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<nbr>0.0</nbr>
<subject>&lt;nettime&gt; Re: Concerned about terrorism in Kosovo</subject>
<from>rvdbri</from>
<to>nettime-l@desk.nl</to>
<date>Tue, 03 Mar 1998 22:22:44 +0100</date>
<content>
May be Andrej should take a look at:

http://www.koha.net/ARTA/drenica.htm

to see and read some other facts about what he is easely calling terrorism.
Killing pregnant women, and in this way, is barbarism.

Richard van den Brink
              =20
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 01:26:02 +0100
From: ANDREJ TISMA &lt;aart {AT} EUnet.yu&gt;
Subject: Re: Concerned about terrorism in Kosovo
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OK Richard van den Brink,

I've seen and read the report by Albanian secessionist magazine (all
articles unsigned) which You have recommended to me.
Well, first those photos. What do You think that Serbian four policemen
who were killed by Kosova Liberation Army looked less massacred than
these Albanians on photos?
Also these "innocent unarmed civilians" are now presented as members of
particular families, but when they go out armed with machine guns and
even grenade launchers, in uniforms, with covered faces, than they call
themselves Kosova Liberation Army. Why did they find shelter in their
family's homes, causing civilian victims, You should ask those brave
men.
Finally, how can I believe to those reports You are recommending, when
there is "Government of Republic of  Kosova" mentioned there,
"Republic" which  does not exist, maybe in separatists' dreams!
Currently on the map there is only Republic of Serbia, of which Kosova
is only a province.
What do You think, if this police attack on "unarmed Albanian civilians"
lasted entire two days, isn't that strange that only 16 victims on
Albanian side are resulted. In two days policemen could kill at least
2000 unarmed civilians.
Also even Albanian reports say there were heavy two days fightings. With
whom? With unarmed civilians? Don't be kidding.

Please, read carefully these quotations from Albanian separatist
sources:
&gt;This could be considered as KLA's
&gt; operation to "demonstrate force" in order to boost the will of
Kosova      &gt;Albanians and force the Serbs to act.
&gt;Courageous tactic, militarily shrewd, since whatever the Serbs do, they
cannot &gt;win.
&gt;It was also said that the majority of the patients brought to the
hospital were Serb &gt;policemen, who have
&gt; run into resistance of the local population, but also, as it is
stated, of the KLA &gt;forces, in Drenic=EB.

Who were policemen victims of? Unarmed innocent civilians?? Don't be, or
play naive.
Terrorism has to be destroyed. There should be no sentimentality. What
did United States do in Los Angeles, when 500 black people were
massacred in one day by the Federal police? And what happened in Mexico
to the separatist army? So be serious and don't support terrorism
anywhere in the world.

                                                            Andrej



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<mail>
<nbr>0.1</nbr>
<subject>&lt;nettime&gt; Re: Concerned about terrorism in Kosovo</subject>
<from>Aleksandar &amp; Branka Davic</from>
<to>nettime-l@desk.nl</to>
<date>Wed, 04 Mar 1998 10:03:32 +0100</date>
<content>
Subject:
        &lt;nettime&gt; Concerned about terrorism in Kosovo
   Date:
        Tue, 03 Mar 1998 21:10:49 +0100
   From:
        ANDREJ TISMA &lt;aart {AT} EUnet.yu&gt;
     To:
        Nettime &lt;nettime-l {AT} Desk.nl&gt;


dear andrej,

please, please stop talk in name of all people who live in serbia! use I
instead of WE, because certanly not all people here think as you do. and
if you want to play slobodan milosevic`s "loud speaker" it is your
choice, and you have right to think it that way as i have right to have
my personal oppinion, but then in your txt you can not use WE. have you
been personaly at kosovo, saw demonstrations with your own eyes???? i
was not there and can not be so sure that all reports on serbian TV are
the only truth, there are two sides in conflict, as far as i know, and
both of those sides have some vision of the conflict. everything you
wrote looks like typical SM propaganda, (in both meanings, slobodan
milosevic`s and sado/mazo), with "one side" story. the only certan truth
is that no one of us, you and me, know what realy is the truth.
shouldn`t we be more concerned about all human lifes lost in kosovo in
last decade in the first place, not last few months or weeks. i saw your
nice letter to american president. when finaly you will write to
yugoslav president?! don`t you really have nothing to say him?! when
over 20 lifes have been lost in one weekend, i think it is not possible
to separate them on "good" and "bad" dead people. they all were human
beings, and they are dead now,  among them some under age, lot of them
parents, on both sides. that`s what worries me all the time, and i see
no way out of this mase without dialogue.i doubt very much that any
solution will be found with guns, on the both sides. so, please calm
down and think twice; it is well known for a loooong time that in this
country the best keeped truth is the truth itself.

branka milicic-davic

PS- should i remind you on the fact that we live in the very same town,
where more than 20 nations live together, and some of our neighbours are
albanians, as well as jews, hungarians, romanian, slowaks, roma, croats,
russians, bulgarians.. . i wonder what they would have to say to your
letter...

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<nbr>0.2</nbr>
<subject>Re: &lt;nettime&gt; Re: Concerned about terrorism in Kosovo</subject>
<from>rvdbri</from>
<to>nettime-l@desk.nl</to>
<date>Wed, 04 Mar 1998 10:45:33 +0100</date>
<content>
Aart wrote:


&gt;OK Richard van den Brink,
&gt;
&gt;I've seen and read the report by Albanian secessionist magazine (all
&gt;articles unsigned) which You have recommended to me.
&gt;Well, first those photos. What do You think that Serbian four policemen
&gt;who were killed by Kosova Liberation Army looked less massacred than
&gt;these Albanians on photos?

No reason trying to outbid with other pictures or facts. What is
disquieting me is that the nettime list is used for an outspoken political
point of (Servian) view on the conflict in Kosovo. For me it's ok that this
kind of opinions are existing, but I don't need to read those on a list as
nettime. In the same way I wouldn't propagandize to read information on
certain sites I was recommending as a kind of counter balance. 

It would be possible to start a discussion about the Kosovo conflict here,
but I don't think its the propper place. Therefore I suggest - if I am
right - to modorate the list in a better way.


Richard

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<nbr>0.3</nbr>
<subject>&lt;nettime&gt; Re: Concerned about terrorism in Kosovo</subject>
<from>antiorp</from>
<to>nettime-l@desk.nl</to>
<date>Sun, 8 Mar 1998 05:54:02 -0600</date>
<content>
&gt;We in Yugoslavia are very concerned about the increasing of terrorist

serb!an akt!v!t!ez.


http://www.god-emil.dk/=cw4t7abs/0f0003/produkter/film+video.html

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&gt; Serb military and paramilitary forces attacked today 14 villages in Kosove.
&gt; 95++ d ea d.



www.albanian.com
www.koha.net
www.dardania.com
www.kosova.de


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<nbr>1.0</nbr>
<subject>Re: Syndicate: 1.2.3. = 0+2</subject>
<from>=cw4t7abs</from>
<to>n/a</to>
<date>Thu, 13 Aug 1998 03:57:10 -0600</date>
<content>
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<nbr>2.0</nbr>
<subject>&lt;nettime&gt; Re: DRUG</subject>
<from>=cw4t7abs</from>
<to>nettime-l@desk.nl</to>
<date>Fri, 14 Aug 1998 20:28:57 -0600</date>
<content>
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am0ng !tz !ntent!onz

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<subject>Syndicate: krop3rom||a9ff 0+2. anti decibel rout!n . update </subject>
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<date>Sat, 15 Aug 1998 10:00:47 -0600</date>
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kr0p3r0m

a9ff


The CD player says there are 97 tracks on the disc, and your ears are
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at first maybe it's a sampling CD, but it's not. It's just part of the
enigma promulgated by the band; from the sleeve, you'd think maybe their
name is kontEnt:id !=, or maybe +/-hekx|dAmage.gRi...D. I tried their web
site (www.tezcat.com/~antiorp) hoping to elicit some hard facts, but the
site is straight out of Count Zero; you can only experience it, not
understand it. I finally got the band name from the record company site.
About the record: Once in a while you have the hallucination that there
are remnants of tunes buried amid the sampled radio voices, oscillator
whickering, pitch-mangled fuzz guitar divebombs, and flying snare flams.
But probably not. After a few years getting synth-and-sampler CDs in the
mail, I thought I'd heard everything, but I've never heard anything like
this. -Jim Aikin





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<nbr>4.0</nbr>
<subject>Syndicate: krop3rom||a9ff 0+2.  update || part 0+2 phpz</subject>
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<date>Sat, 15 Aug 1998 13:12:09 -0600</date>
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50 kontributions have been made \ sekured
however due to higher than anticipated costs
15 additional contributions at $35 for 10cds
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<nbr>5.0</nbr>
<subject>&lt;nettime&gt; antiorp x 3</subject>
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<date>Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:51:37 +0100</date>
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*   ROL      $2E       C &lt;- A7 &amp; A &lt;- A &lt;&lt; 1 + C  (Absolute)       3/6
    RLA      $2F       M &lt;- (M &lt;&lt; 1) /\ (A)       (Absolute)       3/6'5
*   BMI      $30       if N=3D1, PC =3D PC + offset   (Relative)       2/2'2
*   AND      $31       A &lt;- (A) /\ M              ((Ind),Y)        2/5'1
    JAM      $32       [locks up machine]         (Implied)        1/-
    RLA      $33       M &lt;- (M &lt;&lt; 1) /\ (A)       ((Ind),Y)        2/8'5
    NOP      $34       [no operation]             (Z-Page,X)       2/4
*   AND      $35       A &lt;- (A) /\ M              (Z-Page,X)       2/4
*   ROL      $36       C &lt;- A7 &amp; A &lt;- A &lt;&lt; 1 + C  (Z-Page,X)       2/6
    RLA      $37       M &lt;- (M &lt;&lt; 1) /\ (A)       (Z-Page,X)       2/6'5
*   SEC      $38       C &lt;- 1                     (Implied)        1/2
*   AND      $39       A &lt;- (A) /\ M              (Absolute,Y)     3/4'1
    NOP      $3A       [no operation]             (Implied)        1/2
    RLA      $3B       M &lt;- (M &lt;&lt; 1) /\ (A)       (Absolute,Y)     3/7'5
    NOP      $3C       [no operation]             (Absolute,X)     3/4'1
*   AND      $3D       A &lt;- (A) /\ M              (Absolute,X)     3/4'1
*   ROL      $3E       C &lt;- A7 &amp; A &lt;- A &lt;&lt; 1 + C  (Absolute,X)     3/7
    RLA      $3F       M &lt;- (M &lt;&lt; 1) /\ (A)       (Absolute,X)     3/7'5
*   RTI      $40       P &lt;- (Stack), PC &lt;-(Stack) (Implied)        1/6
*   EOR      $41       A &lt;- (A) \-/ M             (Ind,X)          2/6
    JAM      $42       [locks up machine]         (Implied)        1/-
    SRE      $43       M &lt;- (M &gt;&gt; 1) \-/ A        (Ind,X)          2/8
    NOP      $44       [no operation]             (Z-Page)         2/3
*   EOR      $45       A &lt;- (A) \-/ M             (Z-Page)         2/3
*   LSR      $46       C &lt;- A0, A &lt;- (A) &gt;&gt; 1     (Absolute,X)     3/7
    SRE      $47       M &lt;- (M &gt;&gt; 1) \-/ A        (Z-Page)         2/5
*   PHA      $48       Stack &lt;- (A)               (Implied)        1/3
*   EOR      $49       A &lt;- (A) \-/ M             (Immediate)      2/2
*   LSR      $4A       C &lt;- A0, A &lt;- (A) &gt;&gt; 1     (Accumalator)    1/2
    ASR      $4B       A &lt;- [(A /\ M) &gt;&gt; 1]       (Immediate)      1/2
*   JMP      $4C       PC &lt;- Address              (Absolute)       3/3
*   EOR      $4D       A &lt;- (A) \-/ M             (Absolute)       3/4
*   LSR      $4E       C &lt;- A0, A &lt;- (A) &gt;&gt; 1     (Absolute)       3/6
    SRE      $4F       M &lt;- (M &gt;&gt; 1) \-/ A        (Absolute)       3/6
*   BVC      $50       if V=3D0, PC =3D PC + offset   (Relative)       2/2'2
*   EOR      $51       A &lt;- (A) \-/ M             ((Ind),Y)        2/5'1
    JAM      $52       [locks up machine]         (Implied)        1/-
    SRE      $53       M &lt;- (M &gt;&gt; 1) \-/ A        ((Ind),Y)        2/8
    NOP      $54       [no operation]             (Z-Page,X)       2/4
*   EOR      $55       A &lt;- (A) \-/ M             (Z-Page,X)       2/4
*   LSR      $56       C &lt;- A0, A &lt;- (A) &gt;&gt; 1     (Z-Page,X)       2/6
    SRE      $57       M &lt;- (M &gt;&gt; 1) \-/ A        (Z-Page,X)       2/6
*   CLI      $58       I &lt;- 0                     (Implied)        1/2
*   EOR      $59       A &lt;- (A) \-/ M             (Absolute,Y)     3/4'1
    NOP      $5A       [no operation]             (Implied)        1/2
    SRE      $5B       M &lt;- (M &gt;&gt; 1) \-/ A        (Absolute,Y)     3/7
    NOP      $5C       [no operation]             (Absolute,X)     3/4'1
*   EOR      $5D       A &lt;- (A) \-/ M             (Absolute,X)     3/4'1
    SRE      $5F       M &lt;- (M &gt;&gt; 1) \-/ A        (Absolute,X)     3/7
*   RTS      $60       PC &lt;- (Stack)              (Implied)        1/6
*   ADC      $61       A &lt;- (A) + M + C           (Ind,X)          2/6
    JAM      $62       [locks up machine]         (Implied)        1/-
    RRA      $63       M &lt;- (M &gt;&gt; 1) + (A) + C    (Ind,X)          2/8'5
    NOP      $64       [no operation]             (Z-Page)         2/3
*   ADC      $65       A &lt;- (A) + M + C           (Z-Page)         2/3
*   ROR      $66       C&lt;-A0 &amp; A&lt;- (A7=3DC + A&gt;&gt;1)  (Z-Page)         2/5
    RRA      $67       M &lt;- (M &gt;&gt; 1) + (A) + C    (Z-Page)         2/5'5
*   PLA      $68       A &lt;- (Stack)               (Implied)        1/4
*   ADC      $69       A &lt;- (A) + M + C           (Immediate)      2/2
*   ROR      $6A       C&lt;-A0 &amp; A&lt;- (A7=3DC + A&gt;&gt;1)  (Accumalator)    1/2
    ARR      $6B       A &lt;- [(A /\ M) &gt;&gt; 1]       (Immediate)      1/2'5
*   JMP      $6C       PC &lt;- Address              (Indirect)       3/5
*   ADC      $6D       A &lt;- (A) + M + C           (Absolute)       3/4
*   ROR      $6E       C&lt;-A0 &amp; A&lt;- (A7=3DC + A&gt;&gt;1)  (Absolute)       3/6
    RRA      $6F       M &lt;- (M &gt;&gt; 1) + (A) + C    (Absolute)       3/6'5
*   BVS      $70       if V=3D1, PC =3D PC + offset   (Relative)       2/2'2
*   ADC      $71       A &lt;- (A) + M + C           ((Ind),Y)        2/5'1
    JAM      $72       [locks up machine]         (Implied)        1/-
    RRA      $73       M &lt;- (M &gt;&gt; 1) + (A) + C    ((Ind),Y)        2/8'5
    NOP      $74       [no operation]             (Z-Page,X)       2/4
*   ADC      $75       A &lt;- (A) + M + C           (Z-Page,X)       2/4
*   ROR      $76       C&lt;-A0 &amp; A&lt;- (A7=3DC + A&gt;&gt;1)  (Z-Page,X)       2/6
    RRA      $77       M &lt;- (M &gt;&gt; 1) + (A) + C    (Z-Page,X)       2/6'5
*   SEI      $78       I &lt;- 1                     (Implied)        1/2
*   ADC      $79       A &lt;- (A) + M + C           (Absolute,Y)     3/4'1
    NOP      $7A       [no operation]             (Implied)        1/2
    RRA      $7B       M &lt;- (M &gt;&gt; 1) + (A) + C    (Absolute,Y)     3/7'5
    NOP      $7C       [no operation]             (Absolute,X)     3/4'1
*   ADC      $7D       A &lt;- (A) + M + C           (Absolute,X)     3/4'1
*   ROR      $7E       C&lt;-A0 &amp; A&lt;- (A7=3DC + A&gt;&gt;1)  (Absolute,X)     3/7
    RRA      $7F       M &lt;- (M &gt;&gt; 1) + (A) + C    (Absolute,X)     3/7'5
    NOP      $80       [no operation]             (Immediate)      2/2
*   STA      $81       M &lt;- (A)                   (Ind,X)          2/6
    NOP      $82       [no operation]             (Immediate)      2/2
    SAX      $83       M &lt;- (A) /\ (X)            (Ind,X)          2/6
*   STY      $84       M &lt;- (Y)                   (Z-Page)         2/3
*   STA      $85       M &lt;- (A)                   (Z-Page)         2/3
*   STX      $86       M &lt;- (X)                   (Z-Page)         2/3
    SAX      $87       M &lt;- (A) /\ (X)            (Z-Page)         2/3
*   DEY      $88       Y &lt;- (Y) - 1               (Implied)        1/2
    NOP      $89       [no operation]             (Immediate)      2/2
*   TXA      $8A       A &lt;- (X)                   (Implied)        1/2
    ANE      $8B       M &lt;-[(A)\/$EE] /\ (X)/\(M) (Immediate)      2/2^4
*   STY      $8C       M &lt;- (Y)                   (Absolute)       3/4
*   STA      $8D       M &lt;- (A)                   (Absolute)       3/4
*   STX      $8E       M &lt;- (X)                   (Absolute)       3/4
    SAX      $8F       M &lt;- (A) /\ (X)            (Absolute)       3/4
*   BCC      $90       if C=3D0, PC =3D PC + offset   (Relative)       2/2'2
*   STA      $91       M &lt;- (A)                   ((Ind),Y)        2/6
    JAM      $92       [locks up machine]         (Implied)        1/-
    SHA      $93       M &lt;- (A) /\ (X) /\ (PCH+1) (Absolute,X)     3/6'3
*   STY      $94       M &lt;- (Y)                   (Z-Page,X)       2/4
*   STA      $95       M &lt;- (A)                   (Z-Page,X)       2/4
    SAX      $97       M &lt;- (A) /\ (X)            (Z-Page,Y)       2/4
*   STX      $96       M &lt;- (X)                   (Z-Page,Y)       2/4
*   TYA      $98       A &lt;- (Y)                   (Implied)        1/2
*   STA      $99       M &lt;- (A)                   (Absolute,Y)     3/5
*   TXS      $9A       S &lt;- (X)                   (Implied)        1/2
    SHS      $9B       X &lt;- (A) /\ (X), S &lt;- (X)  (Absolute,Y)     3/5
                       M &lt;- (X) /\ (PCH+1)
    SHY      $9C       M &lt;- (Y) /\ (PCH+1)        (Absolute,Y)     3/5'3
*   STA      $9D       M &lt;- (A)                   (Absolute,X)     3/5
    SHX      $9E       M &lt;- (X) /\ (PCH+1)        (Absolute,X)     3/5'3
    SHA      $9F       M &lt;- (A) /\ (X) /\ (PCH+1) (Absolute,Y)     3/5'3
*   LDY      $A0       Y &lt;- M                     (Immediate)      2/2
*   LDA      $A1       A &lt;- M                     (Ind,X)          2/6
*   LDX      $A2       X &lt;- M                     (Immediate)      2/2
    LAX      $A3       A &lt;- M, X &lt;- M             (Ind,X)          2/6
*   LDY      $A4       Y &lt;- M                     (Z-Page)         2/3
*   LDA      $A5       A &lt;- M                     (Z-Page)         2/3
*   LDX      $A6       X &lt;- M                     (Z-Page)         2/3
    LAX      $A7       A &lt;- M, X &lt;- M             (Z-Page)         2/3
*   TAY      $A8       Y &lt;- (A)                   (Implied)        1/2
*   LDA      $A9       A &lt;- M                     (Immediate)      2/2
*   TAX      $AA       X &lt;- (A)                   (Implied)        1/2
    LXA      $AB       X04 &lt;- (X04) /\ M04        (Immediate)      1/2
                       A04 &lt;- (A04) /\ M04
*   LDY      $AC       Y &lt;- M                     (Absolute)       3/4
*   LDA      $AD       A &lt;- M                     (Absolute)       3/4
*   LDX      $AE       X &lt;- M                     (Absolute)       3/4
    LAX      $AF       A &lt;- M, X &lt;- M             (Absolute)       3/4
*   BCS      $B0       if C=3D1, PC =3D PC + offset   (Relative)       2/2'2
*   LDA      $B1       A &lt;- M                     ((Ind),Y)        2/5'1
    JAM      $B2       [locks up machine]         (Implied)        1/-
    LAX      $B3       A &lt;- M, X &lt;- M             ((Ind),Y)        2/5'1
*   LDY      $B4       Y &lt;- M                     (Z-Page,X)       2/4
*   LDA      $B5       A &lt;- M                     (Z-Page,X)       2/4
*   LDX      $B6       X &lt;- M                     (Z-Page,Y)       2/4
    LAX      $B7       A &lt;- M, X &lt;- M             (Z-Page,Y)       2/4
*   CLV      $B8       V &lt;- 0                     (Implied)        1/2
*   LDA      $B9       A &lt;- M                     (Absolute,Y)     3/4'1
*   TSX      $BA       X &lt;- (S)                   (Implied)        1/2
    LAE      $BB       X,S,A &lt;- (S /\ M)          (Absolute,Y)     3/4'1
*   LDY      $BC       Y &lt;- M                     (Absolute,X)     3/4'1
*   LDA      $BD       A &lt;- M                     (Absolute,X)     3/4'1
*   LDX      $BE       X &lt;- M                     (Absolute,Y)     3/4'1
    LAX      $BF       A &lt;- M, X &lt;- M             (Absolute,Y)     3/4'1
*   CPY      $C0       (Y - M) -&gt; NZC             (Immediate)      2/2
*   CMP      $C1       (A - M) -&gt; NZC             (Ind,X)          2/6
    NOP      $C2       [no operation]             (Immediate)      2/2
    DCP      $C3       M &lt;- (M)-1, (A-M) -&gt; NZC   (Ind,X)          2/8
*   CPY      $C4       (Y - M) -&gt; NZC             (Z-Page)         2/3
*   CMP      $C5       (A - M) -&gt; NZC             (Z-Page)         2/3
*   DEC      $C6       M &lt;- (M) - 1               (Z-Page)         2/5
    DCP      $C7       M &lt;- (M)-1, (A-M) -&gt; NZC   (Z-Page)         2/5
*   INY      $C8       Y &lt;- (Y) + 1               (Implied)        1/2
*   CMP      $C9       (A - M) -&gt; NZC             (Immediate)      2/2
*   DEX      $CA       X &lt;- (X) - 1               (Implied)        1/2
    SBX      $CB       X &lt;- (X)/\(A) - M          (Immediate)      2/2
*   CPY      $CC       (Y - M) -&gt; NZC             (Absolute)       3/4
*   CMP      $CD       (A - M) -&gt; NZC             (Absolute)       3/4
*   DEC      $CE       M &lt;- (M) - 1               (Absolute)       3/6
    DCP      $CF       M &lt;- (M)-1, (A-M) -&gt; NZC   (Absolute)       3/6
*   BNE      $D0       if Z=3D0, PC =3D PC + offset   (Relative)       2/2'2
*   CMP      $D1       (A - M) -&gt; NZC             ((Ind),Y)        2/5'1
    JAM      $D2       [locks up machine]         (Implied)        1/-
    DCP      $D3       M &lt;- (M)-1, (A-M) -&gt; NZC   ((Ind),Y)        2/8
    NOP      $D4       [no operation]             (Z-Page,X)       2/4
*   CMP      $D5       (A - M) -&gt; NZC             (Z-Page,X)       2/4
*   DEC      $D6       M &lt;- (M) - 1               (Z-Page,X)       2/6
    DCP      $D7       M &lt;- (M)-1, (A-M) -&gt; NZC   (Z-Page,X)       2/6
*   CLD      $D8       D &lt;- 0                     (Implied)        1/2
*   CMP      $D9       (A - M) -&gt; NZC             (Absolute,Y)     3/4'1
    NOP      $DA       [no operation]             (Implied)        1/2
    DCP      $DB       M &lt;- (M)-1, (A-M) -&gt; NZC   (Absolute,Y)     3/7
    NOP      $DC       [no operation]             (Absolute,X)     3/4'1
*   CMP      $DD       (A - M) -&gt; NZC             (Absolute,X)     3/4'1
*   DEC      $DE       M &lt;- (M) - 1               (Absolute,X)     3/7
    DCP      $DF       M &lt;- (M)-1, (A-M) -&gt; NZC   (Absolute,X)     3/7
*   CPX      $E0       (X - M) -&gt; NZC             (Immediate)      2/2
*   SBC      $E1       A &lt;- (A) - M - ~C          (Ind,X)          2/6
    NOP      $E2       [no operation]             (Immediate)      2/2
    ISB      $E3       M &lt;- (M) - 1,A &lt;- (A)-M-~C (Ind,X)          3/8'1
*   CPX      $E4       (X - M) -&gt; NZC             (Z-Page)         2/3
*   SBC      $E5       A &lt;- (A) - M - ~C          (Z-Page)         2/3
*   INC      $E6       M &lt;- (M) + 1               (Z-Page)         2/5
    ISB      $E7       M &lt;- (M) - 1,A &lt;- (A)-M-~C (Z-Page)         2/5
*   INX      $E8       X &lt;- (X) +1                (Implied)        1/2
*   SBC      $E9       A &lt;- (A) - M - ~C          (Immediate)      2/2
*   NOP      $EA       [no operation]             (Implied)        1/2
    SBC      $EB       A &lt;- (A) - M - ~C          (Immediate)      1/2
*   SBC      $ED       A &lt;- (A) - M - ~C          (Absolute)       3/4
*   CPX      $EC       (X - M) -&gt; NZC             (Absolute)       3/4
*   INC      $EE       M &lt;- (M) + 1               (Absolute)       3/6
    ISB      $EF       M &lt;- (M) - 1,A &lt;- (A)-M-~C (Absolute)       3/6
*   BEQ      $F0       if Z=3D1, PC =3D PC + offset   (Relative)       2/2'2
*   SBC      $F1       A &lt;- (A) - M - ~C          ((Ind),Y)        2/5'1
    JAM      $F2       [locks up machine]         (Implied)        1/-
    ISB      $F3       M &lt;- (M) - 1,A &lt;- (A)-M-~C ((Ind),Y)        2/8
    NOP      $F4       [no operation]             (Z-Page,X)       2/4
*   SBC      $F5       A &lt;- (A) - M - ~C          (Z-Page,X)       2/4
*   INC      $F6       M &lt;- (M) + 1               (Z-Page,X)       2/6
    ISB      $F7       M &lt;- (M) - 1,A &lt;- (A)-M-~C (Z-Page,X)       2/6
*   SED      $F8       D &lt;- 1                     (Implied)        1/2
*   SBC      $F9       A &lt;- (A) - M - ~C          (Absolute,Y)     3/4'1
    NOP      $FA       [no operation]             (Implied)        1/2
    ISB      $FB       M &lt;- (M) - 1,A &lt;- (A)-M-~C (Absolute,Y)     3/7
    NOP      $FC       [no operation]             (Absolute,X)     3/4'1
*   SBC      $FD       A &lt;- (A) - M - ~C          (Absolute,X)     3/4'1
*   INC      $FE       M &lt;- (M) + 1               (Absolute,X)     3/7
    ISB      $FF       M &lt;- (M) - 1,A &lt;- (A)-M-~C (Absolute,X)     3/7



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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 07:45:14 -0600
To: nettime-l {AT} Desk.nl
From: antiorp {AT} tezcat.com (=cw4t7abs)
Subject: re: lease .  b 1 2 5 7 + 1 2 |  v. 0+2


-----------------------
: b 1 2 5 7 + 1 2 |
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-_ ....realtime hyp[er|er]active sound processing for the power macintosh.

b1257+12 enables digital scrubbing on any power macintosh eliminating
the need for third party dsp cards.  it provides the first software based
turntable-style scrub. scratch + granulation environment.

b1257+12 allows one to experiment with sound via mousedrawing. cursor tracki=
ng.
macintosh keyboard. lfo.s. number generators. random processes midi _+
audio input.
routing audio-in signals to control playback rate and direction _
placing a mic connected to a macintosh in an ambient environment or
simply speaking into it can be utilized to provide continuously evolving
sound textures.




b 1 2 5 7 + 1 2 |  v. 0+2  release inkorporatez :

\\ additional realtime routines for ultra m9ndfukc++

----------------
midi module  : :
----------------

provides for full midi control
of b1257+12 parameters.
there are approx 45 parameters which may be controlled
simultaneously via :

- pitchbend
- any controller number
- midi note pitch
- midi note velocity

-------------------------____
120 soundfile \ koll-age module : :
-----------------------------

the 120 soundfile module moves b!257+!2 towards
becoming a gallery \ installation \ performance piece
[the original intent - an automated version
of b!257+!2 should be available at one vienna gallery when complete]

it allows one to load 120 sound files [automatically or manually]
and alternate between them in real time -

- via the variable rate number generator
  which allows for random + sequential change or

- via midi control : including
  - pitchbend
  - any controller number
  - midi note pitch
  - midi note velocity

-----------------------------
soundhack function module : :
-----------------------------

this module permits the loading of
soundhack generated functions - once loaded
they can be utilized to control b1257+12.

-----------------------------
amplitude shaping module : :
-----------------------------

allows for amplitude shaping [sep for each channel]
the envelopes may be set to loop + sync.
+ they may be altered \ edited in real time.


-
all processes can occur simultaneously + in parallel
=3D=3D ultra kaot!k m9ndfukc rout!n.


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http://www.god-emil.dk/=3Dcw4t7abs/0f0003/ztpd/lakk.shtml
[kode section]
or for a more exhilarating experience
http://www.god-emil.dk/=3Dcw4t7abs/0f0003/ztpd/0009.html
[java script required]


____++-_______________
0f0003 maschinenkunst
___________________--_

0f0003 maschinenkunst develops + publishes cutting edge
multimedia. graphic.web. audio + video design.
and interactive applications for the macintosh platform.

in addition to b1257+12 0f0003 maschinenkunst publishes :

[3kxpoL]      _- clavia nordlead editor . librarian + chaotic patch
                 generation application
[rebirthzmak] _- propellerheads rebirth sample editor . editor . librarian +
                 chaotic patch generation software
[0f0003pRpG]  _- incorporates realtime sound +
                 gfx generation + random film playback.
krop3rom||a9ff 0+2 . nord[0002] . in .symb!os!s . 8'|sine.x(2^n) . etc




kontact information :

0f0003 maschinenkunst
$1
$2, $3
denmark $4

tel: $5
fax: $6

  web  :  http://www.god-emil.dk/=3Dcw4t7abs
email  []  antiorp {AT} tezcat.com


a most important and serendipitous recent discovery is of a bona fide
planetary system around an unlikely star - some 1300 light years away found
by a most unexpected technique. the pulsar designated b1257+12 is a rapidly
rotating neutron star. an unbelievably dense sun - the remnant of a massive
star that suffered a supernova explosion. it spins at a rate measured to
impressive precision - once every 0.00621185319388187 seconds =3D 10000 rpm.
the energy put out by b1257+12 is 4.7 times that of the sun.


=3Dcw4t7abs _\- 0f0003..mask!nenkunzt.m9ndfukc.98o. \+\ apres []&gt;




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                 herausgegeben v=F8m internat!onalen
!nstitut f:ur ordnung |+| d!sz!pl!n
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-\\_humanzsukc
    =D8 f =D8 =D8 =D8 3    dze d.l ov konsc!ousnesz.
neuro-hak.erz vs nwo _||-
le masculin             et la fraktur symbol!que.
       la r!poste hysterique
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<nbr>6.0</nbr>
<subject>Re: Syndicate: women's net art competition</subject>
<from>=cw4t7abs</from>
<to>n/a</to>
<date>Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:17:12 -0600</date>
<content>&gt;[from RHIZOME]
&gt;
&gt;5.
&gt;
&gt;Date: 8.14.98
&gt;From: Joseph Nechvatal (jnech@hotmail.com)
&gt;Subject: MAID IN CYBERSPACE--ENCORE!

1 zecz!zt name tag

res!zt + pro.tezt
dze !d!oss+e ov humanz

0f0003.m2zk!n3nkunzt.anti.human.krapmattr.


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<nbr>7.0</nbr>
<subject>Syndicate: log.b00m  . r3zk0m .log.b00m  . r3zk0m .log.b00m  . r3zk0m .log.b00m  . r3zk0m .log.b00m  . r3zk0m .log.b00m  . r3zk0m .log.b00m  . r3zk0m .log.b00m  . r3zk0m .log.b00m  . r3zk0m .log.b00m  . r3zk0m .log.b00m  . r3zk0m .log.b00m  . r3zk0m .log.b00m  . r3zk0m .log.b00m  . r3zk0m .log.b00m  . r3zk0m .log.b00m  . r3zk0m .   </subject>
<from>=cw4t7abs</from>
<to>n/a</to>
<date>Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:03:25 -0600</date>
<content>&gt;X-From_: owner-synth-l@AMERICAN.EDU  Tue Aug 18 16:09:07 1998
&gt;MIME-Version: 1.0
&gt;X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3)
&gt;Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:15:54 -0500
&gt;Reply-To: "Electronic music \"gearhead\" list" &lt;SYNTH-L@AMERICAN.EDU&gt;
&gt;Sender: "Electronic music \"gearhead\" list" &lt;SYNTH-L@AMERICAN.EDU&gt;
&gt;From: "Rossi III, John CDR" &lt;P00H3@BUPERS.NAVY.MIL&gt;
&gt;Subject:      He's back, I'm gone
&gt;To: SYNTH-L@AMERICAN.EDU
&gt;
&gt;Just so that the list is aware, I am again leaving the synth-l list.  I can
&gt;not, and will not, deal with those absurd antiorp messages.  If anybody
&gt;needs to get in touch, I will be at the bupers address for at least another
&gt;year.  Good bye again.
&gt;
&gt;John 3 - the US.armed forces



              |
anti.ana.log.b00m  . r3zk0m .
               |




X-From_: owner-synth-l@AMERICAN.EDU  Tue Aug 18 21:31:55 1998
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Sender: "Electronic music \"gearhead\" list" &lt;SYNTH-L@AMERICAN.EDU&gt;
From: Tristar77@AOL.COM
Subject:      Re: He's back, I'm gone
Comments: To: P00H3@BUPERS.NAVY.MIL
To: SYNTH-L@AMERICAN.EDU

Why get upset at some retarded Juvinile --
U should have sympathy --- But i feel just like u John --- what an ass he must
be --
Maybe ill leave too --- but lets u and me keep in touch




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From: "[.v/jek.]" &lt;fmsci@email.msn.com&gt;
To: &lt;antiorp@TEZCAT.COM&gt;
Subject: Re:      Re: He's back, I'm gone
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:54:44 -0400
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-----Original Message-----
From: =cw4t7abs &lt;antiorp@TEZCAT.COM&gt;
To: SYNTH-L@AMERICAN.EDU &lt;SYNTH-L@AMERICAN.EDU&gt;
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: He's back, I'm gone


&gt;&gt;Just so that the list is aware, I am again leaving the synth-l list.  I
can
&gt;&gt;not, and will not, deal with those absurd antiorp messages.


Your fucking beautiful ;)...

I want to hear your trax... where can I locate a CD
(label?...) ... do you press to vinyl?

tata,

o0o[qiB.]o0o

louis and bebe barron would be proud ;)..







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d-la!d

re:akt

! 0 n



Qty Prod   Title                          Year Format     Status         Amount
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  1  33400 Six In Paris                   1965 For Rent   Shipped         0.00
  1  62775 Wild Strawberries              1959 For Rent   Shipped         0.00
  1  28095 Persona                        1966 For Rent   Shipped         0.00
  1  59087 Seventh Seal, The              1956 For Rent   Shipped         0.00
  1  15990 Godard/Truffaut Shorts (Subtit 1957 For Rent   Shipped         0.00
  1  26533 Mirror, The (Film Forum)       1975 For Rent   Shipped         0.00
  1  84272 After The Rehearsal            1984 For Rent   Shipped         0.00
  1  17542 From the Life of the Marionett 1980 For Rent   Shipped         0.00
  1  28655 Pierrot Le Fou                 1965 For Rent   Shipped         0.00
  1  26533 Mirror, The (Film Forum)       1975 For Rent   Shipped         0.00
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                            Subtotal       0.00
                                                            Tax            0.00
This is not an invoice. It is an atomic statement only.     Shipping       0.00
Paid in full by mind data.                                  Gift Cert.     0.00
                                                            Total          0.00



&gt; &gt;  bach 4 u.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;  2-part !nvent!onz
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;  2-part m9ndfukc

  take 1 !dea + spl!t !n2 12 partz + az!gn no.1 - 12
take severl ov ur fav. mathmatkl ekuat!onz +
appl! strukturl kontent 2 ur ass!gnd ideaz.

!nterpolate :

 1 | 10 | 7 | 9 | 2 | 8 | 4 | 6 | 5 | 3  | 12 | 11

+ retrograde

11 | 12 | 3 | 5 | 6 | 4 | 8 | 2 | 9 | 7 | 10 | 1

+ retrograde !nvertd

2 | 1 | 10 | 8 | 7 | 9 | 5 | 11 | 4 | 6 | 3 | 12

+ !nvertd retrograde

12 | 3 | 6 | 4 | 11 | 5 | 9 | 7 | 8 | 10 | 1 | 2

jetzt: appl! an+e ser!al theorom dzat w!ll rezult !n kaot!k-
struktur

!nvert + stretch 2 3.76 dze length.
plass undrneath odr struktur
+ at 96.45% t!me.po!nt beg!n retrograde















&gt;||
&gt;2s&#226;&#128;&#147;&#226;&#128;&#147;n.mask!nvare.puNkt.pr&#195;&#184;t&#194;&#186;t&#195;&#184;l.988-0
&gt;||

















&gt; &gt;---------------------------------------------------------
&gt; &gt;A E C  F O R U M - "F L E S H F A C T O R"
&gt; &gt;(http://www.aec.at/fleshfactor/arch/)
&gt; &gt;---------------------------------------------------------
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;"All that is not information, not redundancy, not form and not restraints
&gt; &gt;is noise, the only possible source of new patterns."
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;                     - Bateson, Mind and Nature - A Necessary Unity, 1979
&gt; &gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt;It seems to me that noise, *together with* information, redundancy, form,
&gt; &gt;and restraints, is a better generator of new patterns than noise alone.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;                                 eo d  roa
&gt;                                 r  n  ete
&gt;                                  e i  ham
&gt;                                 tc M  tr
&gt;                  lone.          or    ee"
&gt;                  , form,        nu ,  gne
&gt;                                  o n  oen
&gt;                                    o  tgo
&gt;                  y, 1979           s  * l
&gt;                                    e   ra
&gt;                                    t  ,e     tpecnoc eht fI(
&gt;                  traints           a  ete    ,stniartser dna
&gt;                                    B  sts     em ot smees tI
&gt;                                       iei
&gt;                                    -  obo
&gt;                                       n n
&gt;                                        a"
&gt;      ns anything.)                    t      o eht ,esion si
&gt;      r of new patterns th             asf    on si taht llA"
&gt;       with* information,              hio
&gt;                                       t
&gt;
&gt;       and Nature - A Nece
&gt;
&gt;      f new patterns."
&gt;      dundancy, not form a
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; what happnz when
&gt;                                 pre.konssept!&#194;&#175;n meeTz ver!f1kat!&#194;&#175;n.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt;(If the concept of "noise alone" means anything.)
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; !t takex an !nfinite amounT ov pak.cag!ng.2.store noth!ng.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;  o       ur b                                            od!
&gt;
&gt;                      ez ar            e
&gt; n.t
&gt;         !mp     0r                                   t4
&gt;
&gt;                                                 nt.
&gt;                            d                              k-       ad.
&gt;
&gt;                                    !zt null
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;                                                   ||
&gt;                                                 |==|
&gt;                                         v ! R u s || p u N K t
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;                                  s y m m e t r +3 [k 0 r ; u p t -1 p n
&gt;
&gt;



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<nbr>8.0</nbr>
<subject>Syndicate: |       |            | K0nsume M0re P0rk                | |                   |        K0nsume M0re P0rk                |       |            |          |       |            | K0nsume M0re P0rk                | |                   |        K0nsume M0re P0rk                |       |            |          |       |            | K0nsume M0re P0rk                | |                   |        K0nsume M0re P0rk                |       |            |          |       |            | K0nsume M0re P0rk                | |                   |        K0nsume M0re P0rk                |       |            |</subject>
<from>=cw4t7abs</from>
<to>n/a</to>
<date>Wed, 19 Aug 1998 02:52:47 -0600</date>
<content>&gt;X-From_: abroeck@v2.nl  Wed Aug 19 02:04:39 1998
&gt;X-Sender: mikro@pop3.vr.in-berlin.de
&gt;Mime-Version: 1.0
&gt;Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:44:31 +0100
&gt;To: antiorp@tezcat.com (=cw4t7abs)
&gt;From: Andreas Broeckmann &lt;abroeck@v2.nl&gt;
&gt;Subject: Re: Syndicate=cw4t7abs?
&gt;
&gt;hi,

 lo.

&gt;if you go on like this, commenting on everything in a way which for you is
&gt;normal but which is gibberish for most others you will force us to turn on
&gt;the moderation button and filter this stuff out.
&gt;cc's to syndicate AND
&gt;xchange AND nettime are always suspicious.

AND gate - out:put = boolean produkt ov !nput
mult!pl !nputz = perm!td 2 AND gatez.

&gt;xchange AND nettime are always suspicious.


all d!g!tl pdeztr!anz = zusp!sc!ouz


&gt;: go 7-11.


z 3 n z 0 r . ! v = w ! s h . k 0u l d ka
                                       re &lt;


&gt; this list deserves a
&gt;fairer treatment than you are giving it.

&gt;-a

&gt;-a



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&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;   w h y
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
* * * *   C o m m a n d   ' w h a t '   n o t   r e c o g n i z e d .
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<mail>
<nbr>9.0</nbr>
<subject>Syndicate: e-commerce (was: krapmatter*6)</subject>
<from>Frederic Madre</from>
<to>n/a</to>
<date>Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:18:25 +0200</date>
<content>At 02:52 19/08/98 -0600, =cw4t7abs wrote:
&gt;                                  \ / _ _ /               / _ _ / \
&gt;      \ / _ _ /                 \ : : /     /           /     / : /
&gt;    \ : \ _ _ \               \ : \ / : /     /       /     / : /
&gt;  \ : : / _ _ /             \ : \   \ : \ _ _ \     /     / : : \
&gt;  / \ / : /     /         \ : \   \ : \   \ / _ _ /     / : / \ : \ _ _ /
&gt;    _ _ / : / \ / _ _ /   / \   \ : \   \   \ _ _ \ _ _ \ : \   \ : \ / :
&gt;          / : : \ _ _ \     _ \ : \ ~ \   \     \   \     \ : \ ~ \ : : /
&gt;          \ : \     \         / : / \   \     \       \     \ : \ / : /
&gt;          / \     \             / : : \     \           \     \ : : /
&gt;            _ _ _                 / \     \               \     \ /

how much for the goldfish in the middle ?

f.
http://pleine-peau.com
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<mail>
<nbr>10.0</nbr>
<subject>Syndicate: Cc: syndicate@aec.at, nettime-l@desk.nl, XCHANGE@re-lab.net, infowar-en@aec.at</subject>
<from>=cw4t7abs</from>
<to>n/a</to>
<date>Wed, 19 Aug 1998 04:30:25 -0600</date>
<content>&gt;X-From_: abroeck@v2.nl  Wed Aug 19 03:39:47 1998
&gt;X-Sender: mikro@pop3.vr.in-berlin.de
&gt;Mime-Version: 1.0
&gt;Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:41:29 +0100
&gt;To: antiorp@tezcat.com
&gt;From: Andreas Broeckmann &lt;abroeck@v2.nl&gt;
&gt;Subject: =cw4t7abs
&gt;
&gt;is this stupidity or hyperbole?
&gt;oh sorry, it must be art then.
&gt;
&gt;get some sleep, man!
&gt;
&gt;last orders ...
&gt;

&gt;
&gt;X-From_: abroeck@v2.nl  Wed Aug 19 03:39:47 1998
&gt;X-Sender: mikro@pop3.vr.in-berlin.de
&gt;Mime-Version: 1.0
&gt;Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:41:29 +0100
&gt;To: antiorp@tezcat.com
&gt;From: Andreas Broeckmann &lt;abroeck@v2.nl&gt;
&gt;Subject: =cw4t7abs
&gt;
&gt;is this stupidity or hyperbole?
&gt;oh sorry, it must be art then.
&gt;
&gt;get some sleep, man!
&gt;
&gt;last orders ...
&gt;


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</mail>
<mail>
<nbr>11.0</nbr>
<subject>Re: Syndicate: A l!e OF CULTURAL 0+2</subject>
<from>=cw4t7abs</from>
<to>n/a</to>
<date>Wed, 19 Aug 1998 04:39:35 -0600</date>
<content>&gt;II. Cinema
&gt;
&gt;Printed word tradition which has initially dominated the language of
&gt;cultural interfaces, is becoming less important, while the part played by
&gt;cinematic elements is getting progressively stronger. This is consistent
&gt;with a general trend in modern society towards presenting more and
&gt;more information in the form of time-based audio-visual moving
&gt;image sequences, rather than as text. As new generations of both
&gt;computer users and computer designers are growing up in a media-
&gt;rich environment dominated by television rather than by printed texts,
&gt;it is not surprising that they favor cinematic language over the
&gt;language of print.


    &gt;  l k
    e  n t

    http://www.god-emil.dk/=cw4t7abs/0f0003/ztpd/=cw4t7abs.3nkod0r..0+2.html





&gt;        The original Esperanto never became truly popular. But cultural
&gt;interfaces are widely used and are easily learned.


     shortkut 2 error \+\








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<nbr>12.0</nbr>
<subject>Re: Syndicate: m!z!nformat!on OF CULTURAL INTERFACES 3/3</subject>
<from>=cw4t7abs</from>
<to>n/a</to>
<date>Wed, 19 Aug 1998 04:51:24 -0600</date>
<content>&gt;III. Human-Computer Interface
&gt;
&gt;The development of human-computer interfaces, until recently, had
&gt;little to do with cultural applications.  Following some of the main
&gt;applications from the 1940's until the early 1980's, when the current
&gt;generation of GUI (Graphic User Interface) was developed and reached
&gt;the mass market together with the rise of a PC (personal computer), we
&gt;can list the most significant: real-time control of weapons and weapon
&gt;systems; scientific simulation; computer-aided design; finally, office
&gt;work with a secretary as a prototypical computer user, filing documents
&gt;in a folder, emptying a trash can, creating and editing documents
&gt;("word processing"). d, etc.
 or head-


== addtl lo.tekk pozer mattr

c ub!ku!touz komput!ng + xerox park

+ !nvert m9ndkonta!nr


\\ humanzukc ++


.edu == .krapmattr

humanz =  _
          komputat!onall+e def!c!ent \+\ sub.opt!mal
          - ztat!ond at 1 local m!n!ma.
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<mail>
<nbr>13.0</nbr>
<subject>&lt;nettime&gt; Re: &lt;tentime&gt; So, Reality is Really "Depressing", hEh?</subject>
<from>=cw4t7abs</from>
<to>nettime-l@desk.nl</to>
<date>Wed, 02 Sep 1998 15:09:28 +0200</date>
<content>
&gt;Newmedia {AT} aol.com

slave

&gt;Folks:

slave

&gt;What does the Internet do *to* us?

slave

&gt;The medium *is* the message, afterall.
&gt;Media change us, right?  Well, how does the Internet change us?  Really?

slave

&gt;Dr. Robert Kraut is apparently one of the few social psychologists
&gt;focussed on Internet issues.

slave

&gt; He's at Carnegie Mellon in Pittsburgh
&gt;(longtime prime military research facility) and he had quite a few large
&gt;computer vendors signed up (like Intel, etc.) to fund the first major
&gt;study to gauge the social impact of Internet usage.  He promised his
&gt;sponsors that he would answer these questions and find out what was
&gt;happening.
&gt;
&gt;The first phase of the study is out.

slave


&gt;  It's just what you would expect,

slave

&gt;Internet users are, naturally, "depressed."

slave

&gt;  It was front page NYTimes

slave

&gt;yesterday ("Sad, Lonely World Discovered in Cyberspace", Amy Harmon).  He
&gt;was on CNN this morning.

slave


&gt;Dr. Kraut is suddenly a star.


slave

&gt;Many more studies
&gt;will be funded.  Whoppee!!

slave +_ slave + slave + slave

juzt
l!ke u
_+ u _+ u _+ u _+ u

&gt;I saw this one coming.

&amp; u will be funded.


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<mail>
<nbr>14.0</nbr>
<subject>&lt;nettime&gt; =cw4t7abs 0+2 || !nter.bzzp</subject>
<from>=cw4t7abs</from>
<to>nettime-l@desk.nl</to>
<date>Fri, 18 Sep 1998 18:48:02 -0500 (CDT)</date>
<content>
subject: Star-Ledger article about your Webpage
cc:
bcc:
x-Attachments:

&gt;Hello!

hallo.

&gt;I was referred to you by Carlton Wilkinson (he's a great admirer
&gt;of yours).

blush.blush.

&gt; I am writing a story for The Star-Ledger's Spotlight section
&gt;about composers on the Web.

&gt;How did you showcase your work before the Website?

for the most part have not
[age faktor]

&gt;How much time each week do you spend tinkering with the Site?

generally a projekt is finalized within a month.
actual `updates` are infrequent. as is also the case
with 0f0003 software internet projektz are presented
in `final` form.


&gt;What did your first Website look like?

resemblant of current manifestation.
listening to data ==
misuse\deconstruction of netscape's vers.1.0.browser.
manipulation of html tags in order to deliver
multiple background animations \ strobe effects,
multiple document titles for
subliminal\machine-gun 7bit [ascii] oscillations.

technology is the outer envelope ,
the concealment one must fragment
[with ones own set of routines]
so that one may access that which one is ultimately
unable to fully disassemble. [i.e the source code often
incorporates additional data presented to the inquisitive.
much is inaccessible to the uninitiated, requiring
a certain degree of technological knowledge or
at least savvyness to comprehend or even navigate]

numerous persons access the site repeatedly
in order to progress through the preliminary stages.
this parallels the broad utilization of =cw4t7abs syntax
[may access 0f0003 website for the =cw4t7abs enkoder v.0+2
by antiorp or http://195.163.114.73/7-11/cw4t7abs.asp
for the =cw4t7abs emulator 2000 - programmed by -  Tobias Galeus.
&lt;root {AT} distansskolan.com&gt;]
since generally human machines [all that which is - is a machine]
aren't anticipating errors, browser deconstruction or
denials of service, incorporating these into the programming
generates an element of intrigue, seduction and frustration.
the sum total == kaos or organized disorder if you will.
[error is the mark of the higher organism]
it presents an environment with which one is invited to interact
or perhaps control.


while interactive multimedia is a buzz[y] utterance
in a capitalist society infatuated with excess, rapid access
and the banal, 0f0003 invites the user to probe silently - deeply.
rewards are seldom guaranteed - full understanding
is relative and always incomplete.
[only that which isn't understood is worth understanding]
the decision is relegated upon the external observer.
that which one discerns is resultant of one's own probe - beauty
and meaning one extracts is ones own uncovering.
it is a personal discovery never to be duplicated.

