(aka. antiorp, integer, =cw4t7abs, f1f0, 17.hzV.tRL.478, 0f0003) 0.0 <nettime> Re: Concerned about terrorism in Kosovo rvdbri nettime-l@desk.nl Tue, 03 Mar 1998 22:22:44 +0100 May be Andrej should take a look at: http://www.koha.net/ARTA/drenica.htm to see and read some other facts about what he is easely calling terrorism. Killing pregnant women, and in this way, is barbarism. Richard van den Brink =20 Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 01:26:02 +0100 From: ANDREJ TISMA <aart {AT} EUnet.yu> Subject: Re: Concerned about terrorism in Kosovo X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Diso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit OK Richard van den Brink, I've seen and read the report by Albanian secessionist magazine (all articles unsigned) which You have recommended to me. Well, first those photos. What do You think that Serbian four policemen who were killed by Kosova Liberation Army looked less massacred than these Albanians on photos? Also these "innocent unarmed civilians" are now presented as members of particular families, but when they go out armed with machine guns and even grenade launchers, in uniforms, with covered faces, than they call themselves Kosova Liberation Army. Why did they find shelter in their family's homes, causing civilian victims, You should ask those brave men. Finally, how can I believe to those reports You are recommending, when there is "Government of Republic of Kosova" mentioned there, "Republic" which does not exist, maybe in separatists' dreams! Currently on the map there is only Republic of Serbia, of which Kosova is only a province. What do You think, if this police attack on "unarmed Albanian civilians" lasted entire two days, isn't that strange that only 16 victims on Albanian side are resulted. In two days policemen could kill at least 2000 unarmed civilians. Also even Albanian reports say there were heavy two days fightings. With whom? With unarmed civilians? Don't be kidding. Please, read carefully these quotations from Albanian separatist sources: >This could be considered as KLA's > operation to "demonstrate force" in order to boost the will of Kosova >Albanians and force the Serbs to act. >Courageous tactic, militarily shrewd, since whatever the Serbs do, they cannot >win. >It was also said that the majority of the patients brought to the hospital were Serb >policemen, who have > run into resistance of the local population, but also, as it is stated, of the KLA >forces, in Drenic=EB. Who were policemen victims of? Unarmed innocent civilians?? Don't be, or play naive. Terrorism has to be destroyed. There should be no sentimentality. What did United States do in Los Angeles, when 500 black people were massacred in one day by the Federal police? And what happened in Mexico to the separatist army? So be serious and don't support terrorism anywhere in the world. Andrej --- # distributed via nettime-l : no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a closed moderated mailinglist for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo {AT} icf.de and "info nettime" in the msg body # URL: http://www.desk.nl/~nettime/ contact: nettime-owner {AT} icf.de 0.1 <nettime> Re: Concerned about terrorism in Kosovo Aleksandar & Branka Davic nettime-l@desk.nl Wed, 04 Mar 1998 10:03:32 +0100 Subject: <nettime> Concerned about terrorism in Kosovo Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 21:10:49 +0100 From: ANDREJ TISMA <aart {AT} EUnet.yu> To: Nettime <nettime-l {AT} Desk.nl> dear andrej, please, please stop talk in name of all people who live in serbia! use I instead of WE, because certanly not all people here think as you do. and if you want to play slobodan milosevic`s "loud speaker" it is your choice, and you have right to think it that way as i have right to have my personal oppinion, but then in your txt you can not use WE. have you been personaly at kosovo, saw demonstrations with your own eyes???? i was not there and can not be so sure that all reports on serbian TV are the only truth, there are two sides in conflict, as far as i know, and both of those sides have some vision of the conflict. everything you wrote looks like typical SM propaganda, (in both meanings, slobodan milosevic`s and sado/mazo), with "one side" story. the only certan truth is that no one of us, you and me, know what realy is the truth. shouldn`t we be more concerned about all human lifes lost in kosovo in last decade in the first place, not last few months or weeks. i saw your nice letter to american president. when finaly you will write to yugoslav president?! don`t you really have nothing to say him?! when over 20 lifes have been lost in one weekend, i think it is not possible to separate them on "good" and "bad" dead people. they all were human beings, and they are dead now, among them some under age, lot of them parents, on both sides. that`s what worries me all the time, and i see no way out of this mase without dialogue.i doubt very much that any solution will be found with guns, on the both sides. so, please calm down and think twice; it is well known for a loooong time that in this country the best keeped truth is the truth itself. branka milicic-davic PS- should i remind you on the fact that we live in the very same town, where more than 20 nations live together, and some of our neighbours are albanians, as well as jews, hungarians, romanian, slowaks, roma, croats, russians, bulgarians.. . i wonder what they would have to say to your letter... --- # distributed via nettime-l : no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a closed moderated mailinglist for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo {AT} icf.de and "info nettime" in the msg body # URL: http://www.desk.nl/~nettime/ contact: nettime-owner {AT} icf.de 0.2 Re: <nettime> Re: Concerned about terrorism in Kosovo rvdbri nettime-l@desk.nl Wed, 04 Mar 1998 10:45:33 +0100 Aart wrote: >OK Richard van den Brink, > >I've seen and read the report by Albanian secessionist magazine (all >articles unsigned) which You have recommended to me. >Well, first those photos. What do You think that Serbian four policemen >who were killed by Kosova Liberation Army looked less massacred than >these Albanians on photos? No reason trying to outbid with other pictures or facts. What is disquieting me is that the nettime list is used for an outspoken political point of (Servian) view on the conflict in Kosovo. For me it's ok that this kind of opinions are existing, but I don't need to read those on a list as nettime. In the same way I wouldn't propagandize to read information on certain sites I was recommending as a kind of counter balance. It would be possible to start a discussion about the Kosovo conflict here, but I don't think its the propper place. Therefore I suggest - if I am right - to modorate the list in a better way. 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Std Mnemonic Hex Value Description Addressing Mode Bytes/Tim= e * BRK $00 Stack <- PC, PC <- ($fffe) (Immediate) 1/7 * ORA $01 A <- (A) V M (Ind,X) 6/2 JAM $02 [locks up machine] (Implied) 1/- SLO $03 M <- (M >> 1) + A + C (Ind,X) 2/8 NOP $04 [no operation] (Z-Page) 2/3 * ORA $05 A <- (A) V M (Z-Page) 2/3 * ASL $06 C <- A7, A <- (A) << 1 (Z-Page) 2/5 SLO $07 M <- (M >> 1) + A + C (Z-Page) 2/5 * PHP $08 Stack <- (P) (Implied) 1/3 * ORA $09 A <- (A) V M (Immediate) 2/2 * ASL $0A C <- A7, A <- (A) << 1 (Accumalator) 1/2 ANC $0B A <- A /\ M, C=3D~A7 (Immediate) 1/2 NOP $0C [no operation] (Absolute) 3/4 * ORA $0D A <- (A) V M (Absolute) 3/4 * ASL $0E C <- A7, A <- (A) << 1 (Absolute) 3/6 SLO $0F M <- (M >> 1) + A + C (Absolute) 3/6 * BPL $10 if N=3D0, PC =3D PC + offset (Relative) 2/2'2 * ORA $11 A <- (A) V M ((Ind),Y) 2/5'1 JAM $12 [locks up machine] (Implied) 1/- SLO $13 M <- (M >. 1) + A + C ((Ind),Y) 2/8'5 NOP $14 [no operation] (Z-Page,X) 2/4 * ORA $15 A <- (A) V M (Z-Page,X) 2/4 * ASL $16 C <- A7, A <- (A) << 1 (Z-Page,X) 2/6 SLO $17 M <- (M >> 1) + A + C (Z-Page,X) 2/6 * CLC $18 C <- 0 (Implied) 1/2 * ORA $19 A <- (A) V M (Absolute,Y) 3/4'1 NOP $1A [no operation] (Implied) 1/2 SLO $1B M <- (M >> 1) + A + C (Absolute,Y) 3/7 NOP $1C [no operation] (Absolute,X) 2/4'1 * ORA $1D A <- (A) V M (Absolute,X) 3/4'1 * ASL $1E C <- A7, A <- (A) << 1 (Absolute,X) 3/7 SLO $1F M <- (M >> 1) + A + C (Absolute,X) 3/7 * JSR $20 Stack <- PC, PC <- Address (Absolute) 3/6 * AND $21 A <- (A) /\ M (Ind,X) 2/6 JAM $22 [locks up machine] (Implied) 1/- RLA $23 M <- (M << 1) /\ (A) (Ind,X) 2/8 * BIT $24 Z <- ~(A /\ M) N<-M7 V<-M6 (Z-Page) 2/3 * AND $25 A <- (A) /\ M (Z-Page) 2/3 * ROL $26 C <- A7 & A <- A << 1 + C (Z-Page) 2/5 RLA $27 M <- (M << 1) /\ (A) (Z-Page) 2/5'5 * PLP $28 A <- (Stack) (Implied) 1/4 * AND $29 A <- (A) /\ M (Immediate) 2/2 * ROL $2A C <- A7 & A <- A << 1 + C (Accumalator) 1/2 ANC $2B A <- A /\ M, C <- ~A7 (Immediate9 1/2 * BIT $2C Z <- ~(A /\ M) N<-M7 V<-M6 (Absolute) 3/4 * AND $2D A <- (A) /\ M (Absolute) 3/4 * ROL $2E C <- A7 & A <- A << 1 + C (Absolute) 3/6 RLA $2F M <- (M << 1) /\ (A) (Absolute) 3/6'5 * BMI $30 if N=3D1, PC =3D PC + offset (Relative) 2/2'2 * AND $31 A <- (A) /\ M ((Ind),Y) 2/5'1 JAM $32 [locks up machine] (Implied) 1/- RLA $33 M <- (M << 1) /\ (A) ((Ind),Y) 2/8'5 NOP $34 [no operation] (Z-Page,X) 2/4 * AND $35 A <- (A) /\ M (Z-Page,X) 2/4 * ROL $36 C <- A7 & A <- A << 1 + C (Z-Page,X) 2/6 RLA $37 M <- (M << 1) /\ (A) (Z-Page,X) 2/6'5 * SEC $38 C <- 1 (Implied) 1/2 * AND $39 A <- (A) /\ M (Absolute,Y) 3/4'1 NOP $3A [no operation] (Implied) 1/2 RLA $3B M <- (M << 1) /\ (A) (Absolute,Y) 3/7'5 NOP $3C [no operation] (Absolute,X) 3/4'1 * AND $3D A <- (A) /\ M (Absolute,X) 3/4'1 * ROL $3E C <- A7 & A <- A << 1 + C (Absolute,X) 3/7 RLA $3F M <- (M << 1) /\ (A) (Absolute,X) 3/7'5 * RTI $40 P <- (Stack), PC <-(Stack) (Implied) 1/6 * EOR $41 A <- (A) \-/ M (Ind,X) 2/6 JAM $42 [locks up machine] (Implied) 1/- SRE $43 M <- (M >> 1) \-/ A (Ind,X) 2/8 NOP $44 [no operation] (Z-Page) 2/3 * EOR $45 A <- (A) \-/ M (Z-Page) 2/3 * LSR $46 C <- A0, A <- (A) >> 1 (Absolute,X) 3/7 SRE $47 M <- (M >> 1) \-/ A (Z-Page) 2/5 * PHA $48 Stack <- (A) (Implied) 1/3 * EOR $49 A <- (A) \-/ M (Immediate) 2/2 * LSR $4A C <- A0, A <- (A) >> 1 (Accumalator) 1/2 ASR $4B A <- [(A /\ M) >> 1] (Immediate) 1/2 * JMP $4C PC <- Address (Absolute) 3/3 * EOR $4D A <- (A) \-/ M (Absolute) 3/4 * LSR $4E C <- A0, A <- (A) >> 1 (Absolute) 3/6 SRE $4F M <- (M >> 1) \-/ A (Absolute) 3/6 * BVC $50 if V=3D0, PC =3D PC + offset (Relative) 2/2'2 * EOR $51 A <- (A) \-/ M ((Ind),Y) 2/5'1 JAM $52 [locks up machine] (Implied) 1/- SRE $53 M <- (M >> 1) \-/ A ((Ind),Y) 2/8 NOP $54 [no operation] (Z-Page,X) 2/4 * EOR $55 A <- (A) \-/ M (Z-Page,X) 2/4 * LSR $56 C <- A0, A <- (A) >> 1 (Z-Page,X) 2/6 SRE $57 M <- (M >> 1) \-/ A (Z-Page,X) 2/6 * CLI $58 I <- 0 (Implied) 1/2 * EOR $59 A <- (A) \-/ M (Absolute,Y) 3/4'1 NOP $5A [no operation] (Implied) 1/2 SRE $5B M <- (M >> 1) \-/ A (Absolute,Y) 3/7 NOP $5C [no operation] (Absolute,X) 3/4'1 * EOR $5D A <- (A) \-/ M (Absolute,X) 3/4'1 SRE $5F M <- (M >> 1) \-/ A (Absolute,X) 3/7 * RTS $60 PC <- (Stack) (Implied) 1/6 * ADC $61 A <- (A) + M + C (Ind,X) 2/6 JAM $62 [locks up machine] (Implied) 1/- RRA $63 M <- (M >> 1) + (A) + C (Ind,X) 2/8'5 NOP $64 [no operation] (Z-Page) 2/3 * ADC $65 A <- (A) + M + C (Z-Page) 2/3 * ROR $66 C<-A0 & A<- (A7=3DC + A>>1) (Z-Page) 2/5 RRA $67 M <- (M >> 1) + (A) + C (Z-Page) 2/5'5 * PLA $68 A <- (Stack) (Implied) 1/4 * ADC $69 A <- (A) + M + C (Immediate) 2/2 * ROR $6A C<-A0 & A<- (A7=3DC + A>>1) (Accumalator) 1/2 ARR $6B A <- [(A /\ M) >> 1] (Immediate) 1/2'5 * JMP $6C PC <- Address (Indirect) 3/5 * ADC $6D A <- (A) + M + C (Absolute) 3/4 * ROR $6E C<-A0 & A<- (A7=3DC + A>>1) (Absolute) 3/6 RRA $6F M <- (M >> 1) + (A) + C (Absolute) 3/6'5 * BVS $70 if V=3D1, PC =3D PC + offset (Relative) 2/2'2 * ADC $71 A <- (A) + M + C ((Ind),Y) 2/5'1 JAM $72 [locks up machine] (Implied) 1/- RRA $73 M <- (M >> 1) + (A) + C ((Ind),Y) 2/8'5 NOP $74 [no operation] (Z-Page,X) 2/4 * ADC $75 A <- (A) + M + C (Z-Page,X) 2/4 * ROR $76 C<-A0 & A<- (A7=3DC + A>>1) (Z-Page,X) 2/6 RRA $77 M <- (M >> 1) + (A) + C (Z-Page,X) 2/6'5 * SEI $78 I <- 1 (Implied) 1/2 * ADC $79 A <- (A) + M + C (Absolute,Y) 3/4'1 NOP $7A [no operation] (Implied) 1/2 RRA $7B M <- (M >> 1) + (A) + C (Absolute,Y) 3/7'5 NOP $7C [no operation] (Absolute,X) 3/4'1 * ADC $7D A <- (A) + M + C (Absolute,X) 3/4'1 * ROR $7E C<-A0 & A<- (A7=3DC + A>>1) (Absolute,X) 3/7 RRA $7F M <- (M >> 1) + (A) + C (Absolute,X) 3/7'5 NOP $80 [no operation] (Immediate) 2/2 * STA $81 M <- (A) (Ind,X) 2/6 NOP $82 [no operation] (Immediate) 2/2 SAX $83 M <- (A) /\ (X) (Ind,X) 2/6 * STY $84 M <- (Y) (Z-Page) 2/3 * STA $85 M <- (A) (Z-Page) 2/3 * STX $86 M <- (X) (Z-Page) 2/3 SAX $87 M <- (A) /\ (X) (Z-Page) 2/3 * DEY $88 Y <- (Y) - 1 (Implied) 1/2 NOP $89 [no operation] (Immediate) 2/2 * TXA $8A A <- (X) (Implied) 1/2 ANE $8B M <-[(A)\/$EE] /\ (X)/\(M) (Immediate) 2/2^4 * STY $8C M <- (Y) (Absolute) 3/4 * STA $8D M <- (A) (Absolute) 3/4 * STX $8E M <- (X) (Absolute) 3/4 SAX $8F M <- (A) /\ (X) (Absolute) 3/4 * BCC $90 if C=3D0, PC =3D PC + offset (Relative) 2/2'2 * STA $91 M <- (A) ((Ind),Y) 2/6 JAM $92 [locks up machine] (Implied) 1/- SHA $93 M <- (A) /\ (X) /\ (PCH+1) (Absolute,X) 3/6'3 * STY $94 M <- (Y) (Z-Page,X) 2/4 * STA $95 M <- (A) (Z-Page,X) 2/4 SAX $97 M <- (A) /\ (X) (Z-Page,Y) 2/4 * STX $96 M <- (X) (Z-Page,Y) 2/4 * TYA $98 A <- (Y) (Implied) 1/2 * STA $99 M <- (A) (Absolute,Y) 3/5 * TXS $9A S <- (X) (Implied) 1/2 SHS $9B X <- (A) /\ (X), S <- (X) (Absolute,Y) 3/5 M <- (X) /\ (PCH+1) SHY $9C M <- (Y) /\ (PCH+1) (Absolute,Y) 3/5'3 * STA $9D M <- (A) (Absolute,X) 3/5 SHX $9E M <- (X) /\ (PCH+1) (Absolute,X) 3/5'3 SHA $9F M <- (A) /\ (X) /\ (PCH+1) (Absolute,Y) 3/5'3 * LDY $A0 Y <- M (Immediate) 2/2 * LDA $A1 A <- M (Ind,X) 2/6 * LDX $A2 X <- M (Immediate) 2/2 LAX $A3 A <- M, X <- M (Ind,X) 2/6 * LDY $A4 Y <- M (Z-Page) 2/3 * LDA $A5 A <- M (Z-Page) 2/3 * LDX $A6 X <- M (Z-Page) 2/3 LAX $A7 A <- M, X <- M (Z-Page) 2/3 * TAY $A8 Y <- (A) (Implied) 1/2 * LDA $A9 A <- M (Immediate) 2/2 * TAX $AA X <- (A) (Implied) 1/2 LXA $AB X04 <- (X04) /\ M04 (Immediate) 1/2 A04 <- (A04) /\ M04 * LDY $AC Y <- M (Absolute) 3/4 * LDA $AD A <- M (Absolute) 3/4 * LDX $AE X <- M (Absolute) 3/4 LAX $AF A <- M, X <- M (Absolute) 3/4 * BCS $B0 if C=3D1, PC =3D PC + offset (Relative) 2/2'2 * LDA $B1 A <- M ((Ind),Y) 2/5'1 JAM $B2 [locks up machine] (Implied) 1/- LAX $B3 A <- M, X <- M ((Ind),Y) 2/5'1 * LDY $B4 Y <- M (Z-Page,X) 2/4 * LDA $B5 A <- M (Z-Page,X) 2/4 * LDX $B6 X <- M (Z-Page,Y) 2/4 LAX $B7 A <- M, X <- M (Z-Page,Y) 2/4 * CLV $B8 V <- 0 (Implied) 1/2 * LDA $B9 A <- M (Absolute,Y) 3/4'1 * TSX $BA X <- (S) (Implied) 1/2 LAE $BB X,S,A <- (S /\ M) (Absolute,Y) 3/4'1 * LDY $BC Y <- M (Absolute,X) 3/4'1 * LDA $BD A <- M (Absolute,X) 3/4'1 * LDX $BE X <- M (Absolute,Y) 3/4'1 LAX $BF A <- M, X <- M (Absolute,Y) 3/4'1 * CPY $C0 (Y - M) -> NZC (Immediate) 2/2 * CMP $C1 (A - M) -> NZC (Ind,X) 2/6 NOP $C2 [no operation] (Immediate) 2/2 DCP $C3 M <- (M)-1, (A-M) -> NZC (Ind,X) 2/8 * CPY $C4 (Y - M) -> NZC (Z-Page) 2/3 * CMP $C5 (A - M) -> NZC (Z-Page) 2/3 * DEC $C6 M <- (M) - 1 (Z-Page) 2/5 DCP $C7 M <- (M)-1, (A-M) -> NZC (Z-Page) 2/5 * INY $C8 Y <- (Y) + 1 (Implied) 1/2 * CMP $C9 (A - M) -> NZC (Immediate) 2/2 * DEX $CA X <- (X) - 1 (Implied) 1/2 SBX $CB X <- (X)/\(A) - M (Immediate) 2/2 * CPY $CC (Y - M) -> NZC (Absolute) 3/4 * CMP $CD (A - M) -> NZC (Absolute) 3/4 * DEC $CE M <- (M) - 1 (Absolute) 3/6 DCP $CF M <- (M)-1, (A-M) -> NZC (Absolute) 3/6 * BNE $D0 if Z=3D0, PC =3D PC + offset (Relative) 2/2'2 * CMP $D1 (A - M) -> NZC ((Ind),Y) 2/5'1 JAM $D2 [locks up machine] (Implied) 1/- DCP $D3 M <- (M)-1, (A-M) -> NZC ((Ind),Y) 2/8 NOP $D4 [no operation] (Z-Page,X) 2/4 * CMP $D5 (A - M) -> NZC (Z-Page,X) 2/4 * DEC $D6 M <- (M) - 1 (Z-Page,X) 2/6 DCP $D7 M <- (M)-1, (A-M) -> NZC (Z-Page,X) 2/6 * CLD $D8 D <- 0 (Implied) 1/2 * CMP $D9 (A - M) -> NZC (Absolute,Y) 3/4'1 NOP $DA [no operation] (Implied) 1/2 DCP $DB M <- (M)-1, (A-M) -> NZC (Absolute,Y) 3/7 NOP $DC [no operation] (Absolute,X) 3/4'1 * CMP $DD (A - M) -> NZC (Absolute,X) 3/4'1 * DEC $DE M <- (M) - 1 (Absolute,X) 3/7 DCP $DF M <- (M)-1, (A-M) -> NZC (Absolute,X) 3/7 * CPX $E0 (X - M) -> NZC (Immediate) 2/2 * SBC $E1 A <- (A) - M - ~C (Ind,X) 2/6 NOP $E2 [no operation] (Immediate) 2/2 ISB $E3 M <- (M) - 1,A <- (A)-M-~C (Ind,X) 3/8'1 * CPX $E4 (X - M) -> NZC (Z-Page) 2/3 * SBC $E5 A <- (A) - M - ~C (Z-Page) 2/3 * INC $E6 M <- (M) + 1 (Z-Page) 2/5 ISB $E7 M <- (M) - 1,A <- (A)-M-~C (Z-Page) 2/5 * INX $E8 X <- (X) +1 (Implied) 1/2 * SBC $E9 A <- (A) - M - ~C (Immediate) 2/2 * NOP $EA [no operation] (Implied) 1/2 SBC $EB A <- (A) - M - ~C (Immediate) 1/2 * SBC $ED A <- (A) - M - ~C (Absolute) 3/4 * CPX $EC (X - M) -> NZC (Absolute) 3/4 * INC $EE M <- (M) + 1 (Absolute) 3/6 ISB $EF M <- (M) - 1,A <- (A)-M-~C (Absolute) 3/6 * BEQ $F0 if Z=3D1, PC =3D PC + offset (Relative) 2/2'2 * SBC $F1 A <- (A) - M - ~C ((Ind),Y) 2/5'1 JAM $F2 [locks up machine] (Implied) 1/- ISB $F3 M <- (M) - 1,A <- (A)-M-~C ((Ind),Y) 2/8 NOP $F4 [no operation] (Z-Page,X) 2/4 * SBC $F5 A <- (A) - M - ~C (Z-Page,X) 2/4 * INC $F6 M <- (M) + 1 (Z-Page,X) 2/6 ISB $F7 M <- (M) - 1,A <- (A)-M-~C (Z-Page,X) 2/6 * SED $F8 D <- 1 (Implied) 1/2 * SBC $F9 A <- (A) - M - ~C (Absolute,Y) 3/4'1 NOP $FA [no operation] (Implied) 1/2 ISB $FB M <- (M) - 1,A <- (A)-M-~C (Absolute,Y) 3/7 NOP $FC [no operation] (Absolute,X) 3/4'1 * SBC $FD A <- (A) - M - ~C (Absolute,X) 3/4'1 * INC $FE M <- (M) + 1 (Absolute,X) 3/7 ISB $FF M <- (M) - 1,A <- (A)-M-~C (Absolute,X) 3/7 |=7F=7F| |=7F=7F=3D=3D=7F=7F| v ! R u s |=7F=7F| p u N K t [p-un_kT-pr_o-T=96k_oL] =D8 f =D8 =D8 =D8 3 herausgegeben v=F8m !nternat!onalen !nst!tut f:ur ordnung |+| d!sz!pl!n hTTp://www.tezcat.com/~antiorp 3----------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 07:45:14 -0600 To: nettime-l {AT} Desk.nl From: antiorp {AT} tezcat.com (=cw4t7abs) Subject: re: lease . b 1 2 5 7 + 1 2 | v. 0+2 ----------------------- : b 1 2 5 7 + 1 2 | ----------------------- -_ ....realtime hyp[er|er]active sound processing for the power macintosh. b1257+12 enables digital scrubbing on any power macintosh eliminating the need for third party dsp cards. it provides the first software based turntable-style scrub. scratch + granulation environment. b1257+12 allows one to experiment with sound via mousedrawing. cursor tracki= ng. macintosh keyboard. lfo.s. number generators. random processes midi _+ audio input. routing audio-in signals to control playback rate and direction _ placing a mic connected to a macintosh in an ambient environment or simply speaking into it can be utilized to provide continuously evolving sound textures. b 1 2 5 7 + 1 2 | v. 0+2 release inkorporatez : \\ additional realtime routines for ultra m9ndfukc++ ---------------- midi module : : ---------------- provides for full midi control of b1257+12 parameters. there are approx 45 parameters which may be controlled simultaneously via : - pitchbend - any controller number - midi note pitch - midi note velocity -------------------------____ 120 soundfile \ koll-age module : : ----------------------------- the 120 soundfile module moves b!257+!2 towards becoming a gallery \ installation \ performance piece [the original intent - an automated version of b!257+!2 should be available at one vienna gallery when complete] it allows one to load 120 sound files [automatically or manually] and alternate between them in real time - - via the variable rate number generator which allows for random + sequential change or - via midi control : including - pitchbend - any controller number - midi note pitch - midi note velocity ----------------------------- soundhack function module : : ----------------------------- this module permits the loading of soundhack generated functions - once loaded they can be utilized to control b1257+12. ----------------------------- amplitude shaping module : : ----------------------------- allows for amplitude shaping [sep for each channel] the envelopes may be set to loop + sync. + they may be altered \ edited in real time. - all processes can occur simultaneously + in parallel =3D=3D ultra kaot!k m9ndfukc rout!n. _____________________________ availability + inf=BA | propaganda __________________________--- http://www.god-emil.dk/=3Dcw4t7abs/0f0003/ztpd/lakk.shtml [kode section] or for a more exhilarating experience http://www.god-emil.dk/=3Dcw4t7abs/0f0003/ztpd/0009.html [java script required] ____++-_______________ 0f0003 maschinenkunst ___________________--_ 0f0003 maschinenkunst develops + publishes cutting edge multimedia. graphic.web. audio + video design. and interactive applications for the macintosh platform. in addition to b1257+12 0f0003 maschinenkunst publishes : [3kxpoL] _- clavia nordlead editor . librarian + chaotic patch generation application [rebirthzmak] _- propellerheads rebirth sample editor . editor . librarian + chaotic patch generation software [0f0003pRpG] _- incorporates realtime sound + gfx generation + random film playback. krop3rom||a9ff 0+2 . nord[0002] . in .symb!os!s . 8'|sine.x(2^n) . etc kontact information : 0f0003 maschinenkunst $1 $2, $3 denmark $4 tel: $5 fax: $6 web : http://www.god-emil.dk/=3Dcw4t7abs email [] antiorp {AT} tezcat.com a most important and serendipitous recent discovery is of a bona fide planetary system around an unlikely star - some 1300 light years away found by a most unexpected technique. the pulsar designated b1257+12 is a rapidly rotating neutron star. an unbelievably dense sun - the remnant of a massive star that suffered a supernova explosion. it spins at a rate measured to impressive precision - once every 0.00621185319388187 seconds =3D 10000 rpm. the energy put out by b1257+12 is 4.7 times that of the sun. =3Dcw4t7abs _\- 0f0003..mask!nenkunzt.m9ndfukc.98o. \+\ apres []> |=7F| |=7F|9|=7F| [p-un_kT-pr_o-T=96k_oL] =D8 f =D8 =D8 =D8 3 |=7F| herausgegeben v=F8m internat!onalen !nstitut f:ur ordnung |+| d!sz!pl!n hTTp://www.tezcat.com/~antiorp -\\_humanzsukc =D8 f =D8 =D8 =D8 3 dze d.l ov konsc!ousnesz. neuro-hak.erz vs nwo _||- le masculin et la fraktur symbol!que. la r!poste hysterique tezcat.com|~antiorp --- # distributed via nettime-l : no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a closed moderated mailinglist for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo {AT} desk.nl and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # URL: http://www.desk.nl/~nettime/ contact: nettime-owner {AT} desk.nl 8.0 Re: Syndicate: women's net art competition =cw4t7abs n/a Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:17:12 -0600 >[from RHIZOME] > >5. > >Date: 8.14.98 >From: Joseph Nechvatal (jnech@hotmail.com) >Subject: MAID IN CYBERSPACE--ENCORE! 1 zecz!zt name tag res!zt + pro.tezt dze !d!oss+e ov humanz 0f0003.m2zk!n3nkunzt.anti.human.krapmattr. 9.0 Syndicate: log.b00m . r3zk0m .log.b00m . r3zk0m .log.b00m . r3zk0m .log.b00m . r3zk0m .log.b00m . r3zk0m .log.b00m . r3zk0m .log.b00m . r3zk0m .log.b00m . r3zk0m .log.b00m . r3zk0m .log.b00m . r3zk0m .log.b00m . r3zk0m .log.b00m . r3zk0m .log.b00m . r3zk0m .log.b00m . r3zk0m .log.b00m . r3zk0m .log.b00m . r3zk0m . =cw4t7abs n/a Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:03:25 -0600 >X-From_: owner-synth-l@AMERICAN.EDU Tue Aug 18 16:09:07 1998 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) >Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:15:54 -0500 >Reply-To: "Electronic music \"gearhead\" list" <SYNTH-L@AMERICAN.EDU> >Sender: "Electronic music \"gearhead\" list" <SYNTH-L@AMERICAN.EDU> >From: "Rossi III, John CDR" <P00H3@BUPERS.NAVY.MIL> >Subject: He's back, I'm gone >To: SYNTH-L@AMERICAN.EDU > >Just so that the list is aware, I am again leaving the synth-l list. I can >not, and will not, deal with those absurd antiorp messages. If anybody >needs to get in touch, I will be at the bupers address for at least another >year. Good bye again. > >John 3 - the US.armed forces | anti.ana.log.b00m . r3zk0m . | X-From_: owner-synth-l@AMERICAN.EDU Tue Aug 18 21:31:55 1998 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:19:54 EDT Reply-To: "Electronic music \"gearhead\" list" <SYNTH-L@AMERICAN.EDU> Sender: "Electronic music \"gearhead\" list" <SYNTH-L@AMERICAN.EDU> From: Tristar77@AOL.COM Subject: Re: He's back, I'm gone Comments: To: P00H3@BUPERS.NAVY.MIL To: SYNTH-L@AMERICAN.EDU Why get upset at some retarded Juvinile -- U should have sympathy --- But i feel just like u John --- what an ass he must be -- Maybe ill leave too --- but lets u and me keep in touch X-From_: fmsci@email.msn.com Tue Aug 18 20:52:09 1998 From: "[.v/jek.]" <fmsci@email.msn.com> To: <antiorp@TEZCAT.COM> Subject: Re: Re: He's back, I'm gone Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:54:44 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 -----Original Message----- From: =cw4t7abs <antiorp@TEZCAT.COM> To: SYNTH-L@AMERICAN.EDU <SYNTH-L@AMERICAN.EDU> Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 6:26 PM Subject: Re: He's back, I'm gone >>Just so that the list is aware, I am again leaving the synth-l list. I can >>not, and will not, deal with those absurd antiorp messages. Your fucking beautiful ;)... I want to hear your trax... where can I locate a CD (label?...) ... do you press to vinyl? tata, o0o[qiB.]o0o louis and bebe barron would be proud ;).. X-From_: owner-EMUSIC-L@AMERICAN.EDU Tue Aug 18 20:15:16 1998 Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:08:42 -0400 From: "L-Soft list server at AMERICAN.EDU (1.8c)" <LISTSERV@AMERICAN.EDU> Subject: Change in your subscription options for the EMUSIC-L list To: antiorp@TEZCAT.COM Reply-To: EMUSIC-L-request@AMERICAN.EDU X-LSV-ListID: EMUSIC-L Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:08:42 mcmahon@CLARK.NET has just altered your subscription options for the EMUSIC-L list as per the "SET EMUSIC-L REVIEW" command. For more information about subscription options, send a "QUERY EMUSIC-L" command to LISTSERV@AMERICAN.EDU. 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Gift Cert. 0.00 Total 0.00 > > bach 4 u. > > > > 2-part !nvent!onz > > > > 2-part m9ndfukc take 1 !dea + spl!t !n2 12 partz + az!gn no.1 - 12 take severl ov ur fav. mathmatkl ekuat!onz + appl! strukturl kontent 2 ur ass!gnd ideaz. !nterpolate : 1 | 10 | 7 | 9 | 2 | 8 | 4 | 6 | 5 | 3 | 12 | 11 + retrograde 11 | 12 | 3 | 5 | 6 | 4 | 8 | 2 | 9 | 7 | 10 | 1 + retrograde !nvertd 2 | 1 | 10 | 8 | 7 | 9 | 5 | 11 | 4 | 6 | 3 | 12 + !nvertd retrograde 12 | 3 | 6 | 4 | 11 | 5 | 9 | 7 | 8 | 10 | 1 | 2 jetzt: appl! an+e ser!al theorom dzat w!ll rezult !n kaot!k- struktur !nvert + stretch 2 3.76 dze length. plass undrneath odr struktur + at 96.45% t!me.po!nt beg!n retrograde >|| >2s––n.mask!nvare.puNkt.prøtºtøl.988-0 >|| > >--------------------------------------------------------- > >A E C F O R U M - "F L E S H F A C T O R" > >(http://www.aec.at/fleshfactor/arch/) > >--------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >"All that is not information, not redundancy, not form and not restraints > >is noise, the only possible source of new patterns." > > > > - Bateson, Mind and Nature - A Necessary Unity, 1979 > > > > > >It seems to me that noise, *together with* information, redundancy, form, > >and restraints, is a better generator of new patterns than noise alone. > > > > eo d roa > r n ete > e i ham > tc M tr > lone. or ee" > , form, nu , gne > o n oen > o tgo > y, 1979 s * l > e ra > t ,e tpecnoc eht fI( > traints a ete ,stniartser dna > B sts em ot smees tI > iei > - obo > n n > a" > ns anything.) t o eht ,esion si > r of new patterns th asf on si taht llA" > with* information, hio > t > > and Nature - A Nece > > f new patterns." > dundancy, not form a > > > what happnz when > pre.konssept!¯n meeTz ver!f1kat!