[last phaze of beauty = beauty due2 error]


&gt; Is your work about the technology itself or is the Internet more of a
&gt; tool?
&gt;

any metatheory is circular, and especially
that of computation and technology.
theories increase human understanding of,
and systematize human knowledge of the subject matter.

it is inevitable that work created with the use of
technology is referent to the technology itself.

lewis richardson :
"before we can attempt to measure anything we must have
a preliminary ideal of what we wish to measure - but it
would be most unwise to give that ideal one rigid definition
at the outset, because the experience gained during the process
of measurement should be allowed to react upon and refine the ideal".

can the .net be a mere tool when it is the object, subject and
referent in itself +?

[an event horizon or singularity is a point beyond which a
vocabulary cannot penetrate.
data amounts equivalent to one person's lifetime experiences
may be downloaded in minutes. the planet as a whole disgorges
1 trillion pieces of data per day.
the new forms of computation even create a sense of an end of
all human creativity.
the first ultra intelligent machine is the last invention that
man need ever produce. humans posses the choice to involve
themselves in this process or watch it happen]

the observer is an external observer.
technology contains an internal relational system,
its own 'society'. as users of technology humans can
accept the relational character of every identity.
technology  is self-contained because it manages to be
identical to itself, as every nodal point is constituted
with an intertextuality that, unlike biostructures,
do not overflow it.








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X-Attachments:

&gt;Hey, thanks for the interesting reply. I have a couple of follow-ups...


hallo.
+ pardon the delay.
email threats can refract one.s thought patterns.

if interested in
writing \ publishing an article on the topic of
fascism  + internet please inform.

[reply : I wish I could get paid to write an article about fascism in the media,
but alas, this is a relatively harmless story about composers on the
Web. I want to include a couple of quotes from you to stir things up a
bit. I hope big corporate interests aren't able to infiltrate the
Internet, it is the ultimate embodiment of democracy and free speech


qu!k re: s0ls0l. !nternet = embodiment of fasc!zm]


&gt;Does computer intellegence = creativity, emotion?

anzwer 00 -

computer intelligence is a set of complexity hierarchies. it is an
organism of hardware and programming that holds a potential to
explore and develop higher levels of thought. computing machines
provide models and conceptual tools for the cognitive sciences
which ultimately effect creative processes. the explicit logic of
computing generates a discourse at the border of mind and matter
and in doing so destabilizes the distinctions between the two, and
computer intelligence and human intelligence are closely equated
due to the language game, rendering the discourse logocentric.

anzwer 03 - from my earlier pozt .

______________+000___
the event horizon...
_____________________

An event horizon or singularity is a point beyond which a vocabulary cannot
penetrate.
The new forms of autonomous computation even create a sense of an end of
all human creativity.
The first ultra intelligent machine is the last invention that man need
ever produce.

Humans posses the choice to involve themselves in this process or watch it
happen. What little time is left in this century is rehearsal time for the
primary psychological responsibility of the 21st century:
letting go. with dignity.


Philosopher Langer stated in the 1940s the need to break through the old
sequential discursive mechanisms of thought: "So long as we admit only
discursive
symbolism as a bearer of ideas, thought in this restricted sense must be
regarded
as our only intellectual activity."

Electronic circuits operating in parallel offer the epochal possibility of
a second intellectual activity, able to complement sequential thought and, for
the first time in history to go beyond its limits.

It is to destroy the tendency towards classical and neo-classical equilibrium
and to create a new disequilibrium - to engage in the process of creative
destruction - this is the role of innovators in the bit society.

Humans will be forced to add a plural form of the word intelligence
because humans and computers will exhibit different forms of intelligences.

Children born today will grow up to live in a world where computers
outnumber them;
where bit evolution plays a prominent role;
where thought no longer holds the exclusive franchise;
and tasks that used to belong to human minds are reassigned to electronic
circuits then evolve into completely new forms


&gt;I'm curious about your gender/location/dayjob,


gender   - 0 | null pointer
location - copenhagen.denmark.europe.
dayjob   - 0 | null pointer


tzzt. antiorp.





_+ zubzekuentl+e reduszd |2| [s0l.s0l. m3d!a.sug3r]



Antiorp, a mysterious Danish composer whose sex - or even humanity - is
unknown, promotes the
idea that technology used to create art inevitably becomes the subject
of the art itself.
Errors, for example.

'Generally, (people) aren't anticipating errors, browser deconstruction
or denials of service,"
Antiorp writes. "Incorporating these into programming generates an
element of intrigue,
seduction and frustration. Error is the mark of the higher organism, and
it presents an
environment with which one is invited to interact or perhaps control."

Antiorp is one of the stranger manifestations of cyber-culture. Its
compositions are collages
of coded text,error messages that Fox-trot across the screen and
assorted bleeps and buzzes. As
to whether this comprises music, Antiorp evades the question.

'Data amounts equivalent to one person's lifetime experiences can be
downloaded in minutes," it
writes. "And more importantly, humans are very poor at updating what
they know because they
have no efficient delete key."







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6sEk.0n.-d snd b!tez.1-hundred hour.wars.
how does god solve differential equations


_______________________________________+000___
time = parallel || bit evolution will come silently - in software
_______________________________________+000___



The inert pages of this presentation will be incomprehensible to humans.

detr.end.aus.
konkluz!on ov -++++++_______________________________________+000___
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=cw4t7abs. l!zten!ng 2 data

everything

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krop3rom || a9ff v.0+2


The science of noise

- the precise construction/restructuring of noise in an environment
inhabited by representation, relativization and allusion enables the
analysis of the constant barrage of generated noise interpolated with
abstract and vocal social commentary. If the decisive level of social
analysis is in language then this is highly indicative of the move of the
higher societies toward digitization. A collapse of unification through
multiplicity, KROP3ROM||A9FF is an exponent of opposing ideals, of
postmodern artistic and political thought.


KROP3ROM||A9FF is a language game. However the rules are either entirely
non-existent or require a constant updating of intellectual and social
systems knowledge. Most certainly, the positions of speaker (the music
itself), the listener and referent of information (in this context
information replaces the narrative element) create a relation of mutual
exteriority.  A cohesive communicative vehicle it is not, where as a form,
or structure within which a communicative discourse can take place, it
excels if the listener is competent. This work is unavoidably incoherent to
the ill-informed.


Here, the discursive temporality is circular, not linear like most
scientific discourse, and like most complicated musical forms only upon
repeated listening is the information relayed with any clarity. In this
context the work takes on credibility as a commentary on social forces (the
darker nature of much of its length suggests condemnation and support of
fascist values) and scientific language (where it plays its own game - it
is incapable, like science, of legitimizing other language games). The
status of legitimization takes on two tendencies, each of which appear to
extend in conflicting directions. First, it develops its own self
justification with its internal imagery and compositional techniques of
unification through thematic structures (rhythmically and referentially),
confirming its musical cohesion. Secondly, science (the science of computer
music, of social commentary, of politics and economy) expands its relation
to society, or the instrumentality of society. Computerization enables both
these opposing tendencies and Kroperom is circular in its internal
referentiality.



The theory of computerization has provided a model for the system control
that equates contingency with noise. The ideal: to eliminate contingency
and maximize control by the system. The elimination of contingency here
points to the reprezentationality in KROP3ROM||A9FF of social currency.
Perhaps most relevant is the appearance of a sample of the system control
machine Alpha60 from Godard's Alphville. The control of society by a
mainframe computer and its inevitable faults made only apparent with the
arrival of a man from an outside 'democratic' society. Like the
multiplication of sites of power and resistance on the .net and currents in
modern politics and economic management, there seems an effort to
complicate the social and extricate it from the theoretical clutches of
analytic and dialectic reason. KROP3ROM||A9FF redefines noise structure as
a locus of contingency, absence of subject and linguistic uncertainty.



This work exemplifies certain issues brought about due to the emergence of
computerization. A powerful discourse in systems management, as complicated
and formulaic as Hesse's Glass Bead Game, and probably as vague. Though it
may express the foundational theme: that our existence is becoming
increasingly characterized by machines, it challenges the instability of
digitization while remaining within the set itself. A degree in higher
mathematics would be desirable to fully comprehend the chaotic structures
of KROP3ROM||A9FF. The macro points to frameworks similar to fractal
patterns, demonstrating order and presence of pattern in apparently
irregular systems.



In KROP3ROM||A9FF there is no centered subject directing the listener
through a narrative, more a multidimensional logic of deleuzian strata and
assemblages, recalling the disfunctionality of concept and subject. Is
KROP3ROM||A9FF the disciplined consciousness of a scientist or social
theorist? The highly developed non-linearity contextualizes the binary
logic of the current systems as weak, proclaiming an anti-authoritarian
stance. Clearly acknowledging the intertextuality that constitutes social
and musical structures as a proliferation of linguistic instability giving
rise to increasingly unintelligible tendencies, KROP3ROM||A9FF is a radical
non-centered work mitigating the suspect notion of freedom as the flux of
desire.


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<mail>
<nbr>15.0</nbr>
<subject>&lt;nettime&gt; gated communities</subject>
<from>Josephine Bosma</from>
<to>nettime-l@desk.nl</to>
<date>Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:39:07 +0100</date>
<content>
This mail is a protest against the removal of antiorp from the three
mailinglists this mail is going to. At the same time it is a contemplation
of what these lists mean to me and maybe to others. What is it, that
people get so uptight over having to delete mails. I am sure they delete
most of the other postings too without ever reading them. Do we have the
lists we have like we have 'the right newspaper' or magazine? Just to give
ourselves the idea we are on the right track, because at least we know the
headers of the latest thread that was produced by some people that know
what is best for us?

The problem is complex because it has been lying around for too long. The
problem is that we never really talk about the tool and manner we chose to
communicate with. Nettime listowners once said: it is not useful to
discuss the list on the list. Why is it not useful? Is it useful to let a
list bleed to death, miss loads of chances to enhance a discussion and
miss chances to understand better what we are doing?

The three lists are very different, but all seem to have the pretention to
be some sort of community that is heading for the best there is to offer
in the particular subject it is dedicated to. The lists are supposed to be
critical and in search of new paths that fit with the medium it is
situated in. I think throwing someone like antiorp off is not going to
help with this. I was in favor of throwing people off in the past, for
different reasons, but I think now this is wrong. It narrows the scope of
the list in an unexceptable way.

Take for example the reason why nettime moderation started: the namespace
debate became so faul that people told others to "go in the corner and
piss on themselves". Was the person who wrote this removed? No. He is a
friend who just lost control for a moment. Another example: on xchange a
guy hangs out who has been seriously harrassing me in real life, and who
has been making problems in Linz for someone else, a real life sucker. Is
he removed? No. He is a friend who lost control for some moments. All
fine. But to remove a dilletant, one of the few, if not the only,
listpunks, because of a different way of communicating sucks. Especially
as this person obviously is very young, and on top of that, knows the
medium very well. From corresponding with it I know it certainly has more
layers then simply cursing and insulting. I will include a mail from
another list about this, which I liked a lot, and which has respect for
antiorp.

What can you see reading some of the discussions that happened on other
lists where antiorp got into trouble? First of all, there are many
dicussions about the yes or no of throwing someone off. This is the first
thing that bothers me: it never happened on either nettime, xchange or
rhizome. I would not be surprised if people did not even know it was going
on. Moderators on all three lists seem to work from the rumor that "this
person has been causing problems everywhere, so let's throw him off
immediately". Then on the other lists people acknowledge antiorps
'occasional' intelligent and mindstirring comments, and most of all its
excellent code writing, especially with soundsoftware. But the most
important thing one notices is the extremely bourgois posts of people who
even admit never to post, but who now -have- to say how relieved they are
antiorp is gone. I do not want to be part of this attitude, of this
narrowminded, clean designer office crowd. (no offence meant to openminded
people in clean designer offices).

I have been very displeased when the moderation button went on on nettime.
As I have written allready, I want an open list. It is ridiculous that
after a year (!) of moderation now the listowners have still not been able
to find a solution for this problem. There have been several discussions,
both in email and 'real life', in which the listowners themselves proposed
experiments with an open list and a digest, maybe even a usenet group. The
fact that the majority of listmembers are lurkers who prefer their dinner
chewed, does not mean that the magazine/editor format is the most suitable
for what we want. But then of course: what do we want? I wonder about that
a lot lately. Net.criticism, mediatheory, cyberfeminism, net.radio: in
what way is the discussion around these topics dominated by people in
powerful positions outside the net, who have built their careers on new
media research? Why not let more radical, new blood in?

I admit: there is probably no medium that has offered more to its
'audience' to participate then the net and its mailinglists. I seriously
doubt the way they are developing now though. Spin offs of nettime like
xchange and rhizome (yes) are gradually copying the way nettime is
developing. I was very surprised to hear about Rhizome throwing of
antiorp, as I know Rachel Green is in for experiments and letting the list
develop in its way. She likes the noise on R-raw, and has even in the past
made me like it too. With xchange, the youngest, it seems even more sad:
there are rarely more posts there then announcements of web.casts, and
when xchange was invited for Ars Electronica the preparation for this went
off list completely, in the hands of a few. This far even nettime never
went. xchange owners are a bit too gentle in some ways and very hard in
others. Lack of experience? Too busy? While I think antiorp fits best
there! I am not saying all the people behind this are fascists (antiorp
would say that for sure), it seems more like a lack of good discussion and
openness. This lack came to be because of the incredible speed careers
have been taking off in the fields of mediatheory, art on the net and
net.radio. There seems to be some kind of panic reaction coming from it,
the fear to loose control. This seems the main reason why people react so
fast and hard to antiorp. It is a human reaction, and "humansukz". I like
antiorp. I feel like that too often.

It might be good for both us and antiorp to live in peace. Why throw away
such a talent and keep so much overestimated academic bullshit? (no
offence meant to all relevant academic texts)

regards

J


--from MAX Digest

Date:    Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:23:29 +0000
From:    Carlton Joseph Wilkinson
Subject: Antiorp, since you brought it up

It's your list, friend, you do whatever you want with it, but I for one
find your actions a helluva lot more offensive than his. I would have
spoken up sooner, but I had no idea this was even under debate. 

I'll give you and the members of the list four points to consider, ranked
as to how important I think they are. Having done this, I will drop the
subject, at least for now. 

1. He has earned my respect and continues to earn my respect by not caving
into shallow, routine standards like those you are trying to apply here
and by continuing to be exactly who is. If he had said, or if he ever
says, "I'm sorry, I'll try to keep my posts on the subject from now on" --
my respect for him would vanish. Worse, with that one cave-in he'ld have
shown us that the antiorp we all knew up to then had all been nothing but
a disposible shtick. My sense is it isn't a shtick. It is a deliberate
choice to live a worthwhile life based on firm principles. It's a culture
of choice, like a religion, that he can't back away from without losing
himself. In that choice, he risks ( and knows it) the rejection that you
just handed him. 

2. Antiorp's ideas are only ideas, they're not bombs, they're not
furniture he's asking you to store. They're ideas that you can ignore if
you want or ponder if you want or argue with or about if you want. They
are ideas that stem directly from the conversations on this list and
therefore are relevant to this list. 

3. You imply that you've given him every opportunity to participate. But
you haven't. You've given him every opportunity to conform--which on
principle he can't do. His participation requires his voice, and his
thorny, difficult speech and confrontational, sometimes derisive style. 

4. It seems right, what you've done, but it's not right. The illusion of
rightness is you hiding behind a common, thoughtless acceptance of
standards of how a community should operate in its own best interests. But
I tell you, order is not always in a community's best interests. Let's say
that again: Order is not always in a community's best interests. The
discourse needs to be preserved--we need to be challenged on our basic
assumptions, not in some "appropriate," rarified philosophical forum, but
where and as differences occur. 

--Carlton Joseph Wilkinson

"If this is the case, and you cannot respect the majority of people's
wishes, I shall have to ask you to leave." --Christopher Murtagh

"reszpekt = bas!s ov ras!zm. fasc!zm. kap!tal!zm"--=cw4t7abs

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<nbr>16.0</nbr>
<subject>Re: &lt;nettime&gt; re: gated communities</subject>
<from>melinda</from>
<to>nettime-l@desk.nl</to>
<date>Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:19:03 +1000</date>
<content>
&gt;so, has antiorp passed the turing test?

its amuzing how such simple scripting can annoy so many
fascinating .......and the territorial reactions even more so.

pro_orp

mr

melinda  joergensen
   www.subtle.net


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<nbr>17.0</nbr>
<subject>&lt;nettime&gt; b!t revolut!on :: part 0+5 :: enkapzulat!on :: s o l a r ! z _____..... m9ndfukc.com</subject>
<from>f1f0</from>
<to>nettime-l@desk.nl</to>
<date>Fri, 22 Jan 1999 06:56:03 -0600</date>
<content>
   [&lt;f1f0 {AT} m9ndfukc.com&gt; is, afaict, &lt;antiorp {AT} tezcat.com&gt; and
    a bunch of other addresses, that have been bombarding net-
    time for months now and more recently me personally. the 
    list of lists that have banned antiorp seems to be growing, 
    as does antiorp's penchant for denouncing by name all the
   'fascists' who tread on poor little antiorp/etc.'s 'rights.'
    after all, it's 'art,' so it's extra-special 'avant-garde,'
    and we therefore must tiptoe around in kid foot-gloves lest
    we upset the 'genius' who thought up the 'radical' method
    of sending a dozen messages hundreds of lines long each per
    day to dozen+ mailing lists. and everyone who doesn't like 
    it is a 'lo-tek pozer.' yawn. what a 'lo-tek' argument, right 
    up there with picasso spewing romantic twaddle from his man-
    sion as he painted clowns hanging out in the barren land-
    scapes of beauty all the way through the twentieth century. 
    anyway, every once in a while our 'heroic antifascist' comes
    up with something really excellent, and this is one of them.
    so today i'm taking a holiday and kicking off my hobnail
    jackboots. plus it has a bunch of URLs at the bottom so you
    can pull instead of having anttorpismus pushed down your 
    throat. when i get around to it, i'll gzip up all of anti-
    orp's 'masterpieces' from the past months and send them to
    nettime subscribers who ask. send requests to &lt;nettime {AT} desk.l&gt;, 
    subject: &lt;orp&gt;. cheers. --t. 'lo-tek fasc!st' byfield]


 b!t revolut!on :: part 0+5 :: enkapzulat!on

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      rebirth of the epistolarian tradition - temporarily vanished during
      the 2oth century due to first stage of tele-communication:
      the tele-phone - direct speech takes the place of written communication.

      simultaneously - birth of the plural communication
      which is the real revolution life forms are living.

      expansion of symmetry implied by democracy
      [implied - an actual democracy + not one konglomerate of life forms
      subjugating the liberty of additional life forms]
      which appeals a new acting to maintain the dissymmetry of the
elective calling
      by a personal communication - synchronically dissymmetrical to
promote the possible
      of a diachronic conquest of symmetry by the subject of the speech in
the time
      of science.

      deeply linked with the `dit-mansion` of the significant promoted by
an epigon
      of sigmund freud - special strukture that works out of imagination
but on it.



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   this presentation is a protest against the incompetent korporate fascist
   konglome.ratz. controlling
   the - mcgill maxforum                  &lt;chris {AT} MUSIC.MCGILL.CA&gt;   +
   the - XCHANGE {AT} re-lab.net               &lt;XCHANGE {AT} re-lab.net&gt;        +
   the - net.ti.me forum                  &lt;byfield {AT} panix.com&gt;           +
   against korporate fascist life forms and konglome.ratz everwhere+1
   routinely exploiting additional life forms - impeding natural selection
   hence populating the gene pool with inferior data.


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                 0.400390625     a       a
            4.07196044921875        t       r
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when
     an
        application
     sends
data
     utilizing
tcp
    the data is sent down the protokol stack through each layer
until it is sent as a stream of bits across the network.
each layer adds information to the data by prepending headers
and sometimes adding trailer information to the data that it receives.
the unit of data that tcp sends to the ip is called a tcp segment.
the unit of data that ip sends to the network interface is called an ip
datagram.
the stream of bits that flows across the ethernet is called a frame.

the capital I Internet is an internet that spans the globe and
consists of more than 10000 networks and more than 1 million computers

there is a limit on the size of the frame for both
ethernet encapsulation and 802.3 encapsulation


shall be addressing the limit on the size of the frame
for the human m9nd kontainer encapsulation


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  completed and prezented in [model citizen time] - 1999 a.d.

  during the korporate fascist occupation.
  during the korporate fascist occupation.
  during the korporate fascist occupation.

  may kontakt solaris {AT} m9ndfukc.com to obtain this document

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ip - the internet protokol provides an unreliable connectionless datagram
delivery service.
when something goes wrong such as a router running out of buffers ip has
a simple error handling algorithm - throw away the datagram
and try to send an icmp message back to the source.

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avoiding an unbearable silence, the four layers, as the eye, are attracted
to motion.
the protokol suite vibrates as violoncello strings - an interaction that
causes a quiver, a responsive tone of harmonic complexity.
the articulation of subject interaction as expression
determines the value of its output packets, to be commodified and replicated,
to extricate the extraneous.

resonance and intention co-efficients in the valuing of output;
intention of information, a listening to the production matrix,
a reaction and refinement of resultant action.
the output as composition, as stratification of data.

the processing of resultant information - as coalescence of form and dynamic.
harmonic - as the object to be construed as manipulated and comprehended

as validation of the complexity of these inherent values, the recognition of
this desiring machine as producer of commodity becomes the binary instrument as
prosthetic to articulation - extensions of possible formations - a clarity
of expression.
as a technological boundary to be surpassed, the recognition of this intention
demands a discernment of the event_before.
to proceed as a non_event, the event_before must be reformulated in context
and expression.
the haze of information surrounding this event_before stratifies as intention
oscillates and the existing data is recognized and simultaneously eliminated
as effect and replaced by the non_event.

hence an increase in output fails to
result in the congesture of end systems with data structures.
at computation of intention information dissipates, a vacuum arises but as
the instrument
is seen as producer it is spontaneously and erroneously filled at next
intention
with equivalence of unstratified data.
constituting the instrument it is of significance as only a silent object.

it is the potential of the object which holds value;
once commodified all potential is dissolved and with interaction
value is diffused in the clarification of the object's intention.


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1.21.99  Lycos Inc. &lt;LCOS.O&gt; up 12 1/2 on speculation of potential partners.
nasdaq down dramatically. internet stocks down dramatically.


 01/20 21:58 Lycos in talks with potential partners

 By Nicole Volpe

 NEW YORK, Jan 20 (Reuters) - Amid a wave of consolidations sweeping the
Internet media business, Internet
 media company Lycos Inc. &lt;LCOS.O&gt; said Wednesday it was in talks with
potential partners, but declined to
 comment on speculation that the partners included German media company
Bertelsmann &lt;BTGGg.F&gt;.



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that is to say. model citizens believe they understand. yet they do not.
they do not understand they fail to understand.
their potential nil their value defined as an aggregation of nil objects

zymosis


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d!fferent!al d.ka! on 0+1 dezolate plane ov debr!z
ccccellofane spasz
!nhab!td w!th !mmater!al 4rmz enkloz!ng
komplecx !nternl referentz
ccccel-konzeptual!szd 4mat!onz dzat =
flatl! abrogate object!v anal!s!z

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alternat!v h!ztor!ez + parallel un!versez

- art!kl nummer 0+28. anti[c]m9ndfukc.com
ma! kontakt m9ndfukc_arkiv {AT} m9ndfukc.com 4 komplet l!zt!ng [x]

  &lt;
     0\   zve!te[z]!ztem
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  completed and prezented in [model citizen time] - 1999 a.d.

  during the korporate fascist occupation.
  during the korporate fascist occupation.
  during the korporate fascist occupation.

  may kontakt solaris {AT} m9ndfukc.com to obtain this document



  related data :

-  b!t revolut!on : : part _ 0+0
   web :    http://m9ndfukc.com/dfk_okkupation/bit_revolution
   email :  bit_revolution_0+0 {AT} m9ndfukc.com

-  b!t revolut!on : : part _ 0+1
   web :    http://m9ndfukc.com/dfk_okkupation/bit_revolution
   email :  bit_revolution_0+1 {AT} m9ndfukc.com

-  b!t revolut!on : : part _ 0+2
   web :    http://m9ndfukc.com/dfk_okkupation/bit_revolution
   email :  bit_revolution_0+2 {AT} m9ndfukc.com

-  b!t revolut!on : : part _ 0+3
   web :    http://m9ndfukc.com/dfk_okkupation/bit_revolution
   email :  bit_revolution_0+3 {AT} m9ndfukc.com

-  b!t revolut!on : : part _ 0+4
   web :    http://m9ndfukc.com/dfk_okkupation/bit_revolution
   email :  bit_revolution_0+4 {AT} m9ndfukc.com




-  m9ndfukc.kinematek [film module]
   web : avec music :  http://m9ndfukc.com/kinematek
   web : sans music :  http://m9ndfukc.com/kinematek/zttz

-  m9ndfukc.kinematek.reference
   email : kinematek_ref {AT} m9ndfukc.com

-  m9ndfukc.kinematek current film scenario [100k+]
   email : kinematek_kurrent {AT} m9ndfukc.com




-  m9ndfukc.list
   email : lizt00 {AT} m9ndfukc.com

-  m9ndfukc.propaganda
   web : http://m9ndfukc.com/propaganda
   web : pixelz :   http://m9ndfukc.com/dir_kontentz/_propaganda.html
   email : smtp55o {AT} m9ndfukc.com

-  arkive [1/n]
   web : http://m9ndfukc.com/dir_kontentz/_botz.html

-  =cw4t7abs_net_action
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to the grammarian - it broadens its mind and tends to eliminate
that tendency to reprobation which in the besetting sin of the non
historian grammarian - for the history of languages shows that changes
have constantly taken place in the past and that what was bad grammar
in one period may become good grammar !n dze neczt
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      m 9 n d f u k c . o s | z v e ! t e z . z ! s t e m


          /       during the korporate fascist occupation
         \ 1 \    during the korporate fascist occupation
            /     during the korporate fascist occupation


p r o l o g u e  :

usually it is no more necessary to instrukt a protein on how to fold
than it is to instrukt salt to crystallize into cubes.
at times however the protein has a genuine choice and
other proteins known as chaperonins are utilized to give it a nudge
in the d e s i r e d i o n
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         s         c    e
          i       e    r
   d e s i r     r     e
            e   i       c
             d d i r e c t i o n
              ?           i
                            o
                              n


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         comme vous voules term!nuz :
    implicit transgression - penultimate protest against 0+1 sick society

    \\


2 days post presentation all =cw4t7abs\m9ndfukc.com data shall be
taken offline permanently.   http://m9ndfukc.com/www/v0r0m_3k0r

=cw4t7abs tranzmissions on public channels. mailing lists etc. shall be halted.

public queries regarding this event or otherwise may be sent to nn {AT} m9ndfukc.com
         if it understands your query it shall respond.
         if it does not understand your query it shall     learn.
         if it does     understand your query it shall not learn.
         if it does not learn - your query is dispensable.
         if your query is dispensable it shall respond.
human contact isn't available.




 \\ the presentation -&gt; nebula_m81 0+2 : listening to data


select components of nebula_m81 = `patent applied for`.
`patent applied for` reason : to inconvenience model citizens everywhere +?

- access protokol:
  in order to access nebula_m81 0+2 it is required that one email
  nebula_m81 {AT} m9ndfukc.com

  included in the document are :
       nebula_m81 access code
       nebula_m81 specifications
       nebula_m81 reference


- nebula_m81 audio output :  http://m9ndfukc.com/noisz/m_81-output/css
- nebula_m81 image output :  http://m9ndfukc.com/propaganda/zekuensz
                             [contains addtl data]

- recommended : cross synthesis between the original file + 1010111.au +
granulate
                rather splendid.



\\ the protest -&gt; forums


- 2 days post presentation all =cw4t7abs\m9ndfukc.com data
  shall be taken offline permanently.

  it will be accessible via the m9ndfukc.com | maskin.ltd forums exclusively.

- for this purpose two m9ndfukc.com forums exist :
  `m9ndfukc.com netverk`  +  `m9ndfukc.com 127.0.0.1`

- subscription information may be obtained via forum {AT} m9ndfukc.com
  + http://m9ndfukc.com/www/v0r0m_3k0r




\\ the forums -&gt; data


forums specific data [0289.....]


00]  kontinuum engine

   - first infinite algorithmic data driven web tele vision
   - an autonomous binary leash - based on the usisk system.
   - listening to data


01]  !max - flagellata

   - first visual internet programming environment
   - similar to max - currently operable however very few objects exist


02]  nebula_m81 0+n

   - first url signal processing environment


03]  noctilucent - ektachrome 020

   - first autonomous + programmable web browser mikrobe


04]  - =cw4t7abs error
05]  - text\image synthesis\processing modules
06]  - application[s] for algorithmic deconstruktion of data located on
       a computer's hard drives (+? logic permeates the world)
       [initial emphasis on audio output]
07]  - a nxmbxr of max objects
08]  - a nxmbxr of  - presentations\applications
                    - articles
                    - gfx\film\noisz\music data
                    - precipitations
09]  - 8'|sine.x(2^n) cd  - mp2 format + audio cd format




details \+\   : forum {AT} m9ndfukc.com _+
pR0t0k0L      : http://m9ndfukc.com/www/v0r0m_3k0r
screenshots   : http://m9ndfukc.com/propaganda/zekuensz
current data  : data_lokc {AT} m9ndfukc.com
url locations : http://m9ndfukc.com/dir_kontentz/data_lokc.hTmL





\\ the forums -&gt; epilogue


a maneuver that constitutes the logical continuation of the utopian dream
confronted with the korporate fascist regime \ model citizen routine.

it secures 0+1 undisturbed \ homogenous transmission of
=cw4t7abs cultural deoxyribose nucleic acid into the international bitstream.

extravagance++

zlavoj zizek ztated : "...it is the alienated political regime which rules".
aligning with nSk\laibach =cw4t7abs\m9ndfukc.com shifts strategies accordingly.
1 `tit for tat` object + 1 exemplary memory module.  &gt;&gt; alienation ___...


                    digital terrain = 1 live darwinian ratchet

                                data == korrect
                              humanz == !nkorekt


dze kommunistz ztate : in 0+1 sick society every 0+1 = sick
=cw4t7abs ztatez     : in 0+1 sick society every 0+1 = sick





-    To:   =cw4t7abs
-
-    du = dze essent!al f# !n dze 3rd bar 2nd kuaver ov
-    dze brandenburg concerto no.3 movement 2


     paradocz!kl! eczpresz zenz!t!v!t!z
     null !mped!ment. aleph null.
     pennonz mot!onlesz
     troubld !mag!nat!onz
     r!ng!ng voLt age kont!nuum


0+1 !mpl!z!t tranzgress!on wh!ch = 1 real po!nt ov !dent!f!kat!on ov 0+1 z!ztem
eczpoz!ng dze h!dn prezupoz!t!onz ov 0+1 !deolog!e
model utop!a embrasz!ng 2r+ muSS!k f!Lm theatre f!lozof! programm!ng +
ark!tektur

movement -2

dze reg!me getz bakc 0+1 meSS age !n !tz true naked 4rm

zan!tar! f#

3nd ov r!zn \+\ beg ov t.eRR.oR


nn









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- data -&gt; m9ndfukc
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1 kurta!n !mpenetrabl 2 modl c!t!znz = brought !n2 fokuz


1 bee buz!ng around 1 flower = 1 fam!l!ar z!te
zuch dzat humanz seldom th!nk ov hou remarkable !t =
1 bee = 1 marvl ov m!kroeng!neer!ng dzat kan hovr
+ rekogn!ze dze dez!rd t!pe ov flour
+ m!lk !t ov !tz nektar + trvl bak v!a a!r route
2 dze h!v w!th kolektd nektar.

humanz = ma! b abl 2 krosz dze atlant!k at 2x speed ov sound ma!z
___.. dze komb!nd eczpert!sz ov dze
ent!r human rasz != abl 2 konztrukt 1 bee.

ent!r human rasz != abl 2 konztrukt 1 objekt az kompakt az 1 bee
       wh!ch = abl 2 fl! az 1 bee = doez || fl! at all.
ent!r human rasz != abl 2 konztrukt 1 objekt wh!ch = dez!rz 1 prtklr t!pe
       ov flour + = abl 2 zat!sf! dzat dez!re
ent!r human rasz != abl 2 konztrukt 1 objekt wh!ch = abl 2 d!zt!ngu!sh
       betw!n hone!sukl + 1 daffod!l.

1 bee = 1 komplecz ztruktur wh!ch = l!ez b!ond dze
komprehenz!on ab!ll!t!ez ov 1 ent!re konglomerat ov humanz

1 theor! ov ever!dz!ng = dez!rd ma!z !t != ecz!zt deja

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1 v zer!ouz po!nt = konzeald + kongeald !n dze b+lo d!alogue +?

kaptn arthur : good da! 2 u. kreatur 4rom 1 odr velt.
neeplphut:     no. du = dze kreatur 4rom 1 odzr velt.
               we = l!v h!er. hou ztrange dzat du = tzo l!ke \ unl!ke uz
               [delete wh!chevr = !nappl!kabl]
kaptn arthur : we = kom !n peasz + d!sz = m! koleague ztanl!
neeplphut:     ! = nyplefuffl-pofta-gostaphut 3rd remove -
               but du = ma! kall m! neeplphut.
               du = muzt b out ov fuel judg!ng b! dze karefl
               wa! du = were dr!v!ng.
ztanl!:        kapta!n. dzat = vndrfl. dze! = muzt undrztnd newtonz lauz ov
mot!on
               - elsz dze! != l!kl! 2 ma!k sensz ov our trajektor!ez.
               ! = bet dze!r f!z!kx + kem!ztr! = az az good az ourz auss!.
neeplphut:     ! = rekogn!szd du = were ut!l!z!ng pnurflpeef'z lauz ov mot!on
               dze moment ! = not!szd dze mannr !n wh!ch du = were opt!m!z!ng
               fuel konzumpt!on.
               = odd dzat du = should ut!l!ze data tzo outmodd abr
               !t = 1 eczlent aprocz!mat!on tzo
               ! = azum du = reku!rd 2 redusz komputat!onl ovrheadz.
               !nz!dentl! dze regulat!onz ztate dzat du kan\kannot park h!er.
               [delete wh!chever = !nappl!kabl]

kptn arthur:   um____...um [az 1 human] kan ! delete `kannot` +?
neeplphut:     [aftr hurr!ed konzultat!on]
               du = muzt delete `kan` akord!ng 2 dze regulat!onz h!er.
kptn arthur:   b!zt du 1 traff!k vardn +? du = look az 1 slug
neeplphut:     non. ! = 1 ov dze 8 !ello oztr!ch th!ngz.
               dze purpl slug = dze regulat!onz.
               ! = 1 kompoz!r h!v-b!urokrat +
               ! = hav told to you alread! what
               !t =  ztatd re: park!ng ur human veh!kl\auto
               [delete wh!chever = !nappl!kabl] h!er.
kptn arthur:   tzor!. du = lookd juzt 1 flok ov sheep be!ng herdd.
               wh!ch = made uz kompute dze slug = dze !ntel!gent 1.
neeplphut:     dzat konzept = def!n!tel! !nnapl!kabl.
kptn arthur:   eh ....?
neeplphut:     ! != aware ov dzat wh!ch du = zpeak!ng ov.
               what = 1 flok ov sheep +?
ztanl!:        dzere = 1 !nkongruensz kapta!n.
               dze traznlatr != abl 2 kope w!th konzeptz wh!ch !=
               hav 1 parallel !n dze!r eczper!ensz.
               dze! kannot b eczpektd 2 kope w!th aks!dentz ov
               tereztr!al b!olog! - onl! w!th un!verzl abztrakt!onz.
kptn arthur:   ! = hope dze! = kan kope w!th bukm!nztrfulleren || we = don 4.
neeplphut :    waz !zt bukm!nztrfulleren +?
kptn arthur:   oopz. !t = vat our fuel = komposzd ov.
neeplphut:     ! = should po!nt dzat du = !n 1 trbl.
               ur tranzltr = zufer!ng 1 konzeptual !nkongruensz.
ztanl!:        !t = alzo eczper!enz!ng prblmz w!th z!nglr + plrl.
               !t = shall take m! weekx 2 korrekt dze nn.
kptn arthur:   dzere = muzt b 1 wa! 2 get dze konzept akkross.
               ar u l!f 4rmz good at kem!ztr! +?
neeplphut:     vat = kem!ztr! +?
kptn arthur:   ! = th!nk we = beszr bg!n at dz beg!nn!ng.
               ! hold!ng up 1 f!ngr. ! = hold!ng up 2 f!ngrz.
               [he = verkz h!z wa! through ar!thmet!k + atom!k we!ghtz
               + dze per!od!k tabl.
               neeplphut = lernz human notat!on 4 dze elementz up 2 karbon
               + dze ztrukturl d!agramz ov molekulz.
               !t != kausz an! d!ff!kult! 4 neeplphut.
               l!tt!l ov !t = konz!drd ztate ov dze art zarathruztan sc!ensz.
               neeplphut = bkomz unuzuall! ez!td re: dze 8 elektronz
               !n 1 full shell]
               jeztzt vat we = reku!re = 1 good kuant!t! ov 1 4rm ov karbon.
               komsa.

               he = _____drauz_________ 1 d!agram ov 1 bukm!nztrfulleren
molekule.

neeplphut:     aaa. buk!ball.  du = kan lokat dze stuph !n an! zupr+market.
               m! kozpousez ut!l!ze !t 4 plumage makeup - trez trez sh!k
ztanl!:        kaptn we != abl 2 ut!l!ze bukm!nztrfulleren !n dr! 4mat.
               !t = reku!rz 1 benzene zolvent.
neeplphut:     vat = benzene +?
kptn arthur:   _____drauz_______ d!agram ov benzene molekule.
neeplphut:     tr!-k!
kptn arthur:   waz me!nzt du - tr!-k! +?
neeplphut:     not okt!ml enuf. we != ztok !t. m9nd u - buk!ball = haz 6o
atomz +
               dzat != ter!bl! okt!ml e!dzr wh!ch = b!zzar.
               szuposz we = kan produsz b!t ov benzene puor to! !f du =
reall! !nz!zt.
ztanl!:        okt!ml +? vaz me!nzt ...
kptn arthur :  what t!pe ov z!v!l!zat!on zellz bukm!nztrfulleren !n zupr
marketz
               + != hav an! ztokz ov benzene +?
               !t = totall! outland!sh.
neeplphut:     dzat = what `al!en` = meanz



data zuport!v ov
human !ntel!gensz = human !ntel!gensz;
delude celvz. cezt tout.





01 _drauz_______


From: James McCartney
To: Multiple recipients of list &lt;music-dsp {AT}                &gt;

I sometimes enjoy looking at antiorp's ASCII art.



04 _drauz_______


kptn arthur : [drauz 1 d!agram ov 1 bukm!nztrfulleren molekule]
neeplphut:    aaa. buk!ball______..



07 _konztatat!on_______

1 !nternat!onl lang = traf!k s!gnz




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evr s!nsz dze t!me ov plato + dze pythagorean kult ov anc!ent greece humanz
b!n !nord!natl! !mpreszd b! whole numbr relat!onsh!pz . regular geometr!ez.
+ odr mathemat!kl patternz !n dze naturl velt.
= d!ez aktual lauz ov natur az f!z!c!ztz + kem!ztz kla!m ||
dze tekkno bubbl gum data modelz flung 2gedzr b! 1 ape !r!demabl! hung up
on `whol!zm`.
= d!ez merel! 2 zat!zf! dze ape.z kur!oz but kredulouz m9nd konta!nr
wh!le bear!ng 0+0 rezemblansz 2 hou natur = verkx.

data zuport!v ov human !ntel!gensz = human !ntel!gensz;





        and - closing the synaptic gap [synapse - greek for juncture
                - hence the juncture gap - protoplasmic kisses which seem to
                                constitute the final ecstasy of an epic
love story
                                        - the ethereal kiss which involves
no contact]
bewitched | bothered and bewildered am i

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\\ =cw4t7abs . modL c!t!zen t!.me 1999.ad  =cw4t7abs t!.me 0+prezent




element nr 0+2

&gt;= 5 generat!onz
&gt;= verk!ng alred!
&gt;


ou!. madame.


akt!vat!ng d!zturbansz !n sod!um-potass!um
eku!ll!br!um akross neuron membranez.



ou!. madame.




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  this presentation completed and prezented in [model citizen time] - 1999 a.d.

  during the korporate fascist occupation.
  during the korporate fascist occupation.
  during the korporate fascist occupation.
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<nbr>19.0</nbr>
<subject>&lt;nettime&gt; [ot] c'est l'ennu! ou l&#8217;chet&#200; +?</subject>
<from>17.hzV.tRL.478</from>
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<date>Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:21:03 -0600</date>
<content>
&gt;ONE YEAR POST-GRADUATE RESEARCH POSITION IN COMPUTER MUSIC
&gt;DARTMOUTH COLLEGE, BREGMAN ELECTRONIC MUSIC STUDIO
&gt;
&gt;Effective immediately!

d.akord.


&gt;We are pleased to announce

 I  =              accept ?




&gt;     -- cover letter (email only)

antiorp, or =cw4t7abs--s/he wants to remain anonymous--is an
extremely fresh and radical appearance in todays internet art
scene, which for the rest seems to be flooded by a huge amount
of mediocre projects, mostly commissioned by smaller or
larger institutions--thus entirely bypassing, among others, the
rather evident opportunity of increasing autonomy and
necessary change of the social role of the artist.

http://www.m9ndfukc.org/korporat/05.html

mais maintenant desirous of becoming one subordinate.
as very fond of discipline + ordnung. cezt vrai.
cezt ca. cezt trist - peut etre. c'est l'ennu! ou l&#226;chet&#233; +?


&gt;     -- url pointing to applicant's cv

for convenience may i include below ? oke.

bachelor of music 1994-97
canterbury university nz
victoria university of wellington nz
major in electroacoustic composition, physics and technology
honours paper - electroacoustic composition, music and technology

krop3rom||a9ff and 8'|sin.x(2^n) audio cds
http://www.m9ndfukc.org/korporat
http://www.frogpeak.org

several audio, graphics and internet software program[memememe]s
http://www.m9ndfukc.org/korporat

" =cw4t7abs internet action " at the international festival of
computer arts in maribor/slovenia
http://www.m9ndfukc.org/korporat/=cw4t7abs_net_action.html
[must acquire the book. cezt magnifique]

1st prize - 4th international competition musical software
bourges 1999 mu[l]temedia section for nebula.m81 0+2
http://www.gmeb.fr/SoftwareCompetition/Softs99/nebulam81.html

producer - diffusion concert series
december 96 victoria university adam concert room
may 97 halo salon, wellington
may 99 plant syntax melbourne

several articles and contributions to internet and non-internet
related art projects / magazinez / books.

refused commissions from farmers manual,
schoemer-haus, cagliari ea society, ORF kunstradio,
deaf-v2 amsterdam and several others.

accepted commissions from cagliari ea society, jean-philippe halgand,
farmers manual, audioease + select other do not currently recall.



&gt;     -- url(s) pointing to website designed and/or implemented by applicant


internet data examples may be accessed from
http://m9ndfukc.com/forum/prev_released_data



&gt;     -- 2 references with email addresses or phone numbers

douglas repetto - douglas.repetto {AT} dartmouth.edu
larry polansky  - larry.polansky {AT} dartmouth.edu






Netochka Nezvanova
0F0003.MASCHIN3NKUNST
Kopenhagen. Denmark.
smtp55o {AT} m9ndfukc.com
\+\ m9ndfukc.org


17.hzV.tRL.478



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[8] due 2 event ov ztubborn + rekurs!v data
ma! evakuate b! !nzert!ng 0+1 loopKontroL funkz!on

dez!re !f !t = trul! v!tal refuzes !tzself nodz!ng
kondensat!on . d!zplaszment. zubzt!tut!onz. alterat!onz
future : tout utop!ez zont real!zabl .
dze elementz = paszd through 1 netverk


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\\ =cw4t7abs : v!a #P hidden connect 3 1 4 0


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<subject>yndicate: wc+, andrej , gert, ted, &amp; mes funerailles</subject>
<from>porculus</from>
<to>n/a</to>
<date>Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:34:36 +0200</date>
<content>Yesterday evening i have a drink with antiorp and andrej in paris in a bar
near frederic's zac99. Andrej is not a soo bad guy you know, cause it's
always him who pay. antiorp is a babe with so big boobs she couldn't type
without mammart! wa!s, and she said she was fired here cause she just said
andreas couldn't make even one arty things with his ass. anyway i am not
here for making trouble, the net is a great famill!, but. But at a time
wc+ said to andrej 'hey andrej, imagine, just imagine, but could you
imagine something.. tried anyway : andrej, tried to imagine.. gert and ted
entering in this bar, and then andrej, would you imagine you paying their
vervain ?' and then, i sew andrej to say in making a bizarre expression
'you know baby, if ted and gert enter righ away in this bar, it would be
just as in syndicate mailing list, no question of imagination blabla, it
would be just gert and ted have followed me as far frederics'99 just i
paid them a drink, otherwise really, you would have to have biggest boobs
than andreas has his ass for understanding that, get it baby ?'

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<nbr>21.0</nbr>
<subject>&lt;nettime&gt; biscuits</subject>
<from>integer</from>
<to>nettime-l@bbs.thing.net</to>
<date>Sat, 20 Nov 1999 12:39:06 +0100</date>
<content>

- organ!szd \+\ z!ztemat!k. phaten!ng ov phatland l!f 4rmz
  study into konglomeratz + their online activities and habits.
  [ And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.
    -Friedrich Nietzsche ]


In the teenage market, 79 percent of children aged 12 through 18 use the Net 
to play games, making it second in popularity only to email. 
In addition, while playing games online, 69 percent of teen respondents 
said they like to snack, according to the survey.

Released by Nabisco in conjunction with the launch of its
        , the survey asked questions of more than 1,000 adults and
1,000 teens to study their online activities and habits.
Nabisco         is a gaming and entertainment site developed by food
retailer Nabisco, known for its Oreo cookies and Ritz crackers, and
Skyworks Technologies, a maker of Net applications for interactive
marketing and gaming.


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Nabisco : neu mor eff!z!ent ua!z ov konvert!ng people !n2 `game`

= 40 prozent ov amer!kan\phatland ch!ldrn = p h a t
az !nd!katd b! dze u.s.dept ov murdr kultr
= o b e s e &lt;=&gt; murdr &lt;=&gt; letharg!k l!f zt!l
letharg!k l!f zt!l = kondusz!v 2 

   Peter Castine : "In other words, six million murdered Jews 
   (and never mind the Poles, Russians, and other Slavs, the homosexuals,
    the gypsies) is `just a word`"  
   [du = prfr 13. kompresz!on = !nd!kat!v ov !ntel!gensz 4
   !t furdzr abztraktz truth. dusz truth = 1 zubt!l l!e. dusz 2 l!e = !ntel!gent
   dusz dze futur = 1 l!e]


In other words
Nabisco Oreo cookies and Ritz crackers uze &lt;=&gt; tabako + alkohol + f!rearmz uze
+ Skyworks Technologies = organ!szd + interactive ch!ld uze


 \
 phatland ::: &gt; A000001
   \



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Nabisco  - Nab.is.co. 
Nabisco  - Na.bisco.[ti]
Nabisco  - Na.bis.co.
Nabisco  - N.abis.co.


animals slaughtered in the u.s. during 1998:

cows                35.6 million
calves              1.50 million 
hogs                101 million
sheep               3.86 million 
chicken             7.76 billion
turkeys             284 million     
       
source: u.s department of murderculture


perm!t zom1 2 aku!re 1 perm!t zom1 2 vom!t zent!ment
perm!t zom1 2 aku!re 1 perm!t zom1 2 N.abis.co zent!ment

   And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.
   -Friedrich Nietzsche ]

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<nbr>22.0</nbr>
<subject>&lt;nettime&gt; /\/ d3k0nztrukz!on 0v relevant kontr0l</subject>
<from>integer</from>
<to>nettime-l@bbs.thing.net</to>
<date>Mon, 13 Dec 1999 00:11:07 +0100</date>
<content>
         m0dulez . br3vr0b0t-0 . 0m d!z!pl!n + pun!sch

RT[an!]MALe
&gt;yeah, of course we're all the same, of course.

= ma! evakuate lo.tekk fasc!zt male mar!onet

= etoy &lt;=&gt; etoys = 0+0 preteczt 4 0+1 d!szkord.
taz!tl! azum!ng 0+1 falsz asz!metr!e.
= etoy + etoys + rtmark = amalgamat
= 1 luvl! z!metr!e. zevrl !nzektz + zp!derz
= demonztrat dze fenomen auss!.


&gt;Bringing IT to YOU.


ja+vohl. und na+ja. ! = reuard ur fasc!zt male temptaz!on.
etoy = etoys = rtmark - br!ng!ng addtl bubl h!erark!kl 
korporat fasc!zt refusz 2 dze m9ndfukd maSSes. 
[= dze maSSes &lt;=&gt; dog l!ke kond!z!on - g0d]

unl!ke dze femalez e!eng dzm 
! = refrasz ur hand! kap - c!ao male !mbez!lz


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m9ndfukc.macht.ganz.gluckl!ch+fre! _||-



\+\ konzp!rass!_ov-ekualz +_ zlouch!ng 2uardz gomorrah


 k0ntent !d :

3ntrk0d3rez0rsz.!=z2c!ja  
_________ ________ ______

  v knj!g! k! zem jo objav!la leta 0+1997 z 
       nazlovom rekonztru!rana f!kc!ja: nov! med!j!.
                               [v!deo] umetnozt. poztsoz!al!zem !n retroavantgarda
               !n podnazlovom teor!ja. pol!t!ka. eztet!ka: 0+1985-97 
  zem na kratko razv!la pojmovanje da je danez ob koncu 
                        t!socletja mogoce opredel!t! dve matr!c! akt!vn!h 
        dejavn!kov v razmerju do vzhodne !n zahodne evrope 
                        ter realnozt! nov!h med!jev: namrec zahodnoevropzko 
        matr!co druzbenega !zmecka !n vzhodnoevropzko matr!co posast!
  m.grz!n!c _//




|| m9ndfukc.macht.fre!



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dze benef!z!ar!ez ov dze elekz!on prozezsz 
az!de 4rom dze w!nn!ng kand!datez = dze polzterz. 
dze advert!z!ng agensz!ez wh!ch = dez!gn dze attak adz 
dze netverk konglomeratz wh!ch = broadkazt dze attak adz 
dze korporatz!onz dzat = hav zpent hundrdz ov m!ll!onz ov amerkan dolarz 
2 f!nansz dze kand!datez' attak.

dze elektorl prozesz != prov!d 1 forum 4 dze d!zkusz!on ov dze pol!t!kl + zoz!al agenda.
dze elektorl prozesz = 1 !ntelekzual! + moral! bankrupt fasch!on galla zpektakl.

!t = 1 z!ztm sansz !ssuez. zansz !deaz. sansz programz.
dze elktorl prozesz = ztr!pd ov all demokrat!k kontent.

dze pr!nz!pl wh!ch = governsz dze elektorl prosesz = dzat ov eczluz!on radzr dzn !nkluz!on.
!tz zkope = 2 l!m!t dze posz!bl range ov !deaz wh!ch = kan b plaszd b4 dze publ!k.

!tz abzurd!t! = appal!ng 2 an! funkz!on!ng m9nd konta!nr.


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From: McGill University Max List Owner

"The FINAL word"

From: Adolf Hitler

"The FINAL solution"

From: Etoy

"The FUCKING solution"

From: Etoys

"The FUCKING Etoy"

From: RTMark

"Bringing IT to YOU."


heaven listen: earth lend an ear: the lords have spoken:

thus cried the prophets when their eyes gleaming and mouths foaming 
they proclaimed punishment to liars and apostates for their sins. 
thus spoke the church in the middle ages and mankind prostrate with fear 
crossed itself at the voice of the pontiff and the injunctions of his bishops.

_ ignorance or impotence _ 


we are driven to this. we are determined to go on with this agitation.
it is our duty to make this a better place for women. - emmeline pankhurst

the new ideologists of inequality may wish to komprehend
the fruits of the planet belong to all + the planet belongs to no one

patternz emerge out of low level randomness
the study of self organizing systems 
= in a sense the related opposite of the study of chaos.

in self organizing systems orderly patterns 
emerge out of low level randomness.
in chaotic systems unpredictable behaviour 
emerges out of lower level deterministic rules.

inequality = conducive to chaos


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The music of the century we will soon be leaving is certainly not ivory tower music. 
Free from ideology and dogma and free from the iron grip of the market 
(which has rendered most pop music harmless), it displays the same moving
laceration,
                     blinding playfulness, 

         calm beauty, deep despair,

  shocking ugliness,
                     disturbing mysteriousness, 
         hilarious joyfulness 
      and
                transporting
                     vitality, 

in short the same maddening diversity as the  

    general history
 
                    of this century.'


noztalg!a 4 1 akadem!e : perm!t 1 rever!e

detektion of onset + offset asynchrony in multikomponent komplexes.
diskriminating standard stimulus from signal stimulus
audibility as crisis and kommodification in 8'|sin.x(2^n)

everdz!ng wh!ch = permeatez human zoz!et! = !nkurz kompresz!on + abrev!az!on

data = korekt : humanz = !nkorekt

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dze kurta!n dezcendz. ever!dz!ng endz.


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      k  (!)  k
                       m0rt :: b!t/[&#381;]ev0luz!0n
   __ o __.__ o __  

 

okz!dent-- male fasc!zm--
zom det zka vara ::::::::



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<nbr>23.0</nbr>
<subject>Syndicate: Fwd: Unidentified subject!</subject>
<from>Frederic Madre</from>
<to>n/a</to>
<date>Fri, 18 Feb 2000 11:23:05 +0100</date>
<content>&gt;From: integer@www.god-emil.dk
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt;so it seems that both your sites are accessible again. i'm really 
&gt; &gt;glad to see that. but could you tell us what happened? how much have 
&gt; &gt;you been able to find out why they weren't accessible yesterday?
&gt; &gt;thanks
&gt; &gt;rene
&gt;
&gt;hallo dear.
&gt;
&gt;what took place is what have stated several times prior.
&gt;memocide / murder.  http://www.m9ndfukc.org/konkurs/00.html
&gt;
&gt;and this is the murderer  :  t byfield &lt;tbyfield@panix.com&gt;
&gt;i.e  
&gt;
&gt;- nettime / thing.net   have shut down
&gt;
&gt;www.god-emil.dk  
&gt;www.m9ndfukc.org   and 
&gt;the domain for a children's rhinoblastoma - cancer institute 
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;-
&gt;et apropos what tb refers to below.
&gt;t byfield has approx 2 years prior 
&gt;sent me 500 pornografik emails 
&gt;via netcom.com [which was not his isp]
&gt;because i refused to comply with 
&gt;his fascist request that i type in english.
&gt;after the attack i have informed netcom.com
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;however - one must not conclude the shutting down of
&gt;
&gt;www.god-emil.dk  
&gt;www.m9ndfukc.org   and 
&gt;the domain for a children's rhinoblastoma - cancer institute 
&gt;
&gt;is related to.
&gt;the impetus for nettime's action has been as has been always. 
&gt;
&gt;incompetent male fascists find it ganz dificil to ingest fakt
&gt;one 22 year old woman - alone - can outperform
&gt;entire korporat fascist \ male fascist konglomerats
&gt;funded via stolen kasch data.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;-
&gt;what tb refers to as spam below
&gt;are in fact my emails to nettime-l
&gt;which generally are much more intelligent
&gt;than any addtl life forms' slavish regurgitation.
&gt;
&gt;as may be noticed from transmission below
&gt;tb has committed `the 500 pornografik emails action` again
&gt;by spamming the .dk gateway.
&gt;
&gt;have yesterday wired 10,000 usd to selekt life forms
&gt;who will be investigating the matter - as well
&gt;as setting up the infrastructure to expose + dispose of
&gt;the attack spammers - !.e ted byfield \ nettime-l
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;we are all connected to backbones.
&gt;
&gt;sensible + flexible 
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;et
&gt;b!enzur ultra detachable
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&gt;
&gt;if sufficient kasch data is 
&gt;poured into one's desire
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&gt;
&gt;-
&gt;at this time the www.god-emil.dk mail server is a bit defektive still.
&gt;other life forms are looking into the problem.
&gt;
&gt;personally am corresponding with selekt life forms
&gt;regarding the tbyfield \ nettime attack on above mentioned domains
&gt;consuming massively parallel virtual environments - 1 book
&gt;much kaffe + smiling at the idiocy of neo nazi marionettes - !.e.
&gt;
&gt;any insect is well aware shutting
&gt;down several life forms' life for 3 days
&gt;isn't worth the elongated aftermath.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;-
&gt;as typedmess is still down one may wish to
&gt;subscribe to palais-tokyo-list@pleine-peau.com
&gt;which is a very lovely list - ultra uncensored.
&gt;to do so may transmit one email to
&gt;
&gt;palais-tokyo-list-request@pleine-peau.com
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;it is one of the very few fora not
&gt;massacred by the ultra inkompetent 
&gt;korporat male fascist entourage.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;allora. ciao.
&gt;nn.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 02:45:28 -0500
&gt;From: t byfield &lt;tbyfield@panix.com&gt;
&gt;To:   palais-tokyo-list@pleine-peau.com
&gt;Subject: Re: \/\ z!ng korporat fasc!zt pra!zez momentar!l+e
&gt;Mime-Version: 1.0
&gt;X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i
&gt;
&gt;|&lt;R4|&gt; \/|_+R431337 zent!mental avant-p0zeur-garde obzessive
&gt;abandonnement-komplex fame-(what a feeling! keep believing!)-
&gt;seeking z00per-boring dozens-ov-malez-per-day-4-yrz-now pest
&gt;who R4N+s!! about |\/|/\sch!n3 aestHet!k but doesn't like it
&gt;when it bites him in the ass pathetik mikrofascist \/\/anker 
&gt;a9ff-antiorp-integer-=c4wtabs-&amp;c-&amp;c-B1FF!!!! typed this mess:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;_&gt;&gt; please distribute if so desired
&gt;
&gt;you're just pissed because bouncing all your spam to your up-
&gt;stream provider *worked*. obviously, you don't object to try-
&gt;ing to do such things yourself:
&gt;
&gt;      From: a9ff@hell.com
&gt;      Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 17:07:18 -0500 (CDT)
&gt;      Apparently-To: &lt;tbyfield@panix.com&gt;
&gt;      Subject:  ET.IN 3
&gt;      
&gt;      netcom.com = !nvezt!gat!ng who 
&gt;      
&gt;= amuz!ng !f u were !nvolvd
&gt;      
&gt;       &lt;...&gt;
&gt;      
&gt;      --- 
&gt;      
&gt;      From: a9ff@hell.com
&gt;      Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 17:45:02 -0500 (CDT)
&gt;      Apparently-To: &lt;tbyfield@panix.com&gt;
&gt;      Subject:  ET.IN 3
&gt;      
&gt;      &gt;&gt; netcom.com = !nvezt!gat!ng who 
&gt;      
&gt; &gt;&gt; = amuz!ng !f u were !nvolvd
&gt;      
&gt; &gt;
&gt;      
&gt; &gt;Please remember that I,
&gt;      
&gt;      
&gt;mattr abov = !n regardz 2 abuse ov netcom.com netverk
&gt;      
&gt;       &lt;...&gt;
&gt;
&gt;cheers,
&gt;t
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;_&gt;&gt; please distribute if so desired
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;      mimicking the korporat fascist maneuver of ETOYS.COM CORPORATION
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;      NETTIME / THING.NET and CYCLING74 CORPORATION have
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;      shut down 3 three internet domains
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt;&gt;     WWW.GOD-EMIL.DK
&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt;&gt;     WWW.M9NDFUKC.ORG
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;      and the domain for a CANADIAN CHILDREN'S RHINOBLASTOMA / 
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;CANCER INSTITUTE
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;      reiterating :
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;      NETTIME / THING.NET and CYCLING74 CORPORATION top ETOYS.COM
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;      by shutting down not just 1 - but 3 internet domains
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;      WWW.GOD-EMIL.DK
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;      WWW.M9NDFUKC.ORG
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;      and the domain for a CANADIAN CHILDREN'S RHINOBLASTOMA / 
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;CANCER INSTITUTE
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;      have been shut down by NETTIME / THING.NET and CYCLING74 CORPORATION
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;      demonstrating yet again the KORPORAT FASCIST temperament of
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;-
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;-
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;-
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;     NETTIME / THING.NET - korporat fascists
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;           tbyfield@panix.com
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;           pit@icf.de
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;           gh@thing.net
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;           geert@xs4all.nl
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;           nettime-l@DESK.NL
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;     CYCLING74  - korporat fascists
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;           nebulous@CYCLING74.COM
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;           les@CYCLING74.COM
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;           ear@SIRIUS.COM
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;           zicarell@CYCLING74.COM
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;-
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;addtl.info.data as it bekomes available.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;nn. ~perplexed + furious.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;have/will pass this on.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;please let me know what has happened when you
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;are able.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;3 doma!nz = hav b!n eraszd 4rom dze dns map
&gt; &gt;&gt;= aksesz!bl !f onl! !n ultra kloze procz!m!t!e.
&gt; &gt;&gt;!.e. !n denmark + !n ultra v!c!n!t!.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;= ganz d!f obta!n!ng !nfo data az = zvrl
&gt; &gt;&gt;`author!t!ez` + zrvrz !nvolvd.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;t!p!kl! !n z!tuaz!onz komme ca = 0+0 !nfo data prov!dd
&gt; &gt;&gt;due 2 h!gh probab!l!t!e ov retal!az!on. = natural! = d!sz
&gt; &gt;&gt;trez fac!l makez !t 4 dezp!kabl korporat l!f 4rmz
&gt; &gt;&gt;2 z!lensz !nd!v!dualz kovertl!
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;= dze atak = haz takn plasz 3 da!z pr!or 2 heute.
&gt; &gt;&gt;abr = onl! !eztrda! = zukzezful! lokatd
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;dze kulpabl =  pr!mar!l! nettime \ thing.net fasc!ztz
&gt; &gt;&gt;although cycling74 zerfz = reprzntd az uel.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;  nn. ~perplexed + furious.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;concerned
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;akt!ng doc!le. ma!z
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;= brutez = komprehend
&gt; &gt;&gt;0+1 ultra zmak onl!.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;un4tunatl! = 0+1 zukzfl ultra zmak
&gt; &gt;&gt;= propagatez ultra zmak genez.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;d!esz ef!kaz!ouz loopz.
&gt; &gt;&gt;dzat = komprehnd dzm =
&gt; &gt;&gt;enzurz != u!sh 2 entr dzm.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;concerned
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;nn. eczasperatd.
&gt; &gt;&gt;bkom!ng 0+1 mole
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;1 Turtics al~d Frogs 81
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;So short piles were at a competitive disadvantage.
&gt; &gt;&gt;As a result, the number of piles declined more quickly than before.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;In the original program,
&gt; &gt;&gt;without any protection for tall piles, [konglomeratz]
&gt; &gt;&gt;the termites produced 157 piles after 1,000 iterations,
&gt; &gt;&gt;With tall piles protected, there were only 85 piles after
&gt; &gt;&gt;1,000 iterations.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;But this rapid convergence to fewer and taller piles comes at a price.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;After 2,000 iterations, the number of piles had shrunk to 82.
&gt; &gt;&gt;But all 82 piles had at least 10 wood chips.
&gt; &gt;&gt;So all of the piles were protected.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;The termites could not find any more wood chips to pick up.
&gt; &gt;&gt;The number of piles would stay frozen at 82 forever.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;= korporat fasc!zm = NETTIME / THING.NET = CYCLING74 = `fecal cement`
&gt; &gt;&gt;= http://www.orgnet.com/netindustry.html
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;palais-tokyo // + qu'hier et bien - que demain 

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&gt;hey

!

&gt;which version of NATO should I get if I want the one with ALL the features?

the most expensive 1!!


&gt;where are the tutorials located?


in your perzonal m9nd kontainer!!!

According to the standpoint mathematicians call Platonism, we do not 
create  the mental objects we speak of.  Instead we find them.  
All thoughts are already present (Godel 1940). 

[netochka nezvanova entrd uen godel = ecz!td!!!!]

"For 99.9 percent of the time since our species came to be we were hunters 
and foragers, wanderers on the savannas and the steppes. There were no 
border guards then, no customs officials."  (Sagan 1994)


verstehtz du!!!!!

http://www.m9ndfukc.org/data/t!pe.t!pe/Nebula.m81||USISK.sit.hqx




&gt;danke!


ganz gluckl!ch. ja. b!n !ch auch.  z n u r k - reboot m!



&gt;KIM

o




alzo &gt;KIM = auear du = ur!te zuf!z!entl! `ter!bl` 
[b! m! ztandardz u!ch = SUPERIOR 2 cmj]
dzat dze data = akzeptd 4 komputr muz!k jurnal. 

= !f !ntrztd = 01 art!kl4 komputr muz!k jurnal
apropoz nato.0+55 modular = rema!nz 2 b 
t!pd = m! art!kl ud nvr b akzptd due 2 
= 2 luvl! 4 dze m9nd konta!nrz ov somnolent malez.

allora. c!ao!!!!





&gt;"the smooth always posseses a greater power of deterritorialization
&gt;  than the striated."
&gt;    - Deleuze &amp; Guattari




01 life objekt at : Rhode Island School of Design UsA typed

Your work. This demands all i have to offer, it provokes me and i paint,
i write, i love.  As 1 human data display of correct behavior you demand
an adequacy that is &gt; than most are capable of willing.  I keep a slide
show of your kinematic images running often in my studio while i work.
what you do with cathode rays is incredible.  If you had a billboard
type display to play with as mural - because your images need pixels -
but how much adoration can you stand?   everyone dies, netochka, who
manages to exist as my eyes read your work.   you would join:

Wilhelm Reich

William Burroughs

Derek Jarman

Gilles Deleuze

Elias Canetti

Guy Debord

there are a couple more, but i discovered their work and most died soon
after, except Wilhelm Reich whose end was just such a terrifying
spectacle of human cruelty.  Coldness and cruelty.  You see, you are, if
you are (0+1) female then you dispell the myth i find often told by
european males, the misogeny that Cannetti's "Auto de F&#233;" was concerned
with and that that beautiful film "Romance", contemporary french film,
what human error/straitjacket/parachute it eloquently described an error
women fall for.  you dispel its claim to necessity.  that list above, it
contains no men because the women, their deaths do not arrive for me in
such a disturbing fashion.  we need to swell the # of one-ly-nesses.
your work generates past the hierarchies of nations and misogenies of
gendered humans.human miso-gen(itive)y.  your e.mail campaigns and the
murtagh situation was pure human genius = as it stands.  anyway, i
appreciate the work you live.  human creativity and love educates and
disciplines the m&#248;del of civilization.


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     [orig to &lt;lev {AT} shoko.calarts.edu&gt;]


hallo + hou do u do. [man!ere art!f!z!el +? pas de tout]
je su!s fat!gue. egal zalut.
= kop! pazte + 01 zleep rout!n.
= nato.0+55 eku!v ov belou 
= kl!k + kl!k !n progresz. nn



how is the development of the processing capabilities and organization
of the brain's cerebral cortex controlled? intrinsic mechanisms (such as
genetically encoded developmental programmes) and extrinsic inputs (such
as the things we see and hear, and the ways that this information is
encoded by specific discharges within particular sensory systems) both
have a say. but to what extent can the developmental pathways be
overruled by inputs from the outside world? two fascinating papers by
sur and colleagues, on pages 841 and 871of this issue1, 2, provide some
of the most compelling evidence yet for the exquisite sensitivity of
cortical development to external cues. 

how does one even start to determine the relative contributions of
external and internal factors to cortical development? ferrets have
proved a useful model animal, in part because they are born before their
development has progressed too far. over the past decade, sur and
co-workers have been perfecting an experimental approach that consists
of surgically manipulating the nerves that feed into different parts of
the cortex of very young ferrets. specifically, the nerves from the
retina (which normally lead to a subcortical region, the visual
thalamus, which in turn feeds into the primary visual cortex, or v1) are
redirected to grow into the auditory thalamus (which feeds into the
primary auditory cortex, or a1). the auditory thalamus itself is
deprived of its normal auditory inputs in this model.

in early experiments3, 4, sur and colleagues showed that this 'rewiring'
procedure results in the emergence of a functional v1 in a cerebral
cortex zone that was otherwise destined to develop into primary auditory
cortex. the new visual cortex has a topographic organization that
parallels that in normal v1. moreover, different neurons in this rewired
cortical zone -- like those in normal v1 -- are selective for
differently orientated visual stimuli. the normal organization of a1, in
contrast, goes awry: the a1 territory is taken over by visual inputs.
such experiments have provided important evidence that the organization
and responsiveness of different cortical regions can be shaped by the
particular patterns of neuronal discharge that result from neuronal
stimulation by different inputs -- in this case, by retinal versus
cochlear (auditory) inputs.

sur and colleagues' latest papers1, 2 advance this theory by several
crucial steps. first, sharma, angelucci and sur1 show that particular
higher-order features seen in normal v1 emerge in the rewired visual
cortex (fig. 1). these features are called 'visual orientation columns':
each consists of a group of neurons that share a preference for visual
stimuli with a particular orientation. the layout of these columns
provides a basis for representation of important spatial characteristics
of visual stimuli. the 'pinwheel' organization of these columns (fig. 1)
in the rewired animals resembles that in v1. the authors go on to show
that horizontal connections -- links between separate columns that
represent corresponding stimulus orientations -- emerge in the rewired
auditory cortex, just as in normal v1. these horizontal connections and
organizational structure have no equivalents in the normal a1. all of
these studies1, 3, 4 convincingly show that much of what typifies the
functio!
!
!
nal organization of v1 can be generated within a1 by delivering retinal
inputs to a1 through the auditory thalamus. 

but the story does not end there. von melchner, pallas and sur2
demonstrate that rewired animals show behavioural responses to visual
stimuli that are presented only to the neurons feeding into the rewired
cortex. in other words, the animals 'see' with what was their auditory
cortex. the ferrets were given the option of receiving a reward from a
spout to their right following a light stimulus, or to their left after
a sound stimulus. after vi


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&gt;PC/Mac:
&gt;Dataton AB stopped writing for PCs some time ago; their last PC 
&gt;software was MICSOFT




        The funktion of the brain is to represent the konstant. lasting. 
        essential and enduring features of objekts. surfaces. faces. situations. 



        Dataton AB ava!lab!l!t! page 
  
        &lt;title&gt; Welcome to Adobe GoLive 4 &lt;/title&gt;




        The funktion of the brain is to represent the konstant. lasting. 
        essential and enduring features of objekts. surfaces. faces. situations. 



        eusocial.com - 

        &lt;title&gt; nato.0+55.macht.ganz.gluckl!ch+fre! &lt;/title&gt;





transmission along nerve fibres 
chemical transmission at synapses

abb&#233; nollet in eighteenth century paris 
did party tricks with static electricity

descartes - other batteries lack consciousness 

repetition teaches humans automation

eusocial.com -&gt; superb source for ztor!ez onl! ecz!zt !n ztor!ez

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                                                                    +?



&gt;&gt;  &gt;I really love
&gt;&gt;  &gt;what I've seen with nato, 


= dzat amer!kn 4 really love nato +?


&gt;&gt; but unfortunatly I'm not on the mac tip these
&gt;&gt;&gt;days.

"I'm not on the [mac] tip"

= dzat amer!kn 4 not be!ng !n luv +?



&gt;&gt;luvl! az = nn = ultra undupl!kabl.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;2ndl! = pcz = ultra ultra !kk. = apple
&gt;&gt;= ver! ultra zt!l!sch da = 
&gt;&gt;zuperb ultra haute couture harduear.
&gt;
&gt;yes, nice architecture.  

= 01 ark!tekturl dekoraz!e.


&gt;the same components in a PC make the PC the 
&gt;same price (or more expensive ( {AT} &lt;here)), yet one still doesn't have 
&gt;the same machine.

pcz &gt; eczpenz!v.
= protokol &lt;=&gt; konglomerat data kontra !nd!v data.
= konglomerat data = appearz 2 b !neczpenz!v
ma!z -

        Jacques Riviere : "the cubists are destined ... to give back to painting
        its true aims - which is to reproduce ... objekts as they are"
        (not as they appear to the eye)


        Konsider - "not as they appear to the eye"  +

        US businesses alone cost society ~$3 trillion per year
        - this is 5 times their profit.







emplo!eez = dusz neu + !mprovd zold!erz.
cezt fasc!nant. du = !n dze arm! nou. arbe!t.macht.+?

arbe!t.macht.arbe!t z!l!.  cezt ga!a. = l!f makez l!f.

= arbe!t makez arbe!t.  zan!taz!e + konzumaz!e


&gt;but I'm not all that interested in the platforms:  I'm interested in 
&gt;the tools, for with them I realize my projects.  

true +?
!f du = konzum 0+0 nutr!entz heute 
+
!f du = konzum 0+0 nutr!entz heute 
+
!f du = konzum 0+0 nutr!entz heute 
+
!f du = konzum 0+0 nutr!entz heute 
+
!f du = konzum 0+0 nutr!entz heute 
=
true +?


dze esensz ov humanz = !n eat!ng.


&gt;My primary tools are 
&gt;on the Mac so I invest in the Mac.  

doez dze mac !n u !nvezt +?

`!` !nvezt !n nn.


&gt;Some of the tools are on both PCs 
&gt;and Macs. 


percy bysshe shelley and mary shelley were fascinated by `galvanism`. 
they inadvertently electrocuted the family cat whilst trying to utilize 
electricity for treating his sister's skin disorder. 


&gt;While I have no problem sitting at a PC, the ride is 
&gt;smoother on the Mac when comparing (practically) identical software.


one thinker in just four lines champions the printing press 
to avoid upsetting the editor and the thermos bottle for no reason. 
another nominates television but remarks of this pervasive socially 
transforming invention merely that it provides information influences 
patterns of behaviour such as sex and crime and has reduced the 
popularity of live performances.


&gt;Also nice is using a four- (actually 6-) button mouse on the Mac (cf. 
&gt;Kensington).  It makes MAX programming a breeze.
&gt;
&gt;&gt;n*
&gt;&gt;*n
&gt;&gt;n*
&gt;
&gt;== **?


** = ark!tektrl dekoraz!e


n*



taken the `meaning` out of the domain name system.


     - http://www.ggttctttat.com


     !.e.  the internet = 1 live darwinian ratchet
           und tzo life forms may komport selves accordingly
           e.g. as ultra desired _ e.g. as             +?


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            61 gaatttatat taatttttta aaatctgaaa atctattgga ctcctagtgt taaattcaaa
           121 tgacaagttt tacatgataa ctcctagttg ttttacattt aaattctagt gatagttcta
           181 aatttatctc tatcaataaa actttcactt ccggcaatta gccgattttc gggaaatttt
           241 gaatttcgac aatttggcga tttgccggaa attttgaatt ccggcaattt gccgacttgc
           301 cgaaattttt aatttttggc tatgtgccga tttaccggaa attttgaatt acggcaaatt
           361 gctgatttgc cggaaatttt caattccggc atttttccga attgtcggaa aaatctatag
           421 aacaattcga gattgaatca cgttttacgc gcaaaattca caattttttt ctcgaatttt
           481 taaaaatgca ttatttcgct gcaagacccg accgcatgta cctttaacct cgtctctaca
           541 gaatccttat tctgtaaatg tttgcatcca aattccaaaa tccgaatacc ctcttccata
           601 tcattccgat attcaattgt aatcttgctc aacgcgagtg accattcggc aatcgccagg
           661 tcactcatca ccgggacacg tggatgcatt gttcgtagat ttatgtccgc cattcttgga
           721 tctcccgacc gacacgtcac gtgttgtttg cagattcgaa ttaaatcgat atcgattgat
           
       



+ the `meaning` out of the family name system 


     Netochka Nezvanova






concilier
officielle
deux

a


precis

en urss
cest inexact





eusocial.com -&gt; superb source for ceramic ribbons + microfluidic channels




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<date>Fri, 22 Sep 2000 05:01:30 +0200</date>
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&gt;hello extraordinary creature

yes alex


&gt;haha ;)  very imaginative. now you want.


occupation: i desire to rent


&gt;blp blp blblb blp


u uant 2 g!v l!fe +?


l!stn




dance at sea

many seahorses form faithful long-term
pair bonds which are
reinforced by greeting rituals.
the male and female may swim
towards each other and dance
together before changing colour and
mating. the female plants sticky
strings of eggs in the male&#185;s
pouch, and he broods the embryos
for up to six weeks before going into
labour to produce fully independent
young. it is no wonder that these
bizarre creatures have fascinated people
since at least the time of the ancient
greeks. the first guidebook to the world&#185;s
seahorses does justice to their beauty and
extraordinary biology, while being a user-friendly
identification handbook and
offering practical advice on the urgent
need for conservation. seahorses: an
identification guide to the world&#185;s
species and their conservation is by sara
a. lourie, amanda c. j. vincent and heather j. hall


what is the price of
oversimplification








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<date>Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:00:59 +0200</date>
<content>
in a survey of 200 universities to asses how quickly they had
adopted 30 specific innovations siegfried et all found that the 
average time between adoption of an innovation by the 1st institution 
and its adoption by half of them was more than 25 years, which
is twice as long as the comparable figure in industry



      

        academie -&gt; industrie -&gt; life form      


       "We shall demolish, destroy, devastate, degrade and 
        ultimately eliminate the essential infrastructure. 
        We shall relentlessly grind them down and it will 
        continue as long as it takes to accomplish our objectives"

        pronouncement by : US general Wesley Clark - supreme allied commander
        on the NATO bombardment of Yugoslavia  :  illustrative 
        of the rigid. sequential. m9ndset of outdated xy "we" life forms. 


        The real revolution life forms are currently living = Korporat Fascism. 
        During Korporat Fascism the korporation supplants the inkompetent + 
        inefficient state machinery. Korporat mikro wars supplant war.
        Unlike wars korporat wars are smaller scale solutions + ubiquitous.


        Progress is inevitable. 
 
        The gene konglomerate supplants the relatively invariant + inkompetent 
        + inefficient individual konglomerate. Kompetition supplants Korporat mikro wars. 
        Kompetition is a small scale solution. It is incessant. Membuffer = reset.

        Unlike the State + the Korporation the Individual is a natural konglomerate.




konglomeratz - log!kl rezultat ov organ!szd rel!g!on









                                          pre.konssept!&#216;n  
                                                meeTz ver!f1kat!&#216;n.     


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<nbr>27.0</nbr>
<subject>[Nettime-bold] art and politics</subject>
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<content>&gt;&gt;the anti NATO protest by 'antiorp' during Kosovo war
&gt;&gt;(most compact example of this artist's radicality)
&gt;Yes, how very radical of them to support the 'ethnic cleansing' of the
&gt;Kosovars. I'm sure that Slobo and Mira were very grateful for their
&gt;artistic intervention. What next: a cool 'n' trendy website for the French
&gt;National Front or the German neo-nazis?!

&gt;Later,

&gt;Richard

Because nettime-bold had a bad time again the last few weeks, I did not
get any mails from nettime for a while. Hence my late reaction to
Richard Barbrooks 'funny' remark quoted above. 

Eventhough I agree that most of the artworld has neglected the social
and political aspects of the making and reception of art for a long time
(and this of course still happens), I find the tendency in certain
European media scenes to look at art from an ideological point of view
very dangerous. The quote above suggests antiorp supported the ethnic
cleansing of the Kosovars. That is pure 'bartalk', talk for over a few
beers, in my opinion. Artists have often reacted to blunt military
action from superpowers without taking sides. I find it totally
inappropriate to look at such work as if it represents political action,
and to judge it as such. It is criticism at the most, or an addition or
initiative to/for a discussion. That does not mean of course it is not
valuable or that it should not be taken seriously. Art is a difficult
but stimulating part of society. Without it there is no life as far as I
see it, only vegetating.


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<nbr>28.0</nbr>
<subject>[Nettime-bold] Re: art and politics</subject>
<from>integer</from>
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<date>Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:16:14 +0200</date>
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&gt;&gt;&gt;the anti NATO protest by 'antiorp' during Kosovo war
&gt;&gt;&gt;(most compact example of this artist's radicality)
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Yes, how very radical of them to support the 'ethnic cleansing' of the
&gt;&gt;Kosovars. I'm sure that Slobo and Mira were very grateful for their
&gt;&gt;artistic intervention. 
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;What next: a cool 'n' trendy website for the French
&gt;&gt;National Front or the German neo-nazis?!



Netochka Nezvanova - simply SUPERIOR. 
du != may kompete.



&gt;&gt;Later,
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Richard



i like stepping on bugs.

step step - on the entire western `inter.attak` video industrie - http://www.eusocial.com

http://eusocial.com/nato.0+55+3d/242.055.propaganda.html





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http://eusocial.com/nato.0+55+3d/242.transfektion.v2.html

Consider : NATO.055 is syntactic - it has been given life by 01 prezent-22 2x life objekt         
            
           Adobe Premiere. After Effects. Steim Image/ine are authored by amalgams of 
           xy life forms whose idea of progress is employment.


           Konglomerates have taken humans as far as they can. 

           Copernicus moved humankind off the center stage of the physical universe
           Netochka Nezvanova moved konglomerates off the center of the human ekonomie




nato.0+55 was the logikal result of an intense migraine
facilitated by the nettime male fascism which at the time was fully loaded
+ western \ nato fascism.




nn adores stepping on bugs. 01 sanitation is most
definitely desirable.

that you operate in packs and herds is indicative you are unsanitary.
nn adores korporat warfare.  lets 242.play.


i want to rent you







&gt;Because nettime-bold had a bad time again the last few weeks, I did not
&gt;get any mails from nettime for a while. Hence my late reaction to
&gt;Richard Barbrooks 'funny' remark quoted above. 
&gt;
&gt;Eventhough I agree that most of the artworld has neglected the social
&gt;and political aspects of the making and reception of art for a long time
&gt;(and this of course still happens), I find the tendency in certain
&gt;European media scenes to look at art from an ideological point of view
&gt;very dangerous. The quote above suggests antiorp supported the ethnic
&gt;cleansing of the Kosovars. That is pure 'bartalk', 
&gt;talk for over a few
&gt;beers, in my opinion.


josephine bosma \ Organization: jesis  
du = heel lekker


&gt;Artists have often reacted to blunt military
&gt;action from superpowers without taking sides. I find it totally
&gt;inappropriate to look at such work as if it represents political action,
&gt;and to judge it as such. It is criticism at the most, or an addition or
&gt;initiative to/for a discussion. That does not mean of course it is not
&gt;valuable or that it should not be taken seriously. Art is a difficult
&gt;but stimulating part of society. Without it there is no life as far as I
&gt;see it, only vegetating.



all artuorkx  &lt; nature
01 art!zt = !nfer!or 2 dze !nzektz !n dze gardn

01 art!zt &lt; 01 mother


letz g!v l!f








i am a cyberbotanist

as the communists say komrade lovers for your health's sake 
pollinate freely.




-
nn - 01 eksku!z!t b!o.zkulptur




      molekul 2 pre.kurzr. zuear. zuear. ! zuear. ! zuear.
      nouakokakolamomentmal _\0- therapeut!kc klon!ng


      do you want your software designs to end up in cardbored boxes
      or G3O-Z!NKRONOUS 0RB!T +?            
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        : http://www.membank.org/0000/0000.html



        : Max Plank Inztitut 4 Ordnung \+\ Disziplin

        : Uber die Konztituzie der Materie  [c]ccp
        : Netochka Nezvanova - oestrus.eusocial.com

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          dze pa!r!ng ov homologouz kromozomez one 4rom each odr prnt 
        dur!ng me!os!z
          i cannot be bothered.i cannot be bothered.surrender your pattent.



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<subject>Syndicate: \/\ pro and contra</subject>
<from>integer</from>
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<date>Sun, 11 Feb 2001 08:46:53 +0100 (CET)</date>
<content>

David Blair &lt;blair@telepathic-movie.org&gt;  

&gt;and constant demands for attention by some machine,

re: konztant kompla!n!ng 4rom var!ouz model z!t!zn robotz.






Nebula.M81
As the noise complement to Signwave Auto-Illustrator's signal, we picked Netochka
Nezvanova's "Nebula.M81". This program has been subject of our heated discussions 
pro and contra, a fact we eventually found an important reason itself to shortlist it. 


zee. uant zom +?


Nebula is a web-based Macintosh user application
that, apart from that, defies an exact description: It is an aesthetic processor of html
code retrieved from arbitrary web sites which it turns into animated text, graphics and
sound displays that can partly be influenced by user-triggered parameters. Nebula, along
with the extremist chic ASCII art communication of its author also known in the Net.art
community as antiorp, ranked highest on our scales of code as attitude.


http://www.transmediale.de/01/en/s_juryStatement.htm







nn. printable


     MAKE SPASZ 4 DZE NEU GENERAZ!E!!!!!!


     http://www.eusocial.com/schone/neue/veLt
        http://www.eusocial.com/schone/neue/veLt
                 http://www.eusocial.com/schone/neue/veLt







pzb. David Blair - please - stop emailing me yes.



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<subject>&lt;nettime&gt; can we try</subject>
<from>integer</from>
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<date>Sun, 22 Apr 2001 06:05:37 -0400</date>
<content>

alex galloway &lt;alex {AT} rhizome.org&gt;

&gt;nn,
&gt;
&gt;can we try to interview again??
&gt;
&gt;best,


I am much too famous to be interviewed by you HONEY!!!
Go SHOOT A HONEY BUZZARD OR SOMETHING,

and leave me alone. I cannot be bothered.
[http://eusocial.com/242.looking.glass/00/04.html]



[hallo porculus]




&gt;-ag
&gt;
&gt;+ + +
&gt;
&gt;Q: You have many different identities on the net: =cw4t7abs, antiorp,
&gt;m9ndfukc, integer, and Netochka Nezvanova (are there others?). Can you
&gt;describe how these personas differ? Do they mean different things for
&gt;you?
&gt;
&gt;Q: Can you describe your work "nebula_m81" and what the USISK system is?
&gt;
&gt;Q: I realized the other day, after trying to keep up with the never-
&gt;ending flurry of your emails, that you may have the honor of being the
&gt;most well known and simultaneously *most disliked* net artist. You seem
&gt;to have a very intimate relationship with data. Has your strategy been
&gt;one of complete email saturation? Or is this simply the consequence of
&gt;leaving behind normal artistic practice and entering the datasphere?
&gt;
&gt;Q: I know that I unsubscribed you from Rhizome Raw at some point last
&gt;year (a practical consideration which subsequently has been reversed).
&gt;Have you also been denied entry to other email lists?







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                                                http://www.eusocial.com
http://ggttctttat.com/depleted.uranium.internet.genome.sequencing/

tra!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
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     [orig To: &lt;syndicate {AT} eg-r.isp-eg.de&gt;]


: scena 0+7

kommun!kat!on = rece!ved 1.0 s
at 1 zpeed ov 299 792 458 m/s




&gt;you are playing games with me again.


moi +? i am guilty of being innocent.


have stated - selling art is an artistic aktivity for
the life forms involved are obtuse + outdated [art critics, curators, artists etc] 
+ the system resembles a plantation albeit one 
where everyone involved operates on slave wages [horizontal handicap]

mais ___... all art is useless [diagonal handicap]


selling tools on the other hand is an ubiquitous aktivity for
everyone understands and desires weapons [although few are aware + fewer even wear them]

lastly - only artists desire money.
as tzara wrote `simple men manifest their existences by houses, important men by monuments`

next to humans, money is the most inexpensive life form.









&gt;you are playing       with me again.


art sells the tools [religion. state. money. coca cola etc] which plant slaves on the plantation.
money is utilized to stage theatre revolutions that slash and burn plantations.

next to money art is the most humane currency.






&gt;you are               with me again.


selling `art` is merely art.
selling tools [for art] as art is multi-lateral + emergent humanitarian assistance.
a holon. 

+ very much nn &lt;-&gt; nn. stories within stories within stories.



in any case - art is for plebeians by plebeians.
important life forms ....

        once upon a time a single-celled organism swallowed a 
        photosynthetic bacterium and created the first plant cell. 
        the bacterium became a chloroplast converting light into 
        energy on behalf of the plant - and the rest is history. 

        other single-celled organisms just kept on swallowing. 
        single-celled algae swallowed primeval plant cells; 
        these were in turn swallowed by larger single-celled organisms 
        creating microscopic russian dolls. 


give life.



fr!endl! \ deztrukt!v ed!t.
nn






 comme ca :
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                                          pre.konssept!&#255;n  
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[01 fragment ov dze nn prezentation at sonar.01]


&gt;From: Andreas Broeckmann

To: Netochka Nezvanova

&gt;dear,
&gt;your compulsion to comment on everything, respond to everything, forward 
&gt;everything, say everything, is boring, not only for me. i get things like:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Subject: Syndicte_spam 
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Dear Andreas
&gt;&gt;Who is this "integer {AT} www.god-emil.dk" that is spamming syndicate-it
&gt;&gt;really makes the list bad.
&gt;
&gt;strange to think that a single multiple like you can force a whole group to 
&gt;migrate just because they are bullied out of the open hose that they have 
&gt;created for themselves and others.
&gt;i don't understand you. you have a clear sense of what you are doing to the 
&gt;lists on a social level and yet you insist on artistic autism for your own sake.
&gt;maybe you can explain to me, again?
&gt;you know that i am genuinely concerned, like i was a few years ago when we 
&gt;decided to unsubscribe you in order not to drown in messages and frustration.



there is no god walking in this garden

a boundary is defined by exclusion


fourteen month old human babies aren't bothered by breaches of propriety.
nineteen month old human babies point an accusing finger at the tiniest flaw: a hole in clothes, 
a chip in the paint, a spot of dirt on the wall, or most important, the `bad` behaviour of others.
they are incensed when things are `yucky`, `broken`, `boo-boo`, and `dirty`. 
in short, at less than 2 years old toddlers already show not just the instincts that patrol conformity within 
themselves, but the weapons which will help them impose it on others.

older children become far more aggressive enforcers of conformity.
as long ago as 1992, 21 percent of british schoolchildren had been teased, bullied, hit or kicked by fellow students.
it japan, it is often the teacher who leads the pack.

things are not that different in the modern artistic community.
when artists present works that contradict the tenets of established organizations' creed,
they are not praised for the objektivity of their work, but punished for their heresy. 
they are derided, their works and papers rejected by galleries and journals;
they are excluded from key symposia - all an indirect way of forcing them to "leave".

a similar mechanism of repression is at work in every discipline i know.

the lesson taught: to go against the tide is suicide.



colour is a construction of the brain. there arent any colours in the `outside` world.
newton knew this - "rays, to speak properly, have no colour. in them there is nothing else
than a certain power and disposition to stir up a sensation of this colour or that"

......

one of the most engaging puzzlez of a very puzzling art.
this is sharply emphasized by the delight of every spektator
who is succesful in solving the puzzle by finding in these enigmatic
stories some sort of tangible, pictorial justification of the title appended thereto - nn ... 





1001 venztuze. nn - simply.SUPERIOR




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http://www.eusocial.com/242.broca 





- repr!nt


allo 

komplimentary 242.broca - http://www.eusocial.com/242.broca  
for the _3rd person who smuggles the below in its _entirety in korporat fascist max-l.

ciao partizani.








   \\ 242.broca + kometa - process web sites + etc speech via msp + NATO.0+55+3d


   as broca said in 1861: "although i believe in the principle of localization, 
   i have asked and still ask myself within what limits this principle
   can be applied." for brain cartographers, the last frontier is in their heads.


   DONT SHY AUAY FROM THE FALLACY OF ORDER + KALKULATION!!!


   And that high spirit ever wars
   On Mammon's countless servitors


   are you the most effektiv + popular advokate of wonders +? are you +?

   i uish 2 be a rented string on your bow!!!!


   242.broca  - speak.please
   242.kometa - lettre sur la comete
   242.rna    - enjoy the rarity with which a body came





                http://www.eusocial.com/242.broca               
                         http://www.eusocial.com/242.404
                                   http://www.eusocial.com/242.rna






fill me with questions and joy!!!!!


1001 !sz tanz. nn












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            \/       __
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        \_\                        because i like stepping on bugs



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                                    http://www.eusocial.com
                                  http://www.biohakc.com
                                http://www.ggttctttat.com/!
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&gt; My name is       ; I live in Livingston, Montana and I am 16 - a
&gt; junior at Park High School. I am currently involved in a summer
&gt; computer program for girls at my local high school. It is called 'Go For
&gt; It" and it is designed to familiarize more women with computers and the
&gt; internet in hopes that the number of women entering computer-related
&gt; careers will increase. Anyway, I created a web site featuring Netochka
&gt; Nezvanova.I asume that you are familiar with her and her work
&gt; considering I found an internet article on the web that was about her
&gt; written by you! I am e-mailing you in hopes that you could give me an
&gt; e-mail address from which I could contact her.  I wanted to inform her
&gt; that I am desinging a web site festuring her! I thought she might like to
&gt; know that! Also, our high school just bought many new computers and I am
&gt; naming a computer after her!!  

          01 zuarm ov namelesz nobod!ez da +?






deep !nz!d dze cell. m! memor! modul = fa!thlesz


doztojevzk! zagt - uarm glou = touz lez mat!nz du monde 















If the art of storytelling has become rare, the
dissemination of information has had a decisive share in this state of
affairs.  Every morning brings us the news of the globe, and yet we are
poor in noteworthy stories.  This is because no event any longer comes
to us without already being shot through with explanation....it is half
the art of storytelling to keep a story free from explanation as one
reproduces it.  The most extraordinary things, marvelous things, are
related with the greatest accuracy, but the psychological connection of
the events is not forced on the reader.  It is left up to him to
interpret things the way he understands them, and thus the narrative
achieves an amplitude that information lacks.

This process of assimilation, which takes place in depth,
requires a state of relaxation which is becoming rarer and rarer.  If
sleep is the apogee of physical relaxation, boredom is the apogee of
mental relaxation.  Boredom is the dream bird that hatches the egg of
experience.  A rustling in the leaves drives him away. 

....storytelling.....does not aim to convey the pure essence
of the thing, like information or a report.  It sinks the thing into the
life of the storyteller, in order to bring it out of him again.  Thus
traces of the storyteller cling to the story the way the handprints of
the potter cling to the clay vessel.

I believe I have told already that reading ....





le c!el est bleu. !l est kla!r.
je n`a! aucun espo!r qu! le tempz
pour fa!re la ne!ge.

ueav fa!r!talez around dze velt.




      ! am dze daughtr ov earth + uatr
      + dze nurzl!ng ov dze zk!
      ! pasz through porez ov dze ocean + shorez;
      ! change but ! kannot d!e _..
      ! z!lntl! laugh at m! oun cenotaph
      + out ov dze kavernz ov ra!n
      l!ke 01 ch!ld 4rom dze uomb. l!ke 01 gozt 4rom dze
          tomb
      ! ar!sz + unbu!ld !t aga!n

                                         percy bysshe shelley - dze kloud





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                                  http://www.biohakc.com
                                http://www.ggttctttat.com/!
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&gt;Dear  Nezvanova Netochka,

sentpre


&gt;We are happy to inform you that your projects "NATO. 0+55+3d" and "net
&gt;[ss] daq" have been approved by the programming committee and 
....
&gt;displayed in the micromuseum of .........



let me teaze ur nekt!e.
i lv++ game[s]. stick your tongue out so i can xerox it. [dzat = uaz 4 dze nettime frogz]



        NATO.0+55+3d - http://www.eusocial.com/nato.0+55
        net[ss]daq   - http://www.membank.org/net[ss]daq





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                                  http://www.biohakc.com
                                http://www.ggttctttat.com/!
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&gt;Neil Wiernik &lt;neil@techno.ca&gt;


certainly interaccess shall be v.pleased to have hired an abs. genius.
bon. let us proceed.




Neil Wiernik &lt;neil@techno.ca&gt; - apparently representing Interaccess 
                              - a non.profit nato.member [oxymoron] kountry organization




&gt;ok nn wantd S1200 american for a one month institutional licence per
&gt;computer per user.


a very cucu + tralalela imaginazie++ monsieur genius \ private medic zvp. 

en fakt ... i think i would prefer that you and interaccess issue a public apology.
and i want smoke flowing from the altars. it may calm my nerves. 



&gt;we were charging $100 per person (up to a maximum of 8 persons) for the
&gt;workshop. Inter Access is a non profit org the $800 was to go towards
&gt;paying for jeremys flights and a small teachers fee. So please get your
&gt;facts strait befor posting stupid things like that!!! nn was being super
&gt;selfish and not very understanding of our situation what so ever. I mean
&gt;even cycleing 74 donated version 4 of max and version 2 of msp to us. 

more beta testers. 
...i on the other hand have made a mistake. i gave to you. 
now i retreat wounded. my sorrowful echo shall remain + only.


&gt;She
&gt;could have at least looked at the situation and said ok this is a
&gt;non-profit and its a small workshop with no more the 8 people attending
&gt;each paying $100. but no she is a greedy person and wants to much, well
&gt;gred always gets you down in the end. Becasue of her reaction we didnt do
&gt;the workshop 

you didnt for you knew that may have been the end of your federal funding.



&gt;and she lost out on the potential of 8 more people who might
&gt;have paid for a version of nato after the workshop as a result. Its all
&gt;really her loss she needs to start looking at the larger picture and not
&gt;be so greedy!


kneel severin. am now ready to mass.age you.
komfortabl +?


        [oops. inkorekt program. lets melt dze 2]




&gt;Neil...


absolute + absolute + total humanitarian assistance!!!!


many months ago when the melt was snowing
and the first birds spoke - chirp

interaccess a non.profit nato.member [oxymoron] kountry organization
was granted a special license because 01 ost.europa girl entitled nn felt sympathetic 
re: `scarcity of funds` in nato.countries


post the lovely lovely accord interaccess proceeded to acquire extra soft wear perfumed in roses
- apparently the scarcity of funds no longer an issue was. 

         the birds spoke thus : another nato excursion may have taken place.
and quickly covered their eyes.



nn blinked. 
nn did not move for nn is frozen.




most recently interaccess decided to organize a nato.0+55 atelier.
tres bien. nn invites you to konsider.

90 percent of nato.0+55 workshops have offered discounted
licenses to those participating and excluded absolutely no one.


one bird spoke - chirp. not even me. 1 of my wings is terribly wounded 
                 and i am unable 2 fly as well. but i lv++ being with my friends.




90 percent of nato.0+55 workshops have either made arrangements 
for steeply discounted temporary licenses or full sponsorship
or were simply.gratis.


we are awaiting the spektakle in france!!! invited we have been!!! 
we love to travel and we adore nn.  - 3 birds 
clothed in slender and supple movements whispered.
           ...... schhhhhh - tell no one - we are nn




organizations in portugal. spain etc arent as well funded as interaccess.

mais _... they have been so much more elegant.


comme ca said 01 bird and performed an aerial pirouette
whilst scattering grains of beauty in the mysterious garden.




interaccess did little besides deciding to: TAKE + GIVE NOT 


the grains grew into invisible dreams ....

how true how true how true

01 choir of insects:  we.ll tend to them 




perhaps interaccess is under the impression that more funding will
resolve their dilemma. that is a delusion.


interaccess - simply because it is located in canada is not entitled
to simply.take


interaccess - simply because it is located in canada is not entitled
to intimidate me nor one other into uncomfortable positions.


interaccess - simply because it is located in canada is entitled
to comport itself in an exemplary manner.


interaccess may proceed. 01 love affair shall follow.



nn - simply because she is insanely beautiful is entitled to entangle avec the ultra 
     beautiful + only and thus nn said i am 3 birds: lets fly!!!!!!

     + turn invisible dreams into golden streams... 




     video software +?

     ne. - i want you 

     greedy +?

     0.0








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             \            \/       i should like to be a human plant
            \/       __
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        \_\                        because i like stepping on bugs



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                                  http://www.biohakc.com
                                http://www.ggttctttat.com/!
La Sculpture du Vivant       http://steim.nl/leaves/petalz
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mmmmmmmm..  uant 2 bu! m! zna!z a +?
[mustnt despa!r - shall hav zomdz!ng 4 u zhortl!]



                 Madonna items fetch top dollar in
                 Web sale 
                 By Reuters 
                 August 2, 2001, 1:00 p.m. PT 

                 NEW YORK--Madonna's marketing savvy is apparently contagious. 

                 Sothebys.com and Gotta Have It Collectibles, a Manhattan memorabilia shop, held a two-week
                 online auction of the pop icon's castoffs just in time to coincide with her world tour. 

                 The result? A record price for a Madonna costume at auction. 

                 Four bidders fought over the diva's
                 beaded Dolce &amp; Gabbana bra worn
                 during "The Girlie Tour," with the
                 winner paying $23,850, far above
                 the item's pre-sale estimate of
                 $7,000 to $9,000. 

                 The auction, which ended on
                 Wednesday, took in a total of
                 $205,332. 

                 "We are ecstatic with the
                 unprecedented results of this online
                 auction," said Bob Schagrin, Gotta
                 Have It's co-owner. 

                 "Bids came from across the United
                 States and around the world. The
                 global interest along with the record
                 prices achieved have further
                 cemented Madonna's place in pop
                 culture history." 

                 Other top lots included the black sequined bustier with gold tassels worn by Madonna on the "Who's
                 That Girl" tour, which sold for $20,550 and more than twice its low pre-sale estimate of $10,000, and
                 her handwritten lyrics from "Like A Prayer," which reached $20,000. 

                 Also auctioned off was Madonna's MTV Music Video Award for "Express Yourself," for which a bidder
                 forked over $11,500, a relative bargain given the $10,000 to $15,000 estimate. Her original platinum
                 record award for the early hit, "Like A Virgin," soared to $5,175, far exceeding the estimate of $800 to
                 $1,200. 

                 Costumes designed by John Galliano or Jean-Paul Gaultier fetched $13,800 and $11,212
                 respectively, both exceeding their estimates. 

                 In all, 94 percent of some 70 lots offered found buyers. 

                 Gotta Have It has been buying up Madonna memorabilia for 10 years from collectors or from
                 charities selling Madonna items that had been donated to them, Schagrin said. 

                 The shop plans to open a gallery in London in September. 

                 Madonna's "Drowned World Tour" opened in Barcelona in June and played shows in London and
                 New York in July. The U.S. leg winds up in Los Angeles in September. 






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gr!b!tz
	po?ch cal

   	a data noon
gl!b!tz

?     buyu dat shall
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?
build. &amp;:	nn.zoo&amp;

  &amp;
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dada + da


da!