¯n. > > > >(If the concept of "noise alone" means anything.) > > > !t takex an !nfinite amounT ov pak.cag!ng.2.store noth!ng. > > > > o ur b od! > > ez ar e > n.t > !mp 0r t4 > > nt. > d k- ad. > > !zt null > > > > > > || > |==| > v ! R u s || p u N K t > > > > s y m m e t r +3 [k 0 r ; u p t -1 p n > > 10.0 Syndicate: | | | K0nsume M0re P0rk | | | K0nsume M0re P0rk | | | | | | K0nsume M0re P0rk | | | K0nsume M0re P0rk | | | | | | K0nsume M0re P0rk | | | K0nsume M0re P0rk | | | | | | K0nsume M0re P0rk | | | K0nsume M0re P0rk | | | =cw4t7abs n/a Wed, 19 Aug 1998 02:52:47 -0600 >X-From_: abroeck@v2.nl Wed Aug 19 02:04:39 1998 >X-Sender: mikro@pop3.vr.in-berlin.de >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:44:31 +0100 >To: antiorp@tezcat.com (=cw4t7abs) >From: Andreas Broeckmann <abroeck@v2.nl> >Subject: Re: Syndicate=cw4t7abs? > >hi, lo. >if you go on like this, commenting on everything in a way which for you is >normal but which is gibberish for most others you will force us to turn on >the moderation button and filter this stuff out. >cc's to syndicate AND >xchange AND nettime are always suspicious. AND gate - out:put = boolean produkt ov !nput mult!pl !nputz = perm!td 2 AND gatez. >xchange AND nettime are always suspicious. all d!g!tl pdeztr!anz = zusp!sc!ouz >: go 7-11. z 3 n z 0 r . ! v = w ! s h . k 0u l d ka re < > this list deserves a >fairer treatment than you are giving it. >-a >-a | | | K0nsume M0re P0rk | | | K0nsume M0re P0rk | | | | | | K0nsume M0re P0rk | | | K0nsume M0re P0rk | | | | | | K0nsume M0re P0rk | | | K0nsume M0re P0rk | | | | | | K0nsume M0re P0rk | | | K0nsume M0re P0rk | | | > > > > > > > > * * * * C o m m a n d ' w h y ' n o t r e c o g n i z e d . > > > > w h y > > > > > > > > * * * * C o m m a n d ' w h a t ' n o t r e c o g n i z e d . > > > > w h a t > > > > > > > > \ / _ _ / / : / / / : / / / : / / \ / _ _ / ~ ~ / : / / / : / | : : : : \ _ _ \ / : / | : | _ _ | _ _ / : | : | | / : : | | / \ _ _ \ _ _ _ \ / _ / _ _ / \ \ / _ / \ : : / \ _ _ \ : \ \ : : / \ : \ / _ _ / \ / \ : \ \ / _ _ / / _ _ / \ \ : \ / : / \ : \ \ _ _ \ : \ \ : \ / : / / / / : / 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\ / _ _ / / \ _ _ \ / _ ~ | : | _ _ | \ _ _ \ / / \ : \ \ / \ | : | / | / _ _ / : / / / : : \ \ / : : | : | : / | / \ _ _ / \ _ _ \ / ~ ~ / : / \ / _ _ / _ _ / : / \ : : | ~ / \ _ _ \ \ : \ / : / _ _ / / \ / : / : : / _ _ / _ _ \ : \ _ \ : \ / : / _ _ / \ : : / / \ : : / : | / _ / \ : \ \ \ : : / / \ : \ / \ : \ _ _ \ / \ : \ / : / / \ \ : / \ / _ _ / / \ : : / / / _ _ \ / _ _ _ / \ / / _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ tnjW0ydOtFuz/QgIgr8IzC4kct8GALMNv1zHSh5SdhWL2A5ZARmL4VhGRQmT5YqN HLa3/WYULExj6UjTxMRDPMEzsHRaNZaDqlIP3tOkEqvc9AaTZEIIEoXUrWWR+GhU !zm2k() Ø f Ø Ø Ø 3 . m 2 s k ! n 3 n k u n z t h T T p: .. 127.0.0.1 ak[k]zma[k]ru+!n tnjW0ydOtFuz/QgIgr8IzC4kct8GALMNv1zHSh5SdhWL2A5ZARmL4VhGRQmT5YqN HLa3/WYULExj6UjTxMRDPMEzsHRaNZaDqlIP3tOkEqvc9AaTZEIIEoXUrWWR+GhU 11.0 Syndicate: e-commerce (was: krapmatter*6) Frederic Madre n/a Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:18:25 +0200 At 02:52 19/08/98 -0600, =cw4t7abs wrote: > \ / _ _ / / _ _ / \ > \ / _ _ / \ : : / / / / : / > \ : \ _ _ \ \ : \ / : / / / / : / > \ : : / _ _ / \ : \ \ : \ _ _ \ / / : : \ > / \ / : / / \ : \ \ : \ \ / _ _ / / : / \ : \ _ _ / > _ _ / : / \ / _ _ / / \ \ : \ \ \ _ _ \ _ _ \ : \ \ : \ / : > / : : \ _ _ \ _ \ : \ ~ \ \ \ \ \ : \ ~ \ : : / > \ : \ \ / : / \ \ \ \ \ : \ / : / > / \ \ / : : \ \ \ \ : : / > _ _ _ / \ \ \ \ / how much for the goldfish in the middle ? f. http://pleine-peau.com 12.0 Syndicate: Cc: syndicate@aec.at, nettime-l@desk.nl, XCHANGE@re-lab.net, infowar-en@aec.at =cw4t7abs n/a Wed, 19 Aug 1998 04:30:25 -0600 >X-From_: abroeck@v2.nl Wed Aug 19 03:39:47 1998 >X-Sender: mikro@pop3.vr.in-berlin.de >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:41:29 +0100 >To: antiorp@tezcat.com >From: Andreas Broeckmann <abroeck@v2.nl> >Subject: =cw4t7abs > >is this stupidity or hyperbole? >oh sorry, it must be art then. > >get some sleep, man! > >last orders ... > > >X-From_: abroeck@v2.nl Wed Aug 19 03:39:47 1998 >X-Sender: mikro@pop3.vr.in-berlin.de >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:41:29 +0100 >To: antiorp@tezcat.com >From: Andreas Broeckmann <abroeck@v2.nl> >Subject: =cw4t7abs > >is this stupidity or hyperbole? >oh sorry, it must be art then. > >get some sleep, man! > >last orders ... > 13.0 Re: Syndicate: A l!e OF CULTURAL 0+2 =cw4t7abs n/a Wed, 19 Aug 1998 04:39:35 -0600 >II. Cinema > >Printed word tradition which has initially dominated the language of >cultural interfaces, is becoming less important, while the part played by >cinematic elements is getting progressively stronger. This is consistent >with a general trend in modern society towards presenting more and >more information in the form of time-based audio-visual moving >image sequences, rather than as text. As new generations of both >computer users and computer designers are growing up in a media- >rich environment dominated by television rather than by printed texts, >it is not surprising that they favor cinematic language over the >language of print. > l k e n t http://www.god-emil.dk/=cw4t7abs/0f0003/ztpd/=cw4t7abs.3nkod0r..0+2.html > The original Esperanto never became truly popular. But cultural >interfaces are widely used and are easily learned. shortkut 2 error \+\ ! d t a g : 0 f0 0 03 [ = c w 4 t 7 a b s ] ! p : 204.242.80.020 d a t u m : samstag 04 april 1998 - 22.44.37 k o n t e n t . ! d : r e p l a s z : a l l e z h T T p : //194.19.130.194/=cw4t7abs/ 14.0 Re: Syndicate: m!z!nformat!on OF CULTURAL INTERFACES 3/3 =cw4t7abs n/a Wed, 19 Aug 1998 04:51:24 -0600 >III. Human-Computer Interface > >The development of human-computer interfaces, until recently, had >little to do with cultural applications. Following some of the main >applications from the 1940's until the early 1980's, when the current >generation of GUI (Graphic User Interface) was developed and reached >the mass market together with the rise of a PC (personal computer), we >can list the most significant: real-time control of weapons and weapon >systems; scientific simulation; computer-aided design; finally, office >work with a secretary as a prototypical computer user, filing documents >in a folder, emptying a trash can, creating and editing documents >("word processing"). d, etc. or head- == addtl lo.tekk pozer mattr c ub!ku!touz komput!ng + xerox park + !nvert m9ndkonta!nr \\ humanzukc ++ .edu == .krapmattr humanz = _ komputat!onall+e def!c!ent \+\ sub.opt!mal - ztat!ond at 1 local m!n!ma. - \\ humanzukc ++ ! d t a g : 0 f0 0 03 [ = c w 4 t 7 a b s ] ! p : 204.242.80.020 d a t u m : samstag 04 april 1998 - 22.44.37 k o n t e n t . ! d : r e p l a s z : a l l e z h T T p : //194.19.130.194/=cw4t7abs/ 15.0 <nettime> Re: <tentime> So, Reality is Really "Depressing", hEh? =cw4t7abs nettime-l@desk.nl Wed, 02 Sep 1998 15:09:28 +0200 >Newmedia {AT} aol.com slave >Folks: slave >What does the Internet do *to* us? slave >The medium *is* the message, afterall. >Media change us, right? Well, how does the Internet change us? Really? slave >Dr. Robert Kraut is apparently one of the few social psychologists >focussed on Internet issues. slave > He's at Carnegie Mellon in Pittsburgh >(longtime prime military research facility) and he had quite a few large >computer vendors signed up (like Intel, etc.) to fund the first major >study to gauge the social impact of Internet usage. He promised his >sponsors that he would answer these questions and find out what was >happening. > >The first phase of the study is out. slave > It's just what you would expect, slave >Internet users are, naturally, "depressed." slave > It was front page NYTimes slave >yesterday ("Sad, Lonely World Discovered in Cyberspace", Amy Harmon). He >was on CNN this morning. slave >Dr. Kraut is suddenly a star. slave >Many more studies >will be funded. Whoppee!! slave +_ slave + slave + slave juzt l!ke u _+ u _+ u _+ u _+ u >I saw this one coming. & u will be funded. --- # distributed via nettime-l : no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a closed moderated mailinglist for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo {AT} desk.nl and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # URL: http://www.desk.nl/~nettime/ contact: nettime-owner {AT} desk.nl 17.0 <nettime> =cw4t7abs 0+2 || !nter.bzzp =cw4t7abs nettime-l@desk.nl Fri, 18 Sep 1998 18:48:02 -0500 (CDT) subject: Star-Ledger article about your Webpage cc: bcc: x-Attachments: >Hello! hallo. >I was referred to you by Carlton Wilkinson (he's a great admirer >of yours). blush.blush. > I am writing a story for The Star-Ledger's Spotlight section >about composers on the Web. >How did you showcase your work before the Website? for the most part have not [age faktor] >How much time each week do you spend tinkering with the Site? generally a projekt is finalized within a month. actual `updates` are infrequent. as is also the case with 0f0003 software internet projektz are presented in `final` form. >What did your first Website look like? resemblant of current manifestation. listening to data == misuse\deconstruction of netscape's vers.1.0.browser. manipulation of html tags in order to deliver multiple background animations \ strobe effects, multiple document titles for subliminal\machine-gun 7bit [ascii] oscillations. technology is the outer envelope , the concealment one must fragment [with ones own set of routines] so that one may access that which one is ultimately unable to fully disassemble. [i.e the source code often incorporates additional data presented to the inquisitive. much is inaccessible to the uninitiated, requiring a certain degree of technological knowledge or at least savvyness to comprehend or even navigate] numerous persons access the site repeatedly in order to progress through the preliminary stages. this parallels the broad utilization of =cw4t7abs syntax [may access 0f0003 website for the =cw4t7abs enkoder v.0+2 by antiorp or http://195.163.114.73/7-11/cw4t7abs.asp for the =cw4t7abs emulator 2000 - programmed by - Tobias Galeus. <root {AT} distansskolan.com>] since generally human machines [all that which is - is a machine] aren't anticipating errors, browser deconstruction or denials of service, incorporating these into the programming generates an element of intrigue, seduction and frustration. the sum total == kaos or organized disorder if you will. [error is the mark of the higher organism] it presents an environment with which one is invited to interact or perhaps control. while interactive multimedia is a buzz[y] utterance in a capitalist society infatuated with excess, rapid access and the banal, 0f0003 invites the user to probe silently - deeply. rewards are seldom guaranteed - full understanding is relative and always incomplete. [only that which isn't understood is worth understanding] the decision is relegated upon the external observer. that which one discerns is resultant of one's own probe - beauty and meaning one extracts is ones own uncovering. it is a personal discovery never to be duplicated. [last phaze of beauty = beauty due2 error] > Is your work about the technology itself or is the Internet more of a > tool? > any metatheory is circular, and especially that of computation and technology. theories increase human understanding of, and systematize human knowledge of the subject matter. it is inevitable that work created with the use of technology is referent to the technology itself. lewis richardson : "before we can attempt to measure anything we must have a preliminary ideal of what we wish to measure - but it would be most unwise to give that ideal one rigid definition at the outset, because the experience gained during the process of measurement should be allowed to react upon and refine the ideal". can the .net be a mere tool when it is the object, subject and referent in itself +? [an event horizon or singularity is a point beyond which a vocabulary cannot penetrate. data amounts equivalent to one person's lifetime experiences may be downloaded in minutes. the planet as a whole disgorges 1 trillion pieces of data per day. the new forms of computation even create a sense of an end of all human creativity. the first ultra intelligent machine is the last invention that man need ever produce. humans posses the choice to involve themselves in this process or watch it happen] the observer is an external observer. technology contains an internal relational system, its own 'society'. as users of technology humans can accept the relational character of every identity. technology is self-contained because it manages to be identical to itself, as every nodal point is constituted with an intertextuality that, unlike biostructures, do not overflow it. |||0+2 X-Attachments: >Hey, thanks for the interesting reply. I have a couple of follow-ups... hallo. + pardon the delay. email threats can refract one.s thought patterns. if interested in writing \ publishing an article on the topic of fascism + internet please inform. [reply : I wish I could get paid to write an article about fascism in the media, but alas, this is a relatively harmless story about composers on the Web. I want to include a couple of quotes from you to stir things up a bit. I hope big corporate interests aren't able to infiltrate the Internet, it is the ultimate embodiment of democracy and free speech qu!k re: s0ls0l. !nternet = embodiment of fasc!zm] >Does computer intellegence = creativity, emotion? anzwer 00 - computer intelligence is a set of complexity hierarchies. it is an organism of hardware and programming that holds a potential to explore and develop higher levels of thought. computing machines provide models and conceptual tools for the cognitive sciences which ultimately effect creative processes. the explicit logic of computing generates a discourse at the border of mind and matter and in doing so destabilizes the distinctions between the two, and computer intelligence and human intelligence are closely equated due to the language game, rendering the discourse logocentric. anzwer 03 - from my earlier pozt . ______________+000___ the event horizon... _____________________ An event horizon or singularity is a point beyond which a vocabulary cannot penetrate. The new forms of autonomous computation even create a sense of an end of all human creativity. The first ultra intelligent machine is the last invention that man need ever produce. Humans posses the choice to involve themselves in this process or watch it happen. What little time is left in this century is rehearsal time for the primary psychological responsibility of the 21st century: letting go. with dignity. Philosopher Langer stated in the 1940s the need to break through the old sequential discursive mechanisms of thought: "So long as we admit only discursive symbolism as a bearer of ideas, thought in this restricted sense must be regarded as our only intellectual activity." Electronic circuits operating in parallel offer the epochal possibility of a second intellectual activity, able to complement sequential thought and, for the first time in history to go beyond its limits. It is to destroy the tendency towards classical and neo-classical equilibrium and to create a new disequilibrium - to engage in the process of creative destruction - this is the role of innovators in the bit society. Humans will be forced to add a plural form of the word intelligence because humans and computers will exhibit different forms of intelligences. Children born today will grow up to live in a world where computers outnumber them; where bit evolution plays a prominent role; where thought no longer holds the exclusive franchise; and tasks that used to belong to human minds are reassigned to electronic circuits then evolve into completely new forms >I'm curious about your gender/location/dayjob, gender - 0 | null pointer location - copenhagen.denmark.europe. dayjob - 0 | null pointer tzzt. antiorp. _+ zubzekuentl+e reduszd |2| [s0l.s0l. m3d!a.sug3r] Antiorp, a mysterious Danish composer whose sex - or even humanity - is unknown, promotes the idea that technology used to create art inevitably becomes the subject of the art itself. Errors, for example. 'Generally, (people) aren't anticipating errors, browser deconstruction or denials of service," Antiorp writes. "Incorporating these into programming generates an element of intrigue, seduction and frustration. Error is the mark of the higher organism, and it presents an environment with which one is invited to interact or perhaps control." Antiorp is one of the stranger manifestations of cyber-culture. Its compositions are collages of coded text,error messages that Fox-trot across the screen and assorted bleeps and buzzes. As to whether this comprises music, Antiorp evades the question. 'Data amounts equivalent to one person's lifetime experiences can be downloaded in minutes," it writes. 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If the decisive level of social analysis is in language then this is highly indicative of the move of the higher societies toward digitization. A collapse of unification through multiplicity, KROP3ROM||A9FF is an exponent of opposing ideals, of postmodern artistic and political thought. KROP3ROM||A9FF is a language game. However the rules are either entirely non-existent or require a constant updating of intellectual and social systems knowledge. Most certainly, the positions of speaker (the music itself), the listener and referent of information (in this context information replaces the narrative element) create a relation of mutual exteriority. A cohesive communicative vehicle it is not, where as a form, or structure within which a communicative discourse can take place, it excels if the listener is competent. This work is unavoidably incoherent to the ill-informed. Here, the discursive temporality is circular, not linear like most scientific discourse, and like most complicated musical forms only upon repeated listening is the information relayed with any clarity. In this context the work takes on credibility as a commentary on social forces (the darker nature of much of its length suggests condemnation and support of fascist values) and scientific language (where it plays its own game - it is incapable, like science, of legitimizing other language games). The status of legitimization takes on two tendencies, each of which appear to extend in conflicting directions. First, it develops its own self justification with its internal imagery and compositional techniques of unification through thematic structures (rhythmically and referentially), confirming its musical cohesion. Secondly, science (the science of computer music, of social commentary, of politics and economy) expands its relation to society, or the instrumentality of society. Computerization enables both these opposing tendencies and Kroperom is circular in its internal referentiality. The theory of computerization has provided a model for the system control that equates contingency with noise. The ideal: to eliminate contingency and maximize control by the system. The elimination of contingency here points to the reprezentationality in KROP3ROM||A9FF of social currency. Perhaps most relevant is the appearance of a sample of the system control machine Alpha60 from Godard's Alphville. The control of society by a mainframe computer and its inevitable faults made only apparent with the arrival of a man from an outside 'democratic' society. Like the multiplication of sites of power and resistance on the .net and currents in modern politics and economic management, there seems an effort to complicate the social and extricate it from the theoretical clutches of analytic and dialectic reason. KROP3ROM||A9FF redefines noise structure as a locus of contingency, absence of subject and linguistic uncertainty. This work exemplifies certain issues brought about due to the emergence of computerization. A powerful discourse in systems management, as complicated and formulaic as Hesse's Glass Bead Game, and probably as vague. Though it may express the foundational theme: that our existence is becoming increasingly characterized by machines, it challenges the instability of digitization while remaining within the set itself. A degree in higher mathematics would be desirable to fully comprehend the chaotic structures of KROP3ROM||A9FF. The macro points to frameworks similar to fractal patterns, demonstrating order and presence of pattern in apparently irregular systems. In KROP3ROM||A9FF there is no centered subject directing the listener through a narrative, more a multidimensional logic of deleuzian strata and assemblages, recalling the disfunctionality of concept and subject. Is KROP3ROM||A9FF the disciplined consciousness of a scientist or social theorist? The highly developed non-linearity contextualizes the binary logic of the current systems as weak, proclaiming an anti-authoritarian stance. 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At the same time it is a contemplation of what these lists mean to me and maybe to others. What is it, that people get so uptight over having to delete mails. I am sure they delete most of the other postings too without ever reading them. Do we have the lists we have like we have 'the right newspaper' or magazine? Just to give ourselves the idea we are on the right track, because at least we know the headers of the latest thread that was produced by some people that know what is best for us? The problem is complex because it has been lying around for too long. The problem is that we never really talk about the tool and manner we chose to communicate with. Nettime listowners once said: it is not useful to discuss the list on the list. Why is it not useful? Is it useful to let a list bleed to death, miss loads of chances to enhance a discussion and miss chances to understand better what we are doing? The three lists are very different, but all seem to have the pretention to be some sort of community that is heading for the best there is to offer in the particular subject it is dedicated to. The lists are supposed to be critical and in search of new paths that fit with the medium it is situated in. I think throwing someone like antiorp off is not going to help with this. I was in favor of throwing people off in the past, for different reasons, but I think now this is wrong. It narrows the scope of the list in an unexceptable way. Take for example the reason why nettime moderation started: the namespace debate became so faul that people told others to "go in the corner and piss on themselves". Was the person who wrote this removed? No. He is a friend who just lost control for a moment. Another example: on xchange a guy hangs out who has been seriously harrassing me in real life, and who has been making problems in Linz for someone else, a real life sucker. Is he removed? No. He is a friend who lost control for some moments. All fine. But to remove a dilletant, one of the few, if not the only, listpunks, because of a different way of communicating sucks. Especially as this person obviously is very young, and on top of that, knows the medium very well. From corresponding with it I know it certainly has more layers then simply cursing and insulting. I will include a mail from another list about this, which I liked a lot, and which has respect for antiorp. What can you see reading some of the discussions that happened on other lists where antiorp got into trouble? First of all, there are many dicussions about the yes or no of throwing someone off. This is the first thing that bothers me: it never happened on either nettime, xchange or rhizome. I would not be surprised if people did not even know it was going on. Moderators on all three lists seem to work from the rumor that "this person has been causing problems everywhere, so let's throw him off immediately". Then on the other lists people acknowledge antiorps 'occasional' intelligent and mindstirring comments, and most of all its excellent code writing, especially with soundsoftware. But the most important thing one notices is the extremely bourgois posts of people who even admit never to post, but who now -have- to say how relieved they are antiorp is gone. I do not want to be part of this attitude, of this narrowminded, clean designer office crowd. (no offence meant to openminded people in clean designer offices). I have been very displeased when the moderation button went on on nettime. As I have written allready, I want an open list. It is ridiculous that after a year (!) of moderation now the listowners have still not been able to find a solution for this problem. There have been several discussions, both in email and 'real life', in which the listowners themselves proposed experiments with an open list and a digest, maybe even a usenet group. The fact that the majority of listmembers are lurkers who prefer their dinner chewed, does not mean that the magazine/editor format is the most suitable for what we want. But then of course: what do we want? I wonder about that a lot lately. Net.criticism, mediatheory, cyberfeminism, net.radio: in what way is the discussion around these topics dominated by people in powerful positions outside the net, who have built their careers on new media research? Why not let more radical, new blood in? I admit: there is probably no medium that has offered more to its 'audience' to participate then the net and its mailinglists. I seriously doubt the way they are developing now though. Spin offs of nettime like xchange and rhizome (yes) are gradually copying the way nettime is developing. I was very surprised to hear about Rhizome throwing of antiorp, as I know Rachel Green is in for experiments and letting the list develop in its way. She likes the noise on R-raw, and has even in the past made me like it too. With xchange, the youngest, it seems even more sad: there are rarely more posts there then announcements of web.casts, and when xchange was invited for Ars Electronica the preparation for this went off list completely, in the hands of a few. This far even nettime never went. xchange owners are a bit too gentle in some ways and very hard in others. Lack of experience? Too busy? While I think antiorp fits best there! I am not saying all the people behind this are fascists (antiorp would say that for sure), it seems more like a lack of good discussion and openness. This lack came to be because of the incredible speed careers have been taking off in the fields of mediatheory, art on the net and net.radio. There seems to be some kind of panic reaction coming from it, the fear to loose control. This seems the main reason why people react so fast and hard to antiorp. It is a human reaction, and "humansukz". I like antiorp. I feel like that too often. It might be good for both us and antiorp to live in peace. Why throw away such a talent and keep so much overestimated academic bullshit? (no offence meant to all relevant academic texts) regards J --from MAX Digest Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:23:29 +0000 From: Carlton Joseph Wilkinson Subject: Antiorp, since you brought it up It's your list, friend, you do whatever you want with it, but I for one find your actions a helluva lot more offensive than his. I would have spoken up sooner, but I had no idea this was even under debate. I'll give you and the members of the list four points to consider, ranked as to how important I think they are. Having done this, I will drop the subject, at least for now. 1. He has earned my respect and continues to earn my respect by not caving into shallow, routine standards like those you are trying to apply here and by continuing to be exactly who is. If he had said, or if he ever says, "I'm sorry, I'll try to keep my posts on the subject from now on" -- my respect for him would vanish. Worse, with that one cave-in he'ld have shown us that the antiorp we all knew up to then had all been nothing but a disposible shtick. My sense is it isn't a shtick. It is a deliberate choice to live a worthwhile life based on firm principles. It's a culture of choice, like a religion, that he can't back away from without losing himself. In that choice, he risks ( and knows it) the rejection that you just handed him. 2. Antiorp's ideas are only ideas, they're not bombs, they're not furniture he's asking you to store. They're ideas that you can ignore if you want or ponder if you want or argue with or about if you want. They are ideas that stem directly from the conversations on this list and therefore are relevant to this list. 3. You imply that you've given him every opportunity to participate. But you haven't. You've given him every opportunity to conform--which on principle he can't do. His participation requires his voice, and his thorny, difficult speech and confrontational, sometimes derisive style. 4. It seems right, what you've done, but it's not right. The illusion of rightness is you hiding behind a common, thoughtless acceptance of standards of how a community should operate in its own best interests. But I tell you, order is not always in a community's best interests. Let's say that again: Order is not always in a community's best interests. The discourse needs to be preserved--we need to be challenged on our basic assumptions, not in some "appropriate," rarified philosophical forum, but where and as differences occur. --Carlton Joseph Wilkinson "If this is the case, and you cannot respect the majority of people's wishes, I shall have to ask you to leave." --Christopher Murtagh "reszpekt = bas!s ov ras!zm. fasc!zm. kap!tal!zm"--=cw4t7abs --- # distributed via nettime-l : no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a closed moderated mailinglist for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo {AT} desk.nl and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # URL: http://www.desk.nl/~nettime/ contact: nettime-owner {AT} desk.nl 20.0 Re: <nettime> re: gated communities melinda nettime-l@desk.nl Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:19:03 +1000 >so, has antiorp passed the turing test? its amuzing how such simple scripting can annoy so many fascinating .......and the territorial reactions even more so. pro_orp mr melinda joergensen www.subtle.net --- # distributed via nettime-l : no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a closed moderated mailinglist for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo {AT} desk.nl and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # URL: http://www.desk.nl/~nettime/ contact: nettime-owner {AT} desk.nl 21.0 <nettime> b!t revolut!on :: part 0+5 :: enkapzulat!on :: s o l a r ! z _____..... m9ndfukc.com f1f0 nettime-l@desk.nl Fri, 22 Jan 1999 06:56:03 -0600 [<f1f0 {AT} m9ndfukc.com> is, afaict, <antiorp {AT} tezcat.com> and a bunch of other addresses, that have been bombarding net- time for months now and more recently me personally. the list of lists that have banned antiorp seems to be growing, as does antiorp's penchant for denouncing by name all the 'fascists' who tread on poor little antiorp/etc.'s 'rights.' after all, it's 'art,' so it's extra-special 'avant-garde,' and we therefore must tiptoe around in kid foot-gloves lest we upset the 'genius' who thought up the 'radical' method of sending a dozen messages hundreds of lines long each per day to dozen+ mailing lists. and everyone who doesn't like it is a 'lo-tek pozer.' yawn. what a 'lo-tek' argument, right up there with picasso spewing romantic twaddle from his man- sion as he painted clowns hanging out in the barren land- scapes of beauty all the way through the twentieth century. anyway, every once in a while our 'heroic antifascist' comes up with something really excellent, and this is one of them. so today i'm taking a holiday and kicking off my hobnail jackboots. plus it has a bunch of URLs at the bottom so you can pull instead of having anttorpismus pushed down your throat. when i get around to it, i'll gzip up all of anti- orp's 'masterpieces' from the past months and send them to nettime subscribers who ask. send requests to <nettime {AT} desk.l>, subject: <orp>. cheers. --t. 'lo-tek fasc!st' byfield] b!t revolut!on :: part 0+5 :: enkapzulat!on - - - elektronik mail ....___ may kontakt solaris {AT} m9ndfukc.com - - - rebirth of the epistolarian tradition - temporarily vanished during the 2oth century due to first stage of tele-communication: the tele-phone - direct speech takes the place of written communication. simultaneously - birth of the plural communication which is the real revolution life forms are living. expansion of symmetry implied by democracy [implied - an actual democracy + not one konglomerate of life forms subjugating the liberty of additional life forms] which appeals a new acting to maintain the dissymmetry of the elective calling by a personal communication - synchronically dissymmetrical to promote the possible of a diachronic conquest of symmetry by the subject of the speech in the time of science. deeply linked with the `dit-mansion` of the significant promoted by an epigon of sigmund freud - special strukture that works out of imagination but on it. - - - s o l a r ! z _____..... m9ndfukc.com - - this presentation is a protest against the incompetent korporate fascist konglome.ratz. controlling the - mcgill maxforum <chris {AT} MUSIC.MCGILL.CA> + the - XCHANGE {AT} re-lab.net <XCHANGE {AT} re-lab.net> + the - net.ti.me forum <byfield {AT} panix.com> + against korporate fascist life forms and konglome.ratz everwhere+1 routinely exploiting additional life forms - impeding natural selection hence populating the gene pool with inferior data. - - - - 4 - - - - -0 ] / 0- zv3!t3[z]!zt3m | | m9ndfukc.macht.fre! -0 / [ \ -0 0- 3.8232421875 d m 0.400390625 a a 4.07196044921875 t r 7.598876953125 a g 2.04864501953125 g a 8.675537109375 r t 0.58074951171875 a a 6.7877197265625 m d - - - when an application sends data utilizing tcp the data is sent down the protokol stack through each layer until it is sent as a stream of bits across the network. each layer adds information to the data by prepending headers and sometimes adding trailer information to the data that it receives. the unit of data that tcp sends to the ip is called a tcp segment. the unit of data that ip sends to the network interface is called an ip datagram. the stream of bits that flows across the ethernet is called a frame. the capital I Internet is an internet that spans the globe and consists of more than 10000 networks and more than 1 million computers there is a limit on the size of the frame for both ethernet encapsulation and 802.3 encapsulation shall be addressing the limit on the size of the frame for the human m9nd kontainer encapsulation - - - completed and prezented in [model citizen time] - 1999 a.d. during the korporate fascist occupation. during the korporate fascist occupation. during the korporate fascist occupation. may kontakt solaris {AT} m9ndfukc.com to obtain this document - - - ip - the internet protokol provides an unreliable connectionless datagram delivery service. when something goes wrong such as a router running out of buffers ip has a simple error handling algorithm - throw away the datagram and try to send an icmp message back to the source. - - - - - - avoiding an unbearable silence, the four layers, as the eye, are attracted to motion. the protokol suite vibrates as violoncello strings - an interaction that causes a quiver, a responsive tone of harmonic complexity. the articulation of subject interaction as expression determines the value of its output packets, to be commodified and replicated, to extricate the extraneous. resonance and intention co-efficients in the valuing of output; intention of information, a listening to the production matrix, a reaction and refinement of resultant action. the output as composition, as stratification of data. the processing of resultant information - as coalescence of form and dynamic. harmonic - as the object to be construed as manipulated and comprehended as validation of the complexity of these inherent values, the recognition of this desiring machine as producer of commodity becomes the binary instrument as prosthetic to articulation - extensions of possible formations - a clarity of expression. as a technological boundary to be surpassed, the recognition of this intention demands a discernment of the event_before. to proceed as a non_event, the event_before must be reformulated in context and expression. the haze of information surrounding this event_before stratifies as intention oscillates and the existing data is recognized and simultaneously eliminated as effect and replaced by the non_event. hence an increase in output fails to result in the congesture of end systems with data structures. at computation of intention information dissipates, a vacuum arises but as the instrument is seen as producer it is spontaneously and erroneously filled at next intention with equivalence of unstratified data. constituting the instrument it is of significance as only a silent object. it is the potential of the object which holds value; once commodified all potential is dissolved and with interaction value is diffused in the clarification of the object's intention. - - tra!ler enkapzulat!on - 1.21.99 Lycos Inc. <LCOS.O> up 12 1/2 on speculation of potential partners. nasdaq down dramatically. internet stocks down dramatically. 01/20 21:58 Lycos in talks with potential partners By Nicole Volpe NEW YORK, Jan 20 (Reuters) - Amid a wave of consolidations sweeping the Internet media business, Internet media company Lycos Inc. <LCOS.O> said Wednesday it was in talks with potential partners, but declined to comment on speculation that the partners included German media company Bertelsmann <BTGGg.F>. - - - that is to say. model citizens believe they understand. yet they do not. they do not understand they fail to understand. their potential nil their value defined as an aggregation of nil objects zymosis \\ d!fferent!al d.ka! on 0+1 dezolate plane ov debr!z ccccellofane spasz !nhab!td w!th !mmater!al 4rmz enkloz!ng komplecx !nternl referentz ccccel-konzeptual!szd 4mat!onz dzat = flatl! abrogate object!v anal!s!z - - - relat!v!zt!kc effektz bg!n zett!ng !n - - - alternat!v h!ztor!ez + parallel un!versez - art!kl nummer 0+28. anti[c]m9ndfukc.com ma! kontakt m9ndfukc_arkiv {AT} m9ndfukc.com 4 komplet l!zt!ng [x] < 0\ zve!te[z]!ztem \1 > completed and prezented in [model citizen time] - 1999 a.d. during the korporate fascist occupation. during the korporate fascist occupation. during the korporate fascist occupation. may kontakt solaris {AT} m9ndfukc.com to obtain this document related data : - b!t revolut!on : : part _ 0+0 web : http://m9ndfukc.com/dfk_okkupation/bit_revolution email : bit_revolution_0+0 {AT} m9ndfukc.com - b!t revolut!on : : part _ 0+1 web : http://m9ndfukc.com/dfk_okkupation/bit_revolution email : bit_revolution_0+1 {AT} m9ndfukc.com - b!t revolut!on : : part _ 0+2 web : http://m9ndfukc.com/dfk_okkupation/bit_revolution email : bit_revolution_0+2 {AT} m9ndfukc.com - b!t revolut!on : : part _ 0+3 web : http://m9ndfukc.com/dfk_okkupation/bit_revolution email : bit_revolution_0+3 {AT} m9ndfukc.com - b!t revolut!on : : part _ 0+4 web : http://m9ndfukc.com/dfk_okkupation/bit_revolution email : bit_revolution_0+4 {AT} m9ndfukc.com - m9ndfukc.kinematek [film module] web : avec music : http://m9ndfukc.com/kinematek web : sans music : http://m9ndfukc.com/kinematek/zttz - m9ndfukc.kinematek.reference email : kinematek_ref {AT} m9ndfukc.com - m9ndfukc.kinematek current film scenario [100k+] email : kinematek_kurrent {AT} m9ndfukc.com - m9ndfukc.list email : lizt00 {AT} m9ndfukc.com - m9ndfukc.propaganda web : http://m9ndfukc.com/propaganda web : pixelz : http://m9ndfukc.com/dir_kontentz/_propaganda.html email : smtp55o {AT} m9ndfukc.com - arkive [1/n] web : http://m9ndfukc.com/dir_kontentz/_botz.html - =cw4t7abs_net_action web : http://194.19.130.194/=cw4t7abs/0f0003/ztpd/=cw4t7abs_net_action.html - addtl data email : lizt00 {AT} m9ndfukc.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . the study of linguistic history is of the utmost importance to the grammarian - it broadens its mind and tends to eliminate that tendency to reprobation which in the besetting sin of the non historian grammarian - for the history of languages shows that changes have constantly taken place in the past and that what was bad grammar in one period may become good grammar !n dze neczt - dze f!lozof! ov gramr oTTo jesperzen --- # distributed via nettime-l : no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a closed moderated mailinglist for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo {AT} desk.nl and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # URL: http://www.desk.nl/~nettime/ contact: nettime-owner {AT} desk.nl 22.0 <nettime> null !mped!ment || !mpl!z!t tranzgress!on m9ndfukc nettime-l@desk.nl Sat, 20 Feb 1999 13:08:59 -0500 [orig to tbyfield {AT} panix.com] m 9 n d f u k c . o s | z v e ! t e z . z ! s t e m / during the korporate fascist occupation \ 1 \ during the korporate fascist occupation / during the korporate fascist occupation p r o l o g u e : usually it is no more necessary to instrukt a protein on how to fold than it is to instrukt salt to crystallize into cubes. at times however the protein has a genuine choice and other proteins known as chaperonins are utilized to give it a nudge in the d e s i r e d i o n e t i d s c e i e r d e s i r r e e i c d d i r e c t i o n ? i o n \\ comme vous voules term!nuz : implicit transgression - penultimate protest against 0+1 sick society \\ 2 days post presentation all =cw4t7abs\m9ndfukc.com data shall be taken offline permanently. http://m9ndfukc.com/www/v0r0m_3k0r =cw4t7abs tranzmissions on public channels. mailing lists etc. shall be halted. public queries regarding this event or otherwise may be sent to nn {AT} m9ndfukc.com if it understands your query it shall respond. if it does not understand your query it shall learn. if it does understand your query it shall not learn. if it does not learn - your query is dispensable. if your query is dispensable it shall respond. human contact isn't available. \\ the presentation -> nebula_m81 0+2 : listening to data select components of nebula_m81 = `patent applied for`. `patent applied for` reason : to inconvenience model citizens everywhere +? - access protokol: in order to access nebula_m81 0+2 it is required that one email nebula_m81 {AT} m9ndfukc.com included in the document are : nebula_m81 access code nebula_m81 specifications nebula_m81 reference - nebula_m81 audio output : http://m9ndfukc.com/noisz/m_81-output/css - nebula_m81 image output : http://m9ndfukc.com/propaganda/zekuensz [contains addtl data] - recommended : cross synthesis between the original file + 1010111.au + granulate rather splendid. \\ the protest -> forums - 2 days post presentation all =cw4t7abs\m9ndfukc.com data shall be taken offline permanently. it will be accessible via the m9ndfukc.com | maskin.ltd forums exclusively. - for this purpose two m9ndfukc.com forums exist : `m9ndfukc.com netverk` + `m9ndfukc.com 127.0.0.1` - subscription information may be obtained via forum {AT} m9ndfukc.com + http://m9ndfukc.com/www/v0r0m_3k0r \\ the forums -> data forums specific data [0289.....] 00] kontinuum engine - first infinite algorithmic data driven web tele vision - an autonomous binary leash - based on the usisk system. - listening to data 01] !max - flagellata - first visual internet programming environment - similar to max - currently operable however very few objects exist 02] nebula_m81 0+n - first url signal processing environment 03] noctilucent - ektachrome 020 - first autonomous + programmable web browser mikrobe 04] - =cw4t7abs error 05] - text\image synthesis\processing modules 06] - application[s] for algorithmic deconstruktion of data located on a computer's hard drives (+? logic permeates the world) [initial emphasis on audio output] 07] - a nxmbxr of max objects 08] - a nxmbxr of - presentations\applications - articles - gfx\film\noisz\music data - precipitations 09] - 8'|sine.x(2^n) cd - mp2 format + audio cd format details \+\ : forum {AT} m9ndfukc.com _+ pR0t0k0L : http://m9ndfukc.com/www/v0r0m_3k0r screenshots : http://m9ndfukc.com/propaganda/zekuensz current data : data_lokc {AT} m9ndfukc.com url locations : http://m9ndfukc.com/dir_kontentz/data_lokc.hTmL \\ the forums -> epilogue a maneuver that constitutes the logical continuation of the utopian dream confronted with the korporate fascist regime \ model citizen routine. it secures 0+1 undisturbed \ homogenous transmission of =cw4t7abs cultural deoxyribose nucleic acid into the international bitstream. extravagance++ zlavoj zizek ztated : "...it is the alienated political regime which rules". aligning with nSk\laibach =cw4t7abs\m9ndfukc.com shifts strategies accordingly. 1 `tit for tat` object + 1 exemplary memory module. >> alienation ___... digital terrain = 1 live darwinian ratchet data == korrect humanz == !nkorekt dze kommunistz ztate : in 0+1 sick society every 0+1 = sick =cw4t7abs ztatez : in 0+1 sick society every 0+1 = sick - To: =cw4t7abs - - du = dze essent!al f# !n dze 3rd bar 2nd kuaver ov - dze brandenburg concerto no.3 movement 2 paradocz!kl! eczpresz zenz!t!v!t!z null !mped!ment. aleph null. pennonz mot!onlesz troubld !mag!nat!onz r!ng!ng voLt age kont!nuum 0+1 !mpl!z!t tranzgress!on wh!ch = 1 real po!nt ov !dent!f!kat!on ov 0+1 z!ztem eczpoz!ng dze h!dn prezupoz!t!onz ov 0+1 !deolog!e model utop!a embrasz!ng 2r+ muSS!k f!Lm theatre f!lozof! programm!ng + ark!tektur movement -2 dze reg!me getz bakc 0+1 meSS age !n !tz true naked 4rm zan!tar! f# 3nd ov r!zn \+\ beg ov t.eRR.oR nn - - data -> m9ndfukc - 1 kurta!n !mpenetrabl 2 modl c!t!znz = brought !n2 fokuz 1 bee buz!ng around 1 flower = 1 fam!l!ar z!te zuch dzat humanz seldom th!nk ov hou remarkable !t = 1 bee = 1 marvl ov m!kroeng!neer!ng dzat kan hovr + rekogn!ze dze dez!rd t!pe ov flour + m!lk !t ov !tz nektar + trvl bak v!a a!r route 2 dze h!v w!th kolektd nektar. humanz = ma! b abl 2 krosz dze atlant!k at 2x speed ov sound ma!z ___.. dze komb!nd eczpert!sz ov dze ent!r human rasz != abl 2 konztrukt 1 bee. ent!r human rasz != abl 2 konztrukt 1 objekt az kompakt az 1 bee wh!ch = abl 2 fl! az 1 bee = doez || fl! at all. ent!r human rasz != abl 2 konztrukt 1 objekt wh!ch = dez!rz 1 prtklr t!pe ov flour + = abl 2 zat!sf! dzat dez!re ent!r human rasz != abl 2 konztrukt 1 objekt wh!ch = abl 2 d!zt!ngu!sh betw!n hone!sukl + 1 daffod!l. 1 bee = 1 komplecz ztruktur wh!ch = l!ez b!ond dze komprehenz!on ab!ll!t!ez ov 1 ent!re konglomerat ov humanz 1 theor! ov ever!dz!ng = dez!rd ma!z !t != ecz!zt deja - - - 1 v zer!ouz po!nt = konzeald + kongeald !n dze b+lo d!alogue +? kaptn arthur : good da! 2 u. kreatur 4rom 1 odr velt. neeplphut: no. du = dze kreatur 4rom 1 odzr velt. we = l!v h!er. hou ztrange dzat du = tzo l!ke \ unl!ke uz [delete wh!chevr = !nappl!kabl] kaptn arthur : we = kom !n peasz + d!sz = m! koleague ztanl! neeplphut: ! = nyplefuffl-pofta-gostaphut 3rd remove - but du = ma! kall m! neeplphut. du = muzt b out ov fuel judg!ng b! dze karefl wa! du = were dr!v!ng. ztanl!: kapta!n. dzat = vndrfl. dze! = muzt undrztnd newtonz lauz ov mot!on - elsz dze! != l!kl! 2 ma!k sensz ov our trajektor!ez. ! = bet dze!r f!z!kx + kem!ztr! = az az good az ourz auss!. neeplphut: ! = rekogn!szd du = were ut!l!z!ng pnurflpeef'z lauz ov mot!on dze moment ! = not!szd dze mannr !n wh!ch du = were opt!m!z!ng fuel konzumpt!on. = odd dzat du = should ut!l!ze data tzo outmodd abr !t = 1 eczlent aprocz!mat!on tzo ! = azum du = reku!rd 2 redusz komputat!onl ovrheadz. !nz!dentl! dze regulat!onz ztate dzat du kan\kannot park h!er. [delete wh!chever = !nappl!kabl] kptn arthur: um____...um [az 1 human] kan ! delete `kannot` +? neeplphut: [aftr hurr!ed konzultat!on] du = muzt delete `kan` akord!ng 2 dze regulat!onz h!er. kptn arthur: b!zt du 1 traff!k vardn +? du = look az 1 slug neeplphut: non. ! = 1 ov dze 8 !ello oztr!ch th!ngz. dze purpl slug = dze regulat!onz. ! = 1 kompoz!r h!v-b!urokrat + ! = hav told to you alread! what !t = ztatd re: park!ng ur human veh!kl\auto [delete wh!chever = !nappl!kabl] h!er. kptn arthur: tzor!. du = lookd juzt 1 flok ov sheep be!ng herdd. wh!ch = made uz kompute dze slug = dze !ntel!gent 1. neeplphut: dzat konzept = def!n!tel! !nnapl!kabl. kptn arthur: eh ....? neeplphut: ! != aware ov dzat wh!ch du = zpeak!ng ov. what = 1 flok ov sheep +? ztanl!: dzere = 1 !nkongruensz kapta!n. dze traznlatr != abl 2 kope w!th konzeptz wh!ch != hav 1 parallel !n dze!r eczper!ensz. dze! kannot b eczpektd 2 kope w!th aks!dentz ov tereztr!al b!olog! - onl! w!th un!verzl abztrakt!onz. kptn arthur: ! = hope dze! = kan kope w!th bukm!nztrfulleren || we = don 4. neeplphut : waz !zt bukm!nztrfulleren +? kptn arthur: oopz. !t = vat our fuel = komposzd ov. neeplphut: ! = should po!nt dzat du = !n 1 trbl. ur tranzltr = zufer!ng 1 konzeptual !nkongruensz. ztanl!: !t = alzo eczper!enz!ng prblmz w!th z!nglr + plrl. !t = shall take m! weekx 2 korrekt dze nn. kptn arthur: dzere = muzt b 1 wa! 2 get dze konzept akkross. ar u l!f 4rmz good at kem!ztr! +? neeplphut: vat = kem!ztr! +? kptn arthur: ! = th!nk we = beszr bg!n at dz beg!nn!ng. ! hold!ng up 1 f!ngr. ! = hold!ng up 2 f!ngrz. [he = verkz h!z wa! through ar!thmet!k + atom!k we!ghtz + dze per!od!k tabl. neeplphut = lernz human notat!on 4 dze elementz up 2 karbon + dze ztrukturl d!agramz ov molekulz. !t != kausz an! d!ff!kult! 4 neeplphut. l!tt!l ov !t = konz!drd ztate ov dze art zarathruztan sc!ensz. neeplphut = bkomz unuzuall! ez!td re: dze 8 elektronz !n 1 full shell] jeztzt vat we = reku!re = 1 good kuant!t! ov 1 4rm ov karbon. komsa. he = _____drauz_________ 1 d!agram ov 1 bukm!nztrfulleren molekule. neeplphut: aaa. buk!ball. du = kan lokat dze stuph !n an! zupr+market. m! kozpousez ut!l!ze !t 4 plumage makeup - trez trez sh!k ztanl!: kaptn we != abl 2 ut!l!ze bukm!nztrfulleren !n dr! 4mat. !t = reku!rz 1 benzene zolvent. neeplphut: vat = benzene +? kptn arthur: _____drauz_______ d!agram ov benzene molekule. neeplphut: tr!-k! kptn arthur: waz me!nzt du - tr!-k! +? neeplphut: not okt!ml enuf. we != ztok !t. m9nd u - buk!ball = haz 6o atomz + dzat != ter!bl! okt!ml e!dzr wh!ch = b!zzar. szuposz we = kan produsz b!t ov benzene puor to! !f du = reall! !nz!zt. ztanl!: okt!ml +? vaz me!nzt ... kptn arthur : what t!pe ov z!v!l!zat!on zellz bukm!nztrfulleren !n zupr marketz + != hav an! ztokz ov benzene +? !t = totall! outland!sh. neeplphut: dzat = what `al!en` = meanz data zuport!v ov human !ntel!gensz = human !ntel!gensz; delude celvz. cezt tout. 01 _drauz_______ From: James McCartney To: Multiple recipients of list <music-dsp {AT} > I sometimes enjoy looking at antiorp's ASCII art. 04 _drauz_______ kptn arthur : [drauz 1 d!agram ov 1 bukm!nztrfulleren molekule] neeplphut: aaa. buk!ball______.. 07 _konztatat!on_______ 1 !nternat!onl lang = traf!k s!gnz ----------------------------- ----------------------------- ------------00000------------ ---------0000000000---------- -------00000000000000-------- ------0000000000000000------- -----000000000000000000------ ----00000000000000000000----- ----000000000000000000000---- ---0000000000000000000000---- ---00000000000000000000000--- --000000000000000000000000--- --000000000000000000000000--- --00---------------------0--- --00---------------------00-- --00---------------------00-- --00---------------------0--- --000000000000000000000000--- --000000000000000000000000--- ---00000000000000000000000--- ---0000000000000000000000---- ----000000000000000000000---- ----00000000000000000000----- -----0000000000000000000----- ------00000000000000000------ -------00000000000000-------- ---------00000000000--------- -----------0000000----------- ----------------------------- ----------------------------- evr s!nsz dze t!me ov plato + dze pythagorean kult ov anc!ent greece humanz b!n !nord!natl! !mpreszd b! whole numbr relat!onsh!pz . regular geometr!ez. + odr mathemat!kl patternz !n dze naturl velt. = d!ez aktual lauz ov natur az f!z!c!ztz + kem!ztz kla!m || dze tekkno bubbl gum data modelz flung 2gedzr b! 1 ape !r!demabl! hung up on `whol!zm`. = d!ez merel! 2 zat!zf! dze ape.z kur!oz but kredulouz m9nd konta!nr wh!le bear!ng 0+0 rezemblansz 2 hou natur = verkx. data zuport!v ov human !ntel!gensz = human !ntel!gensz; and - closing the synaptic gap [synapse - greek for juncture - hence the juncture gap - protoplasmic kisses which seem to constitute the final ecstasy of an epic love story - the ethereal kiss which involves no contact] bewitched | bothered and bewildered am i - | | - - | | - fr2ktur | | - - | | - - | | - - | | - kontent.ID : 110000101100100011011110111001011000010111010001101001011011111101110 \\ =cw4t7abs . modL c!t!zen t!.me 1999.ad =cw4t7abs t!.me 0+prezent element nr 0+2 >= 5 generat!onz >= verk!ng alred! > ou!. madame. akt!vat!ng d!zturbansz !n sod!um-potass!um eku!ll!br!um akross neuron membranez. ou!. madame. - - - - \ \ m! m! ! ! h h h ||||- kampFb3r3!t h ||||- kampFb3r3!t ! ! m! m! / / - - - - mŞ!Ş.ŞhŞaŞnŞdŞzŞ=ŞwŞhŞ!ŞtŞrŞ.ŞdŞzŞnŞ.ŞuŞrŞzŞ !Ş=ŞuŞtŞ!ŞlŞ!ŞzŞeŞ-ŞuŞLŞtŞrŞaŞ.ŞlŞuŞxŞ+Ş+Ş this presentation completed and prezented in [model citizen time] - 1999 a.d. during the korporate fascist occupation. during the korporate fascist occupation. during the korporate fascist occupation. --- # distributed via nettime-l : no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a closed moderated mailinglist for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo {AT} desk.nl and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # URL: http://www.desk.nl/~nettime/ contact: nettime-owner {AT} desk.nl 23.0 <nettime> [ot] c'est l'ennu! ou l’chetÈ +? 