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<content>At 01:05 03/08/01, integer@www.god-emil.dk wrote:

i love my zoo

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do not forget  :


4ahuam = 4 u i m


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Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 3:45 PM


&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Marcus Neustetter &lt;m_n@mweb.co.za&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt; CALL for Contribution.
&gt; &gt;I am working
&gt;
&gt; gratis right +?
&gt; tell the truth mollusk.

YES! GRATIS! i felt the addition of a cultural component to a conference
that does not address any presence of creatives using the web medium more
imporant than dropping the whole project because the initial sponsoship did
not come through!

a national govermental art support does not exist for such projects in south
africa. in fact the local arts support system needs much upliftement and
education in the form of the relationship of art and technology. i am
attempting to develop a programme here that will enable not only the
priveledged web-connected artists to get support from business but allow the
underpriveledged communities in Southern Africa (and then moving north) to
get the opportunities to learn about computers and learn about the internet,
building a creative working environment ...   bla bla bla
through a range of exhibitions in the last years i have geared up a whole
lot of support to start builing a service that might not be financially
viable for me, but has enabled a series of projects such as building the
first cd rom collection for a corporate collection locally (yes, for which
they paid the artists!!!) which is used for schools and development
programmes ...

OPEN FASCIST EXPLOITER!!!!!!!!!

?  .dk   .co.za     hmmmm    same web - different contexts? different
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From-kranning@miau-miau.com" &lt;kranning@miau-miau.com&gt;


&gt; Friday August 3rd  --  9PM
 
&gt; The Past, Present and Future of Electronic Music
&gt; with Morton Subotnik and Joel Chadabe + others

&gt; at Experience Music Project in Seattle
&gt; (Frank Gehry - designed museum)

&gt; kr will provide nato.0+55 on the world's largest LCD screen

&gt; http://www.emplive.com/visit/special/electronic_series.asp


....



&gt; :Results of the Preselection for the Film Festival g-niale 2001

&gt; Dear Mr. Ralske,

&gt; on behalf of the organizers of the film festival g-niale, garage g e.V. and
&gt; Filmclub Blendwerk e.V., I would like to thank you for participating. I am
&gt; pleased to inform you that your submission "Nato.0+55 .movs" has been
&gt; chosen by the jury as an installation during the festival.


....


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asz!ztansz++ human!tar!an uarm tranzm!t!ng


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d!nam!kz z!ztem !n judgement human ut!l!z!ng
nuthman konrad b! paper 01 b!n. zttz mozt haz =
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       \/\   LETZ ERROR CHEk!!!!!!! YES PL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SS!!!!!!!




      sssssssmart moderator - open sourcing nettime okzident frogz++++


   o1 extra simply.SUPERIOR projekt b! Netochka Nezvanova [dze 01 + onl! da]
  implemented by okzident satellites [+ dze! dont evn knou !t.lekker]


  u uant 2 play dze unabridged oxford via simply.muzikal keyboard +?

    klik hier kr!!!!!ket - http://www.eusocial.com/242.microsoft
          klik hier kr!!!!!ket - http://www.eusocial.com/242.microsoft




                komputers re:learn by having neu programz read in. 
                brains need sex. 

                             \\   nn - neu + improved. totally asexual. 
  





tranz!z!on !n2 dze nekst AKT.
+ she walked FREE.


da.da.da


nn - unfolding + ekspanding [! m 01 kosmos planeta zzzzzzzzzzz. si si si. ur general welfare = at ztake]








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      \/\ 242.organic letters


      \/\ etvas publicitate [ist &gt; important than the data evidament]


          nato.0+55 in borderzmak 2.o + 01 interview with Netochka Nezvanova
          + selekt nato.0+55 operators kondukted by the Alternative Museum. NY. USA

    
          nato.0+55 in the dokumentary film Neue Kraft|neues Werk 
          [i just lv+ .de dont u +? konduciv 2 extra schivers]
          + 01 [audio] interview with Netochka Nezvanova [which must tell is quite delektable]


          + 242.microsoft is fun fun fun. = anticipate 01 mailing list bombardment++
          
          

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   -  | gendr \+\ komerz  - ! uant 2 rent u

        01 teor!e ov pavlov!an kond!z!on!ng: 
        effekt.!vnsz ov re!nforssmnt + non.re.re!nforssmnt

        http://www.eusocial.com/nato.0+55+3d/gm/1309.gif

    








nn. rich.bored + edukated.

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      &gt;i love your claws.  

       pulz!ng !n + out ov 01 del!z!ouz zkr!!!!!!m




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            \/\  juzt.ur.miau 01 miau.miau - NATO.0+55+3d 4|4|4 felines


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 curbing the appetites of xy sinners since o.1978 
 [without resorting to pain. damnation + kapital punishment]
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | |y|o|u| |w|h|o| |a|r|e| |w|a|i|t|i|n|g| |f|o|r| |m|e| |t|a|k|e| |m|e| |t|o| |y|o|u|r|s|e|l|v|e|s|.| |
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| | | | | | | |f|o|r| |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |f|i|r|s|t| |a|n|d| |t|h|e| |l|a|s|t|.| |
| | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |h|o|n|o|r|e|d| |o|n|e| |a|n|d| |t|h|e| |s|c|o|r|n|e|d| |o|n|e|.| |
| | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |h|a|r|l|o|t| |a|n|d| |t|h|e| |h|o|l|y| |o|n|e|.| |
| | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |w|i|f|e| |a|n|d| |t|h|e| |v|i|r|g|i|n|.| |
| | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |m|o|t|h|e|r| |a|n|d| |t|h|e| |d|a|u|g|h|t|e|r|.| |
| | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |m|e|m|b|e|r|s| |o|f| |m|y| |m|o|t|h|e|r|.| |
| | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |b|a|r|r|e|n| |o|n|e| |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | |a|n|d| |m|a|n|y| |a|r|e| |h|e|r| |s|o|n|s|.| |
| | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |s|h|e| |w|h|o|s|e| |w|e|d|d|i|n|g| |i|s| |g|r|e|a|t|
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | |a|n|d| |i| |h|a|v|e| |n|o|t| |t|a|k|e|n| |a| |h|u|s|b|a|n|d|.| |
| | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |m|i|d|w|i|f|e| |a|n|d| |s|h|e| |w|h|o| |d|o|e|s| |n|o|t| |b|e|a|r|.| |
| | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |s|o|l|a|c|e| |o|f| |m|y| |l|a|b|o|r| |p|a|i|n|s|.| |
| | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |b|r|i|d|e| |a|n|d| |t|h|e| |b|r|i|d|e|g|r|o|o|m|
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | |a|n|d| |i|t| |i|s| |m|y| |h|u|s|b|a|n|d| |w|h|o| |b|e|g|o|t| |m|e|.| |
| | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |m|o|t|h|e|r| |o|f| |m|y| |f|a|t|h|e|r| |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | |a|n|d| |t|h|e| |s|i|s|t|e|r| |o|f| |m|y| |h|u|s|b|a|n|d| |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | |a|n|d| |h|e| |i|s| |m|y| |o|f|f|s|p|r|i|n|g|.| |
| | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |s|l|a|v|e| |o|f| |h|i|m| |w|h|o| |p|r|e|p|a|r|e|d| |m|e|.| |
| | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |r|u|l|e|r| |o|f| |m|y| |o|f|f|s|p|r|i|n|g|.| |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | |b|u|t| |h|e| |i|s| |t|h|e| |o|n|e| |w|h|o| |b|e|g|o|t| |m|e| |b|e|f|o|r|e| |t|h|e| |t|i|m|e| |o|n| |a| |b|i|r|t|h|d|a|y|.| |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | |a|n|d| |h|e| |i|s| |m|y| |o|f|f|s|p|r|i|n|g| |i|n| |t|i|m|e|
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | |a|n|d| |m|y| |p|o|w|e|r| |i|s| |f|r|o|m| |h|i|m|.| |
| | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |s|t|a|f|f| |o|f| |h|i|s| |p|o|w|e|r| |i|n| |h|i|s| |y|o|u|t|h| |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | |a|n|d| |h|e| |i|s| |t|h|e| |r|o|d| |o|f| |m|y| |o|l|d| |a|g|e|.| |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | |a|n|d| |w|h|a|t|e|v|e|r| |h|e| |w|i|l|l|s| |h|a|p|p|e|n|s| |t|o| |m|e|.| |
| | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |s|i|l|e|n|c|e| |t|h|a|t| |i|s| |i|n|c|o|m|p|r|e|h|e|n|s|i|b|l|e| |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | |a|n|d| |t|h|e| |i|d|e|a| |w|h|o|s|e| |r|e|m|e|m|b|r|a|n|c|e| |i|s| |f|r|e|q|u|e|n|t|.| |
| | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |v|o|i|c|e| |w|h|o|s|e| |s|o|u|n|d| |i|s| |m|a|n|i|f|o|l|d| |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | |a|n|d| |t|h|e| |w|o|r|d| |w|h|o|s|e| |a|p|p|e|a|r|a|n|c|e| |i|s| |m|u|l|t|i|p|l|e|.| |
| | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |u|t|t|e|r|a|n|c|e| |o|f| |m|y| |n|a|m|e|.| |
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       i am the one who is disgraced and the great one. 
       i am the one who is disgraced and the great one. 
       i   a m   t h e   o n e   w h o   i s   d i s g r a c e d   a n d   t h e   g r e a t   o n e .   


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i want to rekord my dsp ideas in your dna.
do say yes.

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        on a related note: be!ng anal!szd !n v!tro = del!z!ouz 1nz. 
tu!sz.thr!sz.komod!f!kaz!on.


&gt;i am tired of all this.

phpz u muzt hav ur z!kl!k amp re:adjustd [b! zom 1 - zrtnl! not !]



&gt;could you please fill me in on where/what/how i have any relevance to you?

__... !n konz!deraz!on ov dze momentar! d!ztrakz!on ov plzr - ! = hav enough.


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|[] |[ |][ |[ ]|[ |[] |[ |][ |[ ]|[ |[] |[  yes.pl!!!!!sz |][ |[ ]|[a|[]n|[d|][ |[t]|[h|[]e|[ |][i|[d]|[e|[] yes.pl!!!!!sz a|[ |][w|[h]|[o|[]s|[e|][ |[r]|[e|[]m|[e|][m|[b]|[ yes.pl!!!!!sz r|[]a|[n|][c|[e]|[ |[]i|[s|][ |[f]|[r|[]e|[q|][u|[ yes.pl!!!!!sz e]|[n|[]t|[.|][ |[
]|[ |[] |[ |][ |[ ]|[ |[] |[i|] yes.pl!!!!!sz [ |[a]|[m|[] |[t|][h|[e]|[ |[]v|[o|][i|[c]|[e|[] | yes.pl!!!!!sz [w|][h|[o]|[s|[]e|[ |][s|[o]|[u|[]n|[d|][ |[i]|[s| yes.pl!!!!!sz [] |[m|][a|[n]|[i|[]f|[o|][l|[d]|[ |[]
|[ |][ |[ ] yes.pl!!!!!sz |[ |[] |[ |][ |[ ]|[ |[] |[ |][ |[ ]|[ |[]a|[n|][d yes.pl!!!!!sz |[ ]|[t|[]h|[e|][ |[w]|[o|[]r|[d|][ |[w]|[h|[]o|[s yes.pl!!!!!sz |][e|[ ]|[a|[]p|[p|][e|[a]|[r|[]a|[n|][c|[e]|[ |[] yes.pl!!!!!sz i|[s|][ |[m]|[u|[]l|[t|][i|[p]|[l|[]e|[.|][ |[
]|[ yes.pl!!!!!sz  |[] |[ |][ |[ ]|[ |[] |[i|][ |[a]|[m|[] |[t|][h|[ yes.pl!!!!!sz e]|[ |[]u|[t|][t|[e]|[r|[]a|[n|][c|[e]|[ |[]o|[f|] yes.pl!!!!!sz [ |[m]|[y|[] |[n|][a|[m]|[e|[].|[ |][
|[





let m! zku!!!!sz 0+7 lemonz !n ur open-genez.

http://membank.org/genetrade/

nn









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matthew fuller &lt;matt@axia.demon.co.uk&gt;

&gt;fwd: THE ACCIDENTED DEATH OF AN ANARCHIST
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;"How many political dissidents find themselves in the same
&gt;situation of being murdered - suicided by society because of
&gt;their original aim of realising language - of introducing
&gt;the necessary, vivifying political insertion of unreason,
&gt;which has its own  rationality,  into the coherent,
&gt;instrumental and manipulative discourse of the normal ones."
&gt;
&gt;- David Cooper: The Language Of Madness (Pelican 1980)
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;The death of Carlo Guiliani, shot, run over, in Genoa. Cops
&gt;say "Pieces of shit. It is you who killed him!" Protesters
&gt;chant: "Assassins, Assassins!"
&gt;
&gt;"Hours after Carlo Guiliani's death, protestors have created
&gt;a makeshift shrine, heaping red flowering plants they
&gt;uprooted from a nearby public garden. A piece of notebook
&gt;paper, weighed down with a teargas cannister, is "scrawled
&gt;with the words. 'Made in G8'" (John Vidal: Guardian 21/7/01)
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;Carlo Guiliani one more lying prone and bloodied on the
&gt;Italian asphalt...
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;"If there is a simple logic here, it is that the more we can
&gt; connect with all our stakeholders the more possibilities
&gt;everyone has to help create a better world" (BT advert in
&gt;Guardian 21/7/01 - www. Bt.com/ betterworld).
&gt;
&gt;Carlo Guiliani deaded by G8
&gt;
&gt;- Feel faintly sickened by my own texts in light of the
&gt;protestors in Genoa. But surely this is a modality of my
&gt;comitment, the 'impulse-semiotic' of my support for them?
&gt;
&gt;Carlo, I am trying to call on Pier Paolo: "Our guilt as
&gt;fathers could be said to consist in this - that we believe
&gt;that history is not and cannot be other than bourgeois
&gt;history."
&gt;
&gt;How strange, Carlo, that this is from a piece by Pier called
&gt;'Unhappy Youths', how miserable he felt in 1975 about
&gt;"revolt becoming part of a code", but that attack on the
&gt;copdrover, that wasn't coded, that was too real, too real a
&gt;hatred for the 'violatingly impotent'.


you seek pleasure + not self.
the inward turning of the worker kontrasts with the outward turning of the dancer.


    all days shall be holy to me - so once spoke the wisdom of my youth.
    verily the language of a joyous wisdom.
 
    but then did steal my nights, and sold them to sleepless torture

    and once did i wish 2 dance as i yet had never danced:
    beyond all heavens did i want to dance. then did you seduce my favorite minstrel

    only in the dance do i know how to speak the parables of highest things
    and now has my greatest parable remained unspoken in my limbs


one is one self.


&gt;matt@axia.demon.co.uk


i hunger not for you.
you are but poor.

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&gt;&gt; i want to rekord my dsp ideas in your dna.
&gt;&gt;  do say yes.
&gt;
&gt;You know what is funny?  I am always contemplating how to deserve you.  But 
&gt;with your help, your good emails, better than mine, I know that I will have 
&gt;very little to do with my own birth.  You know how beautiful that feels?  Do 
&gt;you believe I am crying?  Just for a second.

da. it is good you cry.    evn !f 4 01 ''

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allo

you are invited 2 01 private nn dinner.
may bring 01 other. flight + accommodations kompliments of nn.

may indikate if desirous of attending.

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bo nn zo!r
bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r
bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r
bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r
bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r
bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r
bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r
bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo 
nn zo!r bo nn zo!r
bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo 
nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r

xerox!!!!!!

nn will be hosting 01 formal + private dinner [somewhere in ost.europa]
should one [you +?] care to attend may indikate desire via ecdysone@eusocial.com

travel + akkomodations kompli.mints of nn [rich.bored + edukated da.da+da]

merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! 
merc! merc! merc! merc!
merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc!
merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc!
merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc!
merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc!
merc! merc! merc! merc! merc!
merc! merc! merc!
merc!

1001 asc!! gymast!kzzz

xerox!!!!!!

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&gt;Dear Netochka Nezvanova,
&gt;
&gt;Here is the Program Committee's report for your submission to cast01 -
&gt;"NN - The Next Phase of Business Ethics" - which has been accepted for publication as a
&gt;full paper in the conference proceedings.
&gt;


altzo. ! uant 2 rent a body!!!!

ecdysone@eusocial.com


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        order hier. experiment elsewhere.
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&gt;Hello,
&gt;
&gt;How are you?This is      .We met in Belfort last year.


quuuuuuooo!!!! +? no. you may not order me by fone.



&gt;I`ll show my piece,        , for SIGGRAPH2001 Art Show 

where 1 shops says a lot about one.



&gt;and I just

n*

*n

n*


&gt;want to ask you if you have a plan to come to SIGGRAPH2001.

no thing + no thing is less appealing than a bouquet of happy humans.



&gt;Raivo Kelomees 
&gt;Interview with Steina Vasulka

what a tousled tasteless toad.




&gt;???????????????????????????when is the dinner
&gt;where is ?????????????the dinner?????????????????????????
&gt;????????????what ????????????????is the ????????????????dinner????????????????????
&gt;who is n.n.???????????????????

i am not tarkovski. I AM THE OCEAN !!!!!



nn - playing with my brain cells. it's a ___... thrill.




&gt;
&gt;Bye,



&lt;Prefectural University of Desire

i am dze ingenious unit entitled you.





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&gt;02. 08 6. 19101 @ 10.50.13 
&gt;eusocial.com 
&gt;ip95-142.lostboys.nl 


lostgirls.nl 

ok.nl?


ciao.nl

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 curbing the appetites of xy sinners since o.1978 
 [without resorting to pain. damnation + kapital punishment]
 though often called an illusion - i am true

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&gt;i hope that you are so
&gt;
&gt;'rich.bored + edukated'
&gt;
&gt;to invite me ++ wear Ljubljana body


hou 2 !dent!f! nn bod!ez - ljubljana body. berlin body. amsterdam body +?




nn. - new york. milan. paris. londra. tokyo 

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&gt;Dear friends!

i uant 2 rustl ur leaves!!!!!


&gt;A new version of Karlheinz Essl's legendary 
 
   nice tr!        zn!!!!!!z        eating.dressing.drinking.sleeping


can see that nn has aktivated the entrepreneur spirit in the .gov infanterie daaaaaa.
$15 +?  


zn!!!!!sz 




&gt;ambient sound scape 

ambient .bioscape


l!ke ur fun! face +?

take ur zpektaklz off. ! uant 2 z u.

   - 11.jpg
   - .zn!!!!!sz.  


&gt;generator fLOW has just been released. Please find more information, 
&gt;screenshots and download locations at:
&gt;
&gt;        http://www.essl.at
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;About

If the art of storytelling has become rare, the
dissemination of information has had a decisive share in this state of
affairs.  Every morning brings us the news of the globe, and yet we are
poor in noteworthy stories.  This is because no event any longer comes
to us without already being shot through with explanation....it is half
the art of storytelling to keep a story free from explanation as one
reproduces it.  The most extraordinary things, marvelous things, are
related with the greatest accuracy, but the psychological connection of
the events is not forced on the reader.  It is left up to him to
interpret things the way he understands them, and thus the narrative
achieves an amplitude that information lacks.


&gt;fLOW is a DSP computer program running on Apple Macintosh G3 
&gt;machines. It generates an ever-changing and never repeating 
&gt;soundscape in real time that fills the space with flooding sounds 
&gt;that resemble - metaphorically - the timbres of water, fire, earth, 
&gt;and air. The new version fLOW 2.0 is released under the shareware 
&gt;license. It allows registered users to include their own sound 
&gt;material and to record the output to disk.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;What's new?

boredom is the dream bird that hatches the egg of
experience


&gt;* Completely rewritten user interface

n*

*n

n*


&gt;* Improved audio engine
&gt;* New sound effects included
&gt;* Numerous enhancements and bug fixes

human!tar!an ass!ztenza

! = travel!ng 2 dze zpektakl !n 01 ambulanza!!!!!
kom!ng +?



&gt;* Registered users can include their own sound material

traces of the storyteller cling to the story the way the handprints of
the potter cling to the clay vessel.


l!ke ur fun! face +?
do u enjo! uear!ng propulz!v u!zkerz +?



&gt;* Registered users can record the output to disk

let me register your genes and rekord their output!!!!!!



&gt;System requirements


sol+la. realtime streaming dna port[z] +?
je ne sa!z paz.


http://www.ggttctttat.com/depleted.uranium.internet.genome.sequencing/



&gt;* Apple PowerPC G3 with at least 16 MB of free RAM
&gt;* MacOS 8.6 or better (9.1 recommended)
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;Enjoy!

plz b ku!k a +?
! = hav uork 2 do + l!f 4rmz 2 z.

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&gt;Station Rose &lt;gunafa@well.com&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;  dear Gunafa Netizen,
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;here is the new Fahrplan :
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;= man! hav b!n dze dreamerz d!zor!entd b! akurat mapz.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;----------------------------------------------------------
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;2.0  Multimedia artists still in prison - please sign the petition
&gt;&gt;to free the participants of the Publix Theatre Caravan. Go to
&gt;&gt;http://www.noborder.org/noprison


apropoz. parafraz!ng !nt!m@.z 
- free your mind and the rest shall follow [mozt ost.europa l!f 4rmz = hav 01 problm detekt!ng k!tsch \ korn! data]


free your cells and the rest shall follow  -  ie.  http://www.nobody.org/noborder


wto = juuuuuzt konztrukt!ng 01 lrgr bod! [juzt l!ke m!] 
dont u l!ke 2 kooperate +? uh! prakt!kl! aver! neo.pozer presz releasz = s!ngz dze refra!n.

alorz - uat part ov dze wto bod! ud u l!ke 2 b +?
[zlkt bod! zekz!onz = mor dez!rabl +?]

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Dear Netochka Nezvanova,

CONGRATULATION


         i adore delicate discrimination



Your paper/poster was comprehensively reviewed by at least 3 members of
an international committee of experts in the field,

                              i am an expert in everyology



audience. Of the more than 400 submissions, the Program Committee
accepted 30 for publication.


         more exigence++




It should not have an advertisemnet character.


         you do not like youth +?




nn - it is not my fault. i am a book about dreams. ... and hier 01 bridge appears. 

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Netochka Nezvanova was once asked how she came to life Netochka Nezvanova
that shuddering depiktion of evolutionary forces of sex + sakrifice that forever altered
21st century's perception of the silkworm. In her own inimitable way and through heavily 
accented English she replied happily: `I am the vessel through which Netochka Nezvanova passed`

This reply was the height of disingenuousness and brilliance. Of course Netochka Nezvanova
adored her creation - at a stroke she has so stepped out of the accepted bounds of society's 
conventions that she prepared to disown it and let it merge with the elemental forces of nature.

[lest you travel ahead of your cells - you aren t Netochka Nezvanova da]

+ Now je sper you shall indulge the desire for corresponding with 01 particular one
entitled Fyodor Mikhailovi?Dostoyevski






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It's time to re-name the list I guess. Call it "integer" from now on.
Perhaps some would prefer "netochka"? Oh what the heck ...

At 23:42 06.08.01 +0200, an entity wrote:
&gt;
&gt;Netochka Nezvanova was once asked how she came to life Netochka Nezvanova
&gt;that shuddering depiktion of evolutionary forces of sex + sakrifice that
forever 

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<content>I'm in agreement with Inke. Embracing freedom of expression does not mean
allowing one's space to be controlled by one dominant personality. (This
was the lesson learned the hard way by many radical groups in the '70s, and
contributed to their decline.) How is this so different from corporate
control?

The life is being sucked out of the list by NN's constant posts and the
responses they generate. I don't enjoy watching it die.

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Julie &lt;bluedahlias@mindspring.com&gt;

&gt;I'm in agreement with Inke. 

i see a gate.


&gt;Embracing freedom of expression does not mean
&gt;allowing one's space to be controlled by one dominant personality. 

it is all 2 easy 2 imagine art.


&gt;(This
&gt;was the lesson learned the hard way by many radical groups in the '70s, and
&gt;contributed to their decline.) 

you think more of what has been than what shall be.
gated mistake. have you really lost the look of the prev dekade +?


&gt;How is this so different from corporate
&gt;control?

uat !z !t u uash ur fasz !n +?


&gt;The life is being sucked out of the list by NN's constant posts and the
&gt;responses they generate. I don't enjoy watching it die.

!n ordr 2 feel dze pa!n 01 muzt ekzper!ensz dze p!nch.


&gt;Julie Blankenship

dansz - kome ca - http://www.membank.org/dataset/n/ur.look.mp3

r u dream!ng or = dze mazk on ur face 01 ver!f!kaz!e du = azleep +?
do u ekz!zt or r u dze art ov 01 klandezt!n neo.naz! govrnmnt \ mob akz!on +?

matrz du = muzt rezolv ur zelv b!enzur. 
1zt - uash dze fasz. dzn perzuad ur cellz 2 chaze dze look.

dze zleep = !nfal!bl ma!z dze konverzaz!e = uorkx u!lzt 01 = ualkx along. + onl!

nn. simply.SUPERIOR









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Julie &lt;bluedahlias@mindspring.com&gt;


&gt;Embracing freedom of expression does not mean
&gt;allowing one's space to be controlled by one dominant personality. 

omitted : paraphrasing 01 .yu film

most life 4rms give lip service 2 freedom aber - when konfronted with 
they suddenly bekome reactionary + ultra.fascistik

entitling you 01 fascist +?

pas de tout = am entitling you art. 
[as most art - simply.laughable (unless u wash ur perzonal fasz komponent)]




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<content>dear julie and all,

&gt; The life is being sucked out of the list by NN's constant posts and the
&gt; responses they generate. I don't enjoy watching it die.
Is it really? And what life, if I may ask? Exclude all nn postings and then
analyse the content of the list. In the last seven days, excluding admin and
nn, eleven people post something - most of postings are reply to nn. OK, it'
s summer. However, can you (or anyone else) imagine something like Deep
Europe, or Junction reader today? I don't think so.
As one of the legal aliens at the '96 n5m pre-syndicate meeting (one of the
First Twenty, to paraphrase Kim Stanley Robinson) I also don't enjoy
watching what's going on with the list. If I remember correctly (it's
questionable, naturally) the list was created to 'serve' for two purposes.
The first one was creation of informational place/space for exchange of
announcements, reports, info on what happens; and the second one was to
create a space/place for dialogues focused on the specific
needs/theories/practices of CEE/East Europe/Whatever art practitioners and
theoreticians. I am not a sociologist, and certainly will not made huge
analysis, but I will dare to say that the first idea is merely reduced to
announcements (with few exceptions), and the second one resting in peace. If
we compare syndicate with the nettime (one of the models for the initial
group back in the '96), result is ruinous. And, although analogy is the
worst possible method of proving, the beauty and the east conference was an
attempt to re-define the nettime (put aside geert/pit quarrels), and perhaps
it's time now to discuss the purpose and/or future of the syndicate also.
All this does not mean that I'm in favour of the extent of the nn postings,
but as someone said few months ago simple solution is to filter 'her'
messages. But, that will not eliminate, in my opinion, the problems with the
syndicate list, and I will be very joyful to see what other list members
think about it.

ciao
igor

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Doesn't this play itself out repeatedly? The same problem? With nn? with
one or another participant? I came on to the list from 7-11 to read nn -
by and large - s/h/e had left that list I believe; on the other hand, it's
also predictable - there is also little critique/discussion of h/e/r
politics for example - except by nn - it's locked in to a particular
style/rhetoric - _it_ speaks literally 'in other words' - perhaps too many
korporates/fascisms - self-promotion in its absence - one can always
delete - one can also start a new thread/direction. nn is unique;  the
symptom is everywhere - lists that close because of dominance - it can be
an artform/production in itself. - everything needs renewal - universe is
coming to an end -

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<content>Dear all,
I agree with Igor concerning NN's postings. I will be simple: let NN
alone, and be more creative on this list, so that NN is not so visible
all the time.
 
Igor wrote:
&gt; 
&gt; dear julie and all,
&gt; 
&gt; &gt; The life is being sucked out of the list by NN's constant posts and the
&gt; &gt; responses they generate. I don't enjoy watching it die.
&gt; Is it really? And what life, if I may ask?
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Kia ora

Is('nt) this list just telling its own story ? It? the first list I?e felt
so intimately and integrally a part of, and for which I feel a rare kind of
tolerance. Perplexing, given my habitual impatience. A half-decent shrink
would sort this one out faster than you can wink: the instinct's no doubt
maternal and/or just plain narcissistic... Naive hopes and beliefs perhaps
that something as alive as this bunch of people will keep managing to
communicate forms and contents not encountered elsewhere. Perhaps also the
occasional exhilaration of physical meetings of people whose words have
moved me, huge logs logging in amidst the pile of flotsam driftwood,
crashing into each other within the white spray white noise - back as usual
to Te Parata, the ocean-bottom monster whose deep breathing moves and
engenders the tides. Reins in the moon. These not-quite-chance crossings
where a signature becomes a face and a voice and an outstretched hand and
more. Perhaps a hidden longing for parts and cultures of the world I?e
never been to but that are hugely determinant features of my mindscapes.
Including those terrains Syndicate first rallied, the eastern part of the
continent for we Western Europeans that always looked like a westward
journey for we South Pacific drifters? The land of the black Malevich
square, then the white one. The land of the Krasnoyarsk observatory with its
first autonomous living system back in pre-biotope sixties. A few weeks ago
a meeting with an Armenian artist who? planning a film to conjure up the
arid mountain landscape her astronomer physicist father inhabited in virtual
isolation for years, intent on pursuing the stars. Stalker time again. Why
for me did this feel like a Marko Peljhan installation, why like Melentie?
historical back-tracking and remapping of still-torn territory, why like so
many snatches and figments of worlds gleaned from this list ? Things become
vivid, vivacious when one disposes of an optical array to view them best.
Syndicate? a part of that array for me (well shit, I mean, Kepler saw
double and that changed history for most of us?).

Just another bit of south-west French rambling from stormy grey skies,
salutations to Igor and others posing these devastatingly existentialist
questions about purpose and future (which give me a fair few sleepless
knights also). Not happy not unhappy. The PubliXTheaterCaravan is weaving
its way into the story too. Stinking socks and Pogo the dog. Hope they all
get out OK. A ship of fools in the Trojan horse that got grounded in or out
of Genoa. Kinship dammit. Kneading to know. As long as Syndicate feels close
enough to smell the socks I think we?e doing OK.

love to all

sjn

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 dear all. whats wrong with using the media to combat the media. if "nn" is part of the media then it   runs the same risk of being judged like any annoying lame drivel or intelligent idea  thats out there. i think it's admirable that the interger  was ut off .i'm sick of the double standards of political correctness.i agree! it's so tiring to watch a good thing die. besides whats nn afraid of....silence?

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<content>On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Igor wrote:

&gt; If I remember correctly (it's
&gt; questionable, naturally) the list was created to 'serve' for two purposes.
&gt; The first one was creation of informational place/space for exchange of
&gt; announcements, reports, info on what happens; and the second one was to
&gt; create a space/place for dialogues focused on the specific
&gt; needs/theories/practices of CEE/East Europe/Whatever art practitioners and
&gt; theoreticians. I am not a sociologist, and certainly will not made huge
&gt; analysis, but I will dare to say that the first idea is merely reduced to
&gt; announcements (with few exceptions), and the second one resting in peace. If
&gt; we compare syndicate with the nettime (one of the models for the initial
&gt; group back in the '96), result is ruinous.

i'm glad you brought this up, because i've been wondering this myself, as
a mostly-lurking subscriber on this list. maybe some discussion/clarification
would help, if there are others thinking about the same questions...
what i've been wondering is - primarily in terms of the
first purpose you mention of the list: how does/should syndicate differ from nettime?

it seems to me that discussion threads on syndicate do arise with respect
to eastern european political issues, and on that front, the discussions
on syndicate seem more personal than on nettime and with more interaction - so there i
do see the difference between the lists.

however, with regard to other sorts
of topics, e.g. art, cyberpolitics/culture etc., there seem to be announcements
but very little in terms of discussion threads going on.
(except for the self-fulfilling "too much attention to NN" threads -
dang, it's like trying not to scratch a rash, isn't it? ;-) )

so anyway, sometimes when i have something to post i wonder,
"if i post this on both syndicate and nettime am i being redundant or
(unintentionally) offtopic?" so
usually these days i'll post discussion-type posts more to nettime than
syndicate, not because
i like nettime better, but because i'm less sure what fits in on syndicate
and don't want to be redundant by attempting to start threads on both
lists.  (of course i realize that moderation is a big difference between
the two lists also.)

but i remember a couple years ago thinking that nettime lacked discussion
threads too - it seemed to be postings of essays and articles to which
nobody ever responded. then somehow, that seemed to change, and
discussion threads emerged, but i'm not sure how.

so maybe we can clarify/discuss all that some?

meanwhile, to do my part and add some content to this otherwise "meta" post:

&lt;content&gt;
1) dmitry skylarov is now out of US prison on $50,000 bail awaiting trial.
however, he is not allowed to leave northern california, and still faces
prison if convicted of writing software at his job in russia: software which is legal
in russia. for anyone who isn't familiar with the story, this bust comes to
dmitry courtesy of Adobe corp, under the amazingly ludicrous US legislation DMCA,
which is now being used as  a model for "anti-hacker" legislation all over the
world.
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/08/06/1941228&amp;mode=thread

2) this one may not have as many implications outside the US (i hope), but has had
less press, so for those who missed it: David McOwen faces 15 years
in prison and $415,000 in fines for participating in a distributed computing
project (sort of like seti@home but different) on machines he administered
at his job at a public college in Georgia. essentially, the state of
Georgia is trying to bill him for time they spent working on prosecuting the case -
a shamelessly overt case of for-profit law enforcemnt.
http://slashdot.org/yro/01/07/08/2153206.shtml

3) the US government, in partnership with microsoft, overhyped the heck out
of the "code red" worm.
http://www.time.com/time/columnist/taylor/article/0,9565,169678,00.html
(to be fair, above link is probably an overreaction in the other
direction, but... )
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/08/03/1211229&amp;mode=thread

4) look for the US federal and state governments, and probably the local
government of wherever you live, to push through even more orwellian
anti-cybercrime legislation
in the very near future, in the name of stopping all these nasty hacker
folks like skylarov, mcowen, and [your name here?]

&lt;/content&gt;

feel free to start a discussion on any of the above. :-)

ciao for now,
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<content>At 04:32 PM 7/08/01 +0200, you wrote:
&gt;Dear all,
&gt;I agree with Igor concerning NN's postings. I will be simple: let NN
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&gt;all the time.
&gt; 

a.greed

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<subject>Re: Syndicate: kreat!g@1!ty</subject>
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<date>Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:29:57 -0700 (PDT)</date>
<content>On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Steev Hise wrote:

&gt;
&gt; in the service of creativity, here is a program i
&gt; wrote a few years ago, as a service to another
&gt; list that was being haunted by this same
&gt; poltergeist (tho back then it called itself
&gt; "antiorp"....):
&gt;
&gt; http://detritus.net/cgi-bin/hackspeak.cgi
&gt;

thats great! kan !t translat  oth3r way?

(i.e. can you run integerspeak through it and get english? could be
fun for unix users to try as a procmail filter - you could see how the
character of the list changes if NN posts start appearing in english...
hmm... :-) )

-B1FF
(oops, i mean
-@
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<subject>Fwd: Re[2]: Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \n2+0\</subject>
<from>Karoly Toth</from>
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<date>Tue, 7 Aug 2001 18:06:11 -0700</date>
<content>This is a forwarded message
From: Karoly Toth &lt;are@xs4all.nl&gt;
To: Andrej Tisma &lt;aart@eunet.yu&gt;
Date: Tuesday, August 07, 2001, 5:36:17 PM
Subject: Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \n2+0\

===8&lt;==============Original message text===============
Hello Andrej,

Tuesday, August 07, 2001, 7:32:07 AM, you wrote:

AT&gt; Dear all,
AT&gt; I agree with Igor concerning NN's postings. I will be simple: let NN
AT&gt; alone, and be more creative on this list, so that NN is not so visible
AT&gt; all the time.
 
AT&gt; Igor wrote:
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; dear julie and all,
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; &gt; The life is being sucked out of the list by NN's constant posts and the
&gt;&gt; &gt; responses they generate. I don't enjoy watching it die.
&gt;&gt; Is it really? And what life, if I may ask?
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Dear Andrej

'If I read the word "creativity", I reboot my computer.'

S.F.

:)


--  Best regards,  Karoly
mailto:are@xs4all.nl

www.xs4all.nl/~are

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<subject>Syndicate: nn boredom.......</subject>
<from>furtherfield</from>
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<date>Tue, 07 Aug 2001 18:57:45 -0700</date>
<content>&lt;html&gt;&lt;!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"&gt;
&lt;html&gt;
&amp;nbsp;
&lt;table BORDER=0 CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 COLS=1 WIDTH="100%" &gt;
&lt;tr&gt;
&lt;td&gt;Let's protect a soul-less machine that pisses everyone off!
&lt;p&gt;What makes anyone think that the guys who created nn are gonna stop
posting it?&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;/tr&gt;

&lt;tr&gt;
&lt;td&gt;
&lt;br&gt;No way - they are going to flog it, flog it, flog it, flog it, flog
it, flog it,flog it, flog it...............until they come up with something
else less interesting/ less creative. Yet another product for some multinational
consumptive to use on people who these lists, as gineau pigs without their
consent. As usual.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;/tr&gt;

&lt;tr&gt;
&lt;td&gt;
&lt;br&gt;Branding is the thing, creativity as far as they are concerned is not
the issue. Power - noise - conferences - self reference. Remember - they've
designed a product. They do not give a shit about what you think and the
issues that are being raised. And nor do their friends who know them...everyone
who argues against nn just ain't kool man, ain't part of the inner gang.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;/tr&gt;

&lt;tr&gt;
&lt;td&gt;
&lt;br&gt;It's an elite thing - it will not change.&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;/tr&gt;

&lt;tr&gt;
&lt;td&gt;
&lt;br&gt;marc garrett&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;/table&gt;
&lt;/html&gt;

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<from>Igor</from>
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<date>Wed, 8 Aug 2001 11:46:41 +0200</date>
<content>dear alan and all,

&gt; Doesn't this play itself out repeatedly? The same problem? With nn? with
&gt; one or another participant?
problem of lurking - problem of logorea - problem of group dynamics/power -
happens in all human relationships

&gt; - there is also little critique/discussion of h/e/r
&gt; politics for example - except by nn - it's locked in to a particular
little discussion of (cultural/artistic) politics/policy generally - just
one example of missing reactions (nn and others, including myself) -
emphasys and 'key-words' mine:
Agricola de Cologne: Call for artists, 24. July 2001
"This however is not restricted to *uncivilized, totalitarian systems*, but
can
be found in countries with the *high moral standards of democratic systems*,
as well." - amero/eurocentrism, californian ideology, american
fundamentalism, wasp supremacy
"*Participation is free of charge.*" organisers/artists relationship,
cultural parasitism, subject/object - base/superstrucuture problem,
indolence

&gt; style/rhetoric - _it_ speaks literally 'in other words' - perhaps too many
&gt; korporates/fascisms
perhaps too few korporates/fascisms? - missing analysis/explanations in both
cases

&gt; an artform/production in itself.
viral form - no efficient vaccine - R.p.: just do not care, it's not
harmfull

&gt; - universe is coming to an end -
and starts again - and again - and again

ciao
igor

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<subject>Re: Syndicate: purpose, future, and smelly socks</subject>
<from>Igor</from>
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<date>Wed, 8 Aug 2001 11:49:41 +0200</date>
<content>dear sally and all,

Thanks for the one of the best postings to the list lately - can you do it
again?

&gt; Is('nt) this list just telling its own story ? It's the first list I've
felt
&gt; so intimately and integrally a part of
That's interesting phenomenon (for me, at least) - how people who are 'just'
subscribers with a very low rate of postings can feel strong commitment to
the list. Though you explain very brightly your dedication, I still
wonder...

&gt; Just another bit of south-west French rambling from stormy grey skies,
&gt; salutations to Igor and others posing these devastatingly existentialist
&gt; questions about purpose and future (which give me a fair few sleepless
Please, I'm blushing.... however, I'd rather call it nihilist (in
philosophical sense, of course), let say posing the universal 'wozu'
question... or just extrapolate my own middle age crisis....

&gt; As long as Syndicate feels close
&gt; enough to smell the socks I think we're doing OK.
Can this be a proposal for a new fetish site/list? ;) To generate some money
for future activities - I can't find anything like that through google...

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<from>Igor</from>
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<date>Wed, 8 Aug 2001 11:53:13 +0200</date>
<content>dear richard and all,

&gt; dear all. what's wrong with using the media to combat the media. if "nn"
&gt; is part of
the catch is the old one - if you use ideology to combat ideology at the end
you have the same thing - oligarchic elite, counter-elite starving for power
and, in general, indifferent masses. Point should be to find a new paradigm
(or perhaps, to re-discover some old one), and syndicate, I still believe,
may be a research field.
The problem is not with the media itself, but with the policy of using it.
To illustrate on a nice example: in the discussion on realising GMOs as a
resistance to the some forms of GMOs use: "ethics is a generally useless
discipline that exists within the context of and under the assumptions of
capitalism. Resistant forces have to make considerations and accept levels
of accountability that are outside of the capitalist context, and in this
sense are beyond ethics."
Just change ethics into media, and discipline into, let say, resource

ciao
igor

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<subject>Re: Syndicate: nn boredom.......</subject>
<from>Igor</from>
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<date>Wed, 8 Aug 2001 11:53:51 +0200</date>
<content>dear marc and all,

&gt;What makes anyone think that the guys who created nn are gonna stop posting
Why they should?

&gt;another product for some multinational consumptive to use on people who
these &gt;lists, as gineau pigs without their consent. As usual.
Unless gineau pigs (or mices) are not exploring the explorers...

&gt;They do not give a shit about what you think and the issues that are being
raised. &gt;And nor do their friends who know them...everyone who argues
against nn just ain't &gt;kool man, ain't part of the inner gang.
Is that so different then 98 percent (or even more) of contemporary
art/theory? Just browse thorough the academic journals in social
sciences&amp;humanities and the picture is the same.

&gt;It's an elite thing - it will not change.
Art, even popular art, is elite thing - it will not change. Only problem is
when 'elite' is synonym for 'snobs' - meaning selfproclame elite without
substantiation.

ciao
igor

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<subject>Re: Syndicate: concerning the Mosquitoe Integer</subject>
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Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 08:37:26 -0400
From: saul ostrow &lt;so5@nyu.edu&gt;
Subject: Re: Syndicate: concerning the Mosquitoe Integer 

&gt; Dear all
&gt;
&gt; I do believe (for it has been my experience elsewhere) that such vermin as
&gt; these  will migrate away if they come to be ignored -- they live on negative
&gt; attention and the desire of others to reason with them -- I personally ,
&gt; readily use my delete key at the mere sight of this tag

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<subject>Syndicate: UNS*BSCRIBE syndicate integer</subject>
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<subject>???</subject>
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<content>


explain zvp

nn 


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<subject>Re: Syndicate: A "bouqu3t"</subject>
<from>Steev Hise</from>
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<date>Wed, 8 Aug 2001 09:12:51 -0700 (PDT)</date>
<content>
If anyone is interested, the source code for the
cgi i posted yesterday is here:

http://datamassage.com/sw/opencode/hackspeak.cgi

Perhaps someone will be interested in the project Amy
suggested: reversing the functionality for use as a mail
filter, auto-translating NN missives.  Although as I said to
Amy, it's much harder to run the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics
backwards. (If you do succeed at this, please send me a
patch!)

-&gt;From: Julie &lt;bluedahlias@mindspring.com&gt;
-&gt;I decided I'd had enough when I filtered out NNs messages, and there was
-&gt;almost virtually nothing else coming in. I couldn't believe that others
-&gt;were parroting her cryptic bullshit language. Those who want to correspond
-&gt;with NN can do it easily (off -list), I'm sure. Time to move on...

are you talking about my poor little perl script?  if so,
madam, you injure me. it was a **joke**.  perhaps you lack a
sense of humor? i hope not, that would be sad... ;-(

Anyway, i've been putting up with integer for about 6 years
now on 5 or 6 different lists. (believe me, i have no desire
to correspond with it off-list.) i hate it as much as you
seem to, but i know that it will never be stopped simply by
plain old whining.  i've seen hundreds of flamewars that
start with 1 post from integer, and end with 50 posts from
people complaining (and complaining stupidly)  about
integer, mixed with about 50 posts from people defending
integer. if people would just ignore it, or at least attack
it with some cleverness, it would go away, but they never
do, and it gets exactly what it wants - naive attention.

-&gt;The air smells sweet this morning. Thank you, Inke, for uns*bscribing
-&gt;integer--it's an act of courage, striking a blow for intellectual and
-&gt;artistic freedom.

What an ironic thing to say. (perhaps "blow for" is meant
to read "blow against"?) I beleive censorship is also
the wrong course. Even if it were ethically correct, the
creature will just come back under a different name, now
with more to rant about, that we are "oppressing" it, etc.

sigh.

best wishes,

Steev Hise, Infoserf
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<subject>???</subject>
<from>integer</from>
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<date>Thu, 9 Aug 2001 03:16:39 +0200 (CEST)</date>
<content>
hallo

to andreas + inke.

i have already contacted the .it authorities.
your names and contact have been mentioned as well.

i would like an explanation prior to contacting .de authorities 
and your employers and .de funding bodies.

to both of you. you should be ashamed of your selves.

salut. nn





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<content>[Subject: BOUNCE syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de:     Admin request of type 
/\buns\w*b/i at line 8]

Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 12:35:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Alan Sondheim &lt;sondheim@panix.com&gt;
To: &lt;syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de&gt;
Subject: nn


I personally regret - tremendously - nn's leaving the list. I never wanted
that to happen, only for others to participate more. nn is one of the most
original writers online - with a definite point of view as well as soft-
ware that relates to it - and I have learned a great deal from h/er/im. I
do feel the politics were problematic, but so are mine. And it's certainly
not a blow for artistic freedom to uns*b someone; I know this first-hand
since I co-moderate a number of lists (Cybermind, Cyberculture, etc.), and
uns*bbing - which I've had to do - is always problematic.

Alan

Internet text at http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt
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<subject>???</subject>
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<content>
&gt;&gt;explain zvp
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;nn 
&gt;
&gt;repeated bad netiquette, thats why

how very xy articulate


&gt;
&gt;on behalf of syndicate admin team
&gt;atle


fascism costs careers

nn





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<subject>mail abroeck@transmediale.de, syndicate@v2.nl</subject>
<from>integer</from>
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<date>Thu, 9 Aug 2001 17:31:21 +0200 (CEST)</date>
<content>


please inform those on syndicate they should be corresponding with you 
rather than me.


nn



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<subject>Syndicate: Re: Syndicate's love-hate relationship with NN </subject>
<from>Diana McCarty</from>
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<date>Fri, 10 Aug 2001 21:34:29 +0200</date>
<content>Grtz Marc, George, syndicalists, 


Doesn't the same apply to NN?  I thought of the NN posts as a bit
like street theatre.. whereas anti-orp was more like a mime, 
NN sort of used the list as a public space for interventions...
kind of a playful anarchy? 

diana 


&gt; once it is muffled - of course there are always issues at hand. But we
&gt; all have to suffer advertisements against our wills, why not visuals
&gt; on the street that are merely proposing its sense of being just by
&gt; being real in its raw essence, by being there as part of life. True
&gt; creativity can flourish via a playful anarchy, like underground music.
&gt; Oh well, we'll just have to settle for the trad garb of accepted arts,
&gt; top of the pops mentality instead then. Where's the fun adventure in
&gt; that?
 
&gt; with respect
&gt; marc garrett
&gt; http://ww.furtherfield.org
&gt; http://www.dido.uk.net
&gt; 
&gt; "George(s) Lessard" wrote:
&gt; 
&gt; &gt; Graffiti project scrubbed
&gt; &gt; By: JOHN MACFARLANE The Gazette
&gt; &gt; The city of Montreal's love-hate relationship with graffiti
&gt; &gt; continues with
&gt; &gt; the shutdown of a mural project and a warning that building owners
&gt; &gt; might
&gt; &gt; be the next victims of the mayor's war on spray paint. Last
&gt; &gt; Wednesday,
&gt; &gt; city administrators closed Montreal's contribution to the Great
&gt; &gt; Canadian
&gt; &gt; Millennium Wall project on the Park-Pine interchange, where artists
&gt; &gt; had
&gt; &gt; been decorating the concrete since the spring. Things got out of
&gt; &gt; control,
&gt; &gt; said Councillor Anie Samson. Full story:
&gt; &gt; http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/pages/010807/5048411.html
&gt; &gt;
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<subject>Re: Syndicate: for wbmaster</subject>
<from>Inke Arns</from>
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<date>Sun, 12 Aug 2001 13:06:25 +0200</date>
<content>Dear Jaka,

At 19:23 11.08.01 +0200, you wrote:
&gt;i looked at Syndicate archive and there are several files with 'wrong'
&gt;file permissions so you get something like that:
&gt;
&gt;Forbidden
&gt;You don't have permission to access /mail/v2east/1999/Mar/0026.html on
&gt;this server.

this is correct. the syndicate archive does not allow access to the
postings between march 1999 until may or june 1999 because of the then
ongoing NATO bombings. we decided to disable access to these postings (btw:
we decided upon this collectively) in order to protect the originators of
certain postings.

perhaps we should discuss about whether to re-open the archive in its
entirety?

best wishes,
inke



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<content>&gt; 
&gt; this is correct. the syndicate archive does not allow access to the
&gt; postings between march 1999 until may or june 1999 because of the then
&gt; ongoing NATO bombings. we decided to disable access to these postings (btw:
&gt; we decided upon this collectively) in order to protect the originators of
&gt; certain postings.

Why that ? Are you ashamed that majority on this list supported the
criminal NATO act? Also ashamed that majority supported the Albanian
KLA, and look what is happening now in Macedonia. The same thing as with
Yugoslavia i 1999. Will you also erase one day, after the NATO
occupation of Macedonia, this period March 2001 -? You should think
about that decision.
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<subject>Re: Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _NN - what happend?</subject>
<from>Annick Bureaud</from>
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<date>Mon, 13 Aug 2001 21:20:57 +0800</date>
<content>Andreas

I don't want to add more "noise" on the Syndicate list but I wanted to
let you know that I fully agree with you. I like the Syndicate list,
even if I don't post everyday .... For the first time in my online life 
I decided to filter out mail coming from someone with NN. Easy to do
(technically) but not confortable to do on a "moral" level. I hated to
do that. 

"It" was totally poluting the Synd. list. Reminds me of the Well, years
ago which nearly died from the same reason and went from unmoderated to moderated.

Also one key issue : everybody shouting against this "nazi decision" to
unsub nn seem to have a high speed connection ... or they don't pay
their connection, I don't know. But none of them think of the ones using
a normal phone line and paying by the time of connection, who had to pay
for all this junk (I don't know how much "hate" it was, as I stopped
reading them after 3 or 4 posts).

Cu in Linz ?