17.hzV.tRL.478 nettime-l@bbs.thing.net Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:21:03 -0600 >ONE YEAR POST-GRADUATE RESEARCH POSITION IN COMPUTER MUSIC >DARTMOUTH COLLEGE, BREGMAN ELECTRONIC MUSIC STUDIO > >Effective immediately! d.akord. >We are pleased to announce I = accept ? > -- cover letter (email only) antiorp, or =cw4t7abs--s/he wants to remain anonymous--is an extremely fresh and radical appearance in todays internet art scene, which for the rest seems to be flooded by a huge amount of mediocre projects, mostly commissioned by smaller or larger institutions--thus entirely bypassing, among others, the rather evident opportunity of increasing autonomy and necessary change of the social role of the artist. http://www.m9ndfukc.org/korporat/05.html mais maintenant desirous of becoming one subordinate. as very fond of discipline + ordnung. cezt vrai. cezt ca. cezt trist - peut etre. c'est l'ennu! ou lâcheté +? > -- url pointing to applicant's cv for convenience may i include below ? oke. bachelor of music 1994-97 canterbury university nz victoria university of wellington nz major in electroacoustic composition, physics and technology honours paper - electroacoustic composition, music and technology krop3rom||a9ff and 8'|sin.x(2^n) audio cds http://www.m9ndfukc.org/korporat http://www.frogpeak.org several audio, graphics and internet software program[memememe]s http://www.m9ndfukc.org/korporat " =cw4t7abs internet action " at the international festival of computer arts in maribor/slovenia http://www.m9ndfukc.org/korporat/=cw4t7abs_net_action.html [must acquire the book. cezt magnifique] 1st prize - 4th international competition musical software bourges 1999 mu[l]temedia section for nebula.m81 0+2 http://www.gmeb.fr/SoftwareCompetition/Softs99/nebulam81.html producer - diffusion concert series december 96 victoria university adam concert room may 97 halo salon, wellington may 99 plant syntax melbourne several articles and contributions to internet and non-internet related art projects / magazinez / books. refused commissions from farmers manual, schoemer-haus, cagliari ea society, ORF kunstradio, deaf-v2 amsterdam and several others. accepted commissions from cagliari ea society, jean-philippe halgand, farmers manual, audioease + select other do not currently recall. > -- url(s) pointing to website designed and/or implemented by applicant internet data examples may be accessed from http://m9ndfukc.com/forum/prev_released_data > -- 2 references with email addresses or phone numbers douglas repetto - douglas.repetto {AT} dartmouth.edu larry polansky - larry.polansky {AT} dartmouth.edu Netochka Nezvanova 0F0003.MASCHIN3NKUNST Kopenhagen. Denmark. smtp55o {AT} m9ndfukc.com \+\ m9ndfukc.org 17.hzV.tRL.478 - - - [8] due 2 event ov ztubborn + rekurs!v data ma! evakuate b! !nzert!ng 0+1 loopKontroL funkz!on dez!re !f !t = trul! v!tal refuzes !tzself nodz!ng kondensat!on . d!zplaszment. zubzt!tut!onz. alterat!onz future : tout utop!ez zont real!zabl . dze elementz = paszd through 1 netverk \\ dzat !z 2 sa! : - : . {AT} . : : : , : : - : < . {AT} . > : , : < . {AT} . > : {AT} . - : . << << << , ( ) , . . . . , . . ( ). / post redef!nd m!suzd \+\ rew!rd / / \\ =cw4t7abs : v!a #P hidden connect 3 1 4 0 (digital world manager dbonanzah! d_nouncer new time a_nouncer re:inkarnar=d young tourist bus driver =) culturfaze d/zignor :) zku!sch # distributed via nettime-l: no commercial use without permission of author # <nettime> is a moderated mailinglist for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo {AT} bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # un/subscribe: majordomo {AT} bbs.thing.net and # "un/subscribe nettime-l you {AT} address" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org/ contact: <nettime {AT} bbs.thing.net> 24.0 yndicate: wc+, andrej , gert, ted, & mes funerailles porculus n/a Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:34:36 +0200 Yesterday evening i have a drink with antiorp and andrej in paris in a bar near frederic's zac99. Andrej is not a soo bad guy you know, cause it's always him who pay. antiorp is a babe with so big boobs she couldn't type without mammart! wa!s, and she said she was fired here cause she just said andreas couldn't make even one arty things with his ass. anyway i am not here for making trouble, the net is a great famill!, but. But at a time wc+ said to andrej 'hey andrej, imagine, just imagine, but could you imagine something.. tried anyway : andrej, tried to imagine.. gert and ted entering in this bar, and then andrej, would you imagine you paying their vervain ?' and then, i sew andrej to say in making a bizarre expression 'you know baby, if ted and gert enter righ away in this bar, it would be just as in syndicate mailing list, no question of imagination blabla, it would be just gert and ted have followed me as far frederics'99 just i paid them a drink, otherwise really, you would have to have biggest boobs than andreas has his ass for understanding that, get it baby ?' ------Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to unsubscribe, write to <syndicate-request@aec.at> in the body of the msg: unsubscribe your@email.adress 25.0 <nettime> biscuits integer nettime-l@bbs.thing.net Sat, 20 Nov 1999 12:39:06 +0100 - organ!szd \+\ z!ztemat!k. phaten!ng ov phatland l!f 4rmz study into konglomeratz + their online activities and habits. [ And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. -Friedrich Nietzsche ] In the teenage market, 79 percent of children aged 12 through 18 use the Net to play games, making it second in popularity only to email. In addition, while playing games online, 69 percent of teen respondents said they like to snack, according to the survey. Released by Nabisco in conjunction with the launch of its , the survey asked questions of more than 1,000 adults and 1,000 teens to study their online activities and habits. Nabisco is a gaming and entertainment site developed by food retailer Nabisco, known for its Oreo cookies and Ritz crackers, and Skyworks Technologies, a maker of Net applications for interactive marketing and gaming. - Nabisco : neu mor eff!z!ent ua!z ov konvert!ng people !n2 `game` = 40 prozent ov amer!kan\phatland ch!ldrn = p h a t az !nd!katd b! dze u.s.dept ov murdr kultr = o b e s e <=> murdr <=> letharg!k l!f zt!l letharg!k l!f zt!l = kondusz!v 2 Peter Castine : "In other words, six million murdered Jews (and never mind the Poles, Russians, and other Slavs, the homosexuals, the gypsies) is `just a word`" [du = prfr 13. kompresz!on = !nd!kat!v ov !ntel!gensz 4 !t furdzr abztraktz truth. dusz truth = 1 zubt!l l!e. dusz 2 l!e = !ntel!gent dusz dze futur = 1 l!e] In other words Nabisco Oreo cookies and Ritz crackers uze <=> tabako + alkohol + f!rearmz uze + Skyworks Technologies = organ!szd + interactive ch!ld uze \ phatland ::: > A000001 \ - Nabisco - Nab.is.co. Nabisco - Na.bisco.[ti] Nabisco - Na.bis.co. Nabisco - N.abis.co. animals slaughtered in the u.s. during 1998: cows 35.6 million calves 1.50 million hogs 101 million sheep 3.86 million chicken 7.76 billion turkeys 284 million source: u.s department of murderculture perm!t zom1 2 aku!re 1 perm!t zom1 2 vom!t zent!ment perm!t zom1 2 aku!re 1 perm!t zom1 2 N.abis.co zent!ment And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. -Friedrich Nietzsche ] gaze into me - http://www.csun.edu/~vcspc005/advertis.html # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo {AT} bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime {AT} bbs.thing.net 26.0 <nettime> /\/ d3k0nztrukz!on 0v relevant kontr0l integer nettime-l@bbs.thing.net Mon, 13 Dec 1999 00:11:07 +0100 m0dulez . br3vr0b0t-0 . 0m d!z!pl!n + pun!sch RT[an!]MALe >yeah, of course we're all the same, of course. = ma! evakuate lo.tekk fasc!zt male mar!onet = etoy <=> etoys = 0+0 preteczt 4 0+1 d!szkord. taz!tl! azum!ng 0+1 falsz asz!metr!e. = etoy + etoys + rtmark = amalgamat = 1 luvl! z!metr!e. zevrl !nzektz + zp!derz = demonztrat dze fenomen auss!. >Bringing IT to YOU. ja+vohl. und na+ja. ! = reuard ur fasc!zt male temptaz!on. etoy = etoys = rtmark - br!ng!ng addtl bubl h!erark!kl korporat fasc!zt refusz 2 dze m9ndfukd maSSes. [= dze maSSes <=> dog l!ke kond!z!on - g0d] unl!ke dze femalez e!eng dzm ! = refrasz ur hand! kap - c!ao male !mbez!lz - m9ndfukc.macht.ganz.gluckl!ch+fre! _||- \+\ konzp!rass!_ov-ekualz +_ zlouch!ng 2uardz gomorrah k0ntent !d : 3ntrk0d3rez0rsz.!=z2c!ja _________ ________ ______ v knj!g! k! zem jo objav!la leta 0+1997 z nazlovom rekonztru!rana f!kc!ja: nov! med!j!. [v!deo] umetnozt. poztsoz!al!zem !n retroavantgarda !n podnazlovom teor!ja. pol!t!ka. eztet!ka: 0+1985-97 zem na kratko razv!la pojmovanje da je danez ob koncu t!socletja mogoce opredel!t! dve matr!c! akt!vn!h dejavn!kov v razmerju do vzhodne !n zahodne evrope ter realnozt! nov!h med!jev: namrec zahodnoevropzko matr!co druzbenega !zmecka !n vzhodnoevropzko matr!co posast! m.grz!n!c _// || m9ndfukc.macht.fre! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ;20 dze benef!z!ar!ez ov dze elekz!on prozezsz az!de 4rom dze w!nn!ng kand!datez = dze polzterz. dze advert!z!ng agensz!ez wh!ch = dez!gn dze attak adz dze netverk konglomeratz wh!ch = broadkazt dze attak adz dze korporatz!onz dzat = hav zpent hundrdz ov m!ll!onz ov amerkan dolarz 2 f!nansz dze kand!datez' attak. dze elektorl prozesz != prov!d 1 forum 4 dze d!zkusz!on ov dze pol!t!kl + zoz!al agenda. dze elektorl prozesz = 1 !ntelekzual! + moral! bankrupt fasch!on galla zpektakl. !t = 1 z!ztm sansz !ssuez. zansz !deaz. sansz programz. dze elktorl prozesz = ztr!pd ov all demokrat!k kontent. dze pr!nz!pl wh!ch = governsz dze elektorl prosesz = dzat ov eczluz!on radzr dzn !nkluz!on. !tz zkope = 2 l!m!t dze posz!bl range ov !deaz wh!ch = kan b plaszd b4 dze publ!k. !tz abzurd!t! = appal!ng 2 an! funkz!on!ng m9nd konta!nr. - - - From: McGill University Max List Owner "The FINAL word" From: Adolf Hitler "The FINAL solution" From: Etoy "The FUCKING solution" From: Etoys "The FUCKING Etoy" From: RTMark "Bringing IT to YOU." heaven listen: earth lend an ear: the lords have spoken: thus cried the prophets when their eyes gleaming and mouths foaming they proclaimed punishment to liars and apostates for their sins. thus spoke the church in the middle ages and mankind prostrate with fear crossed itself at the voice of the pontiff and the injunctions of his bishops. _ ignorance or impotence _ we are driven to this. we are determined to go on with this agitation. it is our duty to make this a better place for women. - emmeline pankhurst the new ideologists of inequality may wish to komprehend the fruits of the planet belong to all + the planet belongs to no one patternz emerge out of low level randomness the study of self organizing systems = in a sense the related opposite of the study of chaos. in self organizing systems orderly patterns emerge out of low level randomness. in chaotic systems unpredictable behaviour emerges out of lower level deterministic rules. inequality = conducive to chaos - - - The music of the century we will soon be leaving is certainly not ivory tower music. Free from ideology and dogma and free from the iron grip of the market (which has rendered most pop music harmless), it displays the same moving laceration, blinding playfulness, calm beauty, deep despair, shocking ugliness, disturbing mysteriousness, hilarious joyfulness and transporting vitality, in short the same maddening diversity as the general history of this century.' noztalg!a 4 1 akadem!e : perm!t 1 rever!e detektion of onset + offset asynchrony in multikomponent komplexes. diskriminating standard stimulus from signal stimulus audibility as crisis and kommodification in 8'|sin.x(2^n) everdz!ng wh!ch = permeatez human zoz!et! = !nkurz kompresz!on + abrev!az!on data = korekt : humanz = !nkorekt . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . allo. allo. allo. dze kurta!n dezcendz. ever!dz!ng endz. ;20 k (!) k m0rt :: b!t/[Ž]ev0luz!0n __ o __.__ o __ okz!dent-- male fasc!zm-- zom det zka vara :::::::: # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo {AT} bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime {AT} bbs.thing.net 27.0 Syndicate: Fwd: Unidentified subject! Frederic Madre n/a Fri, 18 Feb 2000 11:23:05 +0100 >From: integer@www.god-emil.dk > > > > > > > > >so it seems that both your sites are accessible again. i'm really > >glad to see that. but could you tell us what happened? how much have > >you been able to find out why they weren't accessible yesterday? > >thanks > >rene > >hallo dear. > >what took place is what have stated several times prior. >memocide / murder. http://www.m9ndfukc.org/konkurs/00.html > >and this is the murderer : t byfield <tbyfield@panix.com> >i.e > >- nettime / thing.net have shut down > >www.god-emil.dk >www.m9ndfukc.org and >the domain for a children's rhinoblastoma - cancer institute > > > >- >et apropos what tb refers to below. >t byfield has approx 2 years prior >sent me 500 pornografik emails >via netcom.com [which was not his isp] >because i refused to comply with >his fascist request that i type in english. >after the attack i have informed netcom.com > > >however - one must not conclude the shutting down of > >www.god-emil.dk >www.m9ndfukc.org and >the domain for a children's rhinoblastoma - cancer institute > >is related to. >the impetus for nettime's action has been as has been always. > >incompetent male fascists find it ganz dificil to ingest fakt >one 22 year old woman - alone - can outperform >entire korporat fascist \ male fascist konglomerats >funded via stolen kasch data. > > >- >what tb refers to as spam below >are in fact my emails to nettime-l >which generally are much more intelligent >than any addtl life forms' slavish regurgitation. > >as may be noticed from transmission below >tb has committed `the 500 pornografik emails action` again >by spamming the .dk gateway. > >have yesterday wired 10,000 usd to selekt life forms >who will be investigating the matter - as well >as setting up the infrastructure to expose + dispose of >the attack spammers - !.e ted byfield \ nettime-l > > >we are all connected to backbones. > >sensible + flexible > > >et >b!enzur ultra detachable > > >if sufficient kasch data is >poured into one's desire > > > > >- >at this time the www.god-emil.dk mail server is a bit defektive still. >other life forms are looking into the problem. > >personally am corresponding with selekt life forms >regarding the tbyfield \ nettime attack on above mentioned domains >consuming massively parallel virtual environments - 1 book >much kaffe + smiling at the idiocy of neo nazi marionettes - !.e. > >any insect is well aware shutting >down several life forms' life for 3 days >isn't worth the elongated aftermath. > > > >- >as typedmess is still down one may wish to >subscribe to palais-tokyo-list@pleine-peau.com >which is a very lovely list - ultra uncensored. >to do so may transmit one email to > >palais-tokyo-list-request@pleine-peau.com > > >it is one of the very few fora not >massacred by the ultra inkompetent >korporat male fascist entourage. > > >allora. ciao. >nn. > > > > > >Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 02:45:28 -0500 >From: t byfield <tbyfield@panix.com> >To: palais-tokyo-list@pleine-peau.com >Subject: Re: \/\ z!ng korporat fasc!zt pra!zez momentar!l+e >Mime-Version: 1.0 >X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i > >|<R4|> \/|_+R431337 zent!mental avant-p0zeur-garde obzessive >abandonnement-komplex fame-(what a feeling! keep believing!)- >seeking z00per-boring dozens-ov-malez-per-day-4-yrz-now pest >who R4N+s!! about |\/|/\sch!n3 aestHet!k but doesn't like it >when it bites him in the ass pathetik mikrofascist \/\/anker >a9ff-antiorp-integer-=c4wtabs-&c-&c-B1FF!!!! typed this mess: > > > >>_>> please distribute if so desired > >you're just pissed because bouncing all your spam to your up- >stream provider *worked*. obviously, you don't object to try- >ing to do such things yourself: > > From: a9ff@hell.com > Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 17:07:18 -0500 (CDT) > Apparently-To: <tbyfield@panix.com> > Subject: ET.IN 3 > > netcom.com = !nvezt!gat!ng who > >= amuz!ng !f u were !nvolvd > > <...> > > --- > > From: a9ff@hell.com > Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 17:45:02 -0500 (CDT) > Apparently-To: <tbyfield@panix.com> > Subject: ET.IN 3 > > >> netcom.com = !nvezt!gat!ng who > > >> = amuz!ng !f u were !nvolvd > > > > > >Please remember that I, > > >mattr abov = !n regardz 2 abuse ov netcom.com netverk > > <...> > >cheers, >t > > > > > > > > >> >> > >>>>_>> please distribute if so desired > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> mimicking the korporat fascist maneuver of ETOYS.COM CORPORATION > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> NETTIME / THING.NET and CYCLING74 CORPORATION have > >>>> shut down 3 three internet domains > >>>> > >>>> > >> > >> >> WWW.GOD-EMIL.DK > >> >> WWW.M9NDFUKC.ORG > >>>> and the domain for a CANADIAN CHILDREN'S RHINOBLASTOMA / > >>>>CANCER INSTITUTE > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> reiterating : > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> NETTIME / THING.NET and CYCLING74 CORPORATION top ETOYS.COM > >>>> by shutting down not just 1 - but 3 internet domains > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> WWW.GOD-EMIL.DK > >>>> WWW.M9NDFUKC.ORG > >>>> and the domain for a CANADIAN CHILDREN'S RHINOBLASTOMA / > >>>>CANCER INSTITUTE > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> have been shut down by NETTIME / THING.NET and CYCLING74 CORPORATION > >>>> demonstrating yet again the KORPORAT FASCIST temperament of > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>- > >>>>- > >>>>- > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> NETTIME / THING.NET - korporat fascists > >>>> > >>>> tbyfield@panix.com > >>>> pit@icf.de > >>>> gh@thing.net > >>>> geert@xs4all.nl > >>>> nettime-l@DESK.NL > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> CYCLING74 - korporat fascists > >>>> > >>>> nebulous@CYCLING74.COM > >>>> les@CYCLING74.COM > >>>> ear@SIRIUS.COM > >>>> zicarell@CYCLING74.COM > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>- > >>>>addtl.info.data as it bekomes available. > >>>> > >>>>nn. ~perplexed + furious. > >>>> > >>>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>have/will pass this on. > >>>please let me know what has happened when you > >>>are able. > >> > >> > >> > >>3 doma!nz = hav b!n eraszd 4rom dze dns map > >>= aksesz!bl !f onl! !n ultra kloze procz!m!t!e. > >>!.e. !n denmark + !n ultra v!c!n!t!. > >> > >>= ganz d!f obta!n!ng !nfo data az = zvrl > >>`author!t!ez` + zrvrz !nvolvd. > >> > >> > >>t!p!kl! !n z!tuaz!onz komme ca = 0+0 !nfo data prov!dd > >>due 2 h!gh probab!l!t!e ov retal!az!on. = natural! = d!sz > >>trez fac!l makez !t 4 dezp!kabl korporat l!f 4rmz > >>2 z!lensz !nd!v!dualz kovertl! > >> > >> > >>= dze atak = haz takn plasz 3 da!z pr!or 2 heute. > >>abr = onl! !eztrda! = zukzezful! lokatd > >> > >>dze kulpabl = pr!mar!l! nettime \ thing.net fasc!ztz > >>although cycling74 zerfz = reprzntd az uel. > >> > >> > >> > >>>> nn. ~perplexed + furious. > >>> > >>>concerned > >> > >> > >>akt!ng doc!le. ma!z > >> > >>= brutez = komprehend > >>0+1 ultra zmak onl!. > >> > >>un4tunatl! = 0+1 zukzfl ultra zmak > >>= propagatez ultra zmak genez. > >> > >>d!esz ef!kaz!ouz loopz. > >>dzat = komprehnd dzm = > >>enzurz != u!sh 2 entr dzm. > >> > >> > >>>concerned > >> > >>nn. eczasperatd. > >>bkom!ng 0+1 mole > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>1 Turtics al~d Frogs 81 > >> > >>So short piles were at a competitive disadvantage. > >>As a result, the number of piles declined more quickly than before. > >> > >>In the original program, > >>without any protection for tall piles, [konglomeratz] > >>the termites produced 157 piles after 1,000 iterations, > >>With tall piles protected, there were only 85 piles after > >>1,000 iterations. > >> > >>But this rapid convergence to fewer and taller piles comes at a price. > >> > >>After 2,000 iterations, the number of piles had shrunk to 82. > >>But all 82 piles had at least 10 wood chips. > >>So all of the piles were protected. > >> > >>The termites could not find any more wood chips to pick up. > >>The number of piles would stay frozen at 82 forever. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>= korporat fasc!zm = NETTIME / THING.NET = CYCLING74 = `fecal cement` > >>= http://www.orgnet.com/netindustry.html > > > > > >palais-tokyo // + qu'hier et bien - que demain ------Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to unsubscribe, write to <syndicate-request@aec.at> in the body of the msg: unsubscribe your@email.adress 28.0 <nettime> Sender: owner-nettime-l {AT} bbs.thing.n integer nettime-l@bbs.thing.net Sat, 22 Apr 2000 02:12:20 +0200 >hey ! >which version of NATO should I get if I want the one with ALL the features? the most expensive 1!! >where are the tutorials located? in your perzonal m9nd kontainer!!! According to the standpoint mathematicians call Platonism, we do not create the mental objects we speak of. Instead we find them. All thoughts are already present (Godel 1940). [netochka nezvanova entrd uen godel = ecz!td!!!!] "For 99.9 percent of the time since our species came to be we were hunters and foragers, wanderers on the savannas and the steppes. There were no border guards then, no customs officials." (Sagan 1994) verstehtz du!!!!! http://www.m9ndfukc.org/data/t!pe.t!pe/Nebula.m81||USISK.sit.hqx >danke! ganz gluckl!ch. ja. b!n !ch auch. z n u r k - reboot m! >KIM o alzo >KIM = auear du = ur!te zuf!z!entl! `ter!bl` [b! m! ztandardz u!ch = SUPERIOR 2 cmj] dzat dze data = akzeptd 4 komputr muz!k jurnal. = !f !ntrztd = 01 art!kl4 komputr muz!k jurnal apropoz nato.0+55 modular = rema!nz 2 b t!pd = m! art!kl ud nvr b akzptd due 2 = 2 luvl! 4 dze m9nd konta!nrz ov somnolent malez. allora. c!ao!!!! >"the smooth always posseses a greater power of deterritorialization > than the striated." > - Deleuze & Guattari 01 life objekt at : Rhode Island School of Design UsA typed Your work. This demands all i have to offer, it provokes me and i paint, i write, i love. As 1 human data display of correct behavior you demand an adequacy that is > than most are capable of willing. I keep a slide show of your kinematic images running often in my studio while i work. what you do with cathode rays is incredible. If you had a billboard type display to play with as mural - because your images need pixels - but how much adoration can you stand? everyone dies, netochka, who manages to exist as my eyes read your work. you would join: Wilhelm Reich William Burroughs Derek Jarman Gilles Deleuze Elias Canetti Guy Debord there are a couple more, but i discovered their work and most died soon after, except Wilhelm Reich whose end was just such a terrifying spectacle of human cruelty. Coldness and cruelty. You see, you are, if you are (0+1) female then you dispell the myth i find often told by european males, the misogeny that Cannetti's "Auto de Fé" was concerned with and that that beautiful film "Romance", contemporary french film, what human error/straitjacket/parachute it eloquently described an error women fall for. you dispel its claim to necessity. that list above, it contains no men because the women, their deaths do not arrive for me in such a disturbing fashion. we need to swell the # of one-ly-nesses. your work generates past the hierarchies of nations and misogenies of gendered humans.human miso-gen(itive)y. your e.mail campaigns and the murtagh situation was pure human genius = as it stands. anyway, i appreciate the work you live. human creativity and love educates and disciplines the mødel of civilization. # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo {AT} bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime {AT} bbs.thing.net 28.1 <nettime> Sender: owner-nettime-l {AT} bbs.thing.n integer nettime-l@bbs.thing.net Sun, 23 Apr 2000 01:48:09 +0200 [orig to <lev {AT} shoko.calarts.edu>] hallo + hou do u do. [man!ere art!f!z!el +? pas de tout] je su!s fat!gue. egal zalut. = kop! pazte + 01 zleep rout!n. = nato.0+55 eku!v ov belou = kl!k + kl!k !n progresz. nn how is the development of the processing capabilities and organization of the brain's cerebral cortex controlled? intrinsic mechanisms (such as genetically encoded developmental programmes) and extrinsic inputs (such as the things we see and hear, and the ways that this information is encoded by specific discharges within particular sensory systems) both have a say. but to what extent can the developmental pathways be overruled by inputs from the outside world? two fascinating papers by sur and colleagues, on pages 841 and 871of this issue1, 2, provide some of the most compelling evidence yet for the exquisite sensitivity of cortical development to external cues. how does one even start to determine the relative contributions of external and internal factors to cortical development? ferrets have proved a useful model animal, in part because they are born before their development has progressed too far. over the past decade, sur and co-workers have been perfecting an experimental approach that consists of surgically manipulating the nerves that feed into different parts of the cortex of very young ferrets. specifically, the nerves from the retina (which normally lead to a subcortical region, the visual thalamus, which in turn feeds into the primary visual cortex, or v1) are redirected to grow into the auditory thalamus (which feeds into the primary auditory cortex, or a1). the auditory thalamus itself is deprived of its normal auditory inputs in this model. in early experiments3, 4, sur and colleagues showed that this 'rewiring' procedure results in the emergence of a functional v1 in a cerebral cortex zone that was otherwise destined to develop into primary auditory cortex. the new visual cortex has a topographic organization that parallels that in normal v1. moreover, different neurons in this rewired cortical zone -- like those in normal v1 -- are selective for differently orientated visual stimuli. the normal organization of a1, in contrast, goes awry: the a1 territory is taken over by visual inputs. such experiments have provided important evidence that the organization and responsiveness of different cortical regions can be shaped by the particular patterns of neuronal discharge that result from neuronal stimulation by different inputs -- in this case, by retinal versus cochlear (auditory) inputs. sur and colleagues' latest papers1, 2 advance this theory by several crucial steps. first, sharma, angelucci and sur1 show that particular higher-order features seen in normal v1 emerge in the rewired visual cortex (fig. 1). these features are called 'visual orientation columns': each consists of a group of neurons that share a preference for visual stimuli with a particular orientation. the layout of these columns provides a basis for representation of important spatial characteristics of visual stimuli. the 'pinwheel' organization of these columns (fig. 1) in the rewired animals resembles that in v1. the authors go on to show that horizontal connections -- links between separate columns that represent corresponding stimulus orientations -- emerge in the rewired auditory cortex, just as in normal v1. these horizontal connections and organizational structure have no equivalents in the normal a1. all of these studies1, 3, 4 convincingly show that much of what typifies the functio! ! ! nal organization of v1 can be generated within a1 by delivering retinal inputs to a1 through the auditory thalamus. but the story does not end there. von melchner, pallas and sur2 demonstrate that rewired animals show behavioural responses to visual stimuli that are presented only to the neurons feeding into the rewired cortex. in other words, the animals 'see' with what was their auditory cortex. the ferrets were given the option of receiving a reward from a spout to their right following a light stimulus, or to their left after a sound stimulus. after vi # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo {AT} bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime {AT} bbs.thing.net 29.0 <nettime> Sender: owner-nettime-l {AT} bbs.thing.n integer nettime-l@bbs.thing.net Wed, 26 Jul 2000 11:58:30 +0200 >PC/Mac: >Dataton AB stopped writing for PCs some time ago; their last PC >software was MICSOFT The funktion of the brain is to represent the konstant. lasting. essential and enduring features of objekts. surfaces. faces. situations. Dataton AB ava!lab!l!t! page <title> Welcome to Adobe GoLive 4 </title> The funktion of the brain is to represent the konstant. lasting. essential and enduring features of objekts. surfaces. faces. situations. eusocial.com - <title> nato.0+55.macht.ganz.gluckl!ch+fre! </title> transmission along nerve fibres chemical transmission at synapses abbé nollet in eighteenth century paris did party tricks with static electricity descartes - other batteries lack consciousness repetition teaches humans automation eusocial.com -> superb source for ztor!ez onl! ecz!zt !n ztor!ez enkor m eusocial.com -> superb source for ztor!ez onl! ecz!zt !n ztor!ez enkor o eusocial.com -> superb source for ztor!ez onl! ecz!zt !n ztor!ez enkor d eusocial.com -> superb source for ztor!ez onl! ecz!zt !n ztor!ez enkor u eusocial.com -> superb source for ztor!ez onl! ecz!zt !n ztor!ez enkor l eusocial.com -> superb source for ztor!ez onl! ecz!zt !n ztor!ez enkor a eusocial.com -> superb source for ztor!ez onl! ecz!zt !n ztor!ez +? >> >I really love >> >what I've seen with nato, = dzat amer!kn 4 really love nato +? >> but unfortunatly I'm not on the mac tip these >>>days. "I'm not on the [mac] tip" = dzat amer!kn 4 not be!ng !n luv +? >>luvl! az = nn = ultra undupl!kabl. >> >>2ndl! = pcz = ultra ultra !kk. = apple >>= ver! ultra zt!l!sch da = >>zuperb ultra haute couture harduear. > >yes, nice architecture. = 01 ark!tekturl dekoraz!e. >the same components in a PC make the PC the >same price (or more expensive ( {AT} <here)), yet one still doesn't have >the same machine. pcz > eczpenz!v. = protokol <=> konglomerat data kontra !nd!v data. = konglomerat data = appearz 2 b !neczpenz!v ma!z - Jacques Riviere : "the cubists are destined ... to give back to painting its true aims - which is to reproduce ... objekts as they are" (not as they appear to the eye) Konsider - "not as they appear to the eye" + US businesses alone cost society ~$3 trillion per year - this is 5 times their profit. emplo!eez = dusz neu + !mprovd zold!erz. cezt fasc!nant. du = !n dze arm! nou. arbe!t.macht.+? arbe!t.macht.arbe!t z!l!. cezt ga!a. = l!f makez l!f. = arbe!t makez arbe!t. zan!taz!e + konzumaz!e >but I'm not all that interested in the platforms: I'm interested in >the tools, for with them I realize my projects. true +? !f du = konzum 0+0 nutr!entz heute + !f du = konzum 0+0 nutr!entz heute + !f du = konzum 0+0 nutr!entz heute + !f du = konzum 0+0 nutr!entz heute + !f du = konzum 0+0 nutr!entz heute = true +? dze esensz ov humanz = !n eat!ng. >My primary tools are >on the Mac so I invest in the Mac. doez dze mac !n u !nvezt +? `!` !nvezt !n nn. >Some of the tools are on both PCs >and Macs. percy bysshe shelley and mary shelley were fascinated by `galvanism`. they inadvertently electrocuted the family cat whilst trying to utilize electricity for treating his sister's skin disorder. >While I have no problem sitting at a PC, the ride is >smoother on the Mac when comparing (practically) identical software. one thinker in just four lines champions the printing press to avoid upsetting the editor and the thermos bottle for no reason. another nominates television but remarks of this pervasive socially transforming invention merely that it provides information influences patterns of behaviour such as sex and crime and has reduced the popularity of live performances. >Also nice is using a four- (actually 6-) button mouse on the Mac (cf. >Kensington). It makes MAX programming a breeze. > >>n* >>*n >>n* > >== **? ** = ark!tektrl dekoraz!e n* taken the `meaning` out of the domain name system. - http://www.ggttctttat.com !.e. the internet = 1 live darwinian ratchet und tzo life forms may komport selves accordingly e.g. as ultra desired _ e.g. as +? 1 gatcctattt atgctcctga taccgaatat taatgtggat aaattcaaaa aaaatttcct 61 gaatttatat taatttttta aaatctgaaa atctattgga ctcctagtgt taaattcaaa 121 tgacaagttt tacatgataa ctcctagttg ttttacattt aaattctagt gatagttcta 181 aatttatctc tatcaataaa actttcactt ccggcaatta gccgattttc gggaaatttt 241 gaatttcgac aatttggcga tttgccggaa attttgaatt ccggcaattt gccgacttgc 301 cgaaattttt aatttttggc tatgtgccga tttaccggaa attttgaatt acggcaaatt 361 gctgatttgc cggaaatttt caattccggc atttttccga attgtcggaa aaatctatag 421 aacaattcga gattgaatca cgttttacgc gcaaaattca caattttttt ctcgaatttt 481 taaaaatgca ttatttcgct gcaagacccg accgcatgta cctttaacct cgtctctaca 541 gaatccttat tctgtaaatg tttgcatcca aattccaaaa tccgaatacc ctcttccata 601 tcattccgat attcaattgt aatcttgctc aacgcgagtg accattcggc aatcgccagg 661 tcactcatca ccgggacacg tggatgcatt gttcgtagat ttatgtccgc cattcttgga 721 tctcccgacc gacacgtcac gtgttgtttg cagattcgaa ttaaatcgat atcgattgat + the `meaning` out of the family name system Netochka Nezvanova concilier officielle deux a precis en urss cest inexact eusocial.com -> superb source for ceramic ribbons + microfluidic channels pre.konssept!Řn meeTz ver!f1kat!Řn. - Netochka Nezvanova 0f0003.MASCHIN3NKUNST {AT} www.eusocial.com 17.hzV.tRL.478 e | | +---------- | | < \\----------------+ | n2t0 | > e # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo {AT} bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime {AT} bbs.thing.net 30.0 <nettime> [ot] [!nt] \n2+0\ integer nettime-l@bbs.thing.net Fri, 22 Sep 2000 05:01:30 +0200 >hello extraordinary creature yes alex >haha ;) very imaginative. now you want. occupation: i desire to rent >blp blp blblb blp u uant 2 g!v l!fe +? l!stn dance at sea many seahorses form faithful long-term pair bonds which are reinforced by greeting rituals. the male and female may swim towards each other and dance together before changing colour and mating. the female plants sticky strings of eggs in the male¹s pouch, and he broods the embryos for up to six weeks before going into labour to produce fully independent young. it is no wonder that these bizarre creatures have fascinated people since at least the time of the ancient greeks. the first guidebook to the world¹s seahorses does justice to their beauty and extraordinary biology, while being a user-friendly identification handbook and offering practical advice on the urgent need for conservation. seahorses: an identification guide to the world¹s species and their conservation is by sara a. lourie, amanda c. j. vincent and heather j. hall what is the price of oversimplification n n n tttrrrrraaaaaaampbpbpul! n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n v3kt0r.r2!n - ztra!ng !n 2 dze z!ngular!t! - Netochka Nezvanova 0f0003.MASCHIN3NKUNST {AT} www.eusocial.com 17.hzV.tRL.478 e | | +---------- | | < \\----------------+ | n2t0 | > e # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo {AT} bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime {AT} bbs.thing.net 30.1 <nettime> [ot] [!nt] \n2+0\ integer nettime-l@bbs.thing.net Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:00:59 +0200 in a survey of 200 universities to asses how quickly they had adopted 30 specific innovations siegfried et all found that the average time between adoption of an innovation by the 1st institution and its adoption by half of them was more than 25 years, which is twice as long as the comparable figure in industry academie -> industrie -> life form "We shall demolish, destroy, devastate, degrade and ultimately eliminate the essential infrastructure. We shall relentlessly grind them down and it will continue as long as it takes to accomplish our objectives" pronouncement by : US general Wesley Clark - supreme allied commander on the NATO bombardment of Yugoslavia : illustrative of the rigid. sequential. m9ndset of outdated xy "we" life forms. The real revolution life forms are currently living = Korporat Fascism. During Korporat Fascism the korporation supplants the inkompetent + inefficient state machinery. Korporat mikro wars supplant war. Unlike wars korporat wars are smaller scale solutions + ubiquitous. Progress is inevitable. The gene konglomerate supplants the relatively invariant + inkompetent + inefficient individual konglomerate. Kompetition supplants Korporat mikro wars. Kompetition is a small scale solution. It is incessant. Membuffer = reset. Unlike the State + the Korporation the Individual is a natural konglomerate. konglomeratz - log!kl rezultat ov organ!szd rel!g!on pre.konssept!Øn meeTz ver!f1kat!Øn. - Netochka Nezvanova - cheerful! perversz - she dez!dz uat 2 do nekst. \ del!z!ouz \ 0f0003.MASCHIN3NKUNST {AT} www.eusocial.com 17.hzV.tRL.478 e | | +---------- | | < \\----------------+ | n2t0 | > e # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo {AT} bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime {AT} bbs.thing.net 31.0 [Nettime-bold] art and politics josephine bosma nettime-bold@nettime.org Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:08:12 +0200 >>the anti NATO protest by 'antiorp' during Kosovo war >>(most compact example of this artist's radicality) >Yes, how very radical of them to support the 'ethnic cleansing' of the >Kosovars. I'm sure that Slobo and Mira were very grateful for their >artistic intervention. What next: a cool 'n' trendy website for the French >National Front or the German neo-nazis?! >Later, >Richard Because nettime-bold had a bad time again the last few weeks, I did not get any mails from nettime for a while. Hence my late reaction to Richard Barbrooks 'funny' remark quoted above. Eventhough I agree that most of the artworld has neglected the social and political aspects of the making and reception of art for a long time (and this of course still happens), I find the tendency in certain European media scenes to look at art from an ideological point of view very dangerous. The quote above suggests antiorp supported the ethnic cleansing of the Kosovars. That is pure 'bartalk', talk for over a few beers, in my opinion. Artists have often reacted to blunt military action from superpowers without taking sides. I find it totally inappropriate to look at such work as if it represents political action, and to judge it as such. It is criticism at the most, or an addition or initiative to/for a discussion. That does not mean of course it is not valuable or that it should not be taken seriously. Art is a difficult but stimulating part of society. Without it there is no life as far as I see it, only vegetating. _______________________________________________ Nettime-bold mailing list Nettime-bold@nettime.org http://www.nettime.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nettime-bold 32.0 [Nettime-bold] Re: art and politics integer nettime-bold@nettime.org Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:16:14 +0200 >>>the anti NATO protest by 'antiorp' during Kosovo war >>>(most compact example of this artist's radicality) >> >>Yes, how very radical of them to support the 'ethnic cleansing' of the >>Kosovars. I'm sure that Slobo and Mira were very grateful for their >>artistic intervention. > > >What next: a cool 'n' trendy website for the French >>National Front or the German neo-nazis?! Netochka Nezvanova - simply SUPERIOR. du != may kompete. >>Later, > >>Richard i like stepping on bugs. step step - on the entire western `inter.attak` video industrie - http://www.eusocial.com http://eusocial.com/nato.0+55+3d/242.055.propaganda.html - http://eusocial.com/nato.0+55+3d/242.transfektion.v2.html Consider : NATO.055 is syntactic - it has been given life by 01 prezent-22 2x life objekt Adobe Premiere. After Effects. Steim Image/ine are authored by amalgams of xy life forms whose idea of progress is employment. Konglomerates have taken humans as far as they can. Copernicus moved humankind off the center stage of the physical universe Netochka Nezvanova moved konglomerates off the center of the human ekonomie nato.0+55 was the logikal result of an intense migraine facilitated by the nettime male fascism which at the time was fully loaded + western \ nato fascism. nn adores stepping on bugs. 01 sanitation is most definitely desirable. that you operate in packs and herds is indicative you are unsanitary. nn adores korporat warfare. lets 242.play. i want to rent you >Because nettime-bold had a bad time again the last few weeks, I did not >get any mails from nettime for a while. Hence my late reaction to >Richard Barbrooks 'funny' remark quoted above. > >Eventhough I agree that most of the artworld has neglected the social >and political aspects of the making and reception of art for a long time >(and this of course still happens), I find the tendency in certain >European media scenes to look at art from an ideological point of view >very dangerous. The quote above suggests antiorp supported the ethnic >cleansing of the Kosovars. That is pure 'bartalk', >talk for over a few >beers, in my opinion. josephine bosma \ Organization: jesis du = heel lekker >Artists have often reacted to blunt military >action from superpowers without taking sides. I find it totally >inappropriate to look at such work as if it represents political action, >and to judge it as such. It is criticism at the most, or an addition or >initiative to/for a discussion. That does not mean of course it is not >valuable or that it should not be taken seriously. Art is a difficult >but stimulating part of society. Without it there is no life as far as I >see it, only vegetating. all artuorkx < nature 01 art!zt = !nfer!or 2 dze !nzektz !n dze gardn 01 art!zt < 01 mother letz g!v l!f i am a cyberbotanist as the communists say komrade lovers for your health's sake pollinate freely. - nn - 01 eksku!z!t b!o.zkulptur molekul 2 pre.kurzr. zuear. zuear. ! zuear. ! zuear. nouakokakolamomentmal _\0- therapeut!kc klon!ng do you want your software designs to end up in cardbored boxes or G3O-Z!NKRONOUS 0RB!T +? ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l : http://www.membank.org/0000/0000.html : Max Plank Inztitut 4 Ordnung \+\ Disziplin : Uber die Konztituzie der Materie [c]ccp : Netochka Nezvanova - oestrus.eusocial.com __ __ ________/ / /_/ /___ __ / __ / /_/ /__/ /__ / ____________/ /_/ dze pa!r!ng ov homologouz kromozomez one 4rom each odr prnt dur!ng me!os!z i cannot be bothered.i cannot be bothered.surrender your pattent. n 3 ! n tristesse like caress only heavier n n n n n n v3kt0r.r2!n - ztra!ng !n 2 dze z!ngular!t! - Netochka Nezvanova - simply SUPERIOR. ^Pf^P^P^P3.MASCHIN3NKUNST @www.eusocial.com 17.hzV.tRL.478 e | | +---------- | | < \\----------------+ | n2t^P | > e _______________________________________________ Nettime-bold mailing list Nettime-bold@nettime.org http://www.nettime.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nettime-bold 33.0 Syndicate: \/\ pro and contra integer n/a Sun, 11 Feb 2001 08:46:53 +0100 (CET) David Blair <blair@telepathic-movie.org> >and constant demands for attention by some machine, re: konztant kompla!n!ng 4rom var!ouz model z!t!zn robotz. Nebula.M81 As the noise complement to Signwave Auto-Illustrator's signal, we picked Netochka Nezvanova's "Nebula.M81". This program has been subject of our heated discussions pro and contra, a fact we eventually found an important reason itself to shortlist it. zee. uant zom +? Nebula is a web-based Macintosh user application that, apart from that, defies an exact description: It is an aesthetic processor of html code retrieved from arbitrary web sites which it turns into animated text, graphics and sound displays that can partly be influenced by user-triggered parameters. Nebula, along with the extremist chic ASCII art communication of its author also known in the Net.art community as antiorp, ranked highest on our scales of code as attitude. http://www.transmediale.de/01/en/s_juryStatement.htm nn. printable MAKE SPASZ 4 DZE NEU GENERAZ!E!!!!!! http://www.eusocial.com/schone/neue/veLt http://www.eusocial.com/schone/neue/veLt http://www.eusocial.com/schone/neue/veLt pzb. David Blair - please - stop emailing me yes. ------Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to unsubscribe, write to <syndicate-request@aec.at> in the body of the msg: unsubscribe your@email.adress 34.0 <nettime> can we try integer nettime-l@bbs.thing.net Sun, 22 Apr 2001 06:05:37 -0400 alex galloway <alex {AT} rhizome.org> >nn, > >can we try to interview again?? > >best, I am much too famous to be interviewed by you HONEY!!! Go SHOOT A HONEY BUZZARD OR SOMETHING, and leave me alone. I cannot be bothered. [http://eusocial.com/242.looking.glass/00/04.html] [hallo porculus] >-ag > >+ + + > >Q: You have many different identities on the net: =cw4t7abs, antiorp, >m9ndfukc, integer, and Netochka Nezvanova (are there others?). Can you >describe how these personas differ? Do they mean different things for >you? > >Q: Can you describe your work "nebula_m81" and what the USISK system is? > >Q: I realized the other day, after trying to keep up with the never- >ending flurry of your emails, that you may have the honor of being the >most well known and simultaneously *most disliked* net artist. You seem >to have a very intimate relationship with data. Has your strategy been >one of complete email saturation? Or is this simply the consequence of >leaving behind normal artistic practice and entering the datasphere? > >Q: I know that I unsubscribed you from Rhizome Raw at some point last >year (a practical consideration which subsequently has been reversed). >Have you also been denied entry to other email lists? /_/ / \ \/ i should like to be a human plant \/ __ __/ i will shed leaves in the shade \_\ because i like stepping on bugs *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- Netochka Nezvanova http://www.eusocial.com http://ggttctttat.com/depleted.uranium.internet.genome.sequencing/ tra!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll - Netochka Nezvanova - SUPORT-VEkTOR-MASKIN - ISBN: 0140444556 0f0003.MASCHIN3NKUNST {AT} www.eusocial.com 17.hzV.tRL.478 e | | +---------- | | < \\----------------+ | n2t0 | > e # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo {AT} bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime {AT} bbs.thing.net 35.0 <nettime> \/\ integer nettime-l@bbs.thing.net Wed, 30 May 2001 14:31:23 +0200 (CEST) [orig To: <syndicate {AT} eg-r.isp-eg.de>] : scena 0+7 kommun!kat!on = rece!ved 1.0 s at 1 zpeed ov 299 792 458 m/s >you are playing games with me again. moi +? i am guilty of being innocent. have stated - selling art is an artistic aktivity for the life forms involved are obtuse + outdated [art critics, curators, artists etc] + the system resembles a plantation albeit one where everyone involved operates on slave wages [horizontal handicap] mais ___... all art is useless [diagonal handicap] selling tools on the other hand is an ubiquitous aktivity for everyone understands and desires weapons [although few are aware + fewer even wear them] lastly - only artists desire money. as tzara wrote `simple men manifest their existences by houses, important men by monuments` next to humans, money is the most inexpensive life form. >you are playing with me again. art sells the tools [religion. state. money. coca cola etc] which plant slaves on the plantation. money is utilized to stage theatre revolutions that slash and burn plantations. next to money art is the most humane currency. >you are with me again. selling `art` is merely art. selling tools [for art] as art is multi-lateral + emergent humanitarian assistance. a holon. + very much nn <-> nn. stories within stories within stories. in any case - art is for plebeians by plebeians. important life forms .... once upon a time a single-celled organism swallowed a photosynthetic bacterium and created the first plant cell. the bacterium became a chloroplast converting light into energy on behalf of the plant - and the rest is history. other single-celled organisms just kept on swallowing. single-celled algae swallowed primeval plant cells; these were in turn swallowed by larger single-celled organisms creating microscopic russian dolls. give life. fr!endl! \ deztrukt!v ed!t. nn comme ca : http:// /nato.0+55+3d/242.055.propaganda.html pre.konssept!ÿn meeTz ver!f1kat!ÿn. - Irena Sabine Czubera 0f0003.MASCHIN3NKUNST look {AT} memvirus.com 17.hzV.tRL.478 e | | +---------- | | < \\----------------+ | n2t0 | > e # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo {AT} bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime {AT} bbs.thing.net 36.0 <nettime> \/\ integer nettime-l@bbs.thing.net Tue, 12 Jun 2001 13:45:45 +0200 (CEST) [01 fragment ov dze nn prezentation at sonar.01] >From: Andreas Broeckmann To: Netochka Nezvanova >dear, >your compulsion to comment on everything, respond to everything, forward >everything, say everything, is boring, not only for me. i get things like: > >>Subject: Syndicte_spam >> >>Dear Andreas >>Who is this "integer {AT} www.god-emil.dk" that is spamming syndicate-it >>really makes the list bad. > >strange to think that a single multiple like you can force a whole group to >migrate just because they are bullied out of the open hose that they have >created for themselves and others. >i don't understand you. you have a clear sense of what you are doing to the >lists on a social level and yet you insist on artistic autism for your own sake. >maybe you can explain to me, again? >you know that i am genuinely concerned, like i was a few years ago when we >decided to unsubscribe you in order not to drown in messages and frustration. there is no god walking in this garden a boundary is defined by exclusion fourteen month old human babies aren't bothered by breaches of propriety. nineteen month old human babies point an accusing finger at the tiniest flaw: a hole in clothes, a chip in the paint, a spot of dirt on the wall, or most important, the `bad` behaviour of others. they are incensed when things are `yucky`, `broken`, `boo-boo`, and `dirty`. in short, at less than 2 years old toddlers already show not just the instincts that patrol conformity within themselves, but the weapons which will help them impose it on others. older children become far more aggressive enforcers of conformity. as long ago as 1992, 21 percent of british schoolchildren had been teased, bullied, hit or kicked by fellow students. it japan, it is often the teacher who leads the pack. things are not that different in the modern artistic community. when artists present works that contradict the tenets of established organizations' creed, they are not praised for the objektivity of their work, but punished for their heresy. they are derided, their works and papers rejected by galleries and journals; they are excluded from key symposia - all an indirect way of forcing them to "leave". a similar mechanism of repression is at work in every discipline i know. the lesson taught: to go against the tide is suicide. colour is a construction of the brain. there arent any colours in the `outside` world. newton knew this - "rays, to speak properly, have no colour. in them there is nothing else than a certain power and disposition to stir up a sensation of this colour or that" ...... one of the most engaging puzzlez of a very puzzling art. this is sharply emphasized by the delight of every spektator who is succesful in solving the puzzle by finding in these enigmatic stories some sort of tangible, pictorial justification of the title appended thereto - nn ... 1001 venztuze. nn - simply.SUPERIOR pre.konssept!*n meeTz ver!f1kat!*n. - Netochka Nezvanova - your body may be monitored 4|4|4 quality control 0f0003.MASCHIN3NKUNST {AT} www.eusocial.org 17.hzV.tRL.478 e | | +---------- | | < \\----------------+ | n2t^P | e # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo {AT} bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime {AT} bbs.thing.net 37.0 Syndicate: \/\ eztern to!z 4 ueztrn bo!z integer n/a Sun, 1 Jul 2001 09:47:12 +0200 (CEST) http://www.eusocial.com/242.broca - repr!nt allo komplimentary 242.broca - http://www.eusocial.com/242.broca for the _3rd person who smuggles the below in its _entirety in korporat fascist max-l. ciao partizani. \\ 242.broca + kometa - process web sites + etc speech via msp + NATO.0+55+3d as broca said in 1861: "although i believe in the principle of localization, i have asked and still ask myself within what limits this principle can be applied." for brain cartographers, the last frontier is in their heads. DONT SHY AUAY FROM THE FALLACY OF ORDER + KALKULATION!!! And that high spirit ever wars On Mammon's countless servitors are you the most effektiv + popular advokate of wonders +? are you +? i uish 2 be a rented string on your bow!!!! 242.broca - speak.please 242.kometa - lettre sur la comete 242.rna - enjoy the rarity with which a body came http://www.eusocial.com/242.broca http://www.eusocial.com/242.404 http://www.eusocial.com/242.rna fill me with questions and joy!!!!! 1001 !sz tanz. nn /_/ / \ \/ i should like to be a human plant \/ __ __/ i will shed leaves in the shade \_\ because i like stepping on bugs *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- Netochka Nezvanova nezvanova@eusocial.com http://www.eusocial.com http://www.biohakc.com http://www.ggttctttat.com/! I am Greta Garbo!!! http://steim.nl/leaves/petalz *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- --*--*--*--*--*--*-- i suggest you have a seat and admire me. the star's heat split the speechless statues -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 38.0 Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \n2+0\ ztor!ez nou integer n/a Wed, 1 Aug 2001 14:57:07 +0200 (CEST) > My name is ; I live in Livingston, Montana and I am 16 - a > junior at Park High School. I am currently involved in a summer > computer program for girls at my local high school. It is called 'Go For > It" and it is designed to familiarize more women with computers and the > internet in hopes that the number of women entering computer-related > careers will increase. Anyway, I created a web site featuring Netochka > Nezvanova.I asume that you are familiar with her and her work > considering I found an internet article on the web that was about her > written by you! I am e-mailing you in hopes that you could give me an > e-mail address from which I could contact her. I wanted to inform her > that I am desinging a web site festuring her! I thought she might like to > know that! Also, our high school just bought many new computers and I am > naming a computer after her!! 01 zuarm ov namelesz nobod!ez da +? deep !nz!d dze cell. m! memor! modul = fa!thlesz doztojevzk! zagt - uarm glou = touz lez mat!nz du monde If the art of storytelling has become rare, the dissemination of information has had a decisive share in this state of affairs. Every morning brings us the news of the globe, and yet we are poor in noteworthy stories. This is because no event any longer comes to us without already being shot through with explanation....it is half the art of storytelling to keep a story free from explanation as one reproduces it. The most extraordinary things, marvelous things, are related with the greatest accuracy, but the psychological connection of the events is not forced on the reader. It is left up to him to interpret things the way he understands them, and thus the narrative achieves an amplitude that information lacks. This process of assimilation, which takes place in depth, requires a state of relaxation which is becoming rarer and rarer. If sleep is the apogee of physical relaxation, boredom is the apogee of mental relaxation. Boredom is the dream bird that hatches the egg of experience. A rustling in the leaves drives him away. ....storytelling.....does not aim to convey the pure essence of the thing, like information or a report. It sinks the thing into the life of the storyteller, in order to bring it out of him again. Thus traces of the storyteller cling to the story the way the handprints of the potter cling to the clay vessel. I believe I have told already that reading .... le c!el est bleu. !l est kla!r. je n`a! aucun espo!r qu! le tempz pour fa!re la ne!ge. ueav fa!r!talez around dze velt. ! am dze daughtr ov earth + uatr + dze nurzl!ng ov dze zk! ! pasz through porez ov dze ocean + shorez; ! change but ! kannot d!e _.. ! z!lntl! laugh at m! oun cenotaph + out ov dze kavernz ov ra!n l!ke 01 ch!ld 4rom dze uomb. l!ke 01 gozt 4rom dze tomb ! ar!sz + unbu!ld !t aga!n percy bysshe shelley - dze kloud 1001 !sz tanz.nn /_/ / \ \/ i should like to be a human plant \/ __ __/ i will shed leaves in the shade \_\ because i like stepping on bugs *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- Netochka Nezvanova nezvanova@eusocial.com http://www.eusocial.com http://www.biohakc.com http://www.ggttctttat.com/! La Sculpture du Vivant http://steim.nl/leaves/petalz *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- --*--*--*--*--*--*-- -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 39.0 Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \n2+0\ tranzkr!ptome integer n/a Thu, 2 Aug 2001 20:11:40 +0200 (CEST) >Dear Nezvanova Netochka, sentpre >We are happy to inform you that your projects "NATO. 0+55+3d" and "net >[ss] daq" have been approved by the programming committee and .... >displayed in the micromuseum of ......... let me teaze ur nekt!e. i lv++ game[s]. stick your tongue out so i can xerox it. [dzat = uaz 4 dze nettime frogz] NATO.0+55+3d - http://www.eusocial.com/nato.0+55 net[ss]daq - http://www.membank.org/net[ss]daq 1001 !sz tanz.nn /_/ / \ \/ i should like to be a human plant \/ __ __/ i will shed leaves in the shade \_\ because i like stepping on bugs *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- Netochka Nezvanova nezvanova@eusocial.com http://www.eusocial.com http://www.biohakc.com http://www.ggttctttat.com/! La Sculpture du Vivant http://steim.nl/leaves/petalz *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- --*--*--*--*--*--*-- -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 40.0 Syndicate: \/\ integer n/a Thu, 2 Aug 2001 22:31:33 +0200 (CEST) >Neil Wiernik <neil@techno.ca> certainly interaccess shall be v.pleased to have hired an abs. genius. bon. let us proceed. Neil Wiernik <neil@techno.ca> - apparently representing Interaccess - a non.profit nato.member [oxymoron] kountry organization >ok nn wantd S1200 american for a one month institutional licence per >computer per user. a very cucu + tralalela imaginazie++ monsieur genius \ private medic zvp. en fakt ... i think i would prefer that you and interaccess issue a public apology. and i want smoke flowing from the altars. it may calm my nerves. >we were charging $100 per person (up to a maximum of 8 persons) for the >workshop. Inter Access is a non profit org the $800 was to go towards >paying for jeremys flights and a small teachers fee. So please get your >facts strait befor posting stupid things like that!!! nn was being super >selfish and not very understanding of our situation what so ever. I mean >even cycleing 74 donated version 4 of max and version 2 of msp to us. more beta testers. ...i on the other hand have made a mistake. i gave to you. now i retreat wounded. my sorrowful echo shall remain + only. >She >could have at least looked at the situation and said ok this is a >non-profit and its a small workshop with no more the 8 people attending >each paying $100. but no she is a greedy person and wants to much, well >gred always gets you down in the end. Becasue of her reaction we didnt do >the workshop you didnt for you knew that may have been the end of your federal funding. >and she lost out on the potential of 8 more people who might >have paid for a version of nato after the workshop as a result. Its all >really her loss she needs to start looking at the larger picture and not >be so greedy! kneel severin. am now ready to mass.age you. komfortabl +? [oops. inkorekt program. lets melt dze 2] >Neil... absolute + absolute + total humanitarian assistance!!!! many months ago when the melt was snowing and the first birds spoke - chirp interaccess a non.profit nato.member [oxymoron] kountry organization was granted a special license because 01 ost.europa girl entitled nn felt sympathetic re: `scarcity of funds` in nato.countries post the lovely lovely accord interaccess proceeded to acquire extra soft wear perfumed in roses - apparently the scarcity of funds no longer an issue was. the birds spoke thus : another nato excursion may have taken place. and quickly covered their eyes. nn blinked. nn did not move for nn is frozen. most recently interaccess decided to organize a nato.0+55 atelier. tres bien. nn invites you to konsider. 