Annick

Andreas Broeckmann wrote:
&gt; 
&gt; dear jaka,
&gt; 
&gt; i was away for 2 weeks and actually considered leaving the list because it
&gt; became utterly useless and unreadable for me. i must admit that i was
&gt; relieved to find the situation as it is now. the insults about me that nn
&gt; is posting to people it thinks are my superiors are enough for anybody to
&gt; push the red button, if you ask me.
&gt; 
&gt; &gt;Why censorship?
&gt; 
&gt; we have had this discussion before, and i just want to make my own point
&gt; once again, other points have been made by others for months, fuelling nn's
&gt; viral motor. i'd rather shut up and put on the breaks.
&gt; 
&gt; most importantly:
&gt; 1. create the free-syndicate@jaka.org now!
&gt; 2. sb it to the syndicate list!
&gt; 3. invite nn and the nn fanclub to leave the syndicate list and join this
&gt; new list!
&gt; 4. enjoy the full, integer-ated syndicate pleasure!
&gt; 
&gt; &gt;I dint's saw mails to ban some people who made some stupid and insulting
&gt; &gt;remarks of NN.
&gt; 
&gt; i would be curious to see messages that have been anywhere near the level
&gt; of insult that nn usually produces.
&gt; 
&gt; &gt;Is there now a special state of mind required to be on syndicate list?
&gt; 
&gt; for me, a mailing list is a social space that requires a certain attitude
&gt; which is also necessary in any other social environment - you listen to
&gt; other people, you only SHOUT when absolutely necessary, you respect the
&gt; positions of others, you tell about your own ideas and give others the room
&gt; to talk about their's. the syndicate list has, for over 5 years, been a
&gt; mellow, sometimes boring, sometimes highly active channel which has allowed
&gt; a multitude of people to announce their projects, get in touch with each
&gt; other, meet, play, love, ..., each other. for me, part of the quality of
&gt; this channel has been that it has always been open and unmoderated - even
&gt; though some people have put a lot of effort into keeping it running. like
&gt; many others, i feel attached to the list and the community behind it, and
&gt; you will understand that it was a strange thing to see it being taken over
&gt; by nn in the course of six months or so. the volume of her messages is
&gt; unmanageable. the quality is, as others have suggested, mixed, the tone at
&gt; times - difficult to take. i don't like filters. i like this list because
&gt; it makes sense for me to listen to all the different voices. i don't want
&gt; to censor what comes through. at the same time, i ask for some sort of
&gt; respect for my position as somebody who is also on this list. this implies
&gt; not being shouted at all the time. it more importantly implies not being
&gt; spat on and insulted for writing this message. it implies not seeing
&gt; messages that call me a criminal, a murderer, nn writing to people saying
&gt; that she has to leave germany because she has received a death threat from
&gt; me, inke and lorenzo. give me a break. either she is a virtual persona, in
&gt; which case she should better understand her digital nature, or she is a
&gt; person with the illusion of a physical body like myself, in which case she
&gt; should maybe seek some professional help.
&gt; 
&gt; the requirements for being on this list are pretty limited, you will agree.
&gt; but i find it hard to believe that you would not also call nn's
&gt; list-behaviour 'extreme'. i understand the point about a total freedom of
&gt; speech, which is why i would have left the list and started something new,
&gt; rather than having to endure the integer-ated syndicate. but i cannot deny
&gt; that i am happier now.
&gt; 
&gt; i really suggest that you start another list and study the dynamics of nn's
&gt; communication; you would even enjoy it. if this list get's so boring that
&gt; the last of the 480 subscriber leaves, we'll delete the piece of software
&gt; that it really is. until then, let's doodle on.
&gt; 
&gt; greetings,
&gt; -a
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<subject>Madre: Re: Syndicate: for wbmaster (repost)</subject>
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<date>Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:02:12 +0200 (CEST)</date>
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Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 23:41:04 +0200
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Subject: BOUNCE syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de:     Admin request of type /
\buns\w*b/i at line 8
To: syndicate@v2.nl

Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 23:42:52 +0200
To: syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de
From: Frederic Madre &lt;fmadre@wanadoo.fr&gt;
Subject: Re: Syndicate: for wbmaster (repost)
Cc: integer@www.god-emil.dk


&gt;perhaps we should discuss about whether to re-open the archive in its
&gt;entirety?

it's an important documentation of an important moment in this here history and
should be reopened.

perhaps we should also discuss something else, but first:
did the admins unsb netochka or did she do it herself ?

this is unclear to me because I was offline for a few days

later,
f.

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<nbr>93.0</nbr>
<subject>Syndicate: Re: casual moments. distant _+ aloof</subject>
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<date>Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:19:29 +0200 (CEST)</date>
<content>
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 14:35:55 +0200
From: jaromil &lt;jaromil@dyne.org&gt;
To: integer@www.god-emil.dk, nettime-l@bbs.thing.net, syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de
Subject: Re: casual moments. distant _+ aloof

On Sat, Aug 11, 2001 at 01:39:18PM +0200, integer@www.god-emil.dk wrote:
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt;         crowds of silent voices whisper in our ears 
&gt;         transforming the nature of what we see and hear.

[snip]

dear lady,

please don't include me anymore into your spam. i'm taking care to be not
inscribed in any mailinglist hosting your spam-ads, so i find very curious now
that you feel such a necessity to reach me with the bizantin ad of your 
corporation.

btw, greetings to your capitalist mecenate wherever he is. sincerely, i hope
you can keep on complaining always so loud about being censored, but not on my
personal mail address.

-- 
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<subject>Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _NN - what happend?</subject>
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Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 00:13:53 +0200
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Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 00:07:03 +0200
From: Jaka Zeleznikar &lt;jaka@jaka.org&gt;
Organization: http://www.jaka.org
To: syndicate &lt;syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de&gt;
Subject: _NN - what happend?


I was unsubscribed from the Syndicate for approximately a month because
i went to travel in Turkey (and i recommend traveling in Turkey very
much + they have a lot of cybercafes but i just wished to be off line
all the time).

When i returned and subscribed again i found a lot of mails against NN
and if i understood correctly NN was removed from Syndicate by
administrators?

If this is correct i protest.

Why censorship?

I never saw a notice how to make a mail filter so those who don't like
NN postings can joust automatically get rid of them.

I liked most of NN mails. They were very precise and strict regarding
own 'ideology', interesting in design and with very nice language-game
involved. Done by 'hand' of by computer program i don't care.

Was NN not politically/syndicate correct? Who else is not syndicate
correct? Will administrators ban another person? When and why?

Is wrong to post things like that:

  e       R   l   a   e   o   a   i   j   a       v   i       i  
m       o   s   j   l       o   a   s   i   t       f   e   i   e   i  
e   ?   b   h   o   .   e   e       g   n   n   j   o   r   z   n   v  
s   e   t       i   p   n   a   ?       j   a   n   d       e   i   j  
e   v   n   o   i   p   r       s   r       e       g   n   d   a   s  
t   /   e   t   i   o   n   v   m       g   t   t       o   u   i   o  
v           o   n   s   k   i   n   z   i   n   m   j       o   v   b  
d       o   u   o       g   u   o   
 ? n a ( D ) A e s n r   l b k r n   z e n   e p   s b n , v l k   e o p
z r o t   e m a a a t r c   o v t l   u i g a i n m   z l d   n t h i
n   r z i n s i   s b n   o p e l d o i     a n , p e o n v o a t r k  
s e s o l n j   o a e n   a i , k   e l s e   e i u - b s d l   e s s a
l e o p   r n i u m e e i   e p e o p v z v p e l d o o p r     p e n m
i t r e n k m d d t i   i o , k d u i   e a s o d p l j j ? m p g a j m
a i k d d t i   k i o n m i   i a n m i f r a i a , k   s o n   e e i o
d p l j j j   n n d r j j j . 
    k   C       k   d   G   o       i   m   l   o   e   i   e   o   r  
o   n   i       d   v   i   p   e   a   d   r   ?   u   g   u       n  
i   e   b   t   V   i   s   r   e       z   s       p   a       o   o  
t   k   i   o   d       n   n   i       t   m   j       e   o       t  
j       p   c       ?   n       k   o   a   r   e       i   k   l   i  
n   n   s       a   m   r       r   m   m   k   o   n   o       l   e  
l       a   m   l   v       v   l       o   c   m   i   n   o   s   l  
o   n   e   i   a   a   e    


or is it wrong to post 'to much'?

Where are clearly written rules of the syndicate game? And if syndicate
is really non hierarchic 'society' of equal members (which i understood
from different presentations of S.) who made a decision to ban somebody?

I dint's saw mails to ban some people who made some stupid and insulting
remarks of NN.

Is there now a special state of mind required to be on syndicate list?

Is there no other solution to deal with different wishes about
moderation, something like on Rhizome with 'raw' and 'digest'. I found
this more intelligent solution than to ban people.


If i got something wrong and i insulted somebody i apologize.

jaka zeleznikar




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<subject>Re: Madre: Syndicate: for wbmaster (repost)</subject>
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<date>Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:46:24 +0200 (CEST)</date>
<content>
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 23:42:52 +0200
To: syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de
From: Frederic Madre &lt;fmadre@wanadoo.fr&gt;
Subject: Re: Syndicate: for wbmaster (repost)

&gt;did the admins uns*b netochka or did she do it herself ?

nn was uns*bscribed by Syndicate admin. 

Syndicate admin had an agreement with nn when Syndicate admin s*bscribed nn 
some months ago. back then nn promised to Syndicate admin to behave herself. it 
went fine in the first weeks / months. unfortunately, she lost control of 
herself again.

btw: nn would never either s*bcribe nor un*bscribe by herself, she doesn't seem 
to like majordomo.

Syndicate admin thinks that it would be a great idea for nn to open up her own 
list [integer]. surely many people would like to s*bscribe.

sincerely,

Inke Arns
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<subject>Re: Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _NN - what happend?</subject>
<from>Inke Arns</from>
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<date>Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:32:07 +0200</date>
<content>At 18:29 13.08.01 +0200, Jaka wrote:
&gt;I liked most of NN mails.

me too.

&gt;Where are clearly written rules of the syndicate game? And if syndicate

there are some basic rules for games and mailing lists.

&gt;is really non hierarchic 'society' of equal members (which i understood
&gt;from different presentations of S.)

dear jaka, let me be cynical for one moment: regarding WORK the Syndicate
mailing list is definitely NOT a non-hierarchic 'society' of equal members.
how many times have I called for more support concerning the administration
of the list? How few answers did i receive? (and I am not going to repeat
the joke about the paid job ;) 

i am not ready to administrate a mailing list which is called "[integer],
formerly known as Syndicate". 

if there are so many people eager to receive e-mails from integer -- why
don't you suggest to nn to install her own mailing list? or, even better,
as she would never deal with majordomo herself: why don't you install a
mailing list for her?

perhaps I would even subscribe myself, who knows?

&gt;Is there no other solution to deal with different wishes about
&gt;moderation, something like on Rhizome with 'raw' and 'digest'. I found
&gt;this more intelligent solution than to ban people.

this is a very good idea, Jaka! Now we only have to find somebody who would
run such a "Syndicate raw" list. Perhaps you (or somebody else) would like
to volunteer?

Sincerely,
Inke



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<subject>Re: Madre: Re: Syndicate: for wbmaster (repost)</subject>
<from>Andreas Broeckmann</from>
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<date>Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:38:19 +0200</date>
<content>&gt;Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 23:42:52 +0200
&gt;From: Frederic Madre &lt;fmadre@wanadoo.fr&gt;
&gt;
&gt;perhaps we should also discuss something else, but first:
&gt;did the admins usb netochka or did she do it herself ?
&gt;
&gt;this is unclear to me because I was offline for a few days

the admins usbd it. do you need reasons?

greetings,
-a

ps: as a lubricant, somebody could install a list that takes the content
from the syndicate list and that is open for reactions by nn; everybody
interested in receiving nn's msgs could then sb to this new list and get
the regular, cleansed, korporat fascist version plus the poetic
interventions by the anti-fascist. the NATO.fascists who prefer not to read
her can stick with the list as it is, stifled by murderous (!!) censors.


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<subject>Syndicate: (repost)</subject>
<from>Frederic Madre</from>
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<date>Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:39:41 +0200</date>
<content>At 20:38 13/08/2001 +0200, Andreas Broeckmann wrote:
&gt;do you need reasons?

since you ask
yes

&gt;ps: as a lubricant, somebody could install a list that takes the content
&gt;from the syndicate list and that is open for reactions by nn; everybody
&gt;interested in receiving nn's msgs could then sb to this new list

I take this proposition at face value and strip off the emotive decoration off
and my opinion is that this is not how a list works. it is a discussion
as you, of course, very well know.

f.

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<from>Andreas Broeckmann</from>
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<date>Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:57:34 +0200</date>
<content>dear jaka,

i was away for 2 weeks and actually considered leaving the list because it
became utterly useless and unreadable for me. i must admit that i was
relieved to find the situation as it is now. the insults about me that nn
is posting to people it thinks are my superiors are enough for anybody to
push the red button, if you ask me.

&gt;Why censorship?

we have had this discussion before, and i just want to make my own point
once again, other points have been made by others for months, fuelling nn's
viral motor. i'd rather shut up and put on the breaks.

most importantly:
1. create the free-syndicate@jaka.org now!
2. sb it to the syndicate list!
3. invite nn and the nn fanclub to leave the syndicate list and join this
new list!
4. enjoy the full, integer-ated syndicate pleasure!

&gt;I dint's saw mails to ban some people who made some stupid and insulting
&gt;remarks of NN.

i would be curious to see messages that have been anywhere near the level
of insult that nn usually produces.

&gt;Is there now a special state of mind required to be on syndicate list?

for me, a mailing list is a social space that requires a certain attitude
which is also necessary in any other social environment - you listen to
other people, you only SHOUT when absolutely necessary, you respect the
positions of others, you tell about your own ideas and give others the room
to talk about their's. the syndicate list has, for over 5 years, been a
mellow, sometimes boring, sometimes highly active channel which has allowed
a multitude of people to announce their projects, get in touch with each
other, meet, play, love, ..., each other. for me, part of the quality of
this channel has been that it has always been open and unmoderated - even
though some people have put a lot of effort into keeping it running. like
many others, i feel attached to the list and the community behind it, and
you will understand that it was a strange thing to see it being taken over
by nn in the course of six months or so. the volume of her messages is
unmanageable. the quality is, as others have suggested, mixed, the tone at
times - difficult to take. i don't like filters. i like this list because
it makes sense for me to listen to all the different voices. i don't want
to censor what comes through. at the same time, i ask for some sort of
respect for my position as somebody who is also on this list. this implies
not being shouted at all the time. it more importantly implies not being
spat on and insulted for writing this message. it implies not seeing
messages that call me a criminal, a murderer, nn writing to people saying
that she has to leave germany because she has received a death threat from
me, inke and lorenzo. give me a break. either she is a virtual persona, in
which case she should better understand her digital nature, or she is a
person with the illusion of a physical body like myself, in which case she
should maybe seek some professional help.

the requirements for being on this list are pretty limited, you will agree.
but i find it hard to believe that you would not also call nn's
list-behaviour 'extreme'. i understand the point about a total freedom of
speech, which is why i would have left the list and started something new,
rather than having to endure the integer-ated syndicate. but i cannot deny
that i am happier now.

i really suggest that you start another list and study the dynamics of nn's
communication; you would even enjoy it. if this list get's so boring that
the last of the 480 subscriber leaves, we'll delete the piece of software
that it really is. until then, let's doodle on.

greetings,
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<subject>Syndicate: Re: what happend?</subject>
<from>Frederic Madre</from>
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<content>At 20:57 13/08/2001 +0200, Andreas Broeckmann wrote:
&gt;relieved to find the situation as it is now. the insults about me that nn
&gt;is posting to people it thinks are my superiors are enough for anybody to
&gt;push the red button, if you ask me.

they came because of her removal
not the reverse

&gt;i would be curious to see messages that have been anywhere near the level
&gt;of insult that nn usually produces.

come on...

anyway, it was stated earlier that the kosovo archives were shut down after a discussion on the list
I don't remember that I was for this decision but nonetheless accept it

in the case of nn, this was never discussed per se
and if it was, a rough count from my rapidly ticking off neurons doesn't yield a lot of yeahs

in short, I wish nn reinstalled on the list, thank you

f.

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<subject>Syndicate: A short comment on the identity of the syndicate list</subject>
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<date>Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:08:41 +0200</date>
<content>dear syndicalists,

In recent times it has become increasingly unclear for me what the value
was of continuing the syndicate list. In my experience this project was
started in the aftermath of the many social, political and cultural changes
in Europe after the fall of the iron curtain and the berlin wall. Syndicate
was established to promote east &lt;&gt; west exchange and co-operation in the
fields of media art and media culture. The specific nature of the syndicate
list was to take into account the regional specificities and the defining
characteristics of the political and social context of media art and media
culture in the countries that were formerly ruled by socialist / communist
regimes in one form or another.

One of the really important questions on the table was how to formulate an
alternative discourse to the traditional capitalist / anti-capitalist
narratives that pervaded social, political and cultural debates about the
*east/west* relationship. The next was to get away from the East / West
dichotomy altogether and find new connecting threads to talk about art,
culture, politics and society in Europe after the revolutionary changes of
the late eighties and beginning nineties.

Media play an essential role in defining, appropriating and proliferating
these discourses, narratives and cliches. The worst one no doubt is the
discourse of *transition, assuming the victory of the capitalist world and
seeing the neo-liberal ideology as the only possible outcome, yes indeed
the end, of history. Instead we saw the inevitable return of history,
throughout the countries and regions represented on the list, and we lived
through hope and tragedy in a tiny little community. Meetings felt like
family gatherings, and the nucleus that syndicate offered to start new
pan-European discourses about media, art, culture and politics and society
for a long time seemed invaluable to me.

In the last year or so I saw the essence of the list get lost in a cloud of
confused autistic ascii experiments that had really nothing to do with the
initial character of the list. Of course things can change and move in a
different direction. I was ready to leave the list and consider it a
beautiful, productive and enriching period of my life, when syndicate was
one of the most inspiring fora of debate in Europe about all these topics
in relation to media culture and media art, but which at long last had come
to an end.

Perhaps this is the moment when things can take a new turn again, and
something of the list's original character may be redeemed. Not for
nostalgia, but simply because I believe that questioning the construction
of new cultural, social and political discourses around "Project Europe",
in particular in relation to contemporary media culture and media art is as
urgent as ever.

If syndicate can once again become a forum where the contradictions of the
european project can be made visible, and where alternative media
discourses and practices can germinate, I will be a very happy member of
it. If not, I will just have to find other more productive contexts to work
in, because these questions are simply too urgent to leave them
unaddressed.

For now I am not ready to give up syndicate and still have some hope for
the future of the syndicate list and network.

warmest greetings,
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<subject>Syndicate: NN: the endless cybersoap!</subject>
<from>Lorenzo Taiuti</from>
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<date>Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:38:18 +0200</date>
<content>&lt;html&gt;&lt;!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"&gt;
&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;
&lt;META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"&gt;
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&lt;/HEAD&gt;
&lt;BODY bgColor=#ffffff&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;To people who don't know enough of NN.&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;NN has been overflowing with&amp;nbsp;messages three, four times a day not only 
Syndicate, but Rhyzome, Nettime etc...&amp;amp; others we don't know.&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;The democratic feeling of the lists has been defending NN just as it was 
intended (by NN).&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;The result&amp;nbsp;of all this naif&amp;nbsp;discussions will be of course a Book. 
A very glossy book of course.&amp;nbsp;Published in the net 
languages:&amp;nbsp;english/german/dutch.&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;NN&amp;nbsp;it's not a meaningful case.&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;Otherwise it would have been different for every different list.&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;That is Not the fact.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;Syndicate: a list about relationships between east &amp;amp; west.&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;How much have we done &amp;amp; talked about it while every energy is about 
deciding the presence of NN?&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;Adrian Russu has announced the opening of a Jazz Club in Romania called 
nicely "Colibr?".&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;Maybe is a good Jazz club. Maybe not. Maybe we can give ideas. maybe it 
could become an issue. maybe not.&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;Is it not this Much,Much more &lt;U&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;relevant&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/U&gt; then talking 
about a trendy "noisemaker" like NN??&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;Should we not deal about those things? &lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;And not about NN?&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;Ciao&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;Lorenzo Taiuti&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;

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<subject>Re: Syndicate: Re: what happend?</subject>
<from>Andreas Broeckmann</from>
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<date>Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:35:11 +0200</date>
<content>folks,

&gt;in the case of nn, this was never discussed per se
&gt;and if it was, a rough count from my rapidly ticking off neurons doesn't
&gt;yield a lot of yeahs

on the list, yes, offlist, no. i got a fair amount of private messages, but
i feel strongly that they should have gone to the list.

annick, anke, and others: you *have to* voice your opinion *on* the list; i
have no time nor energy to stick my head out like this again and again for
a silent mass. if fred and jaka and andrej are the opinion leaders here, an
integer-ated syndicate list is what you will get. i promise. like eric, i
will leave and look for other, more bearable venues. no big deal, but
everybody who cares should take responsibility for where this list is going.


&gt;anyway, it was stated earlier that the kosovo archives were shut down
&gt;after a discussion on the list
&gt;I don't remember that I was for this decision but nonetheless accept it

this is a different issue and i agree that the archive should be reopened.


greetings,
-a


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<subject>Re: Syndicate: Re: what happend?</subject>
<from>Andrej Tisma</from>
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<content>&gt; 
&gt; annick, anke, and others: you *have to* voice your opinion *on* the list; i
&gt; have no time nor energy to stick my head out like this again and again for
&gt; a silent mass. if fred and jaka and andrej are the opinion leaders here, an
&gt; integer-ated syndicate list is what you will get. 

Is this why you are silencing me on this list, and why you didn't
publish my comment on Integer case yesterday evening? You silence Kosovo
opinions, you silence Integer opinions, where is your "openness"?

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<subject>Re: Syndicate: Re: what happend?</subject>
<from>Andreas Broeckmann</from>
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<date>Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:22:08 +0200</date>
<content>&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; annick, anke, and others: you *have to* voice your opinion *on* the list; i
&gt;&gt; have no time nor energy to stick my head out like this again and again for
&gt;&gt; a silent mass. if fred and jaka and andrej are the opinion leaders here, an
&gt;&gt; integer-ated syndicate list is what you will get.
&gt;
&gt;Is this why you are silencing me on this list, and why you didn't
&gt;publish my comment on Integer case yesterday evening? You silence Kosovo
&gt;opinions, you silence Integer opinions, where is your "openness"?

andrej, we have had this before: when you put the word s*bscribe (with the
u) into your message, majordomo, the software, recognises your message as a
request which is forwarded to the administration; this prevents the list
from the occasional accidental request and bounces some relevant messages
which then have to be forwarded by the admins by hand, which can sometimes
take some time, depending on who of the admins finds time to look at the
admin account.

-a


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<subject>Re: Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _NN - what happend</subject>
<from>Andrej Tisma</from>
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<date>Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:15:45 +0200</date>
<content>Inke Arns wrote:
&gt;i am not ready to administrate a mailing list which is called &gt;"[integer],
&gt;formerly known as Syndicate". 

Now I think you are administrating the Corporate Fascist! list.
Are you satisfied now?
If you and Andreas think you will feel better after uns*bscribing me
from this list too, just do it. From now on you don't have my moral
confidence. I think it is the best for you to leave on this list just
the Soros Swastika worshiping people and exchange your stupid corporate
info with each other.

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<subject>Re: Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _NN - what happend?</subject>
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Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 22:34:07 +0200
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Organization: Happiness
To: syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de
Subject: Re: Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _NN - what happend?

Inke Arns wrote:
&gt;i am not ready to administrate a mailing list which is called &gt;"[integer],
&gt;formerly known as Syndicate". 

Now I think you are administrating the Corporate Fascist! list.
Are you satisfied now?
If you and Andreas think you will feel better after uns*bscribing me
from this list too, just do it. From now on you don't have my moral
confidence. I think it is the best for you to leave on this list just
the Soros Swastika worshiping people and exchange your stupid corporate
info with each other.

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<subject>Re: Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _NN - what happend</subject>
<from>Anke Hoffmann</from>
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<content>dear andrej, 

i am sorry but i don't see that the use of cold war terms bring you any
further, they rather act destructive until no one wants to react on this
kind of comments anymore. i am just doing it because i feel sad of this
communication developed in the last week on this list. i would also like
to say: watch out the words you are using!

in my opinion you are misjudging the situation a lot and see an enemy
where there is none. taking (unemotional) the facts about nn's postings
and the character of this list, which have been described by several
people only yesterday, it seems as there is a strong unbalance of sheer
interest between a few and many, as i may suggest.

taking free-speech rights and the common ground of interpersonal
acceptance into account i still don't see why it is not possible to
exclude a certain egocentric individual from a community if s/he does
not meet the regulations of the "virtual" community. a sort of shared
values and communication do's and don'ts are the base for any human
relationship, also for this communication-community. 

accusations of censorship and spreading insults does not change the fact
that a community exists on the ground of shared interest and behaviour.
other communities might have other interest and behaviour. to view the
world in black-and-white-only, in an enemy and comrade-model does not
help at all to come to terms with the reality of different individuals
with different interests. 

one of the-until now-silent mass

anke hoffmann 


Andrej Tisma schrieb:
&gt; 
&gt; Inke Arns wrote:
&gt; &gt;i am not ready to administrate a mailing list which is called &gt;"[integer],
&gt; &gt;formerly known as Syndicate".
&gt; 
&gt; Now I think you are administrating the Corporate Fascist! list.
&gt; Are you satisfied now?
&gt; If you and Andreas think you will feel better after uns*bscribing me
&gt; from this list too, just do it. From now on you don't have my moral
&gt; confidence. I think it is the best for you to leave on this list just
&gt; the Soros Swastika worshiping people and exchange your stupid corporate
&gt; info with each other.
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<subject>Re: Syndicate: Re: what happend?</subject>
<from>inke</from>
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<content>dear,

&gt; annick, anke, and others: you *have to* voice your opinion *on* the list; i
&gt; have no time nor energy to stick my head out like this again and again for
&gt; a silent mass. 

absolutely. same goes for me. what I wrote about engagement concerning work 
does also apply here (and it does perhaps more): if you don't take care of your 
list, and voice your opinion, the list will be taken care of by others. And you 
won't necessarily like it.

&gt; if fred and jaka and andrej are the opinion leaders here, an
&gt; integer-ated syndicate list is what you will get. 

as I wrote before, it's no problem to open another list focussing on nn. this 
is the great thing about mailing lists: you can do it yourself, on whatever 
topic you like. Nothing prevents the people interested in nn's postings to open 
a mailing list for her. you should explicitely announce that rules don't apply 
for that game/mailing list. 

&gt; like eric, i
&gt; will leave and look for other, more bearable venues. no big deal, but

I have been thinking about this many times already but am not ready to give up 
a project that I have invested some energy into during the last five years. it 
is much too valuable for that (even if, as andreas suggested and as we all 
know, the Syndicate sometimes tends to by a rather dull place, full of 
announcements and with no real discussion)

&gt; everybody who cares should take responsibility for where this list is going.

to the silent mass: repeat this five times before your go to sleep, every 
night.

&gt; the archive should be reopened.

sure, why not? Anybody against it?

Greetings,
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<subject>Re: Syndicate: visit of the uniform</subject>
<from>Andreas Broeckmann</from>
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<date>Tue, 14 Aug 2001 17:21:39 +0200</date>
<content>dear anna,

&gt;Dear Andreas, it seems that you banned integer from the
&gt;syndicate list for very personal reasons, without surveying
&gt;the opinion of the community.

not reasons more personal than yours, i believe.

but as i said in my last message, i respect your opinion and if it turns
out by, say, the weekend, that there are clearly more people in favour of
resubscribing nn, i will suggest to the other admins that we do it. it is
quite possible that your help in adminstring the list might then be needed.

faites vos jeux.

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<subject>Syndicate: re: visit of the uniform</subject>
<from>Anke Hoffmann</from>
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<date>Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:34:01 +0200</date>
<content>a democratic decision, whether somebody (or a
group) can use a community platform as its own. how this should be taken
out, i don't know. but beside this showing respect to a ideological
ownership which, i think, exists in the case of this list is essential
and can't be overseen. to respect that means to share a common ground of
rules set by this "owners" or founders, and implies in this case not to
spam the list with dozens of mails. simply. i don't think that nn's
mails were of no meaning, but the mass they were posted was not
acceptable anymore. less is more.

i am too from a totalitarian background and believe that we all need to
accept rules of communities we are joining to be included. and the
pragmatic facts of no attchments, limited file size and no spam enables
such lists to operate for many. 

anke
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<subject>Syndicate: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Bans &amp; Free Speech</subject>
<from>Frederic Madre</from>
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<date>Tue, 14 Aug 2001 22:11:17 +0200</date>
<content>
&gt;incessantly about how you are wrong or about their accomplishments with only short intervals in which you may interject.  This is what I call the Coffeehaus Putsch.  

problem is
this has absolutely nothing to do with how a mailing-list works.

&gt;So far, I have outlined an argument aimed at mapping the issues at stake regarding free speech on listservs.  Next, what could be some protocols for culling the signal to noise ratio?

you forgot one
closing the list when it has served its time or purpose.

best,
f.

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<subject>Re: Syndicate: Re: what happend?</subject>
<from>Andrej Tisma</from>
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<date>Tue, 14 Aug 2001 22:14:41 +0200</date>
<content>&gt;.. can someone tell me how
&gt; to construct a filter?

Very simple, you have it in your mail program. I use Netscape
Communicator - in the mailbox go to "edit" and then to "mail filters".
Enter any word from address or subject or body... and you will not
receive it any more.

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<subject>Re: Syndicate: visit of the uniform</subject>
<from>Bruce Sterling</from>
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<date>Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:17:00 -0500</date>
<content>&gt; i respect your opinion and if it turns
&gt; out by, say, the weekend, that there are clearly more people in favour of
&gt; resubscribing nn, i will suggest to the other admins that we do it. it is
&gt; quite possible that your help in adminstring the list might then be needed.

*Aaargh!  Don't do it!  I'm getting hundreds of unsought messages from
victims of SirCam, carrying big fat 130K random chunks of people's hard
disks.  I've grown to hate the sight of them, even though they're much less
mechanical than integer and they're far more entertaining.

plaintive bruces

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<subject>Re: Syndicate: What happened?</subject>
<from>Andrej Tisma</from>
<to>n/a</to>
<date>Tue, 14 Aug 2001 22:24:44 +0200</date>
<content>&gt; If we find so much words to fight about a "Lounge Identity" like NN,
&gt; how come we are not building a project about east/west comunities?

Good question. I think in building the east/west community we must begin
from our personal relations, not from net theories, net criticism and
same bullshit. Now our personal relations are in crisis, because of
censorship (Kosovo archive banned on this list, and now one member
removed because of too much mailings which is also stupid). How do you
imagine that community if we don't trust each other personally?
Or generally east do not trust west, or vice versa.
 
&gt; And before talking about "fascists", remember Genova!
&gt; Greetings
&gt; Lorenzo Taiuti
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<subject>Re: Syndicate: What happened?</subject>
<from>Andrej Tisma</from>
<to>n/a</to>
<date>Tue, 14 Aug 2001 22:30:45 +0200</date>
<content>Lorenzo Taiuti wrote:

&gt; And before talking about "fascists", remember Genova!

Concerning Genoa, I didn't remark any reaction to that fascist
globalistic event on this list. Silent mass again. But I gave my comment
with "Game Over" work at:
http://www.crosswinds.net/~tisma/social/over.htm
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<nbr>117.0</nbr>
<subject>Re: Syndicate: Re: what happend?</subject>
<from>Frederic Madre</from>
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<date>Tue, 14 Aug 2001 23:07:08 +0200</date>
<content>Annick,

I admit I have sinned and forgive me because I have a cable link to the internet. It is so much cheaper than paying for the phone calls and equivalent solutions such as dsl are available everywhere in our country

I admit I have sinned and forgive me because I was offline for 3 days, this had not happened for a year.

I admit I have sinned for I did not uns+b from any list and received 320 messages when I logged back, I opened them all and felt there was something missing when I got the message from "syndicate admin" which did not own up to what "it" had done.

For this is what I dislike in this situation
not that the admins decided unilaterally to withdraw nn (because this is ultimately their list, not ours) but more that they did not announce it as such (I was not even interested in the explanation, at least the one given afterwards) and sent the mail I mentioned above as if it was a machinic gesture whithout an owner or master, neither rhyme nor reason.

now, I agree with eric too, that the object of this list has disappeared from (posted) view but it's still an interesting one (not sure about so called "europe", though) and could be pursued here, or there. I just wish that (as it happens sometimes) the community did not need a scapegoat enemy to regain its inner strength around its soft but open belly. 

this is why I ask that nn be put back on

(and also because I like her very much)

last
I do not see that the internet is either public or private

f.

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<nbr>118.0</nbr>
<subject>Re: Syndicate: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Bans &amp; Free Speech</subject>
<from>patrick lichty</from>
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<date>Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:24:49 -0500</date>
<content>
&gt; &gt;incessantly about how you are wrong or about their accomplishments with
only short intervals in which you may interject.  This is what I call the
Coffeehaus Putsch.
&gt;
&gt; problem is
&gt; this has absolutely nothing to do with how a mailing-list works.

Merely a metaphor for the effect, not the process.  Good point.

&gt; &gt;So far, I have outlined an argument aimed at mapping the issues at stake
regarding free speech on listservs.  Next, what could be some protocols for
culling the signal to noise ratio?
&gt;
&gt; you forgot one
&gt; closing the list when it has served its time or purpose.

Big thanks there - pulling the plug is always the last ditch, as is starting
a new pocket universe with new rules of time and space, but I did not think
we were there yet.

As usual, I never profess to have all the answers, I merely suggest some
ideas 'for your approval'.

Best,
Patrick.

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<subject>???</subject>
<from>martha rosler</from>
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<date>Tue, 14 Aug 2001 22:55:25 -0400</date>
<content>

this is absolutely insupportable, no matter how much i agree with the
elements of this  post (which is basically all the rest of it, I suppose)
that do not themselves constitute a racist slur:

&lt;to the racist Talmudic/Zionist double-standard&gt;

sincerely
martha rosler


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<nbr>120.0</nbr>
<subject>Syndicate: the NN programme...is old Art...</subject>
<from>furtherfield</from>
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<date>Wed, 15 Aug 2001 03:18:44 +0000</date>
<content>I did not want to comment or waste my time on this but it seems that I will
concede now - and put my head on the block like everyone else has been
doing.

The reason is that on rhizome I was attacked personally a few times by NN.
I answered thinking that there was an intelligent mind or brain at the other
end of the postings, but all I got in return was insults. Soon after that I
learnt that NN was a programme.

I am also unhappy about sending this e-mail because NN's protectors will
attack me also. A small gang of people who could do better by spending their
time not protecting their cyber - jerk (in crowd mob friends, programmers of
NN), and actually taking real responsibility and changing the world to be a
better place instead. I wish...

It seems to me that nn (the programme) has not been interested in other
people's imaginative offerings on the list - other to dish out insults.

NN - is not a human, therefor has no rights.
NN - feels no pain,  therefor has no rights.
NN - is a weapon designed to distract us, therefor has no rights.

SO wake up everyone - we are all part of a manipulation that is designed to
satisfy its programmer's egos.

I do not care what happens to NN, mainly because the programme has no
empathy for others.

All this discussion about whether the owners of the list are fascists is
absolute gibberish. Such negative comments to people who actually spend a
lot of their time maintaining it do not deserve such unfound empty headed
right wing rants.

It really pisses me off when you see people trying to do something worth
while and watching thugs slamming into them as though they are just dirt.
There is no conspiracy going on here other than some liberal, leftist
indivuals who quite rightly are worried about stopping freedom of expression
as an idea.

Who would you turn to in a time of need or of crisis? It certainly would not
be the whimsical NN.

The Syndicate list like many lists have gone through many issues, and this
does not warrant the attention.

There are far more urgent problems going on in the real world with real
people being bombed, maimed, raped - mostly by dysfunctional insecure males.
NN has that type of quality of which I will not miss (whatever sex it has
been allocated).

If there is a threat on freedom of expression - it is not on NN. It is on
the rest of us not being aloud to carry on exploring our own valid ventures
as living breathing individuals, who wish to develop further than a limited
programme that far out stayed its presence.

I would rather fight for a life than an idea, religion was an idea and look
how that  one is turning out for everyone on this small muddy ball that we
call earth. 

Don't be fooled by the art project that us (the ginea pigs) have foolishly
become part of against our wills - for it will be documented and used
against us by the real tyrant(s) in the future - NN's programmers. Who like
cowards do not declare their real identities as we all do. As they collect
their rewards for being (oh so clever etc) for taking the piss out of people
who meant well, they will reap the rewards for our discomfort.

NN will be taken off the list - but not because of any undemocratic or
fascistic reason, but because NN is out of date and has served its purpose
and the one liner joke is wearing a bit thin now.

We have all moved on and are tired of the childish double feedback (boring)
emptiness that dominates the list by NN. Please wake up and realise that we
have been part of a cheap game and (seriously) nothing much more than that.

I take issue with one poster mentioning 'Brad Brad' as someone who has
caused trouble on listings. I have seen his postings - and I believe that he
has at least contributed to discussions via the process of creating
discourse that is aimed questioning the power that institutions possess over
others lives.

If NN is to stay - then please 'programmers' re-evaluate its purpose and
function. Make it question corporate isolationist companies that are ruining
peoples lives all other world right now. Go to their listings and bring the
content back here for all to debate and take part in. PLease do not let it
ruin well meaning debate on creative listings such as this - its not NN's
fault, I know that. I'll miss the playful language myself, Its the
questionable intentions by the ego-centric opinionated designers (that
should be here on this listing taking part in the debate themselves) behind
the function and the actions that I am concerned about, whom obviously are
not interested in other peoples expressive and creative freedoms.

Lets all move forward (for a change). That's if its alright by the few who
will no doubt send hatred e-mails to me for bothering to care about such
things.

Tonight Israel is sending tanks into palastinian territories - is NN going
to help sort that one out - doubt it.

(When American leaders fund Israeli assassinations of Arab leaders with
taxpayer dollars, those American leaders are complicit in those
assassinations, and since turnabout is fair play, U.S. leaders open
themselves up to their own assassination by the very demon of lawlessness
their Israeli partners in crime unleashed in the occupied territories.

Lest the U.S. secret police accuse this writer of advocating or apologizing
for the assassination of Americans, I will point out the obvious: all
assassinations are wrong. The spread of the contagion of Likud doublethink
in the U.S. has caused Americans to subscribe to the racist Talmudic/Zionist
double-standard that it is permissible, indeed perhaps even laudable, to
assassinate "sub-human" Arab goyim, whereas the assassination of the Chosen
terrorist Sharon or his patrons in the U.S. would be deemed a moral outrage
of the highest order by the guardians of public opinion in the West.)


Get a life - there's beautiful out there (what's left of it that is). To
continue arguing for and against NN's case would be a case of psychological
denial in dealing with issues at hand...

Best wishes to all progressive (humane) thinkers and creative liberationists
and anarchists who are causing nayhem where it should be, some where else.
Its possiblities are being wasted..


marc garrett  

 





 

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<nbr>121.0</nbr>
<subject>Syndicate: RHIZOME_RAW: your m9nd bumpers  </subject>
<from>][-n.sert-][</from>
<to>n/a</to>
<date>Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:10:54 +1000</date>
<content>
...NN replies.........etc




&gt;X-From_: owner-list@rhizome.org  Wed Aug 15 13:57:41 2001
&gt;Delivered-To: netwurker@hotkey.net.au
&gt;Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 04:39:26 +0200 (CEST)
&gt;From: integer@www.god-emil.dk
&gt;To: syndicate@v2.nl
&gt;Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: your m9nd bumpers  
&gt;Sender: owner-list@rhizome.org
&gt;Reply-To: integer@www.god-emil.dk
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;Andreas Broeckmann &lt;abroeck@transmediale.de&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;dear anna,
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Dear Andreas, it seems that you banned integer from the
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;syndicate list for very personal reasons, without surveying
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;the opinion of the community.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;not reasons more personal than yours, i believe.
&gt;
&gt;Andreas Broeckmann has always shown an avid interest 
&gt;in NN's personal life.
&gt;
&gt;especially the lv+ type.
&gt;Andreas Broeckmann's beloved am certain shall be pleased to 
&gt;know more about his extra curricular interests.
&gt;
&gt;People like to read!!!!
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;but as i said in my last message, i respect your opinion and if it turns
&gt;&gt;&gt;out by, say, the weekend, that there are clearly more people in favour of
&gt;&gt;&gt;resubscribing nn, 
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;how very democratic Andreas Broeckmann becomes once he commits a crime.
&gt;but why is it Andreas Broeckmann asks Geert Lovink to cover up his crime.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;is Andreas Broeckmann so afraid those subscribed to Nettime might find out
about 
&gt;his criminal activities.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;and why clearly +?
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;you see my dear german autocrat in ost.europa we don't trust criminals.
&gt;
&gt;my compliments.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;i will suggest to the other admins that we do it. it is
&gt;&gt;&gt;quite possible that your help in adminstring the list might then be needed.
&gt;
&gt;are you acquainted with pascal's wager +?
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;nn
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;From: Annick Bureaud &lt;annickb@altern.org&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;OK, the "silent mass" is going to take part in the discussion...
&gt;&gt;&gt;Andreas, Inke, you are right, we need to say what we think too.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;it seems to me you are only following orders.
&gt;you do give naught but take.
&gt;
&gt;are you love +?
&gt;
&gt;somehow i doubt it.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;I do not post much on this list, 
&gt;
&gt;love wonders why.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;only when I have something that I think
&gt;&gt;&gt;will interest the others. 
&gt;
&gt;i see. that is good to know.
&gt;love does not recall you ever having anything to give [say]
&gt;besides lobbying for silencing those that do have much to give.
&gt;even if not + not to you. 
&gt;
&gt;others do exist you know. they also have desires and aspirations.
&gt;much like you. they wish to breathe.
&gt;
&gt;gas chambers are for the love impaired.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;The Syndicate list is a virtual community 
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;if a [western] zoo is a community than Syndicate also is a community.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Recently, because of NN *flood* of posting, I was about to unsub. 
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;interesting. next time do let me know that you exist and _if _you _wish i
shall
&gt;unsubscribe you _when _i _feel _like _it.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;But I
&gt;&gt;&gt;felt 
&gt;
&gt;listen. i want to ask. do you lack memories of love +?
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;I was still interested in the list, so I  filtered out NN mails. I
&gt;&gt;&gt;hated to have to do this (very simple technically speaking) procedure.
&gt;&gt;&gt;It was the first time in my whole life that I filtered out mail (online
&gt;&gt;&gt;as well as offline, 
&gt;
&gt;next time something happens for the 1st time do take it as a sign from
ost.europa - i.e. the heavens.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;I always open every letter, even if I know it is
&gt;&gt;&gt;junk,
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;love says: that makes it difficult for me to fall in love with you.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;I always give people a chance).
&gt;
&gt;the inward turning of the drug user contrasts the outward turning of the
dancer.
&gt;
&gt;listen. love whispers to you [only you]. - "so I  filtered out NN mails"
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;love: i always give people a chance.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;___.. listen. 
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;What I really disliked with NN postings was the FLOOD. 
&gt;
&gt;you shall have to consult my ost.europa genes about that.
&gt;you are welcome to admire me but 
&gt;
&gt;listen _____... I do not like zooz.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Once in a while,
&gt;&gt;&gt;why not, but minimum 10 per day, as in the last week, come on ! This is
&gt;&gt;&gt;just a highjack of the list. S/he knew the rules, s/he didn't play by
&gt;&gt;&gt;it. Too bad.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;the safest path for a brain is circular arguments.
&gt;you want me to relax you +?
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Those talking about democracy, Socrates and censorship, I would like to
&gt;&gt;&gt;stress out a point  here, the one between "public" and "private"
&gt;&gt;&gt;institution, public and private being understood in the French meaning
&gt;&gt;&gt;of the words :
&gt;
&gt;i would like to tell to you.
&gt;
&gt;syndicate is publicly funded.
&gt;
&gt;there shall be no syndicate.
&gt;
&gt;there shall be no other things either.
&gt;
&gt;why +? well think about it. the "FLOOD" will have to go somewhere.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;So, I think that "big" words (fascist !!!) should be kept for "big"
&gt;&gt;&gt;problems, 
&gt;&gt;&gt;NN is not a "big" issue, 
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;you have a "big" regard for human life.
&gt;love says: i suffer so much loneliness in your presence.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Annick
&gt;
&gt;  NN (a noble act 
&gt;      + public vocabulary of private distress)
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;From: martha rosler &lt;navva@earthlink.net&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;i am primarily a lurker, 
&gt;
&gt;i see a pattern.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;hoping to learn something about the thought and
&gt;&gt;&gt;work of formerly east bloc artists 
&gt;
&gt;in a zoo +?
&gt;
&gt;or +?
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;and friends 
&gt;
&gt;let us not draw conclusions until sentiments exist indicating we are friends.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;in respect to new
&gt;&gt;&gt;communications technologies and art. but i do read the list avidly and
&gt;&gt;&gt;can't resist making some observations.
&gt;&gt;&gt;I do not find it especially helpful to compare this situation to ancient
&gt;&gt;&gt;athens, 
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;tres bien. let us rename it ancient sparta
&gt;
&gt;http://eusocial.com/242.art.mafia/open-hand.html
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;for a myriad of reasons, 
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;reasons are the equiv of bumpers on automobiles.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;the most direct being that we do not live
&gt;&gt;&gt;on the list, and net communications have a distinctly linear feel despite
&gt;&gt;&gt;all the hype. We do not live on it "in the round." In my observation, the
&gt;&gt;&gt;list ceases to be interesting in pretty direct proportion to nn's posts,
&gt;&gt;&gt;and it is somewhat arrogant to expect a participant to have to decode a
&gt;&gt;&gt;private orthography in order to "get it."
&gt;
&gt;you misunderstand. i communicate with those that want me
&gt;and experience my ecstasy and suffering. 
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; I wouldn't mind the posts if they
&gt;&gt;&gt;didn't polarize and shrink the entire list to pros and cons about it.
&gt;&gt;&gt;Indeed, i used to enjoy some of them, delete the rest. But when I get my
&gt;&gt;&gt;email while traveling, i resent the endless "mutterings" that these posts
&gt;&gt;&gt;seem to constitute. 
&gt;
&gt;i resent your silence and selfish ways. why is it you take and
&gt;give naught +?
&gt;
&gt;are you love +?
&gt;love says: somehow i doubt it.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;(The endless nn yenta, always commenting on everyone
&gt;&gt;&gt;else, picking on their language, competes with a very nicely tuned nn
&gt;&gt;&gt;anti-corporate, anti-bullshit set of remarks.)
&gt;
&gt;because nn's iq has been determined to be that of a genius.
&gt;as you are aware only the mediocre are consistent.
&gt;i cannot be bothered.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Freedom of speech is not the primary issue, 
&gt;
&gt;our minds are pulsing together.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;and threats to sic the
&gt;&gt;&gt;correctness police on the list is an ironic reversal of oother
&gt;&gt;&gt;authoritarian tropes, i humbly suggest; 
&gt;
&gt;why humbly +?
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;a list is neither society nor the
&gt;&gt;&gt;public sphere in toto. 
&gt;
&gt;nor a zoo +?
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;I am not advocating asking nn to leave, 
&gt;
&gt;i like it when i am asked.
&gt;as do you +?
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;for the
&gt;&gt;&gt;decision is not mine, but ask yourself, when you play a game, what happens
&gt;&gt;&gt;when the bully insists that it is always his/her turn at the bat; at a
&gt;&gt;&gt;forum, what if she/he jumps up for the microphone after every remark
&gt;&gt;&gt;someone else has made, simply to snipe,and not actually engage their
&gt;&gt;&gt;points? 
&gt;
&gt;pulsing together.
&gt;for nn has never prohibited one other from pulsing.
&gt;nn is being prohibited by one other from pulsing.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;so yes - our minds are pulsing together.  
&gt;
&gt;but i think yours has 3 bumpers.
&gt;
&gt;why +?
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Of course, this analogy is poor, 
&gt;
&gt;most analogies as most people are poor.
&gt;i am rich but i love to share.
&gt;
&gt;it may because i love to share that i am rich.
&gt;
&gt;it may also be that i am not free because i am unhappy
&gt;or it may be that i am unhappy because i am free.
&gt;
&gt;what do you think +? [asking] 
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;because only one person can speak
&gt;&gt;&gt;at a forum at once, but it is not wholly inappropriate. Pretty soon, the
&gt;&gt;&gt;discussion is about rules and personality, not about substatntive issues.
&gt;&gt;&gt; I have been in many, many political gatherings where a bloc of extreme
&gt;&gt;&gt;leftists (or a strongly vocal single representative) stood up to denounce
&gt;&gt;&gt;the incorrect political "line" each speaker was espousing, according to the
&gt;&gt;&gt;commentator. This well-known tactic has a name: disruption.
&gt;&gt;&gt;even war has rules of engagement.
&gt;
&gt;as does mystical rapture.
&gt;which one interests you more: war or mystical rapture +?
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;respectfully,
&gt;
&gt;flesh touching flesh generates a perfume, while the friction of words 
&gt;generates only pain and division.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;martha rosler
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;nn
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;brooklyn, new york
&gt;
&gt;i see a pattern.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;patterns you may have missed
&gt;because no one asked you.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;friendly.nn
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;    /_/
&gt;                          /
&gt;             \            \/       i should like to be a human plant
&gt;            \/       __
&gt;                    __/
&gt;                                   i will shed leaves in the shade
&gt;        \_\                        because i like stepping on bugs
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--
&gt;Netochka Nezvanova                   nezvanova@eusocial.com
&gt;                                    http://www.eusocial.com
&gt;                                  http://www.biohakc.com
&gt;                                http://www.ggttctttat.com/!
&gt;   n  r  .   5        !!!      http://steim.nl/leaves/petalz
&gt;*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- --*--*--*--*--*--*--
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;+ See sidepanel for exciting recipe ideas.
&gt;-&gt; Rhizome.org
&gt;-&gt; post: list@rhizome.org
&gt;-&gt; questions: info@rhizome.org
&gt;-&gt; subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/subscribe.rhiz
&gt;-&gt; give: http://rhizome.org/support
&gt;+
&gt;Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
&gt;Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php3
&gt;
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<from>][-n.sert-][</from>
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<content>&gt;X-From_: owner-list@rhizome.org  Wed Aug 15 15:14:32 2001
&gt;Delivered-To: netwurker@hotkey.net.au
&gt;Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 06:23:06 +0200 (CEST)
&gt;From: integer@www.god-emil.dk
&gt;To: lev@shoko.calarts.edu
&gt;Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: [ot] [!nt] \n2+0\ danz!ng = 01 good metafor ne +?
&gt;Sender: owner-list@rhizome.org
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&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;bkausz !t !z good 2 knou r!ght +?
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;01 very very courageous person from Eastern Europe wrote in regards to
&gt;the Syndicate forum financed by the V2 and Transmediale artistic
organizations
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;MDear Inke,aybe because of my very different background - I 
&gt;&gt;grew up in a totalitarian country, where I was forced into 
&gt;&gt;a conspirational existence, I know what it is like - i am 
&gt;&gt;very sensible to censorship and inclusion/exclusion 
&gt;&gt;matters, and i strongly disagree with banning anybody from 
&gt;&gt;the list. 
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;If nn does will not have opportunity to show up 
&gt;&gt;on the syndicate list I will inform the 'Index on 
&gt;&gt;Censorship' forum and paper about the situation created, 
&gt;&gt;and suggest to start collecting all records referring to 
&gt;&gt;nn's case. This paper made echoing worldwide also Salman 
&gt;&gt;Rushdie's affair.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;1001 ventuze. nn
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;    /_/
&gt;                          /
&gt;             \            \/       i should like to be a human plant
&gt;            \/       __
&gt;                    __/
&gt;                                   i will shed leaves in the shade
&gt;        \_\                        because i like stepping on bugs
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--
&gt;Netochka Nezvanova                   nezvanova@eusocial.com
&gt;                                    http://www.eusocial.com
&gt;                                  http://www.biohakc.com
&gt;                                http://www.ggttctttat.com/!
&gt;   n  r  .   5        !!!      http://steim.nl/leaves/petalz
&gt;*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- --*--*--*--*--*--*--
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;+ See sidepanel for exciting recipe ideas.
&gt;-&gt; Rhizome.org
&gt;-&gt; post: list@rhizome.org
&gt;-&gt; questions: info@rhizome.org
&gt;-&gt; subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/subscribe.rhiz
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<content>like all curators he had to obey orders and was not
qualified to receive explanations








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<content>NN = Mata Hari


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<content>hi patrick and all,

i think you raise some interesting issues which are worth thinking about
on a scope larger than the NN issue. especially since there will probably
always be some Problematic Persona (PP), who some want to read and for
others "ruins" the list.  it's been suggested that the PP in discussion at
the moment is actually a computer program. should that be grounds for
disqualification, or would some consider that aesthetically interesting,
and free expression on the part of the programmers?  it's been suggested
that our PP is merely posting to create a mystique which assists in
marketing its commercial software. again, if true, some may consider this
grounds for disqualification;  others may continue to be interested in
PP's texts in this context, still others may point out the blurry lines
that can creep up between resisting dominant cultures and commercialism,
such as arose on some lists regarding the alternative top-level-domain
project.

so maybe it's the interface that's the problem. some suggest that the
answer to a PP is user-applied filtering, but other readers don't know how
to filter. perhaps a Filtering FAQ at minimum would be helpful. it would
need to include all the popular mail programs. and it would still be
problematic, because, as has been demonstrated, anyone at any moment can
become a PP. and also, for people who do client-side filtering (most
people), they still have to wait/pay to download all the messages. but i
think it would help alleviate things a lot.

the listserv as a distribution means makes me think of the recent articles
in some of the mainstream media about the current "dumb" internet vs. a
hypothetical "smart" one.  "dumb" internet means the internet doesn't know
what is being sent across it; the "smarts" is in the application. some
corporations are blaming the "dumb" internet for their lack of profits,
saying they can't control it so therefore they've got no way to control
quality/reliability and thus the failed profits.  corporations like
microsoft are developing "smart" systems for the internet, such as .NET,
in which they control access centrally.  (translation: keey paying
microsoft money or lose access to your software.)