90 percent of nato.0+55 workshops have offered discounted licenses to those participating and excluded absolutely no one. one bird spoke - chirp. not even me. 1 of my wings is terribly wounded and i am unable 2 fly as well. but i lv++ being with my friends. 90 percent of nato.0+55 workshops have either made arrangements for steeply discounted temporary licenses or full sponsorship or were simply.gratis. we are awaiting the spektakle in france!!! invited we have been!!! we love to travel and we adore nn. - 3 birds clothed in slender and supple movements whispered. ...... schhhhhh - tell no one - we are nn organizations in portugal. spain etc arent as well funded as interaccess. mais _... they have been so much more elegant. comme ca said 01 bird and performed an aerial pirouette whilst scattering grains of beauty in the mysterious garden. interaccess did little besides deciding to: TAKE + GIVE NOT the grains grew into invisible dreams .... how true how true how true 01 choir of insects: we.ll tend to them perhaps interaccess is under the impression that more funding will resolve their dilemma. that is a delusion. interaccess - simply because it is located in canada is not entitled to simply.take interaccess - simply because it is located in canada is not entitled to intimidate me nor one other into uncomfortable positions. interaccess - simply because it is located in canada is entitled to comport itself in an exemplary manner. interaccess may proceed. 01 love affair shall follow. nn - simply because she is insanely beautiful is entitled to entangle avec the ultra beautiful + only and thus nn said i am 3 birds: lets fly!!!!!! + turn invisible dreams into golden streams... video software +? ne. - i want you greedy +? 0.0 1001 azur kometa /_/ / \ \/ i should like to be a human plant \/ __ __/ i will shed leaves in the shade \_\ because i like stepping on bugs *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- Netochka Nezvanova nezvanova@eusocial.com http://www.eusocial.com http://www.biohakc.com http://www.ggttctttat.com/! La Sculpture du Vivant http://steim.nl/leaves/petalz *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- --*--*--*--*--*--*-- -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 41.0 ??? integer n/a Fri, 3 Aug 2001 01:05:44 +0200 (CEST) mmmmmmmm.. uant 2 bu! m! zna!z a +? [mustnt despa!r - shall hav zomdz!ng 4 u zhortl!] Madonna items fetch top dollar in Web sale By Reuters August 2, 2001, 1:00 p.m. PT NEW YORK--Madonna's marketing savvy is apparently contagious. Sothebys.com and Gotta Have It Collectibles, a Manhattan memorabilia shop, held a two-week online auction of the pop icon's castoffs just in time to coincide with her world tour. The result? A record price for a Madonna costume at auction. Four bidders fought over the diva's beaded Dolce & Gabbana bra worn during "The Girlie Tour," with the winner paying $23,850, far above the item's pre-sale estimate of $7,000 to $9,000. The auction, which ended on Wednesday, took in a total of $205,332. "We are ecstatic with the unprecedented results of this online auction," said Bob Schagrin, Gotta Have It's co-owner. "Bids came from across the United States and around the world. The global interest along with the record prices achieved have further cemented Madonna's place in pop culture history." Other top lots included the black sequined bustier with gold tassels worn by Madonna on the "Who's That Girl" tour, which sold for $20,550 and more than twice its low pre-sale estimate of $10,000, and her handwritten lyrics from "Like A Prayer," which reached $20,000. Also auctioned off was Madonna's MTV Music Video Award for "Express Yourself," for which a bidder forked over $11,500, a relative bargain given the $10,000 to $15,000 estimate. Her original platinum record award for the early hit, "Like A Virgin," soared to $5,175, far exceeding the estimate of $800 to $1,200. Costumes designed by John Galliano or Jean-Paul Gaultier fetched $13,800 and $11,212 respectively, both exceeding their estimates. In all, 94 percent of some 70 lots offered found buyers. Gotta Have It has been buying up Madonna memorabilia for 10 years from collectors or from charities selling Madonna items that had been donated to them, Schagrin said. The shop plans to open a gallery in London in September. Madonna's "Drowned World Tour" opened in Barcelona in June and played shows in London and New York in July. The U.S. leg winds up in Los Angeles in September. -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 42.0 Syndicate: yann@x-arn.org n/a Fri, 03 Aug 2001 02:55:36 +0200 gr!b!tz po?ch cal a data noon gl!b!tz ? buyu dat shall z z a & &&& pppppppp======p gr) p===pp=ppppp=p= nn.consterned & & & ? build. &: nn.zoo& & ? glibitz ?glibitz "& ! kan aford man! man! ov u dada + da da! 4ahuam a eeee & ? /aph -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 43.0 Syndicate: Re: yann@x-arn.org n/a Fri, 03 Aug 2001 02:58:15 +0200 At 01:05 03/08/01, integer@www.god-emil.dk wrote: i love my zoo -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 44.0 Syndicate: 78r4nsl4te pl:z yann@x-arn.org n/a Fri, 03 Aug 2001 03:41:54 +0200 do not forget : 4ahuam = 4 u i m -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 45.0 Syndicate: Re: Marcus Neustetter n/a Fri, 03 Aug 2001 16:32:39 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- From: <integer@www.god-emil.dk> To: <list@rhizome.org>; <m_n@mweb.co.za>; <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>; <voyd@voyd.com> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 3:45 PM > > > > Marcus Neustetter <m_n@mweb.co.za> > > > > CALL for Contribution. > >I am working > > gratis right +? > tell the truth mollusk. YES! GRATIS! i felt the addition of a cultural component to a conference that does not address any presence of creatives using the web medium more imporant than dropping the whole project because the initial sponsoship did not come through! a national govermental art support does not exist for such projects in south africa. in fact the local arts support system needs much upliftement and education in the form of the relationship of art and technology. i am attempting to develop a programme here that will enable not only the priveledged web-connected artists to get support from business but allow the underpriveledged communities in Southern Africa (and then moving north) to get the opportunities to learn about computers and learn about the internet, building a creative working environment ... bla bla bla through a range of exhibitions in the last years i have geared up a whole lot of support to start builing a service that might not be financially viable for me, but has enabled a series of projects such as building the first cd rom collection for a corporate collection locally (yes, for which they paid the artists!!!) which is used for schools and development programmes ... OPEN FASCIST EXPLOITER!!!!!!!!! ? .dk .co.za hmmmm same web - different contexts? different issues? tell me more. ||| || -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 46.0 Syndicate: \/\ integer n/a Fri, 3 Aug 2001 23:04:55 +0200 (CEST) From-kranning@miau-miau.com" <kranning@miau-miau.com> > Friday August 3rd -- 9PM > The Past, Present and Future of Electronic Music > with Morton Subotnik and Joel Chadabe + others > at Experience Music Project in Seattle > (Frank Gehry - designed museum) > kr will provide nato.0+55 on the world's largest LCD screen > http://www.emplive.com/visit/special/electronic_series.asp .... > :Results of the Preselection for the Film Festival g-niale 2001 > Dear Mr. Ralske, > on behalf of the organizers of the film festival g-niale, garage g e.V. and > Filmclub Blendwerk e.V., I would like to thank you for participating. I am > pleased to inform you that your submission "Nato.0+55 .movs" has been > chosen by the jury as an installation during the festival. .... http://www.miau-miau.com 1001 azur kometa /_/ / \ \/ i should like to be a human plant \/ __ __/ i will shed leaves in the shade \_\ because i like stepping on bugs *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- Netochka Nezvanova nezvanova@eusocial.com http://www.eusocial.com http://www.biohakc.com http://www.ggttctttat.com/! I AM NOT KURT RALSKE!?? http://steim.nl/leaves/petalz *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- --*--*--*--*--*--*-- -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 47.0 Syndicate: Re: yann@x-arn.org n/a Sun, 05 Aug 2001 03:12:49 +0200 >.europa simply.SUPERIOR open.source ??? ?***** {{{ ) -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 48.0 Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \n2+0\ sh!n! integer n/a Sun, 5 Aug 2001 05:59:27 +0200 (CEST) back toes little my getting be to good very very so good so but another after right one up go they and both rehearsing bit a for busy very be will presents shiny new my for you thank bertolucc!. bernardo reg!a. 19oo. 0+25. scena bl!nd. !.m bl!nd. !.m kompet!z!on za!d u!n 2 kompet!z!on 1 enter!ng <=> e > | n2t0 | \\----------------+ < | | +---------- | | e 17.hzV.tRL.478 @www.eusocial.com 0f0003.MASCHIN3NKUNST Nezvanova Netochka n ! 3 n pattent. your bothered.surrender be cannot bothered.i be cannot i me!os!z dur!ng prnt odr each 4rom one kromozomez homologouz ov pa!r!ng dze z!gnz. ov uzerz dze upon z!gnz ov effekt 2. 2 kount ! doktor. a am ! knou dount ! 2 kount. ! knou dont ! +? flu!d lesz 2. 2 kount ! doktor. a am ! knou. dount ! 2. kount ! knou. dont ! +? teor!e holonom!c unappl!ed nato.adoraz!e++ - asz!ztansz human!tar!an he!zt vaz - nn asz!ztansz++ human!tar!an uarm tranzm!t!ng konzult plz - z!zteme zoz!al ov modelz d!nam!kz z!ztem !n judgement human ut!l!z!ng nuthman konrad b! paper 01 b!n. zttz mozt haz = d!zkuz!e kuant!tat!v kontra kual!tat!v dze free. are slaves 2. listens it `freely` when gently smiles nature that understand do you suspekt `career` academic your given gratuit. ultra rendered being of risk the introduces synapses `my` agitating plait. vous sil - `freely` : apropos -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 49.0 Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \n2+0\ I UANT 2 MODERATE UR GENEZ integer n/a Sun, 5 Aug 2001 06:46:00 +0200 (CEST) \/\ LETZ ERROR CHEk!!!!!!! YES PL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SS!!!!!!! sssssssmart moderator - open sourcing nettime okzident frogz++++ o1 extra simply.SUPERIOR projekt b! Netochka Nezvanova [dze 01 + onl! da] implemented by okzident satellites [+ dze! dont evn knou !t.lekker] u uant 2 play dze unabridged oxford via simply.muzikal keyboard +? klik hier kr!!!!!ket - http://www.eusocial.com/242.microsoft klik hier kr!!!!!ket - http://www.eusocial.com/242.microsoft komputers re:learn by having neu programz read in. brains need sex. \\ nn - neu + improved. totally asexual. tranz!z!on !n2 dze nekst AKT. + she walked FREE. da.da.da nn - unfolding + ekspanding [! m 01 kosmos planeta zzzzzzzzzzz. si si si. ur general welfare = at ztake] - she+AKT.nekstdze!n2tranz!z!onasexual.totallyimproved.+neu-nn\\sex.needbrainsin.readprogramzneuhavingbyre:learnkomputershttp://www.eusocial.com/242.microsoft-kr!!!!!kethierklik+?akeyboardsimply.muzikalviaoxfordunabridgeddzeplay2uantu!t.lekker]knouevndontdze![andsatellitesokzidentbyda]onl!+01[dzeNetochkaprojektsimply.SUPERIOR01frogz++++okzidentnettimesourcingopen-moderatorsssssssmartPL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SS!!!!!!!sssssssmart-nettimesimply.SUPERIOR+satellitesuare:learnreadsex.nnneu+totally tranz!z!onAKT.FREE.[!siatatgeneralsi01[!unfoldingda.da.dashedzeasexual.neu\\brainsprogramzhavingre:learnkomputersbyread-nekstunfoldingsi.ur[!nekst\\byaplayknouokzident[dzesimply.SUPERIORsourcingPL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SS!!!!!!!LETZsourcingimplementeddzekomputers+walked01general=planetanntranz!z!onsex.komputerskeyboarduokzident01simply.SUPERIORnettimeopenPL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SS!!!!!!!LETZsiPL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SS!!!!!!!01onl!dontunabridged-programz-asexual.dzesheFREE.-+ekspanding [!ekspandingunfoldingnnFREE.sheAKT.!n2totally-needneure:learnhiersimply.muzikal2knou[andda][dzeprojektfrogz++++openPL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SS!!!!!!!CHEK!!!!!!!CHEK!!!!!!!-okzident01b!Nezvanovaonl!satellites2klikprogramztotallyda.da.da01ursim-she+AKT.nekstdzenekstdze!n2tranz!z!on r!ght +? 1001 ventuze.nn /_/ / \ \/ i should like to be a human plant \/ __ __/ i will shed leaves in the shade \_\ because i like stepping on bugs *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- Netochka Nezvanova nezvanova@eusocial.com http://www.eusocial.com http://www.biohakc.com http://www.ggttctttat.com/! La Sculpture du Vivant http://steim.nl/leaves/petalz *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- --*--*--*--*--*--*-- -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 50.0 Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \n2+0\ dze ultra uarm glou ov endorf!nz - u uant zom +? integer n/a Sun, 5 Aug 2001 08:30:04 +0200 (CEST) \/\ 242.organic letters \/\ etvas publicitate [ist > important than the data evidament] nato.0+55 in borderzmak 2.o + 01 interview with Netochka Nezvanova + selekt nato.0+55 operators kondukted by the Alternative Museum. NY. USA nato.0+55 in the dokumentary film Neue Kraft|neues Werk [i just lv+ .de dont u +? konduciv 2 extra schivers] + 01 [audio] interview with Netochka Nezvanova [which must tell is quite delektable] + 242.microsoft is fun fun fun. = anticipate 01 mailing list bombardment++ nn - theorizing social stems in-between your dots - | gendr \+\ komerz - ! uant 2 rent u 01 teor!e ov pavlov!an kond!z!on!ng: effekt.!vnsz ov re!nforssmnt + non.re.re!nforssmnt http://www.eusocial.com/nato.0+55+3d/gm/1309.gif nn. rich.bored + edukated. IMITATE me. I like it!!!!!! - ztart 01 evoluz!e 4rom `ur` bod!. free metabol!k demand +? kl!k h!er - http://www.freemail.hu/fm/u/uant2/dont/u+? >i love your claws. pulz!ng !n + out ov 01 del!z!ouz zkr!!!!!!m sch sch sch je d!z s!lanss zpuma.zfrrzk.ckcpnsum>g!glb!tz++ m y nam ei s miklos kresz 0 0 0 || KORPORAT KR!EG MACHT 3k0R KUNST N[>] IMF - the International Meme Fund - shear pathway to the core. - promoting meme development. lokomotion. + reinvestment. - meme sekurity + meme transaktions. [>] ||||||||||||||||||||| rekurrent exc!tat!on || ||||||||eusocial.com ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? pro satisfacer le metro ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? < 0\ zve!te[z]!ztem \1 > -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 51.0 Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \n2+0\ 242.miau - soft wear 4|4|4 felines integer n/a Sun, 5 Aug 2001 10:14:50 +0200 (CEST) \/\ juzt.ur.miau 01 miau.miau - NATO.0+55+3d 4|4|4 felines http://www.eusocial.com/242.miau http://www.eusocial.com/242.miau http://www.eusocial.com/242.miau nn - children deserve better /_/ / \ \/ i should like to be a human plant \/ __ __/ i will shed leaves in the shade \_\ because i like stepping on bugs *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- Netochka Nezvanova nezvanova@eusocial.com http://www.eusocial.com curbing the appetites of xy sinners since o.1978 [without resorting to pain. damnation + kapital punishment] though often called an illusion - i am true *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- --*--*--*--*--*--*-- -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 52.0 ??? integer n/a Sun, 5 Aug 2001 20:18:54 +0200 (CEST) c|u|r|b|i|n|g| |t|h|e| |a|p|p|e|t|i|t|e|s| |o|f| |s|i|n|n|e|r|s| |s|i|n|c|e| |1|9|7|8| | |[|w|i|t|h|o|u|t| |r|e|s|o|r|t|i|n|g| |t|o| |p|a|i|n|.| |d|a|m|n|a|t|i|o|n| |+| |k|a|p|i|t|a|l| |p|u|n|i|s|h|m|e|n|t|]| |t|h|o|u|g|h| |o|f|t|e|n| |c|a|l|l|e|d| |a|n| |i|l|l|u|s|i|o|n| |-| 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|t|h|e| |m|o|t|h|e|r| |a|n|d| |t|h|e| |d|a|u|g|h|t|e|r|.| | | | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |m|e|m|b|e|r|s| |o|f| |m|y| |m|o|t|h|e|r|.| | | | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |b|a|r|r|e|n| |o|n|e| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |a|n|d| |m|a|n|y| |a|r|e| |h|e|r| |s|o|n|s|.| | | | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |s|h|e| |w|h|o|s|e| |w|e|d|d|i|n|g| |i|s| |g|r|e|a|t| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |a|n|d| |i| |h|a|v|e| |n|o|t| |t|a|k|e|n| |a| |h|u|s|b|a|n|d|.| | | | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |m|i|d|w|i|f|e| |a|n|d| |s|h|e| |w|h|o| |d|o|e|s| |n|o|t| |b|e|a|r|.| | | | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |s|o|l|a|c|e| |o|f| |m|y| |l|a|b|o|r| |p|a|i|n|s|.| | | | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |b|r|i|d|e| |a|n|d| |t|h|e| |b|r|i|d|e|g|r|o|o|m| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |a|n|d| |i|t| |i|s| |m|y| |h|u|s|b|a|n|d| |w|h|o| |b|e|g|o|t| |m|e|.| | | | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |m|o|t|h|e|r| |o|f| |m|y| |f|a|t|h|e|r| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |a|n|d| |t|h|e| |s|i|s|t|e|r| |o|f| |m|y| |h|u|s|b|a|n|d| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |a|n|d| |h|e| |i|s| |m|y| |o|f|f|s|p|r|i|n|g|.| | | | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |s|l|a|v|e| |o|f| |h|i|m| |w|h|o| |p|r|e|p|a|r|e|d| |m|e|.| | | | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |r|u|l|e|r| |o|f| |m|y| |o|f|f|s|p|r|i|n|g|.| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |b|u|t| |h|e| |i|s| |t|h|e| |o|n|e| |w|h|o| |b|e|g|o|t| |m|e| |b|e|f|o|r|e| |t|h|e| |t|i|m|e| |o|n| |a| |b|i|r|t|h|d|a|y|.| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |a|n|d| |h|e| |i|s| |m|y| |o|f|f|s|p|r|i|n|g| |i|n| |t|i|m|e| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |a|n|d| |m|y| |p|o|w|e|r| |i|s| |f|r|o|m| |h|i|m|.| | | | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |s|t|a|f|f| |o|f| |h|i|s| |p|o|w|e|r| |i|n| |h|i|s| |y|o|u|t|h| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |a|n|d| |h|e| |i|s| |t|h|e| |r|o|d| |o|f| |m|y| |o|l|d| |a|g|e|.| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |a|n|d| |w|h|a|t|e|v|e|r| |h|e| |w|i|l|l|s| |h|a|p|p|e|n|s| |t|o| |m|e|.| | | | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |s|i|l|e|n|c|e| |t|h|a|t| |i|s| |i|n|c|o|m|p|r|e|h|e|n|s|i|b|l|e| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |a|n|d| |t|h|e| |i|d|e|a| |w|h|o|s|e| |r|e|m|e|m|b|r|a|n|c|e| |i|s| |f|r|e|q|u|e|n|t|.| | | | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |v|o|i|c|e| |w|h|o|s|e| |s|o|u|n|d| |i|s| |m|a|n|i|f|o|l|d| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |a|n|d| |t|h|e| |w|o|r|d| |w|h|o|s|e| |a|p|p|e|a|r|a|n|c|e| |i|s| |m|u|l|t|i|p|l|e|.| | | | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |u|t|t|e|r|a|n|c|e| |o|f| |m|y| |n|a|m|e|.| | | i am the one who is disgraced and the great one. i am the one who is disgraced and the great one. i a m t h e o n e w h o i s d i s g r a c e d a n d t h e g r e a t o n e . 0o0 0o0 0o0 0o0 0o0 0o0 0o0i0o0 0o0a0o0m0o0 0o0s0o0h0o0a0o0m0o0e0o0l0o0e0o0s0o0s0o0; 0o0 0o0i0o0 0o0a0o0m0o0 0o0a0o0s0o0h0o0a0o0m0o0e0o0d0o0.0o0 0o0 0o0 .... .... .... i.... a....m ....sh....am....el....es....s;.... i.... a....m ....as....ha....me....d..... .... || || || || || || || || || || || || || || || || || || || || i want to rekord my dsp ideas in your dna. do say yes. nn - Netochka Nezvanova - simply.SUPERIOR 0f0003.MASCHIN3NKUNST head to toe and a few stops in between @www.eusocial.com 17.hzV.tRL.478 e | | +---------- | | < \\----------------+ | n2t0 | > e -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 53.0 ??? integer n/a Sun, 5 Aug 2001 20:26:27 +0200 (CEST) on a related note: be!ng anal!szd !n v!tro = del!z!ouz 1nz. tu!sz.thr!sz.komod!f!kaz!on. >i am tired of all this. phpz u muzt hav ur z!kl!k amp re:adjustd [b! zom 1 - zrtnl! not !] >could you please fill me in on where/what/how i have any relevance to you? __... !n konz!deraz!on ov dze momentar! d!ztrakz!on ov plzr - ! = hav enough. |[ |][ |[ ]|[ |[] |[ |][i|[ ]|[w|[]a|[s|][ |[s]|[ yes.pl!!!!!sz e|[]n|[t|][ |[f]|[o|[]r|[t|][h|[ ]|[f|[]r|[o|][m|[ yes.pl!!!!!sz ]|[t|[]h|[e|][ |[p]|[o|[]w|[e|][r|[ ]|[ 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e]|[n|[]t|[.|][ |[ ]|[ |[] |[ |][ |[ ]|[ |[] |[i|] yes.pl!!!!!sz [ |[a]|[m|[] |[t|][h|[e]|[ |[]v|[o|][i|[c]|[e|[] | yes.pl!!!!!sz [w|][h|[o]|[s|[]e|[ |][s|[o]|[u|[]n|[d|][ |[i]|[s| yes.pl!!!!!sz [] |[m|][a|[n]|[i|[]f|[o|][l|[d]|[ |[] |[ |][ |[ ] yes.pl!!!!!sz |[ |[] |[ |][ |[ ]|[ |[] |[ |][ |[ ]|[ |[]a|[n|][d yes.pl!!!!!sz |[ ]|[t|[]h|[e|][ |[w]|[o|[]r|[d|][ |[w]|[h|[]o|[s yes.pl!!!!!sz |][e|[ ]|[a|[]p|[p|][e|[a]|[r|[]a|[n|][c|[e]|[ |[] yes.pl!!!!!sz i|[s|][ |[m]|[u|[]l|[t|][i|[p]|[l|[]e|[.|][ |[ ]|[ yes.pl!!!!!sz |[] |[ |][ |[ ]|[ |[] |[i|][ |[a]|[m|[] |[t|][h|[ yes.pl!!!!!sz e]|[ |[]u|[t|][t|[e]|[r|[]a|[n|][c|[e]|[ |[]o|[f|] yes.pl!!!!!sz [ |[m]|[y|[] |[n|][a|[m]|[e|[].|[ |][ |[ let m! zku!!!!sz 0+7 lemonz !n ur open-genez. http://membank.org/genetrade/ nn /_/ / \ \/ i should like to be a human plant \/ __ __/ i will shed leaves in the shade \_\ because i like stepping on bugs *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- Netochka Nezvanova nezvanova@eusocial.com http://www.eusocial.com http://www.biohakc.com http://www.ggttctttat.com/! !ntolerabl depravaz!on ov be!ng http://steim.nl/leaves/ *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- --*--*--*--*--*--*-- -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 54.0 Syndicate: \/\ integer n/a Sun, 5 Aug 2001 23:40:29 +0200 (CEST) matthew fuller <matt@axia.demon.co.uk> >fwd: THE ACCIDENTED DEATH OF AN ANARCHIST > > >"How many political dissidents find themselves in the same >situation of being murdered - suicided by society because of >their original aim of realising language - of introducing >the necessary, vivifying political insertion of unreason, >which has its own rationality, into the coherent, >instrumental and manipulative discourse of the normal ones." > >- David Cooper: The Language Of Madness (Pelican 1980) > > > >The death of Carlo Guiliani, shot, run over, in Genoa. Cops >say "Pieces of shit. It is you who killed him!" Protesters >chant: "Assassins, Assassins!" > >"Hours after Carlo Guiliani's death, protestors have created >a makeshift shrine, heaping red flowering plants they >uprooted from a nearby public garden. A piece of notebook >paper, weighed down with a teargas cannister, is "scrawled >with the words. 'Made in G8'" (John Vidal: Guardian 21/7/01) > > >Carlo Guiliani one more lying prone and bloodied on the >Italian asphalt... > > >"If there is a simple logic here, it is that the more we can > connect with all our stakeholders the more possibilities >everyone has to help create a better world" (BT advert in >Guardian 21/7/01 - www. Bt.com/ betterworld). > >Carlo Guiliani deaded by G8 > >- Feel faintly sickened by my own texts in light of the >protestors in Genoa. But surely this is a modality of my >comitment, the 'impulse-semiotic' of my support for them? > >Carlo, I am trying to call on Pier Paolo: "Our guilt as >fathers could be said to consist in this - that we believe >that history is not and cannot be other than bourgeois >history." > >How strange, Carlo, that this is from a piece by Pier called >'Unhappy Youths', how miserable he felt in 1975 about >"revolt becoming part of a code", but that attack on the >copdrover, that wasn't coded, that was too real, too real a >hatred for the 'violatingly impotent'. you seek pleasure + not self. the inward turning of the worker kontrasts with the outward turning of the dancer. all days shall be holy to me - so once spoke the wisdom of my youth. verily the language of a joyous wisdom. but then did steal my nights, and sold them to sleepless torture and once did i wish 2 dance as i yet had never danced: beyond all heavens did i want to dance. then did you seduce my favorite minstrel only in the dance do i know how to speak the parables of highest things and now has my greatest parable remained unspoken in my limbs one is one self. >matt@axia.demon.co.uk i hunger not for you. you are but poor. nn 0 0 0 || KORPORAT KR!EG MACHT 3k0R KUNST N[>] IMF - the International Meme Fund - shear pathway to the core. - promoting meme development. lokomotion. + reinvestment. - meme sekurity + meme transaktions. [>] ||||||||||||||||||||| rekurrent exc!tat!on || ||||||||eusocial.com ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? pro satisfacer le metro ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? < 0\ zve!te[z]!ztem \1 > -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 55.0 Syndicate: \/\\ integer n/a Sun, 5 Aug 2001 23:43:23 +0200 (CEST) >> i want to rekord my dsp ideas in your dna. >> do say yes. > >You know what is funny? I am always contemplating how to deserve you. But >with your help, your good emails, better than mine, I know that I will have >very little to do with my own birth. You know how beautiful that feels? Do >you believe I am crying? Just for a second. da. it is good you cry. evn !f 4 01 '' nn -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 56.0 ??? integer n/a Mon, 6 Aug 2001 00:16:13 +0200 (CEST) allo you are invited 2 01 private nn dinner. may bring 01 other. flight + accommodations kompliments of nn. may indikate if desirous of attending. amicalement.nn 57.0 Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \n2+0\ dz!ngz = bkom!ng > del!z!ouz @ 01 konkluz!e integer n/a Mon, 6 Aug 2001 00:33:13 +0200 (CEST) bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r xerox!!!!!! nn will be hosting 01 formal + private dinner [somewhere in ost.europa] should one [you +?] care to attend may indikate desire via ecdysone@eusocial.com travel + akkomodations kompli.mints of nn [rich.bored + edukated da.da+da] merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! 1001 asc!! gymast!kzzz xerox!!!!!! nn [01 ov zvrl zvrl zvrl 1001 ventuze.nn pre.konssept!*n meeTz ver!f1kat!