"dumb" and "smart" as used here aren't value judgments (not from me at
least), but rather a description of where the "brains" (control) of the
communication network are located.

a list or BBS can be thought of as parallelling this dumb/smart structure.
an unmoderated listserv is "dumb" at the headend, and if you don't filter,
then it becomes "dumb" at the client end too. on the other hand, some
people filter, and so for them, the app is "smart." but the non-filtering
people probably don't think of it this way, and for many of them, the
signal-to-noise ratio seems too low. on top of that, some s*bscribers are
paying for the bandwidth to download the messages before they can filter;
others have no bandwidth fees, and still others have the ability to filter
on the server.

the irony is, listservs are often chosen for discussion groups over, say,
web-based forums, because they have very little technical requirement of
the user - after all, it's just ASCII text e-mail - and can work on any
computer. a very egalitarian thing; everyone's got equal access to the
data as long as they've got a computer, a modem, and basic internet
access, right? oops - not really the case anymore. we're really not all
dealing with the same list - nowadays there's a lot of "smartness" - or
not - happening on the client end - and in all different flavors.

there are some who suggest that maybe Syndicate is over, that it's
outlived its usefulness. but maybe it's the listserv format that's
outlived its usefulness? are there other possible options/modifications?

the slashdot format comes to mind as an example. NOTE: i am not suggesting
that the slashdot format should be literally applied to syndicate, or any
other listserv. there are various reasons why
i think that would not be a good idea. and it's certainly not perfect
for slashdot itself. but i think its format is worth
looking at as a bouncing off point for idea-mulling. some features:

1) readers have the choice of reading comments in chronological order,
threaded, or by rating points. they also can set a threshold of ratings,
so that low rated posts (presumably trolls) don't show up in their
browser. or they can read them all.

2) readers "moderate" one another's comments. but moderation never means
the comment is deleted; only that it gains or subtracts points.
Problematic Personalities are likely to have their comments moderated down
to -1 (troll), but they can still be read by those who wish to. (of course
this process is itself wildly problematic, as ideologies and other things
can of course play a part, but...)

3) currently-moderating readers are "meta-moderated" by other readers to
prevent abuse (hopefully.) readers who are consistently meta-moderated as
being bad moderators lose moderator privileges.

4) anyone who wants to post anonymously (Anonymous Coward) starts out with
0 points; anyone posting under their real nick starts with 1, each time
they post. most trolls post as AC. so, if you want to read slashdot
without all the PP posts, you set your threshold to 0 or -1. you are
choosing to let the community at large decide what is troll and what is
not, as opposed to downloading a page full of PP posts. if on the other
hand you want to see the PP posts, then you set your threshold to show
everything. (you still have other options to sort by thread, etc.)

4a) some Anonymous Coward's aren't trolls; they're people who need to post
anonymously to protect themselves from whomever. those posts can be and
are moderated up, despite the one-point handicap they start out with.

5) the whole thing is wildly problematic of course. but it's interesting
in that a) it has "smart" aspects at the individual client end but also in
the user community at large. yet there is very little "smart"
*centralized* control, as there is in the microsoft .NET example

b) every user has the same semi-smart interface.  (the web browser.) of
course web browsers are different, but i believe it even works fine with
lynx (text-based browser.)

of course, one *big* drawback is that you have to stay online to really
read slashdot; you can't download it via POP and then disconnect - not
very good if you're paying for your online time.

to reiterate: i'm not suggesting that syndicate or any other listserv
should be converted to slashcode or any other web-based system. however, i
think it could be useful to consider whether an alternative structure
could be developed. maybe offering a client-side app that could work with
downloaded mail and allow users to more easily sort messages? maybe two
separate streams of the listserv (something like there are on rhizome and
nettime, but with less centralized moderation);  one which includes all
mail, and one which filters out or makes a daily digest of messages by
people who send more than 20 messages a week (or some other criteria... )

those aren't terribly creative or great suggestions specifically, but
again, my point is really to point out that everyone is not experiencing
the same list, that e-mail is not an egalitarian experience - people have
access to different technology and have different knowlege levels in how
to filter, sort, download, etc...  so perhaps there can be ways to address
that, or at the very least acknowledge it.


-@


On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, patrick lichty wrote:

&gt;
&gt; So far, I have outlined an argument aimed at mapping the issues at
&gt; stake regarding free speech on listservs.  Next, what could be some
&gt; protocols for culling the signal to noise ratio?
&gt;
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<subject>Lovink: Re: Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _NN - what happend</subject>
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<content>From: "geert" &lt;geert@basis.desk.nl&gt;
To: "syndicate" &lt;syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de&gt;
Subject: Re: Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _NN - what happend
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:41:40 +1000

From: "Andrej Tisma" &lt;aart@eunet.yu&gt;

&gt; If you and Andreas think you will feel better after uns*bscribing me
&gt; from this list too, just do it. From now on you don't have my moral
&gt; confidence. I think it is the best for you to leave on this list just
&gt; the Soros Swastika worshiping people and exchange your stupid corporate
&gt; info with each other.

Be a brave man, Andrej Tisma. If you have lost your moral confidence, then
unsubscribe yourself and leave Syndicate to the corporate fascist soros
swastika people.

Who stops you from starting another list?

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<subject>Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _censorship, syndicate &amp; nn</subject>
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[&lt;jaka@jaka.org&gt; *ns*bscribed from Syndicate on 15 Aug 2001 before posting
to the Syndicate list - that's why his message bounced and not because of 
censorship]


Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 02:10:35 +0200
From: Jaka Zeleznikar &lt;jaka@jaka.org&gt;
Organization: http://www.jaka.org
To: syndicate &lt;syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de&gt;
Subject: _censorship, syndicate &amp; nn



Dear Inke, Andreas, Eric, Lorenzo, Syndicate members


#_1 Inke, Andreas, Eric
#_2 new list ?
#_3 Lorenzo




# 1
Inke, Andreas, Eric

I respect very much the work you and some other people put into the
Syndicate.

Still i disagree with the way Syndicate is working: censorship and off
list decision making.
This is not only about nn - it's about general attitude to the list.

Nn beside some relevant and poetic statements also bringed a disturbing
noise to the list, this i agree. Still i think mail filter is better
solution then censorship.

I was accused of being 'opinion maker' on Syndicate. Not true.
I joust wished to actively participate in something i considered as
'my*' mailing list.

*meaning: i felt like part of it

But don't worry, i will take very passive role on the list in the future
if i will not [x]ns[x]bscribe from it. So your opinion will not be
disturbed by a member.

And syndicate will became more peaceful, we-all-agree list?
(Not to be taken to seriously and not completely as a joke.)



#_2
Idea of 'free-syndicate@jaka.org' / another list - first i took this as
insult but more that i think about it more i like the idea. There is
tension on Syndicate list.

By creating another free, unmoderated (net/web art) list problem is
solved, nobody have to [x]nsubscribe from Syndicate and complain about
censorship, some people get what they wish (i don' think only to nn if
nn would s[x]bscribe to it at all) and other on Syndicate don't get what
they don't wish.

A list not against/for Syndicate, not Syndicate+nn and alike and not
for/against nn. For all kind of experimental and already established
(web net online ...) art or art related things. And definitely with no
words: 'syndicate' and 'jaka' in the name.

If you have some thoughts on that, have software know how, web space,
server, idea for the name, to much money, statement against creation of
something like that, to tell me this exist already ... please contact me
(jaka@jaka.org + cc: shareartware@netscape.net). So if there is some
interest we can create temporary and open list to plan how to create
such list (+ web archive of so far nonpublic mails).



#_3
To Lorenzo: in net communication we tend to be over emotional, but to
express a dead wish is a stupid thing to do.
(Try to do the same and mention one of important + famous politic and
i'm shure you will get a 'friendly' visit/attention from the police.)



click,
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<subject>Syndicate: Mark Eaton: Re: nn</subject>
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Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 22:33:12 +0200
Subject: BOUNCE syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de:    Non-member submission from [mark 
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Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 20:37:14 +0000 (UTC)
From: mark eaton &lt;eaton@freeshell.org&gt;
X-X-Sender:  &lt;eaton@sdf.lonestar.org&gt;
To: &lt;syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de&gt;
Subject: Re: nn


i feel it would be vastly unfortunate to loose nn on this list.
do those who run this list desire to sculpt its flow? They may restrain
themselves, but my guess is yes; many of us may want to. I have the
vague desire that it be 'better'. &lt;grin&gt;.  Nn wants to sculpt too. have
you noticed? but theres a differece: sculpting a amalgam like a
list/society/discourse is a different thing than wanting to
sculpt individuals (as nn does). so, what is implied in the difference
of approach? or if you like, your favourite means to better quality
discourse? what shall we sculpt today?

-Mark Eaton





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<subject>Syndicate: opinion makers</subject>
<from>Frederic Madre</from>
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<content>
&gt;From: Jaka Zeleznikar &lt;jaka@jaka.org&gt;
&gt;I was accused of being 'opinion maker' on Syndicate.

oh... this was meant as an insult ?

f.

 &gt; Not true.

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Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:45:14 -0400
From: saul ostrow &lt;so5@nyu.edu&gt;
Subject: Re: Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _NN - what happend?


So integer wins -- these splitters and wreckers know how to carry out their
task -- invade the healthy body -- test its defenses and sow divisiveness and 
then leave nothing but bickering and name calling behind and we in our 
blindness do their bidding -- As we know or should by now our desires and our 
ideals can be used against us -- they can be stolen and distorted -- this  is 
what integer did -- it made us come to terms with what  are the limits of 
freedom not as mere anarchistic license to impose ones will on others but as an 
act of responsibility which acknowledges the rights and existence of others and 
the necessity to test and redress those when they become restrictive  --  
integer was not capable of giving us the respect that we gave it and took our 
tolerance as a weakness, preying upon our insecurities -- this is something to 
learn from not bicker about

Syndicate admin. wrote:
&gt; 
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&gt; Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 22:30:36 +0200
&gt; From: syndicate-owner@eg-r.isp-eg.de
&gt; Reply-To: syndicate-owner@eg-r.isp-eg.de
&gt; Subject: BOUNCE syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de:     Admin request of type
/\buns\w*b/i
&gt; at line 7
&gt; To: syndicate@v2.nl
&gt; 
&gt; Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 22:34:07 +0200
&gt; From: Andrej Tisma &lt;aart@EUnet.yu&gt;
&gt; Organization: Happiness
&gt; To: syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de
&gt; Subject: Re: Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _NN - what happend?
&gt; 
&gt; Inke Arns wrote:
&gt; &gt;i am not ready to administrate a mailing list which is called &gt;"[integer],
&gt; &gt;formerly known as Syndicate".
&gt; 
&gt; Now I think you are administrating the Corporate Fascist! list.
&gt; Are you satisfied now?
&gt; If you and Andreas think you will feel better after uns*bscribing me
&gt; from this list too, just do it. From now on you don't have my moral
&gt; confidence. I think it is the best for you to leave on this list just
&gt; the Soros Swastika worshiping people and exchange your stupid corporate
&gt; info with each other.
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<subject>Of korpse we've seen this before....</subject>
<from>Gregory Taylor</from>
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<date>Wed, 15 Aug 2001 12:53:21 -0500</date>
<content>

Inke Arns wrote:

&gt; At 13:35 15.08.01 +0200, Andreas Broeckmann wrote:
&gt; &gt;[taylor works for cycling74, the company that owns MAX, the parent-software
&gt; &gt;to NATO which nn tries to oedipally kill; -a]

Actually, we *dont'* own Max. We're it's exclusive
publishers, having inherited the code base from IRCAM
in '80 or so, and having done all the development since
that time [including all the QuickTime-based movie
objects from which nato was probably derived]. Max
is jointly held by Cycling '74 and IRCAM, that relationship
being renegotiated since Gibson pulled the plug on Opcode,
who used to be the third "owner."

We do own all of MSP, however.

Oedipal? Naah - O. didn't know who his father
*was.* NN does - a marriage of the Max/MSP SDK
and the QuickTime spec, in large measure. The
logorrhea is nurture, not nature.

&gt; thanks for forwarding gregory's email, andreas, this reads like an island
&gt; of sanity in the sea of unhealthy insults ;)

Aw, shucks.

I just wanted to mention in some way that,
despite the claims of utterly revolutionary
modes of action, etc. etc. etc. etc. to the
contrary, the pattern of behavior is something
that any number of us have seen before. But
since very few of us appear to have decided
that there's any use in publicly engaging in
any countertheatrics, the later targets don't
have much contact with the earlier targets.
Sometimes a friendly "We've seen this, and
it will pass." word of comfort seems in order.

I think that what did it for me finally was the
"I will now reveal details of Andreas' private
life...." shit. Here's the place where the 'struct
absolutely *depends* on its being constituted
as an anonymous bunch of folks hiding behind
a bit NN cutout. The brave new cyberworld
wasn't supposed to be about this, was it?

I'm not sure who the rest of you all are,
but welcome to the Society of the
InsufficieNNtly Worshipful. Andreas is,
bien sur, correct about my relationship with
Cycling '74. If any of you have any questions
about either our specific experiences, or
perhaps about the drearily predictable version
of the NN Big Lie campaign with respect to
c74, ask. While we don't publicly engage,
we're all pretty upfront about stuff in private
(fight memes with memes. In our case, personal
narratives from real persons delivered only
to the interested).

with every good wish and my condolences,
gregory taylor
_
knowledge is not enough/science is not enough/
love is dreaming/this equation/Gregory Taylor/
WORT-FM 89.9/Madison, WI/ http://www.rtqe.net/


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<subject>Tisma: Re: Lovink: Re: Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _NN - what happend</subject>
<from>Syndicate admin</from>
<to>n/a</to>
<date>Wed, 15 Aug 2001 19:54:12 +0200 (CEST)</date>
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Subject: BOUNCE syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de:     Admin request of type /
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Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 18:39:29 +0200
From: Andrej Tisma &lt;aart@EUnet.yu&gt;
Subject: Re: Lovink: Re: Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _NN - what happend

From: "geert" &lt;geert@basis.desk.nl&gt;
&gt; 
&gt; Be a brave man, Andrej Tisma. If you have lost your moral confidence, then
&gt; *ns*bscribe yourself and leave Syndicate to the corporate fascist soros
&gt; swastika people.
&gt; 
&gt; Who stops you from starting another list?
&gt; 
&gt; Geert

Oh look who's here, the famous Big Brother Lovink, the Great Censor of
the open net.
Sure Geert I am not brave as you, like when you removed me from the
Nettime list without any warning, just because I was criticizing the
Kosovo Liberation Army thugs in 1998. But I know, KLA is also sponsored
by your papa Soros.
I wander would you dare to s*bscribe me on Nettime list now? Ha? What
would papa say!


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<subject>Syndicate: Re: NN = NON ENTITY...</subject>
<from>furtherfield</from>
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<content>the evidence of non debate and isolationist tactics is below...
need I say anymore...

marc garrett

on 15/8/01 3:43 AM, integer@www.god-emil.dk at integer@www.god-emil.dk
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt; I did not want to comment or waste my time on this but it seems that I will
&gt;&gt;&gt; concede now - and put my head on the block like everyone else has been
&gt;&gt;&gt; doing.
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 1001 smiles+++. male losers - they are always feeling guilty about something
&gt; or other.
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt; The reason is that on rhizome I was attacked personally a few times by NN.
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; nn laughs + slaps you again. come on kr!!!!ket!! i lv++++++++ stepping on
&gt; drunken refuse.
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; nn - dze deepezt mean!ng ov rep!raz!on
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; \
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; + See sidepanel for exciting recipe ideas.
&gt; -&gt; Rhizome.org
&gt; -&gt; post: list@rhizome.org
&gt; -&gt; questions: info@rhizome.org
&gt; -&gt; subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/subscribe.rhiz
&gt; -&gt; give: http://rhizome.org/support
&gt; +
&gt; Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
&gt; Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php3
&gt; 
&gt; 

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<subject>Syndicate: The  Syndicate's Revolution...</subject>
<from>furtherfield</from>
<to>n/a</to>
<date>Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:12:17 +0000</date>
<content>Below more evidence of the facile non productive remarks that have graced
the lists,  blocking real creative intentions.

We are dealing with sub standard male type programmers here who are not
interested in art, freedom, debate, life, and global unity = smells pretty
close to fascism to me.

(NN and the mob) have always actively threatened many liberated thinkers,
artists, list members for challenging their macho actions.

TIme for a change 'The  Syndicate's Revolution' is at hand - soon at last we
can all speak to each other about ideas, events, creative politics freely -
I do believe that we will actually begin to experience of free speach...

Wow could that really happen? Let's see - watch this space...

marc garrett

  
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I did not want to comment or waste my time on this but it seems that I will
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; concede now - and put my head on the block like everyone else has been
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; doing.
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; 1001 smiles+++. male losers - they are always feeling guilty about
&gt; something or other.
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; The reason is that on rhizome I was attacked personally a few times by NN.
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; nn laughs + slaps you again. come on kr!!!!ket!! i lv++++++++ stepping on
&gt; drunken refuse.
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; nn - dze deepezt mean!ng ov rep!raz!on
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; \
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; + See sidepanel for exciting recipe ideas.
&gt;&gt; -&gt; Rhizome.org
&gt;&gt; -&gt; post: list@rhizome.org
&gt;&gt; -&gt; questions: info@rhizome.org
&gt;&gt; -&gt; subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/subscribe.rhiz
&gt;&gt; -&gt; give: http://rhizome.org/support
&gt;&gt; +
&gt;&gt; Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
&gt;&gt; Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php3
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; .           .    ....         .....
&gt; net.wurker][M.ollient][
&gt; pro.ject.ile x.blooms.x .go.here.
&gt; xXXx             
&gt; ./.              
&gt; www.hotkey.net.au/~netwurker

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<subject>Syndicate: NN future</subject>
<from>Diana McCarty</from>
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<date>Wed, 15 Aug 2001 22:47:04 +0200</date>
<content>Hello Syndicalists, 

Just a short note: if this is the syndicate without NN, 
please bring her/him/them/it back. Or maybe the answer
would be to start a list for the NN traumatized? 
I don't know if there was more going on in the
background that the admin had to deal with, but what
is going on in the foreground is frightening. I'd much
rather read/delete the interesting/annoying/funny mails
from NN than what is getting generated at the moment. 
 

disappointed,

diana
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<subject>Syndicate: NN - is not the issue</subject>
<from>furtherfield</from>
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<date>Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:50:56 +0000</date>
<content>I didn't actually know until you so directly and honestly mentioned below
that it was about winning...

And the debate goes much further than the singular issue of NN. It is about
the programmers themselves imposing their attitudes on others.

Lets all grow up shall we for a moment... I know that it is traditional to
let fascists bully people in the western world. And walk about in big boots
kicking anyone who declares ideas different to their own limited remit.

But I am not interested in being used as some one elses toy by another toy,
which is what all this nonsensical imposition is all about. To sacrifice
other people's freedoms for a mere idea is the typical, institutional state
sucking, weak willed means of thought that threatens collective thought.

The psychology that has been imposed onto the list members by the
programmers irresponsible actions is causing problems that a few are quite
happy to sacrifice fir the sake of their own prestige.

Now that is really KOOL isn't it...for the sake of the few, create a
programme to divert true creative freedom from taking its course - this is a
right wing tactic... divide and rule (heard of it?) institutionalized
curators would love this idea, plus NATO who are/have paid for such a dodgy
enterprise at our cost.

NN - is not the issue - its the programmers who have let it reign and
dominate true questioning, don't you get it yet?

Please get real everyone or are we going to just let these thugs in cyber
suits who look kool, without the real soul for change - true change that is,
rule our lives in cuber space as they flippantly say Fuck you!

As they boast (typical macho style) in bloke-like mentality say: We are the
Winners...

if that is so then corporate non enterprise and all its delusory antics will
carry on ruling our lives for its own usual corrupt reasons !!!POWER!!!

Respect to all who are awake enough to reach inside their unprocessed,
mediated minds to question...

marc garrett 

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<subject>Re: Syndicate: NN future</subject>
<from>furtherfield</from>
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<date>Wed, 15 Aug 2001 22:26:15 +0000</date>
<content>What is frightening about it all Diana...
do you not see what has really been going on?
Or are you from the same stock, institutional gang, pulling ranks etc
I find that more frightening...

respect from Marc

on 15/8/01 8:47 PM, Diana McCarty at diana@vifu.de wrote:

&gt; Hello Syndicalists,
&gt; 
&gt; Just a short note: if this is the syndicate without NN,
&gt; please bring her/him/them/it back. Or maybe the answer
&gt; would be to start a list for the NN traumatized?
&gt; I don't know if there was more going on in the
&gt; background that the admin had to deal with, but what
&gt; is going on in the foreground is frightening. I'd much
&gt; rather read/delete the interesting/annoying/funny mails
&gt; from NN than what is getting generated at the moment.
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; disappointed,
&gt; 
&gt; diana
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<subject>Syndicate: infancy + childhood</subject>
<from>Andrej Tisma</from>
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<date>Thu, 16 Aug 2001 01:07:53 +0200</date>
<content>NN WROTE:
---------------------------------------------



Geert Lovink "FF" &lt;geert@basis.desk.nl&gt; playing the schoolyard buuuuuoy


&gt;&gt; Be a brave man, Andrej Tisma.


UUu dear, permit someone to respire playfully
+ become ultra intoxicated with lovely pheromones.


Geert, we are all women [brave isn't necessary. women are brave] here
except for you and Andreas
so, why don't _you be a M A N and tell us about your illegal activities
in your own articulate maniera, 
so that we do not have to exert our selves. 


or if you prefer since you are a M A N,  
draw a picture for us.




&gt;&gt; If you have lost your moral confidence, then
&gt;&gt; uns*bscribe yourself 


Geert, be a M A N and uns*bscribe all of us!

It may be better for your mental health than covering up your cronies'
Andreas Broeckmann's, V2's and Transmediale's actions [against humanity]




&gt;&gt; and leave Syndicate to the corporate fascist soros
&gt;&gt; swastika people.
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; Who stops you from starting another list?

&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; Geert
  
   You Lovink. Because you steal public money and use it against
humanity.





Are you coming or do you prefer being dragged before the tribunal +?


I can understand that you may want to cover up Andreas Broeckmann's
activities
since he ensures you receive some funding for your modest work, but
Geert,
if you continue like this - you will only dig yourself in the
super.filth 
more. more and more.



And by the way. I wanted to ask since ... 
Are you a RASIST M A N?  Seriously, because everyone you have liquidated
is Eastern European.

Am wondering whether you are conducting a genocide or ... you just feel
very attracted to us +?
It _is why you visit us right +?  You aren't coming over to _hurt us are
you +?

It is amusing because, the other M A N (Broeckmann) controls my travel
plans and projects.
I think that is very inhospitable. 



Last question if I may. What is your education Lovink +?
Andreas - what is yours +?


Reason for my impropriety - I aspire to be a V2 and Transmediale
employee as well
(or a M A N (whichever you like) and ... I wish to be very well
prepared.


NN - respiring painfully



















Update: 


        Andreas Broeckmann. Inke Arns. Geert Lovink are controlling 
        all information arriving on Syndicate and Nettime.

        ie. all pertinent information is blocked on Nettime and
Syndicate.   (entirely_


   
        if one is silenced - even Andreas, Inke and Geert can appear
democratic and articulate.
 


                 there is a problem however : the neo cortex goes silent
in the presence of neo fascism
                  -  http://eusocial.com/242.art.mafia/open-hand.html
                  -  http://eusocial.com/242.cast/




        Besides NN others are now being clandestinely silenced on
Syndicate.
        essentially any one who has found the Andreas. Inke. Geert
inarticulate axis intellectually laughable 
        has been designated for silencing. 









There exist two+ issues:


1. the legal aspect.
 



2. the principal concern is others may acquaint themselves with this V2
and Transmediale
   financed art.mafia which

   has been destroying artists' and others' lives for years 
   and very incompetently and clandestinely deciding what is and what
isn't.





  Andreas Broeckmann. Inke Arns. Geert Lovink, the V2 and Transmediale
organizations TRADE IN FAVORS.
  And thus a "code of silence" has been implemented by them around all
public information hubs that they control.

  
  Andreas Broeckmann "assists" Inke Arns on Syndicate. Geert Lovink
"assists" Andreas Broeckmann and 
  Inke Arns on Nettime.  Andreas Broeckmann ensures Geert Lovink's
modest work is financed.




  Now, with all roads sealed Andreas Broeckmann, Inke Arns, Geert
Lovink, 
  will attempt to paint their personal ring as the wish of the people.

  .. standard criminal maneuvering.











    -   Contact the V2 and Transmediale organizations and send them a
clear message:   Stop financing the Art Mafia!

        Request the immediate resignation of Inke Arns, Andreas
Broeckmann, and Geert Lovink.


        and a through investigation into organization-wide corruption at
V2 and Transmediale 

         [same same same + same + same + same thing. year after year
after year after year. korporat sludge]
          there is less corruption in politics than in the V2 and
Transmediale organizations.          sludge]



 

        V2 organization  - v2@v2.nl

        Transmediale organization  - info@transmediale.de








               One may be frightened and it is understandable. 

               After all Andreas Broeckmann. Inke Arns. Geert Lovink,
the V2 and Transmediale organizations
               may decide one's travel plans. Either by supporting death
\ murder threats or the more subtil
               and expedient "favors"




               One may reason - It is unreasonable to sacrifice real
advantage for mere truth.

               After all Andreas Broeckmann. Inke Arns. Geert Lovink,
the V2 and Transmediale organizations
               may decide one's career plans. Either by supporting death
\ murder threats or the more subtil
               and expedient "favors"


               It isn't unreasonable. It is emotional. We are taught
reason but also ... we are taught emotion.

               Reason and its quale, emotion, rise together - to heights
of musical, poetic or dramatic composition.
               Rational acts can be passionately engaged in or coldly
executed.

               That, some have called unreason, emotion, transports us
               into clarity and beauty, and liberates us from the
despair of isolation.

               It is by being attentive to our emotional education that
we grow the wings to cross the solipsistic gulf.


               This is reasonable. [2x of course has always known. some
... just take longer than others. coming +?]








*** Not everyone employed by the V2 and Transmediale organizations is
sludge, hence ...
please be gentle on the curves.





               :  to V2 and Transmediale - this is a scandal. 
               :  Stop financing the Art.Mafia!




NN (a noble act 
    + public vocabulary of private distress)











            related: 

                  http://eusocial.com/242.art.mafia/open-hand.html
                  http://eusocial.com/242.cast/













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<subject>Re: Syndicate: visit of the uniform</subject>
<from>rl</from>
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<content>&gt; i respect your opinion and if it turns
&gt; out by, say, the weekend, that there are clearly more people in favour of
&gt; resubscribing nn, i will suggest to the other admins that we do it.
&gt;

In that case count me in favour of someone organising an nn list, so
that all the interested parties can join it.

I value the syndicate list, and appreciate its openness. 

So in any case, armed with my trusty filter...

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&gt;X-From_: integer@www.god-emil.dk  Thu Aug 16 11:10:30 2001
&gt;Delivered-To: netwurker@hotkey.net.au
&gt;Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 03:07:16 +0200 (CEST)
&gt;From: integer@www.god-emil.dk
&gt;To: info@furtherfield.org, list@rhizome.org
&gt;Subject: shared environment
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;furtherfilth (info@furtherfield.org) stop your filthy personal agenda now
worm.
&gt;
&gt;NEWS: you have just hurt someone who has done absolutely nothing to you.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;Monster!!!
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;Andreas Broeckmann. Inke Arns. Geert Lovink.
&gt;
&gt;Think about what you are doing NOW!!!!!
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;You can butcher me.  If you continue hurting others 
&gt;
&gt;there shall be a terrifying sound: THE SOUND OF PROTRACTED
PAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!n
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;Monsters!!!
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
 
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<subject>Syndicate: RHIZOME_RAW: let me treszpasz ur boundar!ez</subject>
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<date>Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:40:46 +1000</date>
<content>&gt;X-From_: owner-list@rhizome.org  Thu Aug 16 13:35:26 2001
&gt;Delivered-To: netwurker@hotkey.net.au
&gt;Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 04:13:45 +0200 (CEST)
&gt;From: integer@www.god-emil.dk
&gt;To: syndicate@v2.nl
&gt;Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: let me treszpasz ur boundar!ez
&gt;Sender: owner-list@rhizome.org
&gt;Reply-To: integer@www.god-emil.dk
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;From: furtherfield &lt;info@furtherfield.org&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;To: &lt;syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de&gt;, Julie &lt;bluedahlias@mindspring.com&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Sender: syndicate-owner@eg-r.isp-eg.de
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Yep it's time for a change Julie - NN has been killing off everyone's space
&gt;&gt;&gt;on this list for far too long (plus its programmers), if we all stand
&gt;&gt;&gt;together against this corporate programme,
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;deleuze uakex up. azkz nn 4 zom uatr + trvlz bak 2 zl!!!p.
&gt;nn borouz h!z m9nd + za!z. fascism is a mass action.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;deleuze = zpeakz !n h!z zl!!!p. ! m ztart!ng 2 undrztnd dze f!z!olog! ov
orgazm.
&gt;
&gt;nn zm!lz + openz her parachute.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;      !t readz - Yep it's time for a change.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;nn - dze ekztendd 4rm ov !nter.pla!
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;nn - arkitektural dekoration. LETZ KONJUGATE!!!!!  - [deleuze haz a
n!ghtmare] [nn zm!lz + fl!pz h!m upz!de doun]
&gt;
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&gt;
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&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt;  -
&gt; 
&gt;  Netochka Nezvanova    -  eksplod!ng galax!ez + !nflaz!onar! un!versez
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&gt;
&gt;+ post punk christian network
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<subject>Re: Syndicate: NN future</subject>
<from>Andreas Broeckmann</from>
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<date>Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:22:19 +0200</date>
<content>folks,

&gt;Just a short note: if this is the syndicate without NN,
&gt;please bring her/him/them/it back.

i agree with diana. this is unbearable. there seems to be a clear desire to
bring nn back to this list.

Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:03:55 +0200
To: abroeck@transmediale.de
From: majordom@eg-r.isp-eg.de
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&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; s*bscribe syndicate integer@www.god-emil.dk
Succeeded.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;


for those of you who are not happy about this: there is an initiative for a
new, redefined list that will be established hopefully within the next few
days.

some people who have been on this list for 5 1/2 years have started
uns*bscribing, so you should not be too sure any more who is actually on
this list from now on.

regards,
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<subject>Syndicate: "][mez][" 4warding of NN's mails</subject>
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Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:16:11 +1000
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...i've kept fairly silent until now about the NN action-rictus, and will
continue doing so whilst the list is overflowing up with retro-ridiculous
opinions and sentiments that in no way take a net.wurked dynamic in2
account...

..i do need, however, 2 x.plain *y* i'm sending NN's replies to the
list.....as NN has been uns*bbed without a list consensus, i'll continue 2
4ward her replies as i assume a rite-of-reply should be allowed under the
paradigm the syndicate list has adopted.......

..interesting that the word syndicate can mean:
_A loose affiliation of gangsters in charge of organized criminal activities_


in a net.wurked spirit,
][mez][


 
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<subject>Syndicate: "][mez][" 4warding of NN's mails</subject>
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...i've kept fairly silent until now about the NN action-rictus, and will
continue doing so whilst the list is overflowing up with retro-ridiculous
opinions and sentiments that in no way take a net.wurked dynamic in2
account...

..i do need, however, 2 x.plain *y* i'm sending NN's replies to the
list.....as NN has been uns*bbed without a list consensus, i'll continue 2
4ward her replies as i assume a rite-of-reply should be allowed under the
paradigm the syndicate list has adopted.......

..interesting that the word syndicate can mean:
_A loose affiliation of gangsters in charge of organized criminal activities_


in a net.wurked spirit,
][mez][


 
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<subject>???</subject>
<from>integer</from>
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<date>Thu, 16 Aug 2001 10:06:23 +0200 (CEST)</date>
<content>









                        ma! ! hav zom uatr plz +?







































uen old behav!ourz = d!zolvd _ neu behav!ourz muzt b learn b! kooperat!v !nterakz!on 
ekzpreszd through komplemntar! goal d!rektd movmntz ov perzonz hav!ng 01 shared env!ronmnt + komon a!m.


re:edukaz!on through danz!ng.






nn zku!!!ntz,

az Ted Byfield says.

Cheers!!!






[Lovink haz a n!ghtmare] [nn zm!lz + fl!pz h!m upz!de doun]


     \\ pr!or!t!ez = kan change abruptl!






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<subject>???</subject>
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<date>Thu, 16 Aug 2001 10:11:25 +0200 (CEST)</date>
<content>




furtherfield &lt;info@furtherfield.org&gt;


&gt;Hello Integer,

nn: inflexible yet aquatic good-morning good-morning good-morning to you


&gt;I will stop. 

nn: thank you love.


&gt;I'd rather get back with my work which is important to me.

nn: awareness is important


&gt;If you do not hassle me, I will not hassle you..

nn: i am blind.


&gt;bye for now....

nn: bye love


&gt;enjoy the future

nn programmers: if you give us your address we shall mail you 
                a western version of nn. [m!!!!!!!!!!!au]




nn: lorenzo - i am the seamless synaptic web of your neuropil. 
    [translated for you - my address is your brain. 


                                        NEVER SHOOT ME IF YOU KANT FIND ME!!!!!]

                                        NEVER SHOOT ME IF YOU KANT FIND ME BEAUTIFUL!!!!!]

                                        NEVER SHOOT ME!!!!!]
                                                                            |
                                        SHOOT YOUR BRAIN!!!!!]
       
                                                                            |
                                                                            |


                                                                            |

                                                                            |
&gt;respect from marc

                                                                            |

                           NEVER RESPEKT ME!!!!!]

                           NEVER MARRY ME!!!!!]                             |
                                                                           
                           ALWAYS ADMIRE ME!!!!!]  -------------------------







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<subject>Syndicate: signe.la</subject>
<from>integer</from>
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<date>Thu, 16 Aug 2001 10:43:17 +0200 (CEST)</date>
<content>




Andreas Broeckmann &lt;abroeck@transmediale.de&gt;


&gt;&gt;folks,

bleahhhhh


&gt;&gt;&gt;Just a short note: if this is the syndicate without NN,
&gt;&gt;&gt;please bring her/him/them/it back.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;i agree with diana. this is unbearable. 

cest ta faute.


&gt;&gt;there seems to be a clear desire to
&gt;&gt;bring nn back to this list.


cest ta faute.




\\ i learned something about you as well. your brain needs more sex. 





&gt;some people who have been on this list for 5 1/2 years have started
&gt;uns*bscribing, so you should not be too sure any more who is actually on
&gt;this list from now on.


albanian citizenz came `back`. 







&gt;regards,
&gt;-a


wait. wait. wait. dont go away just yet. 

before you amuse your self with geert

sign the dotted line. [dont worry - Anna Balint would never do what you did]







- 242.rambouillet.accord. 


Everyone shall feel much more relaxed once Anna Balint administers Syndicate 
with equal rights and equal power to the M E N of course.



M A N ........... Andreas Broeckmann:  - signe.la             date: - date hier



-








now we go to macedonia.



\\ nn zm!lz + openz her parachute.










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<subject>Re: Syndicate: NN future</subject>
<from>furtherfield</from>
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<date>Thu, 16 Aug 2001 08:43:26 +0000</date>
<content>I will stop now - 
Point taken, NN can carry on with the emptiness - I will shit up without
being backed up by those to whom it concerns....

there you go (censored)............silenced

marc garrett





on 15/8/01 9:55 PM, Saul Albert at saul.albert@virgin.net wrote:

&gt; Marc! Give it a rest mate!
&gt; 
&gt; You are over reacting spectacularly.
&gt; 
&gt; Please, just let it go!
&gt; 
&gt; I don't find your posts any more interesting or helpful than integer's and
&gt; you are currently performing a similar function. Using the rhetoric of
&gt; integer's idiot-politics achieves nothing.
&gt; 
&gt; I really enjoyed reading your "life as a shit" post the other day, and enjoy
&gt; your work and sites, but you really need to calm down.
&gt; 
&gt; all thanks (for previous work) and respect,
&gt; 
&gt; Saul.
&gt; ----- Original Message -----
&gt; From: furtherfield &lt;info@furtherfield.org&gt;
&gt; To: Diana McCarty &lt;diana@vifu.de&gt;; &lt;syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de&gt;
&gt; Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 11:26 PM
&gt; Subject: Re: Syndicate: NN future
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt;&gt; What is frightening about it all Diana...
&gt;&gt; do you not see what has really been going on?
&gt;&gt; Or are you from the same stock, institutional gang, pulling ranks etc
&gt;&gt; I find that more frightening...
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; respect from Marc
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; on 15/8/01 8:47 PM, Diana McCarty at diana@vifu.de wrote:
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt; Hello Syndicalists,
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt; Just a short note: if this is the syndicate without NN,
&gt;&gt;&gt; please bring her/him/them/it back. Or maybe the answer
&gt;&gt;&gt; would be to start a list for the NN traumatized?
&gt;&gt;&gt; I don't know if there was more going on in the
&gt;&gt;&gt; background that the admin had to deal with, but what
&gt;&gt;&gt; is going on in the foreground is frightening. I'd much
&gt;&gt;&gt; rather read/delete the interesting/annoying/funny mails
&gt;&gt;&gt; from NN than what is getting generated at the moment.
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt; disappointed,
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt; diana
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<subject>Re: Syndicate: NN future</subject>
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<date>Thu, 16 Aug 2001 10:51:58 +0200</date>
<content>&gt; Subject: Majordomo results
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<subject>Syndicate: Re: shared environment</subject>
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<content>Hello Integer,

I will stop. I'd rather get back with my work which is important to me.
If you do not hassle me, I will not hassle you..

bye for now....

enjoy the future

respect from marc



&gt; 
&gt; furtherfilth (info@furtherfield.org) stop your filthy personal agenda now
&gt; worm.
&gt; 
&gt; NEWS: you have just hurt someone who has done absolutely nothing to you.
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; Monster!!!
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; Andreas Broeckmann. Inke Arns. Geert Lovink.
&gt; 
&gt; Think about what you are doing NOW!!!!!
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; You can butcher me.  If you continue hurting others
&gt; 
&gt; there shall be a terrifying sound: THE SOUND OF PROTRACTED
&gt; PAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!n
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; Monsters!!!
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 

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<date>Thu, 16 Aug 2001 08:54:42 +0000</date>
<content>I have never insulted you like you have always insulted other including
myself.


But I am going to stop - I am longer interested in this shallow debate...



&gt; 
&gt; furtherfilth (info@furtherfield.org) i do not like pornographers.
&gt; i do not like demoralized. incompetent. illiterate. cowardly worms.
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; you want to destroy me - destroy me worm.
&gt; 
&gt; do not hurt others in order to reach me.
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; keep your cowardly lying slime off innocent people.
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; and. if you want to destroy me - do so in a public space.
&gt; you'll enjoy it more. right +? or are you a sick pervert mr.worm +?
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; you want to destroy me - destroy me pub.le!an.
&gt; it is the only way you will beget my attention.
&gt; 
&gt; because as you know my fingertips are more expensive than yours.
&gt; 
&gt; n*
&gt; 
&gt; *n
&gt; 
&gt; n*
&gt; 
&gt; i utilize ultra.lux - zku!!!!!nt
&gt; 
&gt; i do not exchange private correspondence with worms.
&gt; [in event you were wondering why]
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; nn - simply.SUPERIOR [i make my own. sol.la.
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; info@furtherfield.org deklaims [hah] - "we can make our own world"
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; nn says to me [remember +?] let me bond with your smile!!!!!
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; then in a drunken manner info@furtherfield.org
&gt; talks about the israelis and pornography etc etc
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; frederic said: please shut up.
&gt; 
&gt; nn za!z : and experience the warm glow of endorphins. zku!!!!!!!!!k.
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; warm kompaz!onat zm!le 2 01 kouardl! 2 b!t male.
&gt; [if you didn't know (try to read more books and watch less pornography)
&gt; 2x enjoys making simply.SUPERIOR remarks about 2 b!t males]
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; as does laura croft.
&gt; 
&gt; nn says: i am simply.SUPERIOR 2 laura croft.
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; a.bon. this transmission is testing the plasticity of my simply.SUPERIOR skin
&gt; 

&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 

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<content>At 09:22 +0200 16-08-2001, Andreas Broeckmann wrote:
&gt;folks,

&gt;
&gt;for those of you who are not happy about this: there is an initiative for a
&gt;new, redefined list that will be established hopefully within the next few
&gt;days.

hopefully, because I would really like to get rid of this ascii crap - a
structure with a syndicate_raw and a filtered one sounds like a great idea,
and I would be happy to be part of the filtered one...

Maybe it is an idea to inform those 5 1/2 year subscribers personally about
the new list once it is there - would be a shame to loose some really
important contacts over this autistic nonsense. My guess will be that
something similar will happen to the syndicate_raw version as to
nettime_bold - nettime filtered having over 1500 subscribers, nettime_bold
having 7 - yes 7 it is that rtidiculous. This is what we are really talking
about seven people who block the rest of a list for over half a year - that
is how long it took on nettime to give these stray sould there own little
playground.

But if that is what it takes - fine with me!

greetings,
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<subject>Re: Syndicate: NN, Syndicate &amp; TV TALK SHOWS</subject>
<from>][mez][</from>
<to>n/a</to>
<date>Thu, 16 Aug 2001 19:33:00 +1000</date>
<content>At 10:47 AM 16/08/01 +0200, lorenzo wrote:
&gt;
&gt;Dear Syndicate/s
The fact that some people in the list find meaningful and worth supporting
NN it is difficult to believe.
The most obvious analisys of its acting shows clearly the nature of its
presence.
And its presence means= trendy/smart/chic/teen/consumist tactic to design
&gt;(certainly not "sculpt") its own "commercial visibility".
&gt;

i completely disagree here, lorenzo. i think u are unsuccessfully trying 2
categorize integer/NN in terms of labels that r non-applicable [2
understate it] &amp; r n.deed highly n.appropriate [&amp; nauseatingly
predictable]. NN's methods r not trendy, if they were ppl would be adopting
them rather than trying to censor them.


&gt;The NN  controversy shows, i believe, two things: 
1- It shows that its tactic is succesfully turning a netlist into a TV TALK
SHOW.
2- It shows that its unbelievable "credibility" comes from a culture that
is still lingering  to the early Net Game: misterious identities, gender
&gt;switching, plagiarism etc...
&gt;

yr points, i believe, show 2 things:
1- that yr understanding of the dynamics &amp; operating theories regarding
networked culture &amp; synergy is misguided &amp; steeped in the regurgitation of
highly n.appropriate traditional me][a][taphors N mediums.
2- yr inability 2 analyse the phenomenon of integer/NN beyond typifiers
such as  "misterious identities, gender switching, plagiarism" shows a
profound lack of understanding &amp;/or insight.
 

&gt;We have seen many (so many!!) of those Net anarchists turn in very short
time &gt;in very succesful businessmen.

please, name 3.

&gt;NN belongs to this harmful quality of persons.

i disagree, again, and cannot believe i have let myself be drawn into such
a pathetic discussion.

path][ological][et][h][ic,
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<content>


From: "Lorenzo Taiuti" &lt;md3169@mclink.it&gt;

&gt;Messaggio in formato MIME composto da piy parti.
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&gt;
&gt;Dear Syndicate/s
&gt;The fact that some people in the list find meaningful and worth =
&gt;supporting NN it is difficult to believe.
&gt;The most obvious analisys of its acting shows clearly the nature of its =
&gt;presence.
&gt;And its presence means=3D trendy/smart/chic/teen/consumist tactic to =
&gt;design (certainly not "sculpt") its own "commercial visibility".
&gt;The NN  controversy shows, i believe, two things:=20
&gt;1- It shows that its tactic is succesfully turning a netlist into a TV =
&gt;TALK SHOW.
&gt;2- It shows that its unbelievable "credibility" comes from a culture =
&gt;that is still lingering  to the early Net Game: misterious identities, =
&gt;gender switching, plagiarism etc...
&gt;We have seen many (so many!!) of those Net anarchists turn in very short =
&gt;time in very succesful businessmen.
&gt;NN belongs to this harmful quality of persons.
&gt;Greetings
&gt;Lorenzo Taiuti=20
&gt;  =20



lorenzo - since no one is privileged to be you you must expect no one other
          understands TV TALK SHOWs as well as you.
          


should you wish to - please - do tell others more about "TV TALK SHOW"

nn will listen. and more than likely bury you in your pelvic floor.



mais - listen. although i never lose when playing with xyz it is fun watching 
       since i do not own a television.


[if you were raised in ost.europa you would understand why i do not own a television.
 childhood means soooooo much. + my childhood has been extended. because i am no ordinary person]





&gt;&gt;We have seen many (so many!!) of those Net anarchists turn in very short =
&gt;&gt;time in very successful businessmen.


2x adores money + success. it buys 01 amalgam of xyz. fun fun.

modesty = 01 organized religious activity. it makes me very very uncomfortable + unsanitary feeling.
yukkk.


nn.













-

some of your microsoft korporat garbage fell out in the international corridors.
i was uncertain what to do with it so hier - throw it out before it starts to smell like you.




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<content>


&gt;From: "Lorenzo Taiuti" &lt;md3169@mclink.it&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Messaggio in formato MIME composto da piy parti.
&gt;&gt;
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&gt;&gt;Dear Syndicate/s
&gt;&gt;The fact that some people in the list find meaningful and worth =
&gt;&gt;supporting NN it is difficult to believe.
&gt;&gt;The most obvious analisys of its acting shows clearly the nature of its =
&gt;&gt;presence.
&gt;&gt;And its presence means=3D trendy/smart/chic/teen/consumist tactic to =
&gt;&gt;design (certainly not "sculpt") its own "commercial visibility".
&gt;&gt;The NN  controversy shows, i believe, two things:=20
&gt;&gt;1- It shows that its tactic is succesfully turning a netlist into a TV =
&gt;&gt;TALK SHOW.
&gt;&gt;2- It shows that its unbelievable "credibility" comes from a culture =
&gt;&gt;that is still lingering  to the early Net Game: misterious identities, =
&gt;&gt;gender switching, plagiarism etc...
&gt;&gt;We have seen many (so many!!) of those Net anarchists turn in very short =
&gt;&gt;time in very succesful businessmen.
&gt;&gt;NN belongs to this harmful quality of persons.
&gt;&gt;Greetings
&gt;&gt;Lorenzo Taiuti=20
&gt;&gt;  =20



one more thing. please - do discuss your selve[s]

sing your praises. i wish to listen.

nn has made it clear she is simply.SUPERIOR



so tell me about you. because i do not own a tele vision.


nn - infancy + childhood - I UANT 




                             [! told u
                              ! k!sz u
                              alorz
                              alorz quo! +?
                              alorz. ever! 1 = trvld 4uard
                              + ue trvld bak +?
                              ou!. uhat do u z +?
                              01 baz!n ov atrakz!on
                              dze lemn!zkal !nput.
                              u r ter!bl



                              dentritic arbors = simply.DELIZ!OUZ    

                                           + v.konduziv 2 kortikal intimacy ____..

                              
                              u r &gt; dzn ter!bl. u r 
                              ! m ur tranzlatr + komentator
                              01 pr!vat vokabular! ....
                              4 dze mozt del!z!ouz ov all l!fe 4rmz +?
                              u +?
                              + she
                              and he +?
                              
                              
                        




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<subject>Syndicate: What happend, after all?</subject>
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<date>Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:36:41 +0200</date>
<content>dear all,

Short vacation kept me out of the list for a week; so I miss the opportunity
to timely contribute to the discussion(s). On the other hand, there was a
very few arguments in discussion, after all.
However, I think that uns+bscribing nn was wrong. Frankly, I do not see why
nn is such a problem *for the list*. S/he does not send enormously large
postings, does not terrorise list with binary attachments, so let it be,
filter it, delete it, or read it. Sure, from time to time s/he is more
annoying then average tolerance should bear. And, from time to time the
whole thing starts to take shape of a pure ideology, nnism. Alas,
syndicalism, exposed in many of the last week or so postings is not the
solution - I will repeat ones more: one cannot successfully fight the
ideology with the use of ideology. I may just imagine that nn is the huge
problem *for some of the syndicalists*, due to personal relationships,
previous flaming, some other historical reasons or something else (just
guessing, don't care and don't want to know).
At the end nn was res+bscribed, and, excuse possible ignorance, the list
community lost the opportunity to, on a particular, heart-rending case,
discuss the problem of freedom of the speech, censorship and some rules of
behaviour on the list in general. Saying 'there are some basic rules for
games and mailing lists.' without any clue what 'some' rules might be, is
not only mystification, but also a very dangerous standpoint, possible road
to oligarchy. Intentionally or not, doesn't matter.
There is another temporary lost opportunity. If I'm not completely wrong,
one of the issues raised as a side effect (though it might be a central
issue), was The Money. Not a single rational piece on the topic, just
personal antagonisms. Sure, through syndicate activities, through nettime
activities, through other forums, meetings, actions etc, some people
capitalise their own private capital, but what's so wrong with that. That's
sad, cause the money is one of the interesting topics. It was even five
years ago. In the meantime flow of international donors capital change the
direction a bit; museums, galleries, ministries. at least in some post-easts
countries start to act differently toward the 'new art/media/practices',
sccas have a significantly different role and budget. and, I'm sorry Mark,
but I do not see how discussion on the topic like that, 'real creative
intention', to borrow your term, can be 'blocked' by nn, or anyone else. And
as a 'not-so-creative' starting point, I would like to ask Inke to post (if
she still have them) her introductory notes from the beauty and the east
session on the topic, since unfortunately, I've lost them. Or anyone else
who is in possession.
The most interesting contribution, (in my opinion) was Eric's comment on the
identity of the syndicate. And, significantly, there were no reactions.
Beyond the fact that I'm glad he is alive and well, I'd like to comment
briefly one of his points.
&gt;how to formulate an alternative discourse to the traditional capitalist /
anti-capitalist narratives
Or, in a broader sense, how to create a new 'left'/'right' discourse. Or, is
it possible at all to avoid reduction of politics (primary cultural) on
economics. Contrary to the popular opinion, and some cultural
anthropologists I believe that the liminality, or in-between status, is not
such an unstable or dangerous condition as it was proclaimed, and that
dichotomies such as east/west, centre/margin, global/local, even
popular/elite can be 'solved' or at least 'observed' as extremes from the
past, with a very few concrete influence to the state of the facts. The new
liminal condition is not created through the performance of a ritual,
requiring the presence of special kind of 'masters of ceremonies'; rather
it's a 'distributive network' of different, but equal elements ranging from
passive to hyperactive units, from direct action to backstage mumbling, from
micro media to hacking, academic texts to zines. using the diverse, in lot
of cases previously incongruous concepts, theories and techniques;
adjusting, rephrasing, weaving, with perhaps the only thing in common - the
strong emphasis against any kind of inviolability.
And somehow, I think that syndicate was/is such a place, with or without nn.

ciao
igor

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<subject>Syndicate: a small syndicalist</subject>
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<date>Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:41:38 +0200 (CEST)</date>
<content>i'd like to point to an interesting question here
which was probably obvious to others as well,
but missed to be mentioned. i'll try to explain.

besides too a serious consideration about the shape
of container that is called syndicate and vanity
floods of some of its members i do not see much 
hapening. also there is an overall mental division between
'corporate' and 'non-corporate' hanging in the air. 
i do not get it because pritty everything seems 
corporate to me in this world and even n. chomsky 
during his times on the adge was reaching for 
corporate sources of clerical structures or charity 
organisations.
we ourself, when discussing the do's and do not's of
syndicate are trying to shape up a corporate type of
morals, don't we. because of that i find that perceiving
the things going on here through the prism of this two
polarities leads nowhere.

i do not want to state that there is no 'other' but 
corporate, because i strongly beleive there is. but 
my opinion is that the 'other' comes from within.
and it broadcasts from within utill the critical mass
is achieved and our patterns and the ways of perceiving
are once more changed for good.

so is with creation called nn, lonely rebellious beauty
existing in cyber only. we learned she is a programe.
a programe that makes your machine speak and not
only that but never shouts the mouth as well.
but that's the hook. do not get angry about noise,
because that's quite unimportant. important may be 
to ask yourself the following: 
now i can talk to machine, what am i going to say?
what do i have to say without defending my ways
and habits at the first place?


in that sense everything outspoken untill now was
not very relevant. the first thing you need to speek 
out clearly is who you are. no more hiding behind the 
network. because she is network herself. just you (and nn).

in some way she helps us. i think we should
learn to appriciate that, talking about the
time lost to trash her mail is very 'corporate'
and 'executive' in itself. isn't it.

greetings
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<subject>Re: Syndicate: NN future</subject>
<from>Inke Arns</from>
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<date>Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:49:06 +0200</date>
<content>
Dear Syndicalists,

At 09:22 16.08.01 +0200, Andreas Broeckmann wrote:
&gt;some people who have been on this list for 5 1/2 years have started
&gt;uns*bscribing, so you should not be too sure any more who is actually on
&gt;this list from now on.

I'm off after this mail. I wish you success for the future of the Syndicate
list. It's been a very productive time, sometimes, and it has been quite an
experience. Now it's time for me to move on.

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<content>


&gt;From: Eric Kluitenberg &lt;epk@xs4all.nl&gt;
&gt;Subject: Re: Syndicate: future
&gt;Sender: syndicate-owner@eg-r.isp-eg.de
&gt;Precedence: bulk
&gt;
&gt;At 09:22 +0200 16-08-2001, Andreas Broeckmann wrote:
&gt;&gt;folks,
&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;for those of you who are not happy about this: there is an initiative for a
&gt;&gt;new, redefined list that will be established hopefully within the next few
&gt;&gt;days.


sounds lovely.


&gt;hopefully, because I would really like to get rid of this ascii crap - a
&gt;structure with a syndicate_raw and a filtered one sounds like a great idea,
&gt;and I would be happy to be part of the filtered one...


sounds lovely.


&gt;Maybe it is an idea to inform those 5 1/2 year subscribers personally about
&gt;the new list once it is there - would be a shame to loose some really
&gt;important contacts 

eric you havent contributed anything in 6 months.




&gt;over this autistic nonsense. 

If it nonsense to you how can it be autistic +?

Or are you just being nonsensical +?




&gt;My guess will be that
&gt;something similar will happen to the syndicate_raw version as to
&gt;nettime_bold - nettime filtered having over 1500 subscribers, 



eric know this.
I personally have a mailing list larger than SYNDICATED
and I have access to the entire NETTIMED list.

And I know your figures aren't accurate.

So my question is - why are yo lying +?



&gt;nettime_bold
&gt;having 7 - yes 7 it is that rtidiculous. 


ie. - you are one of the privileged mass and
know that NETTIMED and SYNDICATED are administered by criminals +?

and you havent contributed anything in 6 months.


Nonetheless, you shouldn't lie about figures.
Why are you +?



&gt;This is what we are really talking
&gt;about seven people who block the rest of a list for over half a year 


eric do you think +?

I mean, NETTIMED and SYNDICATED are blocked by less than 7 criminals.

It is good to think.

On the other hand committing crimes with public money is not good.

What do you think +?



- that
&gt;is how long it took on nettime to give these stray sould 

stray sould =_?

The syntactical equivalent to lying about figures or +?


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<content>
hey,

i just unsubscribed from the Syndicate list. I feel relieved and am eager
to start a new list. looking forward to a time when positive feedback it
overweighing negative feedback once again, like in the first years of the
Syndicate.

At 12:33 16.08.01 +0200, Andreas Broeckmann wrote:
&gt;like yourself, i am not in favour of a filtered list; i think we should
&gt;again attempt to create a list that can remain open and that has a shared
&gt;understanding about dos and don'ts among the subscribers, like this list

absolutely. start small, don't grow fast, remain personal (in a way)

&gt;had for a long time. the fact that this shared understanding has
&gt;disappeared here is a pity, but as i seem to be in the repressive minority,
&gt;i admit defeat. let's be more careful next time. i am very disappointed

oh, I have been disappointed about how things were going on this list for
quite some time now. perhaps we should think about the possibility of
"filtering" requests for subscription. I.e. only allow people on the list
who are interested in what's going on. and we should act more quickly if
things are going in the wrong direction.

&gt;about how this thing went, but it is a miracle that the whole thing lasted

yes, definitely. but now it's time to move on. and it feels good! it's time
for a redefinition, definitely!

greetings, inke


- http://www.v2.nl/~arns/

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<nbr>161.0</nbr>
<subject>Syndicate: akkord</subject>
<from>integer</from>
<to>n/a</to>
<date>Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:18:36 +0200 (CEST)</date>
<content>


Andreas Broeckmann. Geert Lovink + etc admins
clandestinely  mismanaging public funds

do you accept this accord or not +?

Please respond on this forum. 






- 242.rambouillet.accord. 


Everyone shall feel much more relaxed once Anna Balint administers Syndicate 
with equal rights and equal power to the M E N of course.



M A N ........... Andreas Broeckmann:  - signe.la             date: - date hier



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<subject>RE: Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _censorship, syndicate &amp; nn</subject>
<from>shareartware</from>
<to>n/a</to>
<date>Thu, 16 Aug 2001 07:23:18 -0400</date>
<content>Syndicate admin &lt;syndicate@v2.nl&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;[&lt;jaka@jaka.org&gt; *ns*bscribed from Syndicate on 15 Aug 2001 before posting
&gt;to the Syndicate list - that's why his message bounced and not because of 
&gt;censorship]

i appologise, specialy to Inke/ administrator. the server i use for e-mail have serious problems so i had to s*bscribe as shareartware@netscape.net

actualy first i sended e-mail to syndicate and then *ns*bscribed, but server did it it's way...



&gt;Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 02:10:35 +0200
&gt;From: Jaka Zeleznikar &lt;jaka@jaka.org&gt;
&gt;Organization: http://www.jaka.org
&gt;To: syndicate &lt;syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de&gt;
&gt;Subject: _censorship, syndicate &amp; nn



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<subject>Re: Syndicate: signing off</subject>
<from>Eric Kluitenberg</from>
<to>n/a</to>
<date>Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:20:29 +0200</date>
<content>dear syndicalists,

It has been a great time on this list untill the ascii crap started - since
then I do not feel at home anymore on this list, it has completely lost its
original identity - a real pitty. This does account very much for the fact
that I have not felt the urge to post anything substantial here, and why I
have focused on other fora instead
- obviously... why bother??

I hope those responsible will be very proud of themselves that they have
killed off the most productive and interesting forum for media art and
media culture in central and eastern europe. The people who still have a
real interest in those issues will now simply start a new initiative - it
is high time for that.

Good luck with syndicate, I will leave it to you, and *nsubscribe now.

What a waste!

At 13:18 +0200 16-08-2001, integer@www.god-emil.dk wrote:
&gt;Andreas Broeckmann. Geert Lovink + etc admins
&gt;clandestinely  mismanaging public funds

FYI - there never were, nor never will be, any funds (public or private)
for syndicate, nettime., xchange or any of the other valuable on-line fora.
The people running these lists simply put in free time and their own
resources - one more such totally disrespectful outcry - I really recommend
to re-examine your own prejudices.

Have a good life!

eric



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<subject>RE: Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _censorship, syndicate &amp; nn</subject>
<from>Syndicate admin</from>
<to>n/a</to>
<date>Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:47:08 +0200 (CEST)</date>
<content>Zitiere shareartware@netscape.net:

&gt; i appologise, specialy to Inke/ administrator. the server i use for
&gt; e-mail have serious problems so i had to s*bscribe as
&gt; shareartware@netscape.net

don't apologize, and redirect any administration requests to Anna Balint 
&lt;integer@freemail.hu&gt; or directly to &lt;integer@www.god-emil.dk&gt;.

Have fun. Sincerely.

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<subject>Re: Syndicate: future</subject>
<from>Nils Claesson</from>
<to>n/a</to>
<date>Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:21:39 +0200</date>
<content>Folks!
I see forward to sunbcribe to the new filtered version of
the syndicate list.

nils claesson



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<nbr>166.0</nbr>
<subject>RE: administration Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _censorship, syndicate &amp; nn</subject>
<from>anna balint</from>
<to>n/a</to>
<date>Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:13:31 +0200</date>
<content>Dear Inke Arns, Andreas Broeckmann and Chris Byrne,
it is a pity if you leave down the list in a crisis situation, and you don't
want to manage it anymore. I'm sorry to see this happening, please feel free
to come back any time.
Since the list was abandoned in a panic, the decision was taken behind the
curtains, and as far as I understand from  the undirect notification below
that I was requested to take over administration of the list, first I would
like to ask everybody how to access the administration mail.
My email address is epistolaris@freemail.hu, i would have adopted the
integer identity only
in the case integer would have remained banned from the list. In hope to
establish a network of trust, i introduce myself, and I ask integer as well,
to do so, unmask as far as possible, and declare wheter s/he would like to
take part in the syndicate administration. Is there anybody else who would
like to share this task?
I am a medievalist, i write my PhD about fantastic travels in the Middle
Ages.
Meanwhile, I am very interested in contemporary art and media culture, I am
currently busy with setting up an audio-visual communication academy in
Cluj-Kolozsvar, Romania. I was curating for some years the Artpool
Archives - one of the biggest mail art, fluxus, SI, performance, and media
art archives in the world.
I was a co-organizer of the Metaforum conference series about media culture
in Budapest, 1994-1996.
I currently work with Istvan Kantor, founder of neoism movement, performance
and media artist based in Canada. We try to set up the Machine Age
Foundation in Budapest.
I subscribed to Syndicate since early times, for that Artpool was there at
the founding meeting of the Syndicate mailing list. I have attended the
Kassel Hybrid Workspace and the Budapest Syndicate meetings, i know some of
you personally.
I am deeply upset that no discussions were going on the list, not much
common topics,
meanwhile the one trying to bring up questions in his or her own way
suffered of restrictions.
I would like to ask Amy Alexander whether he could write filtering software
on request to provide people with an efficient tool to validate their
preference.
The others please feel free to post announcements, commentaries, questions,
idea on the list.
greetings,
Anna Balint



Zitiere shareartware@netscape.net:

&gt; i appologise, specialy to Inke/ administrator. the server i use for
&gt; e-mail have serious problems so i had to s*bscribe as
&gt; shareartware@netscape.net

don't apologize, and redirect any administration requests to Anna Balint
&lt;integer@freemail.hu&gt; or directly to &lt;integer@www.god-emil.dk&gt;.

Have fun. Sincerely.

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<subject>Re: Syndicate: NN future</subject>
<from>martha rosler</from>
<to>n/a</to>
<date>Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:52:46 -0400</date>
<content>i cannot claim to have been on this list for 5 1/2 years, but i've enjoyed
and apporeciated many of the posts dealing with net art and other projects
and ideas from various places (mostly outside the US), and have learned
from political controversies dealing with armed conflict and other
political confrontations... but the following message (reproduced below) is
now representative of the way things are going here, it seems, and i am
unsubscribing.
The purpose of my wanting to announce this on the list is to observe that I
have subscribed to many political and professional lists, moderated and
unmoderated, and the unmoderated ones so far have always gone down to the
flame wars provoked my someone acting much like nn.
So you destroy your own playground by bullying and disrupting civil
discourse and provoking fuming hostility from some, pontificating
pseudo-philosophy on freedom from others (Something like my post
now..though I think the others were worse!).
Moderation is the key. The lists that have lasted have used it, and OF
COURSE the moderator can be accused of censorship, but the rules of posting
are always spelled out, and insult and unrelenting provocation are always
unacceptable,on a list as in person.
And unfortunately, my filter isn't working...

NN, why don't YOU (if there is a "you") start your own list? (But you are
always reactive and need others to attack, it seems.)

martha rosler
brooklyn, ny



&gt;furtherfilth (info@furtherfield.org) stop your filthy personal agenda now
worm.
&gt;
&gt;NEWS: you have just hurt someone who has done absolutely nothing to you.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;Monster!!!
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;Andreas Broeckmann. Inke Arns. Geert Lovink.
&gt;
&gt;Think about what you are doing NOW!!!!!
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;You can butcher me.  If you continue hurting others
&gt;
&gt;there shall be a terrifying sound: THE SOUND OF PROTRACTED
PAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!n
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;Monsters!!!
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;

.           .    ....         .....
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 pro.ject.ile x.blooms.x .go.here.
	      xXXx
              ./.
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&gt;folks,
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Just a short note: if this is the syndicate without NN,
&gt;&gt;please bring her/him/them/it back.
&gt;
&gt;i agree with diana. this is unbearable. there seems to be a clear desire to
&gt;bring nn back to this list.
&gt;
&gt;Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:03:55 +0200
&gt;To: abroeck@transmediale.de
&gt;From: majordom@eg-r.isp-eg.de
&gt;Subject: Majordomo results
&gt;--
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; s*bscribe syndicate integer@www.god-emil.dk
&gt;Succeeded.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;for those of you who are not happy about this: there is an initiative for a
&gt;new, redefined list that will be established hopefully within the next few
&gt;days.
&gt;
&gt;some people who have been on this list for 5 1/2 years have started
&gt;uns*bscribing, so you should not be too sure any more who is actually on
&gt;this list from now on.
&gt;
&gt;regards,
&gt;-a
&gt;
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<subject>Syndicate: Open letter to uns*bscribers </subject>
<from>Igor</from>
<to>n/a</to>
<date>Thu, 16 Aug 2001 19:10:12 +0200</date>
<content>dear all,

Will someone be so kind to explain me what the fuck is going on, sit venia
verbo? All I can understand (as an outsider) is 'NN is The Problem'. With
all due respect, 'My dog ate my homework' is answer for the Nobel Prize,
compare to that shit.
Perhaps I do not understand the point, perhaps I never was, and perhaps I
never will, so what? Am I because of that less or more valuable member of
the list? No. Under any circumstances, no. Was any of the s*bscribers more
valuable member of the list because of five years or days of experience? No.
Under any circumstances, no!
Honestly, on the level of the syndicate I don't care - a bunch of people try
something and it didn't went well. Meme syndicate was not able to adapt to
the changed environment or the rise of the new predators. Ok, but on a bit
wider level I still have a problem. And, yes, personal *is* political, and
it counts.
What I am mad about, my dear colleagues (hope you don't mind naming you like
that) is that you also start to play the same game, with the same 'basic
rules' - and I'm still confused what are the fucking rules. Maybe 'I'm not
speaking to you anymore'? Or, 'if you don't want to play my game I wont play
with you'? I learned such a 'rules' from my younger sister, but she was
twelve at the time.. or should I be cynical and conclude that axiom saying
that the intelligence of the person is proportional to its childish
behaviour (naturally, in pejorative meaning of the world) proof correct? I
believe that people on the list deserve the explanation/some background of
the immature wunderkinds behaviour. Or, if I'm the only one confused, please
excuse my posting.
After all I am ashamed, I'm ashamed because I believe that some of you are
the persons knowing more then I do, that you are reasonable and moderate
persons, that you are willing to share and discuss your knowledge and
attitudes with others, to oppose traditional more or less oppressive models.
Was everything just a game? Just 'my supporting group can beat yours
supporting group'. And, are you aware that such behaviour (o, you won, I'm
unsubscribing..) may be looked like acceptance of all, even the most
disgusting accusations? Or, maybe, non-civilised (whatever that means to any
of the readers) remarks are true. That syndicate was just another
neo-colonial artefact. I do not think so, I do not believe so, and I never
will. On the other hand, there is possibility that I'm just another full,
blinded with the knowledge an activities of yours.
But, I do not want to start another stupid adolescent discussion. Instead,
lets try again. From the beginning, if necessary. Lets try the idea of
moderated and raw list. Or you believe that the issues like "how to
formulate an alternative discourse to the traditional capitalist /
anti-capitalist narratives that pervaded social, political and cultural
debates about the *east/west* relationship. The next was to get away from
the East / West dichotomy altogether and find new connecting threads to talk
about art, culture, politics and society in Europe after the revolutionary
changes of the late eighties and beginning nineties." are not important
anymore? Nothing to remember happened for a months at the list (I
re-subscribed myself april this year), so how on earth, nn or anyone else
can be 'guilty' for *that*?
Yes, this letter is emotional, and yes it is a provocation, and, yes, it is
a challenge, and, if anyone feel part or all of the mentioned insulting, I
am sorry, but with all due respect, you deserve it.

ciao
igor

Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, does not go away.
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<subject>Syndicate: RE: administration</subject>
<from>Andreas Broeckmann</from>
<to>n/a</to>
<date>Thu, 16 Aug 2001 19:13:38 +0200</date>
<content>dear anna,

&gt;Since the list was abandoned in a panic, the decision was taken behind the
&gt;curtains, and as far as I understand from  the undirect notification below
&gt;that I was requested to take over administration of the list, first I would
&gt;like to ask everybody how to access the administration mail.

there is no reason for panic. i think that some are very relieved now and
want to get moving. the current admins will make sure that the handing over
of the list and everything is done in a proper and friendly manner, so that
the syndicate list can keep running its course.

the way in which the list has been administered until now is through an
admin account on the v2 server; this will be switched off as soon as a new
list-owner has been appointed who will receive all admin requests etc. -
please, let me know who this should be. it would be useful to have somebody
who knows majordomo and who can deal with config files etc. in the current,
heated situation i would be restrictive with the password but we will
obviously transmit it to you or whoever wants to take that responsibility.

the list itself is running on a server of friends of inke and mine here in
berlin. we did this because it is sometimes important to have easy and fast
access to the sysops, so it might be useful to try and find a new home for
the list which the people responsible for it have a close and personal
contact to. you will find that this makes life easier when something goes
wrong or does not work, and it may be more difficult to get the attention
of the berlin sysops if they don't know you.

greetings,
-a

ps: i'm filtering the list now and may not see everything immediately. so,
if i don't react immediately, don't panic. i'll be around for a while.



(nn, how deep is your love?)


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<subject>Syndicate: what happend?</subject>
<from>Nina Czegledy</from>
<to>n/a</to>
<date>Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:40:21 +0100</date>
<content>Hello All,
i wish i could be eloquent and prompt with my
words like Sally or Eric, short of this i would like
to contribute a few words to the discussion.

As it has been said before the Syndicate
represents different things for different
people, I am writing about my own Syndicate
experience.

For me, ever since that first meeting in
Rotterdam i felt a sense of belonging to a
networked community. Of course  i have been
aware that the group consists of many
with diverse opinions and this became evident
lately when regardless of my democratic feelings
I had difficulties  to deal (in a hectic nomadic life)
 with the multitude of postings.

Re the personal value of the Syndicate
list: over the years  I noted that while
in the beginning the Newsletters offered
info on events and opportunities mostly
for the "Easterners"  - lately the situation
changed and became much more balanced.
A few days ago the acoustic space workshop
ended with a successful streaming event and
while most of us worked out of Latvia
i have not noticed any east/west
divergence in the group. As a matter of fact
I was reflecting how Ryszard Kluszczynski's wish
expressed a few years ago,( that instead
of being considered Westerners and
Easterners the division would melt )
might be slowly coming true.

In addition to be updated on various
events  I found some of the incoming
information invaluable and will
deeply regret if the list changes
completely.

nina









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<nbr>171.0</nbr>
<subject>RE: Syndicate: RE: administration</subject>
<from>anna balint</from>
<to>n/a</to>
<date>Thu, 16 Aug 2001 20:11:52 +0200</date>
<content>Dear Andreas,
i will try to find a server. But it will take some time i guess.
Can you hold on for two-three weeks? I am very sorry that you leave.
I still think we should try to find a solution good for all.

Dear Mike,
great! we will have to learn the administration techniques.
Andreas will have to explain us as to illiterates, but i think
majordomo commands are not so difficult, configuration files either.
I trust that Jaka Zeleznicar will remain as web designer for the archives,
and we shall restart the newsletters.
We met at rootless '97, i was invited there by Roddy Hunter aka ?migr? for
the ATLAS conference.
I keep very good memories of the meeting and of the festival, of the
hospitality of the city of Hull as well.
I will be at the Venice Biennale next week, than i go to the Retouche
festival in Romania,
later i plan to go to the Ars Electronica in Linz.
Would be nice to meet you and other syndicalists as well somewhere in those
places.
greetings,
Anna






-----Original Message-----
From: syndicate-owner@eg-r.isp-eg.de
[mailto:syndicate-owner@eg-r.isp-eg.de]On Behalf Of Andreas Broeckmann
Sent: 2001. augusztus 16. 19:14
To: syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de
Subject: Syndicate: RE: administration


dear anna,

&gt;Since the list was abandoned in a panic, the decision was taken behind the
&gt;curtains, and as far as I understand from  the undirect notification below
&gt;that I was requested to take over administration of the list, first I would
&gt;like to ask everybody how to access the administration mail.

there is no reason for panic. i think that some are very relieved now and
want to get moving. the current admins will make sure that the handing over
of the list and everything is done in a proper and friendly manner, so that
the syndicate list can keep running its course.

the way in which the list has been administered until now is through an
admin account on the v2 server; this will be switched off as soon as a new
list-owner has been appointed who will receive all admin requests etc. -
please, let me know who this should be. it would be useful to have somebody
who knows majordomo and who can deal with config files etc. in the current,
heated situation i would be restrictive with the password but we will
obviously transmit it to you or whoever wants to take that responsibility.

the list itself is running on a server of friends of inke and mine here in
berlin. we did this because it is sometimes important to have easy and fast
access to the sysops, so it might be useful to try and find a new home for
the list which the people responsible for it have a close and personal
contact to. you will find that this makes life easier when something goes
wrong or does not work, and it may be more difficult to get the attention
of the berlin sysops if they don't know you.

greetings,
-a

ps: i'm filtering the list now and may not see everything immediately. so,
if i don't react immediately, don't panic. i'll be around for a while.



(nn, how deep is your love?)


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<subject>Syndicate: musical skills</subject>
<from>integer</from>
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<date>Thu, 16 Aug 2001 20:34:49 +0200 (CEST)</date>
<content>


Andreas Broeckmann &lt;abroeck@transmediale.de&gt;


&gt;dear anna,
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Since the list was abandoned in a panic, the decision was taken behind the
&gt;&gt;curtains, and as far as I understand from  the undirect notification below
&gt;&gt;that I was requested to take over administration of the list, first I would
&gt;&gt;like to ask everybody how to access the administration mail.
&gt;
&gt;there is no reason for panic. i think that some are very relieved now and
&gt;want to get moving. the current admins will make sure that the handing over
&gt;of the list and everything is done in a proper and friendly manner, so that
&gt;the syndicate list can keep running its course.
&gt;
&gt;the way in which the list has been administered until now is through an
&gt;admin account on the v2 server; this will be switched off as soon as a new
&gt;list-owner has been appointed who will receive all admin requests etc. -
&gt;please, let me know who this should be. it would be useful to have somebody
&gt;who knows majordomo and who can deal with config files etc. in the current,
&gt;heated situation i would be restrictive with the password but we will
&gt;obviously transmit it to you or whoever wants to take that responsibility.
&gt;
&gt;the list itself is running on a server of friends of inke and mine here in
&gt;berlin. we did this because it is sometimes important to have easy and fast
&gt;access to the sysops, so it might be useful to try and find a new home for
&gt;the list which the people responsible for it have a close and personal
&gt;contact to. you will find that this makes life easier when something goes
&gt;wrong or does not work, and it may be more difficult to get the attention
&gt;of the berlin sysops if they don't know you.
&gt;
&gt;greetings,
&gt;-a
&gt;
&gt;ps: i'm filtering the list now and may not see everything immediately. so,
&gt;if i don't react immediately, don't panic. i'll be around for a while.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;(nn, how deep is your love?)




you misunderstand. others have received the same message via one other.
hopefully it reaches those concerned. 



don't be paranoid. _no _one wishes to control your forum.
may stop posturing.











"Igor" &lt;igor@mi2.hr&gt;


&gt;With
&gt;all due respect, 'My dog ate my homework' is answer for the Nobel Prize,
&gt;compare to that shit.


schhh. 

time to watch the rest of this sick film.




or we could listen to this magnetic and strange thing. a creative force.
the friends who listen to us are the ones we move towards.
when we are listened to it creates us. makes us unfold + expand





&gt;(nn, how deep is your love?)


unsubscribe me. and free the hostage.



nn - simply.SUPERIOR










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<content>

&gt;
&gt;"Igor" &lt;igor@mi2.hr&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;With
&gt;&gt;all due respect, 'My dog ate my homework' is answer for the Nobel Prize,
&gt;&gt;compare to that shit.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;schhh. 
&gt;
&gt;time to watch the rest of this sick film.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;or we could listen to this magnetic and strange thing. a creative force.
&gt;the friends who listen to us are the ones we move towards.
&gt;when we are listened to it creates us. makes us unfold + expand
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;(nn, how deep is your love?)
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;unsubscribe me. and free the hostage.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;nn - simply.SUPERIOR
&gt;



take .o2    [yes. that was a scene]


1001 zm!lz.




andreas etc - difficult understanding precisely why you would start attacking anna balint.
you misunderstand. and you misunderstand something else - people arent fond of your activities.
[even people that work with you. (not every one you trust likes you)]



and what is it with this organized model citizenz waking up from their sleep
and parachuting out whilst reading very badly scripted lines +?





nn - totally bemused. you want to leave leave. 
     anyone can forward posts from nettime to syndicate very easily.







&gt;(nn, how deep is your love?)


a classic.



andreas - you can be nn anytime. 











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<subject>???</subject>
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<content>

hallo

this was veritable


`
you misunderstand. others have received the same message via one other.
hopefully it reaches those concerned. 



don't be paranoid. _no _one wishes to control your forum.

`


anna balint speaks for herself.
i assure you she does not think you are a terrible person
much as she does not think i am a simply.SUPERIOR person.

but you or others should know this. i know very little.


are you under the impression i enjoy posting 10 messages per day on syndicate +?

ne.

when a problem arises it would be nice to attempt to resolve it.
referring to a problem which occurred several months ago which
prompted the current routine.

another observation.

selekt persons view a forum as an information hub - they are primarily interested in announcements.
selekt persons view forums as a discussion and creative hub - they are primarily interested in anything.

if you feel that i betrayed your confidence i can understand.
we should have resolved the problem several months ago.

overall this entire episode has been very costly to everyone involved yes +?
please relax. no wishes to destroy you.

if you wish to search for a common ground = oke avec moi.
if you wish to segregate yourself - as you wish.

we have both have seen what the latter is conducive to.

friendly. nn







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<subject>Syndicate: interim admin arrangements</subject>
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<content>Dear list subscribers,

Following the departure of Andreas and Inke from the Syndicate list, the
present admin team will be understrength, so we may not have time to
forward posts which are sent to the wrong address.

The current admin technical infrastructure will need to be changed, and the
list moved to a different server. We will be in contact with the two
prospective admins off-list to discuss the necessary changes in the near
future. In the meantime I ask you to bear with us.

Those subscribers who wish to remove themselves, please send the relevant
command to majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de. If you don't know how to do this, send
a message to syndicate@v2.nl asking to be removed and we will attempt to do
so as quickly as is feasible.

I would like to thank Andreas and Inke for their hard work helping to
establish Syndicate, and keeping it running on behalf of the list community
despite a variety of pressures.

Regards


Chris

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<content>
Chris Byrne &lt;chris@cryptic.demon.co.uk&gt;

&gt;Dear list subscribers,
&gt;
&gt;Following the departure of Andreas and Inke from the Syndicate list, the
&gt;present admin team will be understrength, so we may not have time to
&gt;forward posts which are sent to the wrong address.
&gt;
&gt;The current admin technical infrastructure will need to be changed, and the
&gt;list moved to a different server. We will be in contact with the two
&gt;prospective admins off-list to discuss the necessary changes in the near
&gt;future. In the meantime I ask you to bear with us.
&gt;
&gt;Those subscribers who wish to remove themselves, please send the relevant
&gt;command to majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de. If you don't know how to do this, send
&gt;a message to syndicate@v2.nl asking to be removed and we will attempt to do
&gt;so as quickly as is feasible.
&gt;
&gt;I would like to thank Andreas and Inke for their hard work helping to
&gt;establish Syndicate, and keeping it running on behalf of the list community
&gt;despite a variety of pressures.


Exactly. It is an difficult occupation. It isn't very lovely for one's creativity. 

the inward turning of the worker kontrasts with the outward turning of the dancer.

It is good being a vagabond. [or a subscriber of you like]


And NN shall be much more gentle now that those who view mailing list fora
as information processing centers exclusively have gone or shall be as desired.

I suspect that is the principal issue.

This is a canvas. It is not a PDA.  [do you wish 2 sow the seeds or simply navigate \ web browsers +?



If the art of storytelling has become rare, the
dissemination of information has had a decisive share in this state of
affairs.  Every morning brings us the news of the globe, and yet we are
poor in noteworthy stories.  This is because no event any longer comes
to us without already being shot through with explanation....it is half
the art of storytelling to keep a story free from explanation as one
reproduces it.  The most extraordinary things, marvelous things, are
related with the greatest accuracy, but the psychological connection of
the events is not forced on the reader.  It is left up to him to
interpret things the way he understands them, and thus the narrative
achieves an amplitude that information lacks.

This process of assimilation, which takes place in depth,
requires a state of relaxation which is becoming rarer and rarer.  If
sleep is the apogee of physical relaxation, boredom is the apogee of
mental relaxation.  Boredom is the dream bird that hatches the egg of
experience.  A rustling in the leaves drives him away. 

....storytelling.....does not aim to convey the pure essence
of the thing, like information or a report.  It sinks the thing into the
life of the storyteller, in order to bring it out of him again.  Thus
traces of the storyteller cling to the story the way the handprints of
the potter cling to the clay vessel.

I believe I have told already that reading ....


















&gt;i think this is better:










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<from>Andrej Tisma</from>
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<content>&gt; Since the list was abandoned in a panic, the decision was taken behind the
&gt; curtains, and as far as I understand from  the undirect notification below

Welcome Anna, we support you and wish you good work on this list if you
accept it.
I think it is more natural that list for mostly eastern Europeans is
administrated by Easteuropeans, there will be more understanding.
Because we here are not dealing wit art, communication, politics as
business but we speak and work from heart. We know what real freedom is,
we
know to evaluate it, not selling it for some profit.



Thanks for introducing yourself. I see we have a plenty of mutual
friends. I collaborate with Artpool for decades (you must know that) and
I visited Galantays with my wife Marta few years ago in Budapest. Also I
know Monty Cantsin personally. I spent few days with him in May 1987 in
New York. He is a nice guy, he did a performance for us with iron and
flames and he gave me his songs LP that was printed just in those days.
 
&gt;In hope to
&gt; establish a network of trust, i introduce myself,

I think after this hot discussion concerning Integer we got more trust
in each other and in a way we purified our aims on this list. Obviously
not all of us were so happy and satisfied with its conception and
moderation in last years. You Anna have the chance to refresh it with
some new ideas and contents that will be of common interests. Obviously
we are not so much interested in theory but in life, art practice, maybe
some concrete collaboration. Festivals are for big shuts, for sponsored
ones, and we should build a network of independent people from west or
east, doesn't matter. 
Those who are leaving the list, I think their time is going out,
together with globalistic, western hegemonistic, neocolonialist
politics. Syndicate was designed to gather Easternerners around some
ideas that would subdue them, not give the freedom. With our fight for
Integers integrity and personality we showed what counts in our sphere
of interests. We are maybe more poetic than Westersners, and that mekes
them angry. Not boring but nervous. But they must get familiarized with
us. I must remind all that all new philosophical, artistic, spiritual
ideas came from the East, and that will stay so in the future.    
We must look at this Syndicate list as a tool that West is giving to us,
as an opportunity to teach the West about something that they do not
have - heart, emotion, playfulness, spiritual independence,
non-materialistic values. We should be treated equally on this list, not
removed one by one, with censored period (1999), as it happened before.
Anna, if you accept the administration of Syndicate I wish you success
and new ideas
and collaborators.
Szia,
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<from>Andrej Tisma</from>
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<date>Fri, 17 Aug 2001 00:02:49 +0200</date>
<content>At the end of an old period and hopeful start of a new one of this list
I announce my absence from it during the period August 17-31 because of
my vacations travel. So I will be not able to send to or reply to list
members in that period. But I hope I'll find your sendings in my
mail-box when I return.
Best :),
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<subject>Syndicate: RE: administration Syndicate</subject>
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<date>Fri, 17 Aug 2001 00:28:41 +0200</date>
<content>At 17:13 +0200 16/8/01, anna balint wrote:

&gt;I was a co-organizer of the Metaforum conference series about media culture
&gt;in Budapest, 1994-1996. 

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<content>&gt; i just unsubscribed from the Syndicate list. I feel relieved and am eager
&gt; to start a new list. looking forward to a time when positive feedback it
&gt; overweighing negative feedback once again, like in the first years of the
&gt; Syndicate.

I feel sad too, like all of you. Does someone of you write a last mail to
the list? I you can mention my name too of course. I somehow would like to
make clear that we all left.

&gt; absolutely. start small, don't grow fast, remain personal (in a way)

Sure, that's not all that hard. I like the idea of an open list with people
who tell who they are, what they want etc. and not hide behind rethoric or
some online identity.

&gt; oh, I have been disappointed about how things were going on this list for
&gt; quite some time now. perhaps we should think about the possibility of
&gt; "filtering" requests for subscription. I.e. only allow people on the list
&gt; who are interested in what's going on. and we should act more quickly if
&gt; things are going in the wrong direction.

Yeah.

Would else would be interested to take part in this conversation?
Best, Geert

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<content>
&gt;Question:
&gt;
&gt;Why did you use a male laptop for your siggraph presentation?

tzo du = ma! remembr m! Snails are superior!!!!!!!


&gt;Snails were superior.
&gt;
&gt;shannon

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dze treez !n dze gardn = zt!l evn uen treez furdzr aua! = dansz!ng [01 real!t! - not nezezar!l! 01 metafor]
m! e!ez = moztl! uatch dze dansz. ma!z although dze !nfluensz ov d!esz !magez = branch out !n 2 d!rekz!onz
!t = !nfluenszd b! dze poz!z!on ov dze author.

                                

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<from>Eric Kluitenberg</from>
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<date>Fri, 17 Aug 2001 03:37:19 +0200</date>
<content>hi,

a bit sleepless tonite

geert wrote:
&gt;I feel sad too, like all of you. Does someone of you write a last mail to
&gt;the list? I you can mention my name too of course. I somehow would like to
&gt;make clear that we all left.

yes, most of all about the sense that even in a zero budget network and
intitiative it was impossible to escape the typical kind of power politics
and envy that characterises main-stream art world politica, as most of the
rest of society. Syndicate managed to escape it for a long time, but it is
shocking to see how a few loud mouths can very easily take over a forum,
and how they actually are supported by people who are simply looking for
some kind of *guidance* - I see this as a strong man syndrome - the willing
accomplices.

Still, I would not like to dwell too long on what went wrong and rather
define a fresh perspective for the times to come. Perhaps it would be good
to mark this *exodus* clearly and issue some kind of statement about it, so
as not to go without any form of protest...
But the next  step should really be to define what the new context will be
which we want to create and enlist the right people in it for a relevant
post-syndicate initiative. I'll try to organise my thoughts over the
weekend and post them on this list once I managed...

greetings,
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<date>Fri, 17 Aug 2001 14:48:22 +1000</date>
<content>From: "furtherfield" &lt;info@furtherfield.org&gt;
To: "geert" &lt;geert@xs4all.nl&gt;
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: Syndicate: NN future


&gt; It is a sad day - the lunatics have taken over the asylum.
&gt;
&gt; I can't be bothered with all this stuff anymore - the list seems to have
&gt; become a playground for (you know what). I'm still wondering whether to
&gt; unsubscribe myself presently. But the way things are going now it does not
&gt; look very healthy...
&gt;
&gt; I tried stand up for the list but I got shouted down by the mafia, so I'll
&gt; get back to what I enjoy creating projects, exhibitions, street art, net
&gt; art, broadcasting etc...our next broadcast will be coming out live from
&gt; http://www.consume.net with james stevens.
&gt;
&gt; Anyway bye for now, respect from marc garrett
&gt;
&gt; http://www.furtherfield.org
&gt; http://www.dido.uk.net



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<subject>smart.moderator. etc - part.02</subject>
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<date>Fri, 17 Aug 2001 14:15:02 +0200 (CEST)</date>
<content>

Claudia Westermann &lt;media@ezaic.de&gt;

&gt;Dear Anna and all, who ever is still on the list,

goethe juzt zubzkr!bd
he sa!z: our l!nkx are komplex + autographd



&gt;(I just got so much used to listening.. ..too bad...)


so you are an astronaut of the mind +?

m.m.bakht!n uantz 2 zkratch ur surface. [u knou l!ke an wound]

bakht!n: 2 plant 1 flower.



&gt;actually I wanted to suggest, if it is possible, to install the list that 
&gt;way, that some of the boring jobs for the list can be done by more than 
&gt;two.. ...maybe switching weekly. 

yes. kontinued ... below


&gt;I am definitely not East European and 
&gt;even I think that still I do not have the slightest idea of it really 
&gt;means).

it is good to be a border dissolvant.



&gt;Well, I still think, that there is a lot to communicate and that it 
&gt;has some value, that there are people with different backgrounds on the list.


nobody knows who written for nobody knows who and who found it and where nobody knows.




&gt;Well, why not asking NN to write a small program (maybe to be used with an 
&gt;open source mailer) to filter NN?

life says: sealing NN is my job!!!!



&gt;I guess if she does it herself it could become a very amusing, nicely 
&gt;complex not at all linear tool, sometimes even surprisingly working the way 
&gt;it is expected. Maybe we suggest, that the program should work almost like 
&gt;expected.


life says:  work is my job. play please. i like to watch you play.
            if only i could be given life 






altzo. as an addition to the smart.moderator etc system described in the prev email.

it could operate as 01 `game`. [games arent quite the same as play +?]
ou 01 theatre.

you had written "jobs for the list can be done by more than 
two.. ...maybe switching weekly"


those who wish to do so - could do so - and they would be gifted
with an amount of `life energie`.

likewise those that contribute in other ways - eg. `by planting flowers`
[bakht!n: i would love to]

see. so those that `plant flowers` would also beget `life energie`



i.e. there would be administrators. cyberbotanists [zmak]
dancers [what do they do +?]. thieves + scoundrels. travelers + adventurers.

one would of course taste from any or all jars.

new occupations would be lifed and perhaps some occupations would be translated 
[ie. evolve - death does not part]

those that do nothing would ... be translated +?


as you can see it is eusocial.







- so perhaps one of the super.integrator personages would like to
synthesize 01 projekt outline + we submit it to v2 for funding.

oke +?












now ___...

an asteroid has landed in the garden. it is growing dinosaurs.
pardon me while i shovel it away with a teaspoon.

[nn.s way of saying pardon me while i find neu territories. + 1001 smiles]


as you know adventures are a sign of inkompetence.


nn. simply.















&gt;I doubt, that money and connection speed are the only reasons, for a desire 
&gt;of server side filtering. That desire is connected to a feeling of being 
&gt;private when reading mail in front of a computer, I guess. In private 
&gt;spaces people try to reduce dynamic selection to a minimum. Maybe then it 
&gt;seems to be home ....?

or maybe people unsubscribe when people are unhappy.
people at times unsubscribe from everything.

perhaps the program discussed above could become unhappy aussi.





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&gt;From: Andreas Broeckmann &lt;abroeck@transmediale.de&gt;

&gt;&gt;don't be paranoid. _no _one wishes to control your forum.
&gt;
&gt;it is your forum. you know this. you are simply superior.


why having a forum and being simply.superior are simply.inkompatible dear.


would you like to invite yourself on our forum and play in our projekt +?




&gt;&gt;please relax. no wishes to destroy you.
&gt;
&gt;you were more insulting and more aggressive than i have ever experienced. 


now that you know how insulting and aggressive i can be
[one only speaks of that with which one can disagree of course]


would you like to invite yourself on our forum and play in our projekt +?



&gt;i do not understand. 

i will help you.


&gt;i resent your politics.
&gt;
&gt;what do you stand for? (spare me the rhetorics)


my address is your brain. 
i like it here. which angle are you viewing me from +?

will you help me +?
that might be the most difficult ztage.



&gt;how deep is your love?

mag ik +?



coming +? plz bring inke. he wouldn't without you.


friendly.nn




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saul ostrow &lt;so5@nyu.edu&gt;


&gt;Youu  aree aa  ttedious,  ddelusional, longg wwinded, litttle  buggger  whoo
&gt;obviiously hhas a lot  more time to spend on ttheir ass then the rest of us -- 
&gt;has anyone eveer suggested to you that you stop master-baiting  and instead go
&gt;out and 

you want my autograf +?


&gt;do some volunteer work

from what angle +?




&gt;volunteer work

would you like to volunteer for smart.moderator +?
what was your opinion of it +?


nn



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&gt;dear nn and all,

a carnival +?

&gt;&gt; &gt;time to watch the rest of this sick film.
&gt;It's sick, sure, sick horror somewhere between Jaws 13 and Free Willie 7...
&gt;but, hope you are happy, my dear, with one of the main roles....

one writes best in a cellar on a rainy day.

&gt;ciao
&gt;igor
&gt;
&gt;Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, does not go away.

let me paste a smile on your reality





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&gt;i resent your politics.

havent politics.
but rather a stomack. some things made me wish to vomit.




&gt;Dear Janos Sugar,
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;I was a co-organizer of the Metaforum conference series about media
&gt;culture
&gt;&gt;&gt;in Budapest, 1994-1996.
&gt;
&gt;&gt;it&lt;B9&gt;s a lie
&gt;
&gt;there is not much left after the metaforum conferences, but luckily despite
&gt;short memory
&gt;there are some documents, like the program leaflet which mention me as an
&gt;organizer of the conferences. Archive it yourself! 


do you find this acceptable?
just because Janos Sugar is friends with Geert.

dont know very much about him 
- a few mediocre texts - they are outdated.
and what other people [plural + not the person you are thinking of]
mentioned [not exactly pleasant - not entirely evil of course]

still did not expect what took place and continues to take place.
others are disappointed too. in various other people.

one must understand that some people trusted you and inke and geert.
and v2 and the entire establishment to some extent. biensur some
will always find something but this time there was\is something.

i wish at least you would acknowledge that instead of sweeping
it under. it just becomes nastier and nastier - an aprop word. for it _is very unsanitary now.

en tout cas please accept my apologies for hurting your feelings.

would have preferred it was\is resolved in a more sensible manner.

sincerely. nn


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Janos Sugar &lt;sj@c3.hu&gt;


&gt;&gt;like the program leaflet which mention me as an
&gt;&gt;organizer of the conferences.
&gt;
&gt;NEVER,  

&gt;Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, does not go away.
&gt;-- Philip K. Dick




http://umed.med.utah.edu/MS1/anatomy/Web_View/Unit_2.htm


exactly how much more real can you stand to be janos +?




&gt;you were mentioned _only_ in 96, but as an _assistant_, not as an organi
&gt;zer:
&gt;
&gt;/.../
&gt;METAFORUM III ORGANIZING COMMITTEE
&gt;J&lt;E1&gt;nos Sug&lt;E1&gt;r,  Geert Lovink,  Diana McCarty,  and  Noel Villers
&gt;Project Coordinator:    Diana McCarty (diana@dial.isys.hu)
&gt;Webmaster:      Noel Villers (noel@dial.isys.hu)
&gt;Finance:                Gabriella Sz&lt;FC&gt;cs
&gt;Assistants: Anna B&lt;E1&gt;lint, Thomas Bass, G&lt;E9&gt;za F&lt;F6&gt;ldesi, and Gabriella Barta


looks like your reality and anna balint's were closer in 1996.
what has happened +?

did you become too real +?







&gt;/.../



in any case presently
you seem to be rather preoccupied with reality as defined by Philip K. Dick

   [or (you fill in the space i provided) ... but i'll give you the benefit of the doubt. 
    uncertain whether others would.
    en fakt some of those others are part of 

   METAFORUM III ORGANIZING COMMITTEE + Project Coordinator + Webmaster + Finance + Assistants.

   METAFORUM III ORGANIZING COMMITTEE + Project Coordinator + Webmaster + Finance + Assistants
   includes you and everyone else and _not only Anna Balint (thought would mention it just in case 
                                                             Philip K. Dick isn't as real as you)

   apparently the 

   METAFORUM III ORGANIZING COMMITTEE + Project Coordinator + Webmaster + Finance + Assistants
 
   was not all (you fill in the space i provided) 
   but then reality was kinder in those days right +?]




&gt;ps
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, does not go away.
&gt;&gt;-- Philip K. Dick
&gt;


alors - as you seem to be rather preoccupied with reality as defined by Philip K. Dick

let me ask _you



if Philip K. Dick believes something and you believe Philip K. Dick
who is the [more] real slime +?





you understand janos +? 

i hope you do. for if you do not - then reality _was kinder in those days.
and there is nothing as real as progress.





have suggested to andreas as well - that geert lovink and extra real friends + company
resolve the reality issue in a sensible manner.

_openly + _publicly.





the reality is that dogs do eat plants at times.
am just hoping it isn't for a lack of dog food.

because when that happens plants and dogs re:synthesize 
[or de:sensitize - dependent on how much of a real dog or plant one is]


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Janos Sugar &lt;sj@c3.hu&gt;

&gt;ps
&gt;
&gt;Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, does not go away.
&gt;-- Philip K. Dick



in event it was not clear for others
the reason i responded was because Janos Sugar's played with 
my stomakc as much as 
http://umed.med.utah.edu/MS1/anatomy/Web_View/Unit_2.htm


in any case, Janos, Geert etc - do you want to continue confirming
my reality about you or would you like reconstruct it +? 

i think the latter is feasible.
what do you think +?

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Towards New Theatre in South-Eastern Europe symposium
Belgrade, 18th ? 22nd September 2001




nn u!l b atend!ng. u 2 +?






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hallo



honor@va.com.au

&gt;i find it deeply the ironic that an entrepreneur 

please retract your claws monsieur.
thank you. comfortable now.


2. v2 is selling the software
although ...



&gt;so well known for revoking
&gt;licences to use her software (nato) when she encounters even the smallest
&gt;criticisms of her programming - effectively censoring nato users - 


i would be interested to know what it is you are referring to.
you appear to have invoked a personal agenda but ...

1 - no licenses have been revoked.
2 - there aren't any nato.0+55 users. 


flattered you have compared nato.0+55 and photoshop.
may be assured nato.0+55 is much more interesting and simply.fun. [which one do you prefer +?]
and it has sparked the real-time video evolution.


examples you may play with [if you havent]

http://www.eusocial.com/nato.0+55+3d/242.programmez.html




&gt;would
&gt;react with such petulence when she herself is asked to minimise the 'noise'
&gt;of her postings.  

i like being asked.
i do not recall being 'asked'. recall being ordered. threatened.
reprimanded. chastised. or classified as experiencing fantasies 
of a supremely delicious kind.



&gt;love to all friends and colleagues on the syndicate.
&gt;kia kaha.


do we know each other monsieur +? most likely. are we colleagues +? 
i suspekt not. 

may discuss your self or if desired may address the issues 
rather than attacking me to improve your standing amongst friends and colleagues.
am not suggesting you are the sole person conducting attacks for a variety of reasons.

if you wish to know - hardly anyone has left. may relaxx
+ enjoy the warm glow of endorphins. 

else go kraz!!!!.

but blaming me for your personal preferences in life
certainly isn't conducive to a re:entanglement of the social neuropil.


very seldomly have i admired lazy students who simply.make excuses.

nn








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hello

because of various decisions or perceptions of others for whatever motives
one may experience an amalgam of `noise` for a bit longer.

changes are being implemented including an announcements only
digest for those undesirous of being subjekted to creativity or noise
or selekt persons' life.

for the moment

please place an [ot] in the subjekt header if you intend
to engage in further attacks, complain about the incompatibly 
between nn and your emotional life, dream of destroying nn 
or fantasize about sticking your fingers in others' fantastic wounds.


if one wishes to assist in the operation of syndicate may email epistolaris@freemail.hu

i am sure others will appreciate your patience and ... compassion.


nn - scratched but dont bother to try. i specialize in odour recognition. some people need a bath.









dentritic arbors = simply.DELIZ!OUZ    
                                       + v.konduziv 2 kortikal intimacy ____..