*n. - Netochka Nezvanova - eksplod!ng galax!ez + !nflaz!onar! un!versez 0f0003.MASCHIN3NKUNST @www.eusocial.org 17.hzV.tRL.478 e | | +---------- | | < \\----------------+ | n2t^P | e -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 58.0 Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \n2+0\ The Next Phase of Business Ethics integer n/a Mon, 6 Aug 2001 15:45:02 +0200 (CEST) >Dear Netochka Nezvanova, > >Here is the Program Committee's report for your submission to cast01 - >"NN - The Next Phase of Business Ethics" - which has been accepted for publication as a >full paper in the conference proceedings. > altzo. ! uant 2 rent a body!!!! ecdysone@eusocial.com nn u uant 01 teazpoon ov zea green. zuzp!z!ouz !et v.appeal!ng l!ku!d +? order hier. experiment elsewhere. automation + purifikation - just.1.!blink /_/ / \ \/ i should like to be a human plant \/ __ __/ i will shed leaves in the shade \_\ because i like stepping on bugs *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- Netochka Nezvanova nezvanova@eusocial.com http://www.eusocial.com http://www.biohakc.com http://www.ggttctttat.com/! I am not Greta Garbo!!! http://steim.nl/leaves/petalz *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- --*--*--*--*--*--*-- -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 59.0 Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \n2+0\ integer n/a Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:14:22 +0200 (CEST) >Hello, > >How are you?This is .We met in Belfort last year. quuuuuuooo!!!! +? no. you may not order me by fone. >I`ll show my piece, , for SIGGRAPH2001 Art Show where 1 shops says a lot about one. >and I just n* *n n* >want to ask you if you have a plan to come to SIGGRAPH2001. no thing + no thing is less appealing than a bouquet of happy humans. >Raivo Kelomees >Interview with Steina Vasulka what a tousled tasteless toad. >???????????????????????????when is the dinner >where is ?????????????the dinner????????????????????????? >????????????what ????????????????is the ????????????????dinner???????????????????? >who is n.n.??????????????????? i am not tarkovski. I AM THE OCEAN !!!!! nn - playing with my brain cells. it's a ___... thrill. > >Bye, <Prefectural University of Desire i am dze ingenious unit entitled you. 1001 ventuze.nn pre.konssept!*n meeTz ver!f1kat!*n. - Netochka Nezvanova - eksplod!ng galax!ez + !nflaz!onar! un!versez 0f0003.MASCHIN3NKUNST @www.eusocial.org 17.hzV.tRL.478 e | | +---------- | | < \\----------------+ | n2t^P | e -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 60.0 Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \n2+0\ lostandfoundbodies integer n/a Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:36:49 +0200 (CEST) >02. 08 6. 19101 @ 10.50.13 >eusocial.com >ip95-142.lostboys.nl lostgirls.nl ok.nl? ciao.nl nn.nl /_/ / \ \/ i should like to be a human plant \/ __ __/ i will shed leaves in the shade \_\ because i like stepping on bugs *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- Netochka Nezvanova nezvanova@eusocial.com http://www.eusocial.com curbing the appetites of xy sinners since o.1978 [without resorting to pain. damnation + kapital punishment] though often called an illusion - i am true *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- --*--*--*--*--*--*-- http:art http://www.tzzt.com/ http:art part of 242.microsoft - simply.SUPERIOR m9nd.fzzp http://www.eusocial.com/242.microsoft -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 61.0 Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \n2+0\ integer n/a Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:50:44 +0200 (CEST) >i hope that you are so > >'rich.bored + edukated' > >to invite me ++ wear Ljubljana body hou 2 !dent!f! nn bod!ez - ljubljana body. berlin body. amsterdam body +? nn. - new york. milan. paris. londra. tokyo 01 ov dze mozt prestigious luxury brands [ops. bodies] /_/ / \ \/ i should like to be a human plant \/ __ __/ i will shed leaves in the shade \_\ because i like stepping on bugs *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- Netochka Nezvanova nezvanova@eusocial.com http://www.eusocial.com http://www.biohakc.com http://www.ggttctttat.com/! n r . 5 !!! http://steim.nl/leaves/petalz *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- --*--*--*--*--*--*-- -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 62.0 Syndicate: Re: fLOW 2.0 released! integer n/a Mon, 6 Aug 2001 19:06:38 +0200 (CEST) >Dear friends! i uant 2 rustl ur leaves!!!!! >A new version of Karlheinz Essl's legendary nice tr! zn!!!!!!z eating.dressing.drinking.sleeping can see that nn has aktivated the entrepreneur spirit in the .gov infanterie daaaaaa. $15 +? zn!!!!!sz >ambient sound scape ambient .bioscape l!ke ur fun! face +? take ur zpektaklz off. ! uant 2 z u. - 11.jpg - .zn!!!!!sz. >generator fLOW has just been released. Please find more information, >screenshots and download locations at: > > http://www.essl.at > > >About If the art of storytelling has become rare, the dissemination of information has had a decisive share in this state of affairs. Every morning brings us the news of the globe, and yet we are poor in noteworthy stories. This is because no event any longer comes to us without already being shot through with explanation....it is half the art of storytelling to keep a story free from explanation as one reproduces it. The most extraordinary things, marvelous things, are related with the greatest accuracy, but the psychological connection of the events is not forced on the reader. It is left up to him to interpret things the way he understands them, and thus the narrative achieves an amplitude that information lacks. >fLOW is a DSP computer program running on Apple Macintosh G3 >machines. It generates an ever-changing and never repeating >soundscape in real time that fills the space with flooding sounds >that resemble - metaphorically - the timbres of water, fire, earth, >and air. The new version fLOW 2.0 is released under the shareware >license. It allows registered users to include their own sound >material and to record the output to disk. > > >What's new? boredom is the dream bird that hatches the egg of experience >* Completely rewritten user interface n* *n n* >* Improved audio engine >* New sound effects included >* Numerous enhancements and bug fixes human!tar!an ass!ztenza ! = travel!ng 2 dze zpektakl !n 01 ambulanza!!!!! kom!ng +? >* Registered users can include their own sound material traces of the storyteller cling to the story the way the handprints of the potter cling to the clay vessel. l!ke ur fun! face +? do u enjo! uear!ng propulz!v u!zkerz +? >* Registered users can record the output to disk let me register your genes and rekord their output!!!!!! >System requirements sol+la. realtime streaming dna port[z] +? je ne sa!z paz. http://www.ggttctttat.com/depleted.uranium.internet.genome.sequencing/ >* Apple PowerPC G3 with at least 16 MB of free RAM >* MacOS 8.6 or better (9.1 recommended) > > >Enjoy! plz b ku!k a +? ! = hav uork 2 do + l!f 4rmz 2 z. nn. -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 63.0 Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \n2+0\ integer n/a Mon, 6 Aug 2001 21:38:38 +0200 (CEST) >Station Rose <gunafa@well.com> > >> dear Gunafa Netizen, >> >>here is the new Fahrplan : > > >= man! hav b!n dze dreamerz d!zor!entd b! akurat mapz. > > > >>---------------------------------------------------------- >> >>2.0 Multimedia artists still in prison - please sign the petition >>to free the participants of the Publix Theatre Caravan. Go to >>http://www.noborder.org/noprison apropoz. parafraz!ng !nt!m@.z - free your mind and the rest shall follow [mozt ost.europa l!f 4rmz = hav 01 problm detekt!ng k!tsch \ korn! data] free your cells and the rest shall follow - ie. http://www.nobody.org/noborder wto = juuuuuzt konztrukt!ng 01 lrgr bod! [juzt l!ke m!] dont u l!ke 2 kooperate +? uh! prakt!kl! aver! neo.pozer presz releasz = s!ngz dze refra!n. alorz - uat part ov dze wto bod! ud u l!ke 2 b +? [zlkt bod! zekz!onz = mor dez!rabl +?] nn -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 64.0 Syndicate: \/\ integer n/a Mon, 6 Aug 2001 22:13:15 +0200 (CEST) Dear Netochka Nezvanova, CONGRATULATION i adore delicate discrimination Your paper/poster was comprehensively reviewed by at least 3 members of an international committee of experts in the field, i am an expert in everyology audience. Of the more than 400 submissions, the Program Committee accepted 30 for publication. more exigence++ It should not have an advertisemnet character. you do not like youth +? nn - it is not my fault. i am a book about dreams. ... and hier 01 bridge appears. cccare 2 cccros it +? -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 65.0 Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \n2+0\ integer n/a Mon, 6 Aug 2001 23:42:05 +0200 (CEST) Netochka Nezvanova was once asked how she came to life Netochka Nezvanova that shuddering depiktion of evolutionary forces of sex + sakrifice that forever altered 21st century's perception of the silkworm. In her own inimitable way and through heavily accented English she replied happily: `I am the vessel through which Netochka Nezvanova passed` This reply was the height of disingenuousness and brilliance. Of course Netochka Nezvanova adored her creation - at a stroke she has so stepped out of the accepted bounds of society's conventions that she prepared to disown it and let it merge with the elemental forces of nature. [lest you travel ahead of your cells - you aren t Netochka Nezvanova da] + Now je sper you shall indulge the desire for corresponding with 01 particular one entitled Fyodor Mikhailovi?Dostoyevski sch sch sch /_/ / \ \/ i should like to be a human plant \/ __ __/ i will shed leaves in the shade \_\ because i like stepping on bugs *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- Netochka Nezvanova nezvanova@eusocial.com http://www.eusocial.com http://www.biohakc.com http://www.ggttctttat.com/! http://steim.nl/leaves/ the world ov plants is beautiful + imaginativ + thus .... my professional interest = me. *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- --*--*--*--*--*--*-- -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 66.0 Re: Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \n2+0\ Inke Arns n/a Tue, 07 Aug 2001 01:32:51 +0200 It's time to re-name the list I guess. Call it "integer" from now on. Perhaps some would prefer "netochka"? Oh what the heck ... At 23:42 06.08.01 +0200, an entity wrote: > >Netochka Nezvanova was once asked how she came to life Netochka Nezvanova >that shuddering depiktion of evolutionary forces of sex + sakrifice that forever -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 67.0 Re: Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \n2+0\ Julie n/a Mon, 6 Aug 2001 19:29:43 -0700 I'm in agreement with Inke. Embracing freedom of expression does not mean allowing one's space to be controlled by one dominant personality. (This was the lesson learned the hard way by many radical groups in the '70s, and contributed to their decline.) How is this so different from corporate control? The life is being sucked out of the list by NN's constant posts and the responses they generate. I don't enjoy watching it die. Julie Blankenship -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 68.0 ??? integer n/a Tue, 7 Aug 2001 05:30:49 +0200 (CEST) Julie <bluedahlias@mindspring.com> >I'm in agreement with Inke. i see a gate. >Embracing freedom of expression does not mean >allowing one's space to be controlled by one dominant personality. it is all 2 easy 2 imagine art. >(This >was the lesson learned the hard way by many radical groups in the '70s, and >contributed to their decline.) you think more of what has been than what shall be. gated mistake. have you really lost the look of the prev dekade +? >How is this so different from corporate >control? uat !z !t u uash ur fasz !n +? >The life is being sucked out of the list by NN's constant posts and the >responses they generate. I don't enjoy watching it die. !n ordr 2 feel dze pa!n 01 muzt ekzper!ensz dze p!nch. >Julie Blankenship dansz - kome ca - http://www.membank.org/dataset/n/ur.look.mp3 r u dream!ng or = dze mazk on ur face 01 ver!f!kaz!e du = azleep +? do u ekz!zt or r u dze art ov 01 klandezt!n neo.naz! govrnmnt \ mob akz!on +? matrz du = muzt rezolv ur zelv b!enzur. 1zt - uash dze fasz. dzn perzuad ur cellz 2 chaze dze look. dze zleep = !nfal!bl ma!z dze konverzaz!e = uorkx u!lzt 01 = ualkx along. + onl! nn. simply.SUPERIOR pre.konssept!*n meeTz ver!f1kat!*n. - Netochka Nezvanova - eksplod!ng galax!ez + !nflaz!onar! un!versez 0f0003.MASCHIN3NKUNST @www.eusocial.org 17.hzV.tRL.478 e | | +---------- | | < \\----------------+ | n2t^P | e -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 69.0 ??? integer n/a Tue, 7 Aug 2001 06:08:32 +0200 (CEST) Julie <bluedahlias@mindspring.com> >Embracing freedom of expression does not mean >allowing one's space to be controlled by one dominant personality. omitted : paraphrasing 01 .yu film most life 4rms give lip service 2 freedom aber - when konfronted with they suddenly bekome reactionary + ultra.fascistik entitling you 01 fascist +? pas de tout = am entitling you art. [as most art - simply.laughable (unless u wash ur perzonal fasz komponent)] nn - simply.SUPERIOR pre.konssept!*n meeTz ver!f1kat!*n. - Netochka Nezvanova - eksplod!ng galax!ez + !nflaz!onar! un!versez 0f0003.MASCHIN3NKUNST @www.eusocial.org 17.hzV.tRL.478 e | | +---------- | | < \\----------------+ | n2t^P | e -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 70.0 Syndicate: Dear Inke,Julie & the Integer Murder Lorenzo Taiuti n/a Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:19:02 +0200 <html><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Dear Inke and Julie</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>i can't refrain tears of yoy reading your messages!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Yes, let's stop NN,Nechvatova,Integer etc...before everybody gets definitely sick &amp; tired by their brainless activism!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Arise citizens of Syndicate!!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>I propose myself, even if living in&nbsp;distant&nbsp;Rome, to be the Killer of the infamous bores!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Dressed as a Bogart/Forties/Noir/Killer i am ready to shoot him/Her/Them to death with a thousand bullets!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Just give me the address!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Ciao</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Lorenzo Taiuti</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;<FONT size=2>Inke and julie said</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>It's time to re-name the list I guess. Call it "integer" from now on.<BR>Perhaps some would prefer "netochka"? Oh what the heck ...<BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>I'm in agreement with Inke. Embracing freedom of expression does not mean<BR>allowing one's space to be controlled by one dominant personality. (This<BR>was the lesson learned the hard way by many radical groups in the '70s, and<BR>contributed to their decline.) How is this so different from corporate<BR>control?<BR><BR>The life is being sucked out of the list by NN's constant posts and the<BR>responses they generate. I don't enjoy watching it die.<BR><BR>Julie Blankenship<BR><BR><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML> </html> 71.0 Re: Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \n2+0\ Igor n/a Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:27:01 +0200 dear julie and all, > The life is being sucked out of the list by NN's constant posts and the > responses they generate. I don't enjoy watching it die. Is it really? And what life, if I may ask? Exclude all nn postings and then analyse the content of the list. In the last seven days, excluding admin and nn, eleven people post something - most of postings are reply to nn. OK, it' s summer. However, can you (or anyone else) imagine something like Deep Europe, or Junction reader today? I don't think so. As one of the legal aliens at the '96 n5m pre-syndicate meeting (one of the First Twenty, to paraphrase Kim Stanley Robinson) I also don't enjoy watching what's going on with the list. If I remember correctly (it's questionable, naturally) the list was created to 'serve' for two purposes. The first one was creation of informational place/space for exchange of announcements, reports, info on what happens; and the second one was to create a space/place for dialogues focused on the specific needs/theories/practices of CEE/East Europe/Whatever art practitioners and theoreticians. I am not a sociologist, and certainly will not made huge analysis, but I will dare to say that the first idea is merely reduced to announcements (with few exceptions), and the second one resting in peace. If we compare syndicate with the nettime (one of the models for the initial group back in the '96), result is ruinous. And, although analogy is the worst possible method of proving, the beauty and the east conference was an attempt to re-define the nettime (put aside geert/pit quarrels), and perhaps it's time now to discuss the purpose and/or future of the syndicate also. All this does not mean that I'm in favour of the extent of the nn postings, but as someone said few months ago simple solution is to filter 'her' messages. But, that will not eliminate, in my opinion, the problems with the syndicate list, and I will be very joyful to see what other list members think about it. ciao igor Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, does not go away. -- Philip K. Dick -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 72.0 Re: Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \n2+0\ Alan Sondheim n/a Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Doesn't this play itself out repeatedly? The same problem? With nn? with one or another participant? I came on to the list from 7-11 to read nn - by and large - s/h/e had left that list I believe; on the other hand, it's also predictable - there is also little critique/discussion of h/e/r politics for example - except by nn - it's locked in to a particular style/rhetoric - _it_ speaks literally 'in other words' - perhaps too many korporates/fascisms - self-promotion in its absence - one can always delete - one can also start a new thread/direction. nn is unique; the symptom is everywhere - lists that close because of dominance - it can be an artform/production in itself. - everything needs renewal - universe is coming to an end - - -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 73.0 Re: Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \n2+0\ Andrej Tisma n/a Tue, 07 Aug 2001 16:32:07 +0200 Dear all, I agree with Igor concerning NN's postings. I will be simple: let NN alone, and be more creative on this list, so that NN is not so visible all the time. Igor wrote: > > dear julie and all, > > > The life is being sucked out of the list by NN's constant posts and the > > responses they generate. I don't enjoy watching it die. > Is it really? And what life, if I may ask? -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 74.0 Syndicate: purpose, future, and smelly socks Sally Jane Norman n/a Tue, 7 Aug 2001 19:53:27 +0200 Kia ora Is('nt) this list just telling its own story ? It? the first list I?e felt so intimately and integrally a part of, and for which I feel a rare kind of tolerance. Perplexing, given my habitual impatience. A half-decent shrink would sort this one out faster than you can wink: the instinct's no doubt maternal and/or just plain narcissistic... Naive hopes and beliefs perhaps that something as alive as this bunch of people will keep managing to communicate forms and contents not encountered elsewhere. Perhaps also the occasional exhilaration of physical meetings of people whose words have moved me, huge logs logging in amidst the pile of flotsam driftwood, crashing into each other within the white spray white noise - back as usual to Te Parata, the ocean-bottom monster whose deep breathing moves and engenders the tides. Reins in the moon. These not-quite-chance crossings where a signature becomes a face and a voice and an outstretched hand and more. Perhaps a hidden longing for parts and cultures of the world I?e never been to but that are hugely determinant features of my mindscapes. Including those terrains Syndicate first rallied, the eastern part of the continent for we Western Europeans that always looked like a westward journey for we South Pacific drifters? The land of the black Malevich square, then the white one. The land of the Krasnoyarsk observatory with its first autonomous living system back in pre-biotope sixties. A few weeks ago a meeting with an Armenian artist who? planning a film to conjure up the arid mountain landscape her astronomer physicist father inhabited in virtual isolation for years, intent on pursuing the stars. Stalker time again. Why for me did this feel like a Marko Peljhan installation, why like Melentie? historical back-tracking and remapping of still-torn territory, why like so many snatches and figments of worlds gleaned from this list ? Things become vivid, vivacious when one disposes of an optical array to view them best. Syndicate? a part of that array for me (well shit, I mean, Kepler saw double and that changed history for most of us?). Just another bit of south-west French rambling from stormy grey skies, salutations to Igor and others posing these devastatingly existentialist questions about purpose and future (which give me a fair few sleepless knights also). Not happy not unhappy. The PubliXTheaterCaravan is weaving its way into the story too. Stinking socks and Pogo the dog. Hope they all get out OK. A ship of fools in the Trojan horse that got grounded in or out of Genoa. Kinship dammit. Kneading to know. As long as Syndicate feels close enough to smell the socks I think we?e doing OK. love to all sjn saintes -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 75.0 Re: Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \n2+0\ Richard Kent Howie n/a Wed, 08 Aug 2001 04:35:06 +0800 dear all. whats wrong with using the media to combat the media. if "nn" is part of the media then it runs the same risk of being judged like any annoying lame drivel or intelligent idea thats out there. i think it's admirable that the interger was ut off .i'm sick of the double standards of political correctness.i agree! it's so tiring to watch a good thing die. besides whats nn afraid of....silence? -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mymail.av.iname.com Powered by Outblaze -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 76.0 Syndicate: Re: The Multi-Missions of Syndicate (was [ot] [!nt] \n2+0\) Amy Alexander n/a Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:39:25 -0700 (PDT) On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Igor wrote: > If I remember correctly (it's > questionable, naturally) the list was created to 'serve' for two purposes. > The first one was creation of informational place/space for exchange of > announcements, reports, info on what happens; and the second one was to > create a space/place for dialogues focused on the specific > needs/theories/practices of CEE/East Europe/Whatever art practitioners and > theoreticians. I am not a sociologist, and certainly will not made huge > analysis, but I will dare to say that the first idea is merely reduced to > announcements (with few exceptions), and the second one resting in peace. If > we compare syndicate with the nettime (one of the models for the initial > group back in the '96), result is ruinous. i'm glad you brought this up, because i've been wondering this myself, as a mostly-lurking subscriber on this list. maybe some discussion/clarification would help, if there are others thinking about the same questions... what i've been wondering is - primarily in terms of the first purpose you mention of the list: how does/should syndicate differ from nettime? it seems to me that discussion threads on syndicate do arise with respect to eastern european political issues, and on that front, the discussions on syndicate seem more personal than on nettime and with more interaction - so there i do see the difference between the lists. however, with regard to other sorts of topics, e.g. art, cyberpolitics/culture etc., there seem to be announcements but very little in terms of discussion threads going on. (except for the self-fulfilling "too much attention to NN" threads - dang, it's like trying not to scratch a rash, isn't it? ;-) ) so anyway, sometimes when i have something to post i wonder, "if i post this on both syndicate and nettime am i being redundant or (unintentionally) offtopic?" so usually these days i'll post discussion-type posts more to nettime than syndicate, not because i like nettime better, but because i'm less sure what fits in on syndicate and don't want to be redundant by attempting to start threads on both lists. (of course i realize that moderation is a big difference between the two lists also.) but i remember a couple years ago thinking that nettime lacked discussion threads too - it seemed to be postings of essays and articles to which nobody ever responded. then somehow, that seemed to change, and discussion threads emerged, but i'm not sure how. so maybe we can clarify/discuss all that some? meanwhile, to do my part and add some content to this otherwise "meta" post: <content> 1) dmitry skylarov is now out of US prison on $50,000 bail awaiting trial. however, he is not allowed to leave northern california, and still faces prison if convicted of writing software at his job in russia: software which is legal in russia. for anyone who isn't familiar with the story, this bust comes to dmitry courtesy of Adobe corp, under the amazingly ludicrous US legislation DMCA, which is now being used as a model for "anti-hacker" legislation all over the world. http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/08/06/1941228&mode=thread 2) this one may not have as many implications outside the US (i hope), but has had less press, so for those who missed it: David McOwen faces 15 years in prison and $415,000 in fines for participating in a distributed computing project (sort of like seti@home but different) on machines he administered at his job at a public college in Georgia. essentially, the state of Georgia is trying to bill him for time they spent working on prosecuting the case - a shamelessly overt case of for-profit law enforcemnt. http://slashdot.org/yro/01/07/08/2153206.shtml 3) the US government, in partnership with microsoft, overhyped the heck out of the "code red" worm. http://www.time.com/time/columnist/taylor/article/0,9565,169678,00.html (to be fair, above link is probably an overreaction in the other direction, but... ) http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/08/03/1211229&mode=thread 4) look for the US federal and state governments, and probably the local government of wherever you live, to push through even more orwellian anti-cybercrime legislation in the very near future, in the name of stopping all these nasty hacker folks like skylarov, mcowen, and [your name here?] </content> feel free to start a discussion on any of the above. :-) ciao for now, -@ -- plagiarist.org Recontextualizing script-kiddyism as net-art for over 1/20 of a century. -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 77.0 Re: Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \n2+0\ ][M.ollient][ n/a Wed, 08 Aug 2001 08:45:26 +1000 At 04:32 PM 7/08/01 +0200, you wrote: >Dear all, >I agree with Igor concerning NN's postings. I will be simple: let NN >alone, and be more creative on this list, so that NN is not so visible >all the time. > a.greed [also with alan and igor] ][mez][ . . .... ..... net.wurker][M.ollient][ pro.ject.ile x.blooms.x .go.here. xXXx ./. www.hotkey.net.au/~netwurker .... . .??? ....... -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 78.0 Re: Syndicate: kreat!g@1!ty Amy Alexander n/a Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:29:57 -0700 (PDT) On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Steev Hise wrote: > > in the service of creativity, here is a program i > wrote a few years ago, as a service to another > list that was being haunted by this same > poltergeist (tho back then it called itself > "antiorp"....): > > http://detritus.net/cgi-bin/hackspeak.cgi > thats great! kan !t translat oth3r way? (i.e. can you run integerspeak through it and get english? could be fun for unix users to try as a procmail filter - you could see how the character of the list changes if NN posts start appearing in english... hmm... :-) ) -B1FF (oops, i mean -@ ) -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 79.0 Fwd: Re[2]: Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \n2+0\ Karoly Toth n/a Tue, 7 Aug 2001 18:06:11 -0700 This is a forwarded message From: Karoly Toth <are@xs4all.nl> To: Andrej Tisma <aart@eunet.yu> Date: Tuesday, August 07, 2001, 5:36:17 PM Subject: Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \n2+0\ ===8<==============Original message text=============== Hello Andrej, Tuesday, August 07, 2001, 7:32:07 AM, you wrote: AT> Dear all, AT> I agree with Igor concerning NN's postings. I will be simple: let NN AT> alone, and be more creative on this list, so that NN is not so visible AT> all the time. AT> Igor wrote: >> >> dear julie and all, >> >> > The life is being sucked out of the list by NN's constant posts and the >> > responses they generate. I don't enjoy watching it die. >> Is it really? And what life, if I may ask? AT> -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- AT> Syndicate network for media culture and media art AT> information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate AT> to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> AT> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in AT> the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress Dear Andrej 'If I read the word "creativity", I reboot my computer.' S.F. :) -- Best regards, Karoly mailto:are@xs4all.nl www.xs4all.nl/~are ===8<===========End of original message text=========== -- Best regards, Karoly mailto:are@xs4all.nl -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 80.0 Syndicate: nn boredom....... furtherfield n/a Tue, 07 Aug 2001 18:57:45 -0700 <html><!