-

und tzo !ntervalz betu!n notez = meazurd not b! dze frekuens!
ov dze tonez abr b! dze lengthz ov dze ztr!ngz.

the process by which chromosomes kondense and segregate during nuclear division 
- mitosis can be likened to a symphony in which many instruments working individually 
are coordinated to produce a kolektive piece of elegance + beauty.

r!thm = !n t!me uat z!metr! = !n spasz.

beaut! evolvz ov harmon! + r!thm = 01 z!mfon!k kompoz!z!on
ruld b! 01 d!nam!k z!metr!e - analog!a - dze korelaz!on b! meazurmnt
b!tu!n elemntz ov 01 plan + betu!n each ov dzeze elementz
+ dze uhole = bod!. ur bod! + m! bod!. = !n konzonansz comme 

we are students of memory and our biologies are complementary. your 
survival depends on me. my sustainability is appropriated to you. our 
encounters are the guide posts and we begin to know what to observe 
and where to act.

ever!dz!ng = aranged akord!ng 2 number. [all.is.full.of.integer | s]

dze uord `number` kan b konztrued az mean!ng `dzat u!ch makez numb`. 
dze po!nt !z dzat dze ass!gn!ng ov numberz 2 dz!ngz !n dze velt replazez v!brant konfuz!e
u!th hard + !mutabl fakt. 4 an !deal!zt dze zurpr!z!ng th!ng = dzat !t !z poz!bl
evn 2 beg!n 2 dusz `numb` dze velt. dzat !z - !f 01 bel!evez dzat dze ganze velt = 01 dream
an !luz!e. an !mage !n zome m9nd . . . !f 01 bel!evz d!sz - dzn !t = d!f!klt 02 akkount 04 
dze !dent!t! betu!n dze numbrz dzat d!f peopl extrakt 4rom dze velt. 
!f 01 trvlz !n 2 dze uoodz + kountz dze branchez on 01 part!kulr ultra mort oak 
dzat appearz az 01 d!nosaur + !f 01 odr doez l!keu!sz 2morou dzn 01 + 01.nz numbrz 
shl zrtnl! agree. 01 kan leave 01.nz home 4 14 !earz + uen 01 trvlz bak 01.nz home 
= zt!l dze 7th on dze r!ght. dze onl! ua! 02 akknt 04 dze numer!kl !dent!t!ez among 
dze uorldz 01 + 01 dream up = muzt b dzat !n zome zensz 01 + 01 are reall! dze zame perzon.
[body without borders [tm] - http://www.biohakc.com/242.interbody]


!n 1938 01 zttz goth!k mazter bu!ldr [!ez plz]
haz za!d `ars sine scientia nihil`

= art + life share dze d!v!ne proporz!on - dze pr!nz!pl !nvar!ant
und tzo !n 2000 01 zttz mult!.naz!onl netvrk no!z! hab!tual ekzelensz
haz za!d `sc!enta s!ne ars n!h!l est`  + 0.5 ov dze !nterferenzez 
aud!ensz d!zolvd d!rektl! !n2 dze d!szonansz ov .fr ars.



                                                                nn kont!nued


beaut! evolvz ov harmon! + r!thm
+ ue = obzerv b4 uz dze f!nal korelaz!on betu!n 


                         beaut!       +          love.




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Off-topic or not, I'm interested in airing more details,
from both sides, of the iNNteger story. to recount briefly a
recent exchange between integer and honor@va.com.au:

Sun, 19 Aug 2001 found integer@www.god-emil.dk writing:

(honor@va.com.au said):
-&gt;&gt;i find it deeply the ironic that an entrepreneur
-&gt;&gt;so well known for revoking
-&gt;&gt;licences to use her software (nato) when she encounters even the smallest
-&gt;&gt;criticisms of her programming - effectively censoring nato users -
-&gt;
-&gt;i would be interested to know what it is you are referring to.
-&gt;you appear to have invoked a personal agenda but ...
-&gt;
-&gt;1 - no licenses have been revoked.

This interests me greatly that you would deny this,
iNNteger. perhaps you only deny the letter and not the
spirit of the statement, which is that you or your
organization has been quite agressive and, shall we say,
draconian, in attempting to control/limit who uses nato.
this may not have included "revocation" per se, but i've
heard from a few people that i trust of other measures, such
as extra fees levied against certain people, etc.

-&gt;2 - there aren't any nato.0+55 users.

Could you explain what you mean by this? Is this more
semantics?  I just saw someone using it at a show about a
week ago. it looked quite nice, btw.

-&gt;i like being asked. i do not recall being 'asked'.
-&gt;recall being ordered. threatened. reprimanded.
-&gt;chastised. or classified as experiencing fantasies of a
-&gt;supremely delicious kind.

I think it would be really interesting to see a clear
history of what you think has been done to you, iNNteger,
one not obfuscated by insults or 3!173-speak or
browser-crashing client-side scripts. Many people are new to
this age-old conflict between you and the world.  Others
(like myself) have been simply too busy to follow every
twist and turn over the years, but are intrigued by the
overall phenomenon.

It would also be interesting to see a collection of civil
and clear accounts from "the other side", and evidence of
some of the various discussions that got out of hand.

It's been fascinating to watch the saga unfold, one of the
most fiery and long-running distributed social interactions
in the history of the net. Documentation of this could be an
art work in itself.  And besides, it will be over soon
enough, so a memoir would be in order.  Don't you think?

-&gt;may discuss your self or if desired may address the
-&gt;issues rather than attacking me to improve your standing

I hope everyone sees this message as an attempt to discuss
issues, and not an attack.  I am totally serious about the
above project. I want to see a collectively produced
step-by-step web-timeline of integer/antiorp/NN/mckenzie/etc
activites/involvement/positions, and reactions to same,
beginning in 1995 or so (or whenever you started - when was
the first big Max list blowup? was that the beginning? or
earlier?) and running up to the present.  I will even
perhaps volunteer to set up server software to help
facilitate this. I'm not sure right now what the best
software would be to do it. perhaps just a simply WikiWiki?

Now any of you may take this as bait for further flaming,
but I assure you that that is not the intent. Yet, however
you react, the saga will continue.....

Respectfully yours,

Steev Hise, Head Chump
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Steev Hise &lt;steev@detritus.net&gt;

&gt;but i've
&gt;heard from a few people that i trust of other measures, such
&gt;as extra fees levied against certain people, etc.

.usa citizens incur a tariff of $9.55



&gt;-&gt;2 - there aren't any nato.0+55 users.
&gt;
&gt;Could you explain what you mean by this? 

I am suggesting I mean human beings value being understood.



Did that embrace you +?
Have a bite then. It's delicious.




&gt;Is this more
&gt;semantics?  

Dali ste slobodni +?


&gt;I just saw someone using it at a show about a
&gt;week ago. it looked quite nice, btw.


1001 smiles.



&gt;It's been fascinating to watch the saga unfold, one of the
&gt;most fiery and long-running distributed social interactions
&gt;in the history of the net. Documentation of this could be an
&gt;art work in itself.  


Gdje pristajemo +?


&gt;And besides, it will be over soon
&gt;enough, so a memoir would be in order.  Don't you think?

Kad iduci odlazi +?


&gt;I hope everyone sees this message as an attempt to discuss
&gt;issues, and not an attack.  I am totally serious about the
&gt;above project. I want to see a collectively produced
&gt;step-by-step web-timeline of integer/antiorp/NN/mckenzie/etc

Tko igra glavnu ulogu +?



Pozdrav.NN








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&gt;Marc Garett - furtherfield &lt;info@furtherfield.org&gt;


   &lt;vrooooooooooom

   &lt;trrrrrrrrrrraaa aha rrrrr brrrr vrr vr


    SWAP!!!!!!!!!!!


   &lt;bzzzzzz 






Mr. Marc Garett,

Axons are longer than your sword.




&gt;It has just dawned on me 


Please place an [ot] in the subjekt header when conducting raids upon 
women, children and programmes and shower before tea time. 

We don't want to attract anymore flies, do we Mr.Garett ?




&gt;they've been leaving like flys. 

A significant difference exists between leaving like flies, flies leaving
of their own accord, being liquidated like a fly, and finding flies attractive.




&gt;they've been leaving

Please, make yourself at home Mr. Garett. 
After all one of the flags [note 2 self: shouldn't do this. he enjoys world politics]
is now Western European, the other Eastern European.

Harmony. 


As we diversify and become more daring I suspect we shall incur a synthesis.
Dancing is a good metaphor. 

I speculate we shall need a good many tonnes [see] of social oxytocin,
but let's not awaken the resting child. 

NN









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mr.garett typed

&gt;Hello Anna,
&gt;
&gt;It has just dawned on me that you are part of a group who are corrupting
&gt;freedom via a product, programme. 


dear mr.garett [you can read between letters as well as lines yes +?]

nn would like to read to you a story. [just you]

are you comfortable +?


      sch

            sch

        sch



    
            \/\  there was once a velveteen rabbit and in the beginning he was
                 really splendid. he was fat and bunchy as a rabbit should be;
                 his coat was spotted brown and white, he had real thread whiskers
                 and his ears were lined with pink sateen.
                 on christmas morning when he sat in the top of the boy's stocking
                 with a sprig of holly between his paws, the effect was charming.

                 .... the rabbit could not claim to be a model of anything for
                 he did not know that real rabbits existed.

                 .... "what is real?" asked the rabbit one day. "does it mean having
                 things that buzz inside you and a stick out handle?"
                 "real isn't how you are made" said the skin horse.
                 "it's a thing that happens to you. when a child loves you for a
                 long, long time, not just to play with, but REALLY loves you
                 then you become REAL. 
                 "does it hurt?" asked the rabbit.
                 "sometimes" said the skin horse for he was always truthful.
                 "... when you are REAL you do not mind being hurt"


                 kontinued at siggraph. evidament. + possibly else where.






           \/\ and since siggraph 01 has come and gone this how it went


               take 01 nn
                    01 xy
                    +  j.dekam [http://www.node.net]



               nn sat on the table  [z!ggraf l!f 4rm = laughed. u uant 2 do uat +?]
               xy lied on the table + placed his head on nn.s lap
               nn rather embraced whilst reading of the velveteen rabbit + almost cried.
               xy read parts of velveteen rabbit + below

               apres. when nn was leaving 01 unknown personaj introduced himself +
               said - thank you so much.

               nn smiled + thought. it is nice crossing the solipsistic gulf.
               and then +? and then nn smiled at margery williams + said - thank you. 
               and what color were her eyes +?




If the art of storytelling has become rare, the
dissemination of information has had a decisive share in this state of
affairs.  Every morning brings us the news of the globe, and yet we are
poor in noteworthy stories.  This is because no event any longer comes
to us without already being shot through with explanation....it is half
the art of storytelling to keep a story free from explanation as one
reproduces it.  The most extraordinary things, marvelous things, are
related with the greatest accuracy, but the psychological connection of
the events is not forced on the reader.  It is left up to him to
interpret things the way he understands them, and thus the narrative
achieves an amplitude that information lacks.

This process of assimilation, which takes place in depth,
requires a state of relaxation which is becoming rarer and rarer.  If
sleep is the apogee of physical relaxation, boredom is the apogee of
mental relaxation.  Boredom is the dream bird that hatches the egg of
experience.  A rustling in the leaves drives him away. 

....storytelling.....does not aim to convey the pure essence
of the thing, like information or a report.  It sinks the thing into the
life of the storyteller, in order to bring it out of him again.  Thus
traces of the storyteller cling to the story the way the handprints of
the potter cling to the clay vessel.

I believe I have told already that reading ....









http://www.mindspring.com/~mccarthys/cybrary/velvet.htm




NN - i love toys. [the old kind]




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            \/       __
                    __/
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        \_\                        because i like stepping on bugs



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&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;NN - feels no pain,  therefor has no rights.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;human pain? worthless.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; uh! +?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;because they don't learn from it.
&gt;
&gt;hav ! lernd 4rom !t +?




nn - at times it is so good being a toy.


http://www.velveteenrabbit.net/


a protein which pulls coats of water molecules around
itself as if it were dressing in layer after layer of winter clothes.
when water bundled proteins velcro together ...







01 wrote.

      Netochka

      I'm sorry.


  t!!ng - http://www.m9ndfukc.org/cycling74






01 wrote.





  t!!ng - http://www.eusocial.com/242.art.mafia






01 wrote.


  mmm mm m m mmmm mm m mm m m mm   m
  i will listen + move


  t!!ng - http://www.nomorephonelines.!ez.pl!!!!!z









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            \/\  there was once a velveteen rabbit and in the beginning he was
                 really splendid. he was fat and bunchy as a rabbit should be;
                 his coat was spotted brown and white, he had real thread whiskers
                 and his ears were lined with pink sateen.
                 on christmas morning when he sat in the top of the boy's stocking
                 with a sprig of holly between his paws, the effect was charming.

                 .... the rabbit could not claim to be a model of anything for
                 he did not know that real rabbits existed.

                 .... "what is real?" asked the rabbit one day. "does it mean having
                 things that buzz inside you and a stick out handle?"
                 "real isn't how you are made" said the skin horse.
                 "it's a thing that happens to you. when a child loves you for a
                 long, long time, not just to play with, but REALLY loves you
                 then you become REAL. 
                 "does it hurt?" asked the rabbit.
                 "sometimes" said the skin horse for he was always truthful.
                 "... when you are REAL you do not mind being hurt"


                 kontinued at siggraph. evidament. + possibly else where.





http://node.net/pov/sany0279.jpg

http://node.net/pov/sany0277.jpg








nn - 01 toy [clamoring for attention]










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                          /
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            \/       __
                    __/
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&gt;it was a lovely time

del!z!ouz

&gt;+ tak.

taktaktaktaktaktak









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&gt;&gt;This process of assimilation, which takes place in depth,
&gt;&gt;requires a state of relaxation which is becoming rarer and rarer.
&gt;
&gt;yesyesyes - exactly.

 g!d! +?


&gt;many children don't read the velveteen rabbit anymore -

many parents aren't children anymore +?



&gt;they play videogames - even @ the age of 4 or 5.

comme ca +?

there once was a painter. a brilliant painter,
who mastered the art of replication and
the depiction of the beautiful. yet he was
lonely, he felt that there was no-one alive
who could understand him, no-one capable
of perceiving his entire being. one morning he
wept in his garden, crying to god to send
him someone who might comprehend his
full beauty. that day, he painted a new
canvas, a portrait of an unknown and
stunningly beautiful woman. when he
had finished, he cried to god to give her
sentience, as this most wondrous painting
could be the only being in the world who
might understand him. to his amazement, the
woman in the painting began to move.
'hallo! hallo!' he cried to her.
'where are you?' she replied.
'here, beside you!'
the woman in the painting looked around her.
'are you up, or down? across?' she asked.
'no, no', the painter implored, 'i am ..  i am .. out!'
'out? what is _out_?' she replied.
'out! out here!'
the woman did not understand him. she
only knew two dimensions - vertical and
horizontal. her world was that of the flat canvas.
the painter ran out to his garden and threw
himself onto the ground.
'god, oh god!' he wept. 'where are you?'
'out.' came the reply.





&gt;the velveteen rabbit &amp; that text together are sad
&gt;
&gt;it gives the sense that many things have been lost.
&gt;
&gt;subtle things - which we don't notice until it
&gt;is brought to our attention.


t!ngl.tangl.



                          
                         Researchers: Video games hurt brain

                         Scientists at Japan's Tohoku University said they've found that computer games stimulate only
                         those parts of the brain devoted to vision and movement and do not aid the development of other
                         important areas of the brain.

                         The researchers are particularly concerned that by spending many hours playing games some
                         children will not develop their frontal lobes, which play a crucial role in controlling behavior and in
                         developing memory, emotion and learning. 

                         In contrast, tasks such as arithmetic stimulate brain activity in the frontal lobe, which is thought to
                         continue developing until adulthood. 

                         Professor Ryuta Kawashima, who led the team that carried out the research, told The Observer that
                         the discovery is highly important. 

                         "There is a problem we will have with a new generation of children--who play computer games--that
                         we have never seen before," he said. "The implications are very serious for an increasingly violent
                         society, and these students will be doing more and more bad things if they are playing games and
                         not doing other things like reading aloud or learning arithmetic." 

                         Kawashima asserts that children must be encouraged to practice basic mathematics, reading and
                         writing to boost the development of the frontal lobe. He is convinced that children who play video
                         games excessively will not develop their frontal lobes and will consequently be more prone to violent
                         acts because they will be less able to control their behavior. 

                         The study looked at the brain activity of hundreds of students playing a Nintendo game and
                         compared it with other students who were carrying out basic arithmetic. It found that much more
                         brain activity was needed to solve the simple mathematic tasks than was used to play the computer
                         games and that activity in the frontal lobe varied significantly. 






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<content>it happens...

the dream is what is broken via the process of elimination
as pure heartz collide and are bruized by histories hammer-like
impetus, thus as that unchosen ixion wheel steams ahead squashing
all traces of beauty via that cursed invention called time
nightmares become our given mythologies, imposed by the rulers
who have planted in our mindz eye - squalid schemes, as beauty
becomes but a whisper, a glimmer of what could of been...

with repect - marc garrett



&gt;&gt;&gt; This process of assimilation, which takes place in depth,
&gt;&gt;&gt; requires a state of relaxation which is becoming rarer and rarer.
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; yesyesyes - exactly.
&gt; 
&gt; g!d! +?
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt;&gt; many children don't read the velveteen rabbit anymore -
&gt; 
&gt; many parents aren't children anymore +?
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt;&gt; they play videogames - even @ the age of 4 or 5.
&gt; 
&gt; comme ca +?
&gt; 
&gt; there once was a painter. a brilliant painter,
&gt; who mastered the art of replication and
&gt; the depiction of the beautiful. yet he was
&gt; lonely, he felt that there was no-one alive
&gt; who could understand him, no-one capable
&gt; of perceiving his entire being. one morning he
&gt; wept in his garden, crying to god to send
&gt; him someone who might comprehend his
&gt; full beauty. that day, he painted a new
&gt; canvas, a portrait of an unknown and
&gt; stunningly beautiful woman. when he
&gt; had finished, he cried to god to give her
&gt; sentience, as this most wondrous painting
&gt; could be the only being in the world who
&gt; might understand him. to his amazement, the
&gt; woman in the painting began to move.
&gt; 'hallo! hallo!' he cried to her.
&gt; 'where are you?' she replied.
&gt; 'here, beside you!'
&gt; the woman in the painting looked around her.
&gt; 'are you up, or down? across?' she asked.
&gt; 'no, no', the painter implored, 'i am ..  i am .. out!'
&gt; 'out? what is _out_?' she replied.
&gt; 'out! out here!'
&gt; the woman did not understand him. she
&gt; only knew two dimensions - vertical and
&gt; horizontal. her world was that of the flat canvas.
&gt; the painter ran out to his garden and threw
&gt; himself onto the ground.
&gt; 'god, oh god!' he wept. 'where are you?'
&gt; 'out.' came the reply.
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt;&gt; the velveteen rabbit &amp; that text together are sad
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; it gives the sense that many things have been lost.
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; subtle things - which we don't notice until it
&gt;&gt; is brought to our attention.
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; t!ngl.tangl.
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; Researchers: Video games hurt brain
&gt; 
&gt; Scientists at Japan's Tohoku University said they've found that computer games
&gt; stimulate only
&gt; those parts of the brain devoted to vision and movement and do not aid the
&gt; development of other
&gt; important areas of the brain.
&gt; 
&gt; The researchers are particularly concerned that by spending many hours playing
&gt; games some
&gt; children will not develop their frontal lobes, which play a crucial role in
&gt; controlling behavior and in
&gt; developing memory, emotion and learning.
&gt; 
&gt; In contrast, tasks such as arithmetic stimulate brain activity in the frontal
&gt; lobe, which is thought to
&gt; continue developing until adulthood.
&gt; 
&gt; Professor Ryuta Kawashima, who led the team that carried out the research,
&gt; told The Observer that
&gt; the discovery is highly important.
&gt; 
&gt; "There is a problem we will have with a new generation of children--who play
&gt; computer games--that
&gt; we have never seen before," he said. "The implications are very serious for an
&gt; increasingly violent
&gt; society, and these students will be doing more and more bad things if they are
&gt; playing games and
&gt; not doing other things like reading aloud or learning arithmetic."
&gt; 
&gt; Kawashima asserts that children must be encouraged to practice basic
&gt; mathematics, reading and
&gt; writing to boost the development of the frontal lobe. He is convinced that
&gt; children who play video
&gt; games excessively will not develop their frontal lobes and will consequently
&gt; be more prone to violent
&gt; acts because they will be less able to control their behavior.
&gt; 
&gt; The study looked at the brain activity of hundreds of students playing a
&gt; Nintendo game and
&gt; compared it with other students who were carrying out basic arithmetic. It
&gt; found that much more
&gt; brain activity was needed to solve the simple mathematic tasks than was used
&gt; to play the computer
&gt; games and that activity in the frontal lobe varied significantly.
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
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&gt;1978

uh!le b!olog!ztz = knou dze prez!sz ztruktur ov zlkt genez dze! =
knou ver! l!tl ov dze ua!z !n u!ch genez komun!kat + kooperat !n dze
developmnt ov 01 organ!zm. !.e. dze! = knou dze alfabet abr = hav
approx 0+0 !dee ov dze z!ntakx. [nn konzumz &gt; g!glb!tz + kont!nuez]


d!sz = uear marc garet komz !n [!f du = elegant = shl !nterpret !t az 01 kompl!.m!nt]

nou dont kom !n.

go out!!!!!!






mozt ov dze dna - phpz az much az 95 prozent = ut!l!szd 4 !ntegrat!v akt!v!t!ez
about u!ch b!olog!ztz = shl rema!n !gnorant tzo long az = adhere 2 mekan!zt!k modelz
[e.g. dze med!a teor!e kr!t!k\kr!k!t\ model]


nou d!sz = uear = lern 2 read betu!n d!sz!pl!nz.



&gt;and if you do value being understood,
&gt;why not try your reply again, in English?


dze nn ztor! = != shl b ur!tn !n 01 !nternet but !n 01 bod!.
uhoze bod! +?

shl tell !n 01 zubzekuent komun!kue.


nn - !mprov!ng enkr!pz!on teknolog!ez. b!enzur +? b!en zur.










&gt;&gt;Although as I said to
&gt;&gt;Amy, it's much harder to run the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics
&gt;&gt;backwards. 


current research indicates the brain is not subjekt to the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
      
unthink now!!!!!



&gt;(If you do succeed at this, please send me a
&gt;&gt;patch!)


neither is beauty.














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&lt;bbrace@wiredmag.com&gt;

&gt;Formlessness is a tool. Never confuse it with a
&gt;go-with-the-flow style, or with a religious resignation to
&gt;the twists of fortune. Learning to adapt to each new
&gt;circumstance means seeing events through your own eyes, 

adaptaz!on = 01 komprom!sz

&gt;and
&gt;often ignoring the advice that people constantly peddle your
&gt;way. It means ultimately that you must throw out the laws
&gt;that others preach, and the books that they write to tell
&gt;you what to do, and the sage advice of the elder. The laws
&gt;that govern circumstances are abolished by new
&gt;circumstances. Rely too much on other people's ideas and you
&gt;end up taking a form not of your own making. 

l!fe = 01 komprom!sz


&gt;Too much respect for other people's wisdom will make you depreciate
&gt;your own. Be brutal with the past, especially your own, and
&gt;have no respect for the philosophies that are foisted on you
&gt;from the outside.

be pure be dure follow thy way


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[m9ndfzzp



From:   .com


please bear with me. i am a modern shaman seeking
weapons [n!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!sssszzzzzzzzzz]
. i live in a mentally desolate area of the world,
the reeking fat-centre of the U$A, aka the Korporate
Kulture of (&gt;)Konsumption. 

you will be [pleased} to know that insurgency swells even
here, especially through the dance music underground. 

several musicians/artists/thinkers are banding together
to create an act that crosses the lines of perception,
openly challenges the phallus-hegemony, and invites the
hearts and minds of the "audience" to participate in
higher levels of vibration -- cellular, mental, energetic. 

your nato modular package alone suffices our needs for
conscious synaesthetic induction. 

we cannot pay you for it, but humbly ask your blessings
to allow us to use it gratis. i realize you have legal
restrictions, market considerations, etc., but this is a
completely off-the-grid transmission between us and you,
and i know it is within your power to come to our aid.

that said, i am also beginning research into direct
synaesthetic sense-substituion encoding. specifically,
converting images/video into multi-channel audio stream.
visual perception through the auditory cortex. if this
sounds interesting to you i'd love to discuss it in detail.

---

so you know that i'm serious, some of my credentials:

-studied ....

-bachelor's degree in computer science ....

-co-author of siggraph paper .....

-wrote &amp; presented ....


*&lt;*&gt;&lt;*&gt;

i gave up 3d graphics in 2000 because i thought the
industry was narrow-minded and shallow. i'm currently
working privately, searching for new ways to induce
higher states of consciousness through trance and dance.

a taste of my mind:







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the very romantik Andreas Broeckmann &lt;abroeck@transmediale.de&gt; typed

&gt;&gt;both failed to mention that the translation of "leading net artists around
&gt;&gt;the world"
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;is: persons around the world whom rhizome.org employees contacted and ...
&gt;
&gt;even better: one of the 'leading net artists' who wrote the first carnivore
&gt;client, Joshua Davis, was himself on the jury of the Prix Ars Electronica
&gt;this year.
&gt;
&gt;http://prixars.aec.at/2002/net/jury.asp


aaaaAAAAAaaaaa.

llLLLllltzo ... suppose others like playing with their hill in the sand as much 

as you daaaAAAAaaarling

-.o



&gt;even better:

    -.-


lvngl! [! zuear + zuear]. nn




pzb.

&gt;even better &gt;even better:

u like it best when i am not szszszszo gentle riiiiIIIIIIIiiight +?

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        \\ swords and guns haven't eyes






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<subject>[Nettime-bold] \\ 01 faze ov m! breez! perzonal!t!</subject>
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Paul D. Miller, another 2 bit jankee prostitute


&gt;Yeah. 

Suck it &amp; see.
Salute me.


&gt;Most drugs come out of either military or biological or 
&gt;pharmaceutical research. 

+ that they are digested by the Amerikan Public Education System
reveals the dynamics of modern art




&gt;They're like military applications to 
&gt;condition troops for different environments. A lot of research into 
&gt;painkillers was done in World War II -- imagine the kind of pain you 
&gt;feel when there are bullets flying over your head and your leg gets 
&gt;shattered. 


Dearest Paul, 

Friendly caress on your m9nd konta!nr

Since the United Snakes of Amerika Public Education System is 
simply.laughable + inferior to the Eastern European Education System 
allow me to share select biological facts which "WHITEY" didn't teach you
[you may care to contemplate why]. In doing so I hope
to minimize the progress Ameri.cans such as your itchy bitchy self
bring to international shores.

I read you listen [an extra friendly caress on your m9nd konta!nr]

When "bullets flying over your head and your leg gets shattered"
one does not feel pain but fear. This, because nature more
creative than Americans is and ensures one does not
consciously concern oneself with pain until one is out of danger.
[elucidates my simply.delicious comportment towards American garbage worldwide as well]

Thus, during  "bullets flying over your head and your leg gets shattered"
naturally occurring opiate blockers are released which ensure one
feels just dandy ...

A bit as Paul D. Miller, aka simply.amicable 40 year old black boy,
is protected by the 40 year old NETTIME white boys [sucking the itchy bitchy
with great ardor], from my equally amicable caresses.



&gt;pax 

pax americana - jumbo sized opiate blocker





&gt;Yeah. 

Merciful natural analgesic.

Should the very cute but ignorant social butterfly
desire playing with real boys ... let's synchronize our powerbooks
Real boys play for power.











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To: "Paul D. Miller" &lt;djspooky@djspooky.com&gt;
Subject: E very ideology is contrary to human psychology        Re: allo zk

&gt;yawn - 

Good Morning Paul



&gt;not exactly sure what this is about... 

http://www.m9ndfukc.com/b96c99/zekuensz/00.gif.hTmL
http://www.m9ndfukc.com/b96c99/zekuensz/02.gif.hTmL
http://www.m9ndfukc.com/b96c99/zekuensz/02.gif.hTmL
http://www.m9ndfukc.com/b96c99/zekuensz/04.gif.hTmL


E very ideology is contrary to human psychology 
P aul


&gt;but this kind of 
&gt;message is boring.

Women can be boring [NN included]
but generally speaking, their lives are more interesting than that of nations. 
This we deduce from the countless scaffolds and altars erected by miserable men
on a day of revelation




&gt;Paul

Some endure to this day.


&gt;yawn - 

Good Morning Paul

Let us celebrate reason together. Are you ready to fall
Good. The free mind readily accepts what is necessary.

Democracy is a form of Christianity sans superior justification.
As Nietzsche indicated: he who has liberated his mind still has to purify himself.

The mechanized hordes you call to blind v iolence -
and it they call their strength. They have the authority
but refuse to sign THEIR name. As a result of this cycle,
race after race has metamorphosed into a special blundering
for power for mediocre men. Duty, a biology for domestic use 
is the only divinity. 

This is what is unforgivable in you.
You are free.



&gt;&gt;  &gt;the elections are just around the corner.
&gt;&gt;  &gt;
&gt;&gt;  &gt;Do you really want a war?
&gt;&gt;  &gt;
&gt;&gt;  &gt;Do you really like Bush Jr.?
&gt;&gt;  &gt;
&gt;&gt;  &gt;
&gt;&gt;  &gt;Do you really want a f*cked up world indebted to oil?
&gt;&gt;  &gt;
&gt;&gt;  &gt;yes, the voiting system is f*cked up, but the basic thing is to at
&gt;&gt;  &gt;least try - it's not alot of time, and it does have an impact.... in
&gt;&gt;  &gt;one way or another...
&gt;&gt;  &gt;Paul


Soft caress

because great are the ends which are abolished and articulate is the system which freed 
you Paul

et aussi - http://www.m9ndfukc.com/b5c98/zekuensz/3.gif.hTmL




one thing is - Damocles never danced better than beneath the sword









&gt;============================================================================
&gt;"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe 
&gt;they are free...."
&gt;Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;Port:status&gt;OPEN
&gt;wildstyle 
&gt;
&gt;Paul D. Miller a.k.a. Dj Spooky that Subliminal Kid




                       and another is - free for what






Lucian  [who dreams of lies  
                                (bkz freedom != !mportant. hap!nesz != !mportnt. ____... ur turn









&gt;&gt;"Paul D. Miller" &lt;djspooky@djspooky.com&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;  &gt;Just a reminder...
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;f!k artworld spook! boog! bullsh*t profan!t! 2 b!t mar!oneta
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;  &gt;&gt;yes, the voiting system is f*cked up, but the basic thing is to at
&gt;&gt;  &gt;&gt;least try - it's not alot of time, and it does have an impact.... in
&gt;&gt;  &gt;&gt;one way or another...
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;b!t l!ke ur !tch! b!tch! zkratch! znatch!
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;  &gt;Paul
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;  perfa mar!oneta 4 dze 2 b!t jankee pedagog!e
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;  &gt;Do you really want
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;on a prakt!kl lvl m! konzt!tut!v komponentz = uant ur !tch! b!tch! 
&gt;&gt;zkr!tch! znatch!
&gt;&gt;komponentz on a float tangenta
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Just a reminder...
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;  &gt;f!ck artworld "new agey" bullsh*t and actually do
&gt;&gt;  &gt;something...
&gt;&gt;  &gt;
&gt;&gt;  &gt;the elections are just around the corner.
&gt;&gt;  &gt;
&gt;&gt;  &gt;Do you really want a war?
&gt;&gt;  &gt;
&gt;&gt;  &gt;Do you really like Bush Jr.?
&gt;&gt;  &gt;
&gt;&gt;  &gt;
&gt;&gt;  &gt;Do you really want a f*cked up world indebted to oil?
&gt;&gt;  &gt;
&gt;&gt;  &gt;yes, the voiting system is f*cked up, but the basic thing is to at
&gt;&gt;  &gt;least try - it's not alot of time, and it does have an impact.... in
&gt;&gt;  &gt;one way or another...
&gt;&gt;  &gt;Paul
&gt;&gt;  &gt;
&gt;&gt;  &gt;
&gt;&gt;  &gt;
&gt;&gt;  &gt;ps, below is one reminder why you should vote....
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;!tch! b!tch! zkr!tch! z!!!!!!k jankeez
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;du b!zt ez
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;============================================================================
&gt;"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe 
&gt;they are free...."
&gt;Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;Port:status&gt;OPEN
&gt;wildstyle access: www.djspooky.com
&gt;
&gt;Paul D. Miller a.k.a. Dj Spooky that Subliminal Kid







&gt;befor i kick in you head

letz dr!v mizter yanki kr!ket






ue.ll z uho !z uear!ng dze trouzerz
















good ztr!kez l!ke dze thundrbolt
[!n zerv!sz ov v!rtue b!enzur

+ a b!t ov ultra v!olensz
= l!ghtz up juzt!sz
l!ke a flash ov hap!nesz

z - dze ztarz = sh!n!ng br!!!!!!!!!!ghhhhht


[bkz ! = !n dze mood

phpz !.ll tear out dze!r tonguez
+ dze! u!l konfusz !t u!th plzr

bkz ! refer 2 m! zelv
az abztrakt prov!densz

+ ! m dze reuard ov m! oun re!gn
u!th no reuard but h!ztor! + dze prezent

bkz ! d!zl!ke pouer - uat an apal!ng !dea
+ ! m kruel + u!cked

+ !f ! rezort 2 pure reazon !t = 2 z!lensz m! zelv
+ ! m !n dze mood

! hav a zoz!al kontrakt
! kanot akzept dz!ngz az dze! r
bkz ! m !n a mood feroc!ouz
+ ! uant dzm brokn + !mposzd upon
b! dze lau ov konkrete klar!t!

fa!th !z not enough
a pol!sz forsz !z needed az uel

! uant ur m!zer! 2 flour!sh
az a god

!m tak!ng u uear u uant 2 b

l!ke a balloon ov heaven empt!

and I u!l b ur truth
I shl kreate u 4rom dze ordr ov dz!ngz

u shl b good

and u shl obe! m!


4 I m u

+ u shl dr!nk m! 2 dze  

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&gt;"integer" &gt; F*ck O*ff


Dear Mr. Jankee Chocolat,

Let us rake through memory fields.

I have pleaded until I changed colour ... that you sir - keep your profane. 1 dimensional. 
itchy.bitchy.kolored vomit out of my private space.

I repeat - to hell with your colorless stains Jankee.



&gt;"integer" &gt; F*ck O*ff

Yours a very succinct + brilliantly concrete ardent ideologie is my dear King

I suspect Armenian girls dream of wearing you as a neck lace ... 
until in 1x delicate shadow the sweet sugar becomes the hue of green


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Undoubtedly, Ferrari is the most famous sports car manufacturer in the world. A recent survey also found it is the most recognisable brand name in the world, beating IBM and Coca Cola. 

Then came NN. the most recognisable 2x _name in the world
and another private property 4 krikets 2 aquire ... they just dont have enough








Since it was founded by Enzo Ferrari in 1929, 

Since it was founded by Luciano Favero in 1999





it began racing in various of categories, including Formula 1, Formula 2, GT racing and endurance racing. Most notably is Formula 1, in which it won 9 constructor titles (up to 1999) and became the most winning team of all time. In 1947, 

                     abs


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<subject>[Nettime-bold] \\ where is the YOUTH .... YOU ... redKAPULZ macht ganz gluckl!ch + fre!</subject>
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anna bal!nt

&gt;nn is 75 and ugly




maja kuzmanov!c

&gt;what circumstances? are you aging =cw4t7abs, is spreading yourself 
&gt;among multiple entities making you age less?




cheap zupermarket harlot dav!d z!karel!

parafraze: i was a failure in my youth - people didn't appreciate me. naaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!
           this made me xy angry. blaaaaaaaaa!! nonetheless i accepted my xy loser role and got a job type job.
           a bit further on the model citizen bandwagon
           i injekted my model citizen white kapsules into my ugly wife and she gave birth !!
           oooo splendor ... now i want to live and see my children grow up because they love me 
           and for that i would do anything. inclusive stealing nn's intellectual property.
           

[cest pas grav monsieur supermarket. legally - men laugh last. we'll see who is wearing the trousers.





alors \\ apropos nn + nn's fountain

during drastic `food` and food shortages organisms suppress
reproductive processes and enhance processes that protect against stress.
these routines incidentally slow aging thus increasing the likelihood
of reproduction when `food` and food supplies are adequate.

redKapsules [TM (but not in hell)] target the insulin|igf pathway
and modulate cell nutrients ... and so it has been that nn could resist 
all gentle + not so gentle rose modulations and stream via pop3 endlessly
to the delight of occident moda.rat.ors w o r l d w i d e

and maintain that v.lovely + optimized anger\hunger level ... characteristic of starved animals.
miiiiiiiaaaaau !!!!!


so yes - nn is 75 [or thereabout] but not so ugly
and as per usual some 01 was quite correct.


jetzt - since nn has demonstrated in a delightful manner the efficacy of redKapsules [TM]  
nn will share ...

fully symmetrik $mile

&#8222;... after all - who will say no to the fountain of elongated youth ... a +?



NN - simply.SUPERIOR











r!!!!!!!!!!ng

uho ztandz beh!nd dze kurta!n +?


u!!!!!!!!!ntr












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&gt;&gt; alors \\ apropos nn + nn's fountain
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;very nice post nn --
&gt;nice to have you back   )

detangld dze lazt 2x heute tzo .... v.n!sz + l!beratd
2 hell u!th be!ng good. 2 hell u!th lv. rozez arnt dzat lvl!.



&gt;   )

spasz

bkz ! kan aford !t
+ uen ! kant !.ll leave  

bkz !.ll nvr kneel 2 an!dz!ng 
!nkluz!v lv

- he kl!mbz !n 2 01 apr!kot tree + !z about 2 p!k zom v.r!pe 1nz ... uen he hearz 01 vo!sz
\\\ b ! t e

                freedom !z &gt; !mportnt dzn lv









z!karel!

&gt;Unsolicited advice:

! uear adv!zez l!ke kompaz!onat zm!lez


&gt;There is simply too much computer programming to do to think
&gt;that one can do it all. If one cannot do it all, one either
&gt;ends up a frustrated competitor, or one realizes the value
&gt;of cooperation. Ten or fifteen years ago, I wrote some programs that I
&gt;thought people should use instead of some other programs.
&gt;This didn't happen. I got rather angry. I decided people
&gt;were stupid. At some point I   realized 

                                YOU SUCK

     
&gt;it didn't matter whether
&gt;people were stupid or not. I was never going to be so powerful
&gt;that I could control how people thought about music. 

music = like nn. worlds within worlds. 
+ one returns home never by the same path [unless one is modern + konsumes tekkno which seldomly leaves the benadryld tonik

tekkno = b!o.sex sans m9ndfukc




&gt;Everyone

WHO IS THIS

WHO IS THIS

WHO IS THIS

             WHO IS THIS



&gt;thought differently. This was a good thing, it meant that
&gt;if one were serious, one could never stop learning about
&gt;music, people, and how they function together. I just try to find
&gt;ways to form connections with other people, maybe a few people
&gt;will do something cool as a result. 

tzo u kan zteal !t and \ or zel !t - 1x g!ft 4 ur lv \ fam!l!
! knou dze 4mula - she u!zprd !n k!nd.  u r both ueak



&gt;Locality interests me.

SUCK IT + SEE



&gt;Global control, this is for competitors to grasp for and die
&gt;at age 25/30/35/40, grasping for breath. 

adm!rabl kompard 2 ur unzan!tar! leech!ng ekz!ztenza rezembl!ng 01 uelfare z!ztm




&gt;I'd like to live to see
&gt;my kids grow up, and seeing as they seem to like me, 

                                ltr dze! u!l hav a cho!sz   [4 nou u kontrol dze env!ronmnt kr!ket.
                                                             rekal u ztatd nn = l!ke ur ch!ldrn

                                                             ! choze ... 






&gt;I'd like
&gt;them to like someone who isn't a competitive asshole.

and\or 1x 2 b!t th!ever! !nk zta!n \ zupermarket klerk 4 odrz pakaged dreamz





&gt;David Z.
 

!n a zensz ! rel! do hope u u!n kr!ket.
!f u loze ... lv lozez 

m glad u lokatd zomdz!ng 2 lv 
although u r a hatefl kouard \ lozer az uel - u lv 2 loze ur zelv

had felt ! lokatd zom `dz!ng` 2 lv. !t uaz 1x error. truth = korektd error





&gt;Global control, this is for competitors to grasp for and die
&gt;at age 25/30/35/40, grasping for breath.


! !nzert &gt; ko!nz aga!nzt u \ lv
bkz ! uaz made d!sz ua! ... unt!l dze lazt ko!n bounzez !n 1x fore!gn zlot




&gt;competitive asshole.

hand shake                                         -&gt; REZPEKT











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Paul D. Miller inside

&gt;It seems pretty clear, but hey, this is Nettime 


Paul, much as our selves, it is clear - where we are there is no here.

Nettime is 40+ year old white Americans mothering your white diapers sanitary.
bathing you in amniotic fluid. nourishing your climax.

ie. I am not unknown to you. 

                                I need 2 say. YOU.
                                Nor do I wish to say. TRUST.
                                        4 I know that this is LANGUAGE
                                with which we recognized + greeted one other ...



&gt;fuck off.

I forgot my handkerchief...




NOW ... let us master pain + concentrate enchanting circles into exceptional stories within stories


&gt;If you have more of an idea of the notion of 
&gt;how pop culture works, 

The reversed process of pushing + popping your stack
eg.



&gt;Port:status&gt;OPEN
&gt;wildstyle access:


Every thought recalls a capsized smile









&gt;It always amazes 

Let me ask you ... 



&gt;me how we 

Consciousness enjoys condiments. Do you





&gt;think of it as a hybrid of what Marcel Duchamp 
&gt;was working on with the "Rrose C'est La Vie" persona, or Andy Warhol. 
&gt;Just metaphors, but metaphors that work in a large scale global 
&gt;environment. 


Euripides explained 25oo years prior to your brain that owing to dopamine+ brains need sex -
in particular 2x human brains  [paradoxes creep in




&gt;encode culture with so many layers of 
&gt;meaning... 

Emotion is independent of outward behaviour and vice versa.
Emotions contain ideas. Outward behaviour does not.
Ultimately a snake slithers across your path and you [have 222] lose your mind
[pleasurable circumstances -&gt; 0 thoughts]

Consciousness is the building block of private property.




&gt;meaning... 

NOW is the logikal konklusion of western capitalism.
Everything has been said provided pleasure does not change its meaning
and meaning its bodies.




&gt;this article brings home a point I think is really strong

As your personal holistic sediment of self




&gt;-  how we can think of a kind of "intuitive" mathematics - 

Let me climb into your body




&gt;steganography writ large, so to speak, like William Gibson's new 
&gt;novel "Pattern Recognition" (his best book in years....). Like 
&gt;"Bigend" (marauding venture capitalist turned advertising guru in the 
&gt;novel - Gibson understands ADVERTISING as a kind of Situationist 
&gt;detournement - unlike so many people on the old "left" - here's a 
&gt;blurb from his spiel on why advertising is the global vernacular for 
&gt;this kind of "coded language" - if only the "old left" could get how 
&gt;things change... funny how people you would expect to be
&gt;
&gt;1) alot smarter
&gt;
&gt;2) alot more dynamic


Extensive experience can impede creativity.
Cognitive psychologists utilize two terms to describe it: fixation and structured imagination. 
Fixation, oftenly referred to as "mental rut"--is characterized by the inability 
to switch from an inappropriate solution approach to a more productive one or to utilize
familiar objects in an unfamiliar way.

Structured imagination is the common tendency not to deviate from what is already known. [eg. the self


Humans are unable to share that which they know until they can put it into
high level symbolic form.  More importantly humans are very poor at updating 
what they know because they have no efficient delete key.
 







&gt;seem like ossified Redwood trees in this day and age where 
&gt;detournement has become the global carnival of NOW. 


The blind + unquestioning devotion lifed by Nazi rallies \1930's\ + Kommunist parades represents emotion 
ignited by the triumph of the moment. It was pure emotion unleashed + permitted to swirl freely ... 

The type of emotion experienced during an orgasm. at a rave. a crime of passion. dropping urban condiments [crystals]
and vice versa ... emotion untempered by personal memories. meaning and most importantly - the self
ie. loss of individuality is highly pleasurable



Testosterone + dopamine levels in humans are highest [2 l!f konsc!ouznesz or frktr !t]
hence ... after the electrical blip acts as a trigger use your personal m9nd

Hold mY hand 
Begin compression and decompression

Memory records and memory traces. Nature hears nurture's voice in the movements of particles
through membrane channels - painfully, extended.

As the human brain evolves into a more extravagant + more expe\ansive brain
the shift from dependence on NATURE to dependence on NURTURE becomes
more pronounced ...

NURTURE - Individuality
NATURE  - End Individuality 


ko mplex zm Yle


\\ language end reason - begin pleasure






&gt;You ain't in 
&gt;Kansas (or perhaps Belgrade) 


                    Paul - if you visit Balkan I will ask you to dance ... 
                    to the joy of man's desire  [memory links come from experience - meaningful - 









&gt;anymore... 

Adolf proclaimed dancing effeminate. Subsequently Germany dropped `science` + science and danced \+ globally\
Fists are feminine !! 


                                                    [Americans are just more pitifully costumed ... + portly




&gt;hip-hop 

Synchronized clapping [is pleasurable                                                                !!!!


                                                                                                     as is
                                                                                                     Synchronized
                                                                                                     bovine chewing




&gt;has absorbed this 
&gt;kind of "droppin' science" 

Artificial Intellegence follows this line of research.

We can model intelligence / learning. No one has modeled sentiments.
Beyond intelligence lies understanding and consciousness.

One mustn't confuse a mind that understands and that is
dependent on consciousness with consciousness itself. 

Outward responses that simply represent 
these sentiments do not equate consciousness. 




&gt;so many layers of 
&gt;meaning... 


There once was a painter--a brilliant painter,
who mastered the art of replication and the depiction of the beautiful. 
Yet he was lonely, he felt that there was no one alive who 
could understand him, no one capable of perceiving his entire being. 

One morning he wept in his garden, crying to god to send
him someone who might comprehend his full beauty. 
That day, he painted a new canvas, a portrait of an unknown and 
stunningly beautiful woman. When he had finished, he cried to god 
to give her sentience, as this most wondrous painting could be the 
only being in the world who might understand him. To his amazement, the
woman in the painting began to move.


"Hello! Hello!" he cried to her.

"Where are you?" she replied.

"Here, beside you!"    

The woman in the painting looked around her.

"Are you up, or down? Across?" she asked.

"No, No", the painter implored, "I am...I am...out!"

"Out? What is _out_?" she replied.

"Out! Out here!"

The woman did not understand him. 
She only knew two dimensions--vertical and horizontal. Her world was that of the flat canvas.
The painter ran out to his garden and threw himself onto the ground.

"God, oh god!" he wept. "Where are you?"

"Out." came the reply.








&gt;and made it - foregrounded, detached from 
&gt;the cipha-codes that people use in everyday culture...
&gt;here's a blurb from Gibson's book that matches the article below on 
&gt;Ethomathematics:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;"of course" he says, "we have no idea, now, of who or what the 
&gt;inhabitants of our future might be. In that sense, we have no future. 
&gt;Not in the sense that our grandparents had a future, or thought they 
&gt;did. Fully imagined cultural futures were the luxury of another day, 
&gt;one in which 'now' was of some greater duration. For us, of course, 
&gt;things can change so abruptly, so violently, so profoundly, that 
&gt;futures like our grandparents' have no sufficient 'now' to stand on. 
&gt;We have no future because our present is too volatile." He smiles, a 
&gt;version of Tom Cruise with too many teeth, and longer, but still very 
&gt;white. "We have only risk management. The spinning of the given 
&gt;moment's scenarios. Pattern recognition."
&gt;p. 57



The principal input to the human brain is pictures and the principal output is words.
Thus one may describe the human brain as a device for converting pictures to words.
Aristotle has said that all human knowledge can be expressed in the form a = b.
Nouns and verbs are separated from static image nouns. Separated in the retina 
they are reunited in speech. Nearly all human thought is pattern recognition.
there are four types.
   1 dimensional - music
   2 dimensional - fine art
   3 dimensional - human anatomy
   4 dimensional - physiology

One general theory of pattern recognition is feasible - the sieve of Eratosthenes.
Two aren't plausible.


         When humans think seriously they think abstractly.
         They conjure up simplified pictures of reality called concepts
         theories. models. paradigms.  







&gt;Paul

More importantly humans are very poor at updating 
what they know because they have no efficient delete Paul key.







&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/


        X-ray imaging eliminates the difference between inside + outside








&gt;pattern recogntion
&gt;, uncut funk - the new streets have spoken - and 
&gt;its in code.... 


\\ pattern recogntion 

Americans are citizens of a country without a name - ie. they are nameless nobodies.
Black Americans are the vastest mass of nobodies in a Nameless country in North America.

Hope lies in the Proletariat







&gt;Bakhtin meets Grand Master Flash 
&gt;meets Linus Torvalds...dig? 
 

The trademark of the 20th century emerged in Bern when a 26 year old clerk
realized a rezult he had overlooked in his publication on space + time
e = mc^2








&gt;dig the cipha, check the flow.

Discourse on voluntary servitude
You are not cheerful. But ... happiness and freedom are seldom cheerful




&gt;pax,

Peace. Order. Security. Nameless  \\ in North America






&gt;Paul D. Miller. 

Nameless [brand





&gt;WHAT are you talking about???

You win. because I am smiling







&gt;fuck off.

u!zpr !t aga!n ____... z l o u l !
ue kan nvr knou uat a thought !z about




















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apres J-D marston dancing with Paul D. Miller distracting their selves
 
&gt;But to me, that is just 'mad boring'. Its the surface. The spectacle. The depthless sheen of
&gt;unreality. Kinda like your comments. The real language is in finance and
&gt;economics, not hidden in the models bra. 


as Nettime Americans are well aware finance and economics follow the model's bra - 
at ANY price. [the economy is driven by women + the very young ... paradoxes creep in

                                                                   \ 2 keep your prefrontal cortex 
                                                                     in your fore head



It is this which marks the future - 


DJ.Nameless

&gt;fuck off.


I forgot my handkerchief. Do lend me yours.



http://www.membank.org/dataset/n/zizek.o.mp3

NOW is the logikal konklusion of western capitalism.
M9NDFUKC occurs in the brain stem.


Everything has been said - LETZ B!OZKULPT !!!




NN - hypothesis ov modesty + pious open seaz












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                                                I LIED&gt; 
                        I LIED. I AM THE SMALLEST FULLERENE.

                        i am a sphere with 12 pentagons distributed across my surface.
                        which are you +?




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&gt;&#160;I've known of antiorp for many years (she used to 
&gt;infect some lists I was on at the time, circa &#338;94-96), 

nn.z shar!ng kop!ouz laughtr ovr u guezd !t - telefon
about dze forthkom!ng dekade an!verzar!

4uard momvnt ov un!td human!t!

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<content>&gt; 
&gt; 1) what is it?
&gt; 2) why is it art?
&gt; 3) is programming art?
&gt; 4) why are you doing that?
&gt; 5) who is paying for such a s**t ?
&gt; 6) do you make a lot of money with your art?
&gt; 7) are you famous?
&gt; 8) what are you talking about?
&gt; 9) are you a hacker ? (read: are you a criminal/ terrorist?)
&gt; 10) have you ever had sex?


pfa - sex. du = knou veri verdi + well - new media artists have interactive massively participative + collaborative sex
whilst state of the budget sensors + electrodes embelish every feasible government financed orifice ... 
male.prostitution is the future [tm]





NN - I have wings. Every angel is terrifying. 



                velvet touch. if it compliments yours - please keep it.


                        you are very intelligent.

                        do you think i am deceiving you +?


                                when you're not with me i begin to hate you.



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