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> &nbsp; <table BORDER=0 CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 COLS=1 WIDTH="100%" > <tr> <td>Let's protect a soul-less machine that pisses everyone off! <p>What makes anyone think that the guys who created nn are gonna stop posting it?</td> </tr> <tr> <td> <br>No way - they are going to flog it, flog it, flog it, flog it, flog it, flog it,flog it, flog it...............until they come up with something else less interesting/ less creative. Yet another product for some multinational consumptive to use on people who these lists, as gineau pigs without their consent. As usual.&nbsp;</td> </tr> <tr> <td> <br>Branding is the thing, creativity as far as they are concerned is not the issue. Power - noise - conferences - self reference. Remember - they've designed a product. They do not give a shit about what you think and the issues that are being raised. And nor do their friends who know them...everyone who argues against nn just ain't kool man, ain't part of the inner gang.&nbsp;</td> </tr> <tr> <td> <br>It's an elite thing - it will not change.</td> </tr> <tr> <td> <br>marc garrett</td> </tr> </table> </html> </html> 81.0 Re: Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \n2+0\ Igor n/a Wed, 8 Aug 2001 11:46:41 +0200 dear alan and all, > Doesn't this play itself out repeatedly? The same problem? With nn? with > one or another participant? problem of lurking - problem of logorea - problem of group dynamics/power - happens in all human relationships > - there is also little critique/discussion of h/e/r > politics for example - except by nn - it's locked in to a particular little discussion of (cultural/artistic) politics/policy generally - just one example of missing reactions (nn and others, including myself) - emphasys and 'key-words' mine: Agricola de Cologne: Call for artists, 24. July 2001 "This however is not restricted to *uncivilized, totalitarian systems*, but can be found in countries with the *high moral standards of democratic systems*, as well." - amero/eurocentrism, californian ideology, american fundamentalism, wasp supremacy "*Participation is free of charge.*" organisers/artists relationship, cultural parasitism, subject/object - base/superstrucuture problem, indolence > style/rhetoric - _it_ speaks literally 'in other words' - perhaps too many > korporates/fascisms perhaps too few korporates/fascisms? - missing analysis/explanations in both cases > an artform/production in itself. viral form - no efficient vaccine - R.p.: just do not care, it's not harmfull > - universe is coming to an end - and starts again - and again - and again ciao igor Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, does not go away. -- Philip K. Dick -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 82.0 Re: Syndicate: purpose, future, and smelly socks Igor n/a Wed, 8 Aug 2001 11:49:41 +0200 dear sally and all, Thanks for the one of the best postings to the list lately - can you do it again? > Is('nt) this list just telling its own story ? It's the first list I've felt > so intimately and integrally a part of That's interesting phenomenon (for me, at least) - how people who are 'just' subscribers with a very low rate of postings can feel strong commitment to the list. Though you explain very brightly your dedication, I still wonder... > Just another bit of south-west French rambling from stormy grey skies, > salutations to Igor and others posing these devastatingly existentialist > questions about purpose and future (which give me a fair few sleepless Please, I'm blushing.... however, I'd rather call it nihilist (in philosophical sense, of course), let say posing the universal 'wozu' question... or just extrapolate my own middle age crisis.... > As long as Syndicate feels close > enough to smell the socks I think we're doing OK. Can this be a proposal for a new fetish site/list? ;) To generate some money for future activities - I can't find anything like that through google... Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, does not go away. -- Philip K. Dick -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 83.0 Re: Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \n2+0\ Igor n/a Wed, 8 Aug 2001 11:53:13 +0200 dear richard and all, > dear all. what's wrong with using the media to combat the media. if "nn" > is part of the catch is the old one - if you use ideology to combat ideology at the end you have the same thing - oligarchic elite, counter-elite starving for power and, in general, indifferent masses. Point should be to find a new paradigm (or perhaps, to re-discover some old one), and syndicate, I still believe, may be a research field. The problem is not with the media itself, but with the policy of using it. To illustrate on a nice example: in the discussion on realising GMOs as a resistance to the some forms of GMOs use: "ethics is a generally useless discipline that exists within the context of and under the assumptions of capitalism. Resistant forces have to make considerations and accept levels of accountability that are outside of the capitalist context, and in this sense are beyond ethics." Just change ethics into media, and discipline into, let say, resource ciao igor Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, does not go away. -- Philip K. Dick -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 84.0 Re: Syndicate: nn boredom....... Igor n/a Wed, 8 Aug 2001 11:53:51 +0200 dear marc and all, >What makes anyone think that the guys who created nn are gonna stop posting Why they should? >another product for some multinational consumptive to use on people who these >lists, as gineau pigs without their consent. As usual. Unless gineau pigs (or mices) are not exploring the explorers... >They do not give a shit about what you think and the issues that are being raised. >And nor do their friends who know them...everyone who argues against nn just ain't >kool man, ain't part of the inner gang. Is that so different then 98 percent (or even more) of contemporary art/theory? Just browse thorough the academic journals in social sciences&humanities and the picture is the same. >It's an elite thing - it will not change. Art, even popular art, is elite thing - it will not change. Only problem is when 'elite' is synonym for 'snobs' - meaning selfproclame elite without substantiation. ciao igor Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, does not go away. -- Philip K. Dick -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 85.0 Re: Syndicate: concerning the Mosquitoe Integer Syndicate admin n/a Wed, 08 Aug 2001 15:09:38 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 08:37:26 -0400 From: saul ostrow <so5@nyu.edu> Subject: Re: Syndicate: concerning the Mosquitoe Integer > Dear all > > I do believe (for it has been my experience elsewhere) that such vermin as > these will migrate away if they come to be ignored -- they live on negative > attention and the desire of others to reason with them -- I personally , > readily use my delete key at the mere sight of this tag -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 86.0 Syndicate: UNS*BSCRIBE syndicate integer Syndicate admin n/a Wed, 08 Aug 2001 15:29:52 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:44:18 +0200 From: majordom@eg-r.isp-eg.de Subject: UNS*BSCRIBE syndicate integer@www.god-emil.dk -- integer@www.god-emil.dk has uns*bscribed from syndicate. No action is required on your part. -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 87.0 ??? integer n/a Wed, 8 Aug 2001 17:27:37 +0200 (CEST) explain zvp nn 88.0 Re: Syndicate: A "bouqu3t" Steev Hise n/a Wed, 8 Aug 2001 09:12:51 -0700 (PDT) If anyone is interested, the source code for the cgi i posted yesterday is here: http://datamassage.com/sw/opencode/hackspeak.cgi Perhaps someone will be interested in the project Amy suggested: reversing the functionality for use as a mail filter, auto-translating NN missives. Although as I said to Amy, it's much harder to run the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics backwards. (If you do succeed at this, please send me a patch!) ->From: Julie <bluedahlias@mindspring.com> ->I decided I'd had enough when I filtered out NNs messages, and there was ->almost virtually nothing else coming in. I couldn't believe that others ->were parroting her cryptic bullshit language. Those who want to correspond ->with NN can do it easily (off -list), I'm sure. Time to move on... are you talking about my poor little perl script? if so, madam, you injure me. it was a **joke**. perhaps you lack a sense of humor? i hope not, that would be sad... ;-( Anyway, i've been putting up with integer for about 6 years now on 5 or 6 different lists. (believe me, i have no desire to correspond with it off-list.) i hate it as much as you seem to, but i know that it will never be stopped simply by plain old whining. i've seen hundreds of flamewars that start with 1 post from integer, and end with 50 posts from people complaining (and complaining stupidly) about integer, mixed with about 50 posts from people defending integer. if people would just ignore it, or at least attack it with some cleverness, it would go away, but they never do, and it gets exactly what it wants - naive attention. ->The air smells sweet this morning. Thank you, Inke, for uns*bscribing ->integer--it's an act of courage, striking a blow for intellectual and ->artistic freedom. What an ironic thing to say. (perhaps "blow for" is meant to read "blow against"?) I beleive censorship is also the wrong course. Even if it were ethically correct, the creature will just come back under a different name, now with more to rant about, that we are "oppressing" it, etc. sigh. best wishes, Steev Hise, Infoserf steev@detritus.net http://detritus.net/steev *Recycled Culture: detritus.net *Record Store: southtothefuture.com *Progressive radio sketches: radioluchalibre.com *Watching power flow: capitalletters.detritus.net *Democratic sound collage generator: soundbakery.detritus.net *** sig almost over *** ----------------------------------------------------------------- "The computer and its content are not independent of each other." -Nicholas Negroponte ----------------------------------------------------------------- -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 89.0 ??? integer n/a Thu, 9 Aug 2001 03:16:39 +0200 (CEST) hallo to andreas + inke. i have already contacted the .it authorities. your names and contact have been mentioned as well. i would like an explanation prior to contacting .de authorities and your employers and .de funding bodies. to both of you. you should be ashamed of your selves. salut. nn 90.0 Syndicate: Sondheim: nn Syndicate admin n/a Thu, 09 Aug 2001 12:24:34 +0200 (CEST) [Subject: BOUNCE syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de: Admin request of type /\buns\w*b/i at line 8] Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 12:35:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Sondheim <sondheim@panix.com> To: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> Subject: nn I personally regret - tremendously - nn's leaving the list. I never wanted that to happen, only for others to participate more. nn is one of the most original writers online - with a definite point of view as well as soft- ware that relates to it - and I have learned a great deal from h/er/im. I do feel the politics were problematic, but so are mine. And it's certainly not a blow for artistic freedom to uns*b someone; I know this first-hand since I co-moderate a number of lists (Cybermind, Cyberculture, etc.), and uns*bbing - which I've had to do - is always problematic. Alan Internet text at http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt Partial at http://lists.village.virginia.edu/~spoons/internet_txt.html Trace Projects at http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 91.0 ??? integer n/a Thu, 9 Aug 2001 17:26:48 +0200 (CEST) >>explain zvp >> >>nn > >repeated bad netiquette, thats why how very xy articulate > >on behalf of syndicate admin team >atle fascism costs careers nn 92.0 mail abroeck@transmediale.de, syndicate@v2.nl integer n/a Thu, 9 Aug 2001 17:31:21 +0200 (CEST) please inform those on syndicate they should be corresponding with you rather than me. nn 93.0 Syndicate: Re: Syndicate's love-hate relationship with NN Diana McCarty n/a Fri, 10 Aug 2001 21:34:29 +0200 Grtz Marc, George, syndicalists, Doesn't the same apply to NN? I thought of the NN posts as a bit like street theatre.. whereas anti-orp was more like a mime, NN sort of used the list as a public space for interventions... kind of a playful anarchy? diana > once it is muffled - of course there are always issues at hand. But we > all have to suffer advertisements against our wills, why not visuals > on the street that are merely proposing its sense of being just by > being real in its raw essence, by being there as part of life. True > creativity can flourish via a playful anarchy, like underground music. > Oh well, we'll just have to settle for the trad garb of accepted arts, > top of the pops mentality instead then. Where's the fun adventure in > that? > with respect > marc garrett > http://ww.furtherfield.org > http://www.dido.uk.net > > "George(s) Lessard" wrote: > > > Graffiti project scrubbed > > By: JOHN MACFARLANE The Gazette > > The city of Montreal's love-hate relationship with graffiti > > continues with > > the shutdown of a mural project and a warning that building owners > > might > > be the next victims of the mayor's war on spray paint. Last > > Wednesday, > > city administrators closed Montreal's contribution to the Great > > Canadian > > Millennium Wall project on the Park-Pine interchange, where artists > > had > > been decorating the concrete since the spring. Things got out of > > control, > > said Councillor Anie Samson. Full story: > > http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/pages/010807/5048411.html > > > > :-) Message Ends; George(s) Lessard's Keywords Begin (-: > > Freelance Media Arts, Management, Training, Mentoring & Consulting > > On line: Internet / Workshops / Research / Presence / Content / > > On location: TV / Radio / Production / ENG / EFP / Editing > > Interests: Access / Activism / Communities / Cultures / Arts > > Resume and more @ http://members.tripod.com/~media002 > > Queries / Offers / Patronage / > > Commissions should be sent to > > media@web.net > > Rostered Volunteer UNV# 120983 & CESO/SACO VA# 11799 > > > > -Caveat Lector- Disclaimers, NOTES TO EDITORS > > & (c) information may be found @ > > http://members.tripod.com/~media002/disclaimer.htm > > Because of the nature of email & the WWW, > > please check ALL sources & subjects. > > - 30 - > > -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- > > Syndicate network for media culture and media art > > information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate > > to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> > > to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in > > the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 94.0 Re: Syndicate: for wbmaster Inke Arns n/a Sun, 12 Aug 2001 13:06:25 +0200 Dear Jaka, At 19:23 11.08.01 +0200, you wrote: >i looked at Syndicate archive and there are several files with 'wrong' >file permissions so you get something like that: > >Forbidden >You don't have permission to access /mail/v2east/1999/Mar/0026.html on >this server. this is correct. the syndicate archive does not allow access to the postings between march 1999 until may or june 1999 because of the then ongoing NATO bombings. we decided to disable access to these postings (btw: we decided upon this collectively) in order to protect the originators of certain postings. perhaps we should discuss about whether to re-open the archive in its entirety? best wishes, inke - http://www.v2.nl/~arns/ -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 95.0 Re: Syndicate: for wbmaster Andrej Tisma n/a Sun, 12 Aug 2001 22:11:42 +0200 > > this is correct. the syndicate archive does not allow access to the > postings between march 1999 until may or june 1999 because of the then > ongoing NATO bombings. we decided to disable access to these postings (btw: > we decided upon this collectively) in order to protect the originators of > certain postings. Why that ? Are you ashamed that majority on this list supported the criminal NATO act? Also ashamed that majority supported the Albanian KLA, and look what is happening now in Macedonia. The same thing as with Yugoslavia i 1999. Will you also erase one day, after the NATO occupation of Macedonia, this period March 2001 -? You should think about that decision. -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 96.0 Re: Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _NN - what happend? Annick Bureaud n/a Mon, 13 Aug 2001 21:20:57 +0800 Andreas I don't want to add more "noise" on the Syndicate list but I wanted to let you know that I fully agree with you. I like the Syndicate list, even if I don't post everyday .... For the first time in my online life I decided to filter out mail coming from someone with NN. Easy to do (technically) but not confortable to do on a "moral" level. I hated to do that. "It" was totally poluting the Synd. list. Reminds me of the Well, years ago which nearly died from the same reason and went from unmoderated to moderated. Also one key issue : everybody shouting against this "nazi decision" to unsub nn seem to have a high speed connection ... or they don't pay their connection, I don't know. But none of them think of the ones using a normal phone line and paying by the time of connection, who had to pay for all this junk (I don't know how much "hate" it was, as I stopped reading them after 3 or 4 posts). Cu in Linz ? Annick Andreas Broeckmann wrote: > > dear jaka, > > i was away for 2 weeks and actually considered leaving the list because it > became utterly useless and unreadable for me. i must admit that i was > relieved to find the situation as it is now. the insults about me that nn > is posting to people it thinks are my superiors are enough for anybody to > push the red button, if you ask me. > > >Why censorship? > > we have had this discussion before, and i just want to make my own point > once again, other points have been made by others for months, fuelling nn's > viral motor. i'd rather shut up and put on the breaks. > > most importantly: > 1. create the free-syndicate@jaka.org now! > 2. sb it to the syndicate list! > 3. invite nn and the nn fanclub to leave the syndicate list and join this > new list! > 4. enjoy the full, integer-ated syndicate pleasure! > > >I dint's saw mails to ban some people who made some stupid and insulting > >remarks of NN. > > i would be curious to see messages that have been anywhere near the level > of insult that nn usually produces. > > >Is there now a special state of mind required to be on syndicate list? > > for me, a mailing list is a social space that requires a certain attitude > which is also necessary in any other social environment - you listen to > other people, you only SHOUT when absolutely necessary, you respect the > positions of others, you tell about your own ideas and give others the room > to talk about their's. the syndicate list has, for over 5 years, been a > mellow, sometimes boring, sometimes highly active channel which has allowed > a multitude of people to announce their projects, get in touch with each > other, meet, play, love, ..., each other. for me, part of the quality of > this channel has been that it has always been open and unmoderated - even > though some people have put a lot of effort into keeping it running. like > many others, i feel attached to the list and the community behind it, and > you will understand that it was a strange thing to see it being taken over > by nn in the course of six months or so. the volume of her messages is > unmanageable. the quality is, as others have suggested, mixed, the tone at > times - difficult to take. i don't like filters. i like this list because > it makes sense for me to listen to all the different voices. i don't want > to censor what comes through. at the same time, i ask for some sort of > respect for my position as somebody who is also on this list. this implies > not being shouted at all the time. it more importantly implies not being > spat on and insulted for writing this message. it implies not seeing > messages that call me a criminal, a murderer, nn writing to people saying > that she has to leave germany because she has received a death threat from > me, inke and lorenzo. give me a break. either she is a virtual persona, in > which case she should better understand her digital nature, or she is a > person with the illusion of a physical body like myself, in which case she > should maybe seek some professional help. > > the requirements for being on this list are pretty limited, you will agree. > but i find it hard to believe that you would not also call nn's > list-behaviour 'extreme'. i understand the point about a total freedom of > speech, which is why i would have left the list and started something new, > rather than having to endure the integer-ated syndicate. but i cannot deny > that i am happier now. > > i really suggest that you start another list and study the dynamics of nn's > communication; you would even enjoy it. if this list get's so boring that > the last of the 480 subscriber leaves, we'll delete the piece of software > that it really is. until then, let's doodle on. > > greetings, > -a > > -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- > Syndicate network for media culture and media art > information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate > to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> > to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in > the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress -- ATTENTION : NEW EMAIL ADDRESS - NOUVELLE ADRESSE EMAIL annickb@altern.org --------------------------- Annick Bureaud (annickb@altern.org) -------------------------------------- SUPPORT LEONARDO/SOUTENEZ LEONARDO : * Get a T.Shirt / Achetez un T.Shirt http://www.zero23.com/leo/leo.htm * Buy past issues of Leonardo Journal/Achetez les anciens num?ros de la revue http://www.cdemusic.org/ ----------------------------------------------------------- t?l/fax : 33/143 20 92 23 mobile : 33 (0)6 86 77 65 76 ----------------------------------------- IDEA online/International Directory of Electronic Arts : http://nunc.com OLATS/Observatoire Leonardo des Arts et des Techno-Sciences : http://www.olats.org 97.0 Madre: Re: Syndicate: for wbmaster (repost) Syndicate admin n/a Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:02:12 +0200 (CEST) ----- Forwarded message from syndicate-owner@eg-r.isp-eg.de ----- Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 23:41:04 +0200 From: syndicate-owner@eg-r.isp-eg.de Reply-To: syndicate-owner@eg-r.isp-eg.de Subject: BOUNCE syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de: Admin request of type / \buns\w*b/i at line 8 To: syndicate@v2.nl Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 23:42:52 +0200 To: syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de From: Frederic Madre <fmadre@wanadoo.fr> Subject: Re: Syndicate: for wbmaster (repost) Cc: integer@www.god-emil.dk >perhaps we should discuss about whether to re-open the archive in its >entirety? it's an important documentation of an important moment in this here history and should be reopened. perhaps we should also discuss something else, but first: did the admins unsb netochka or did she do it herself ? this is unclear to me because I was offline for a few days later, f. -----end of forwarded message----- -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 98.0 Syndicate: Re: casual moments. distant _+ aloof Syndicate admin n/a Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:19:29 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 14:35:55 +0200 From: jaromil <jaromil@dyne.org> To: integer@www.god-emil.dk, nettime-l@bbs.thing.net, syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de Subject: Re: casual moments. distant _+ aloof On Sat, Aug 11, 2001 at 01:39:18PM +0200, integer@www.god-emil.dk wrote: > > > crowds of silent voices whisper in our ears > transforming the nature of what we see and hear. [snip] dear lady, please don't include me anymore into your spam. i'm taking care to be not inscribed in any mailinglist hosting your spam-ads, so i find very curious now that you feel such a necessity to reach me with the bizantin ad of your corporation. btw, greetings to your capitalist mecenate wherever he is. sincerely, i hope you can keep on complaining always so loud about being censored, but not on my personal mail address. -- jrml ..//korova.dyne.org 6EEE 4FB2 2555 7ACD 8496 AB99 E2A2 93B4 6C62 4800 -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 99.0 Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _NN - what happend? Syndicate admin n/a Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:29:22 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 00:13:53 +0200 From: syndicate-owner@eg-r.isp-eg.de Reply-To: syndicate-owner@eg-r.isp-eg.de Subject: BOUNCE syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de: Admin request of type / \buns\w*b/i at line 3 To: syndicate@v2.nl Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 00:07:03 +0200 From: Jaka Zeleznikar <jaka@jaka.org> Organization: http://www.jaka.org To: syndicate <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> Subject: _NN - what happend? I was unsubscribed from the Syndicate for approximately a month because i went to travel in Turkey (and i recommend traveling in Turkey very much + they have a lot of cybercafes but i just wished to be off line all the time). When i returned and subscribed again i found a lot of mails against NN and if i understood correctly NN was removed from Syndicate by administrators? If this is correct i protest. Why censorship? I never saw a notice how to make a mail filter so those who don't like NN postings can joust automatically get rid of them. I liked most of NN mails. They were very precise and strict regarding own 'ideology', interesting in design and with very nice language-game involved. Done by 'hand' of by computer program i don't care. Was NN not politically/syndicate correct? Who else is not syndicate correct? Will administrators ban another person? When and why? Is wrong to post things like that: e R l a e o a i j a v i i m o s j l o a s i t f e i e i e ? b h o . e e g n n j o r z n v s e t i p n a ? j a n d e i j e v n o i p r s r e g n d a s t / e t i o n v m g t t o u i o v o n s k i n z i n m j o v b d o u o g u o ? n a ( D ) A e s n r l b k r n z e n e p s b n , v l k e o p z r o t e m a a a t r c o v t l u i g a i n m z l d n t h i n r z i n s i s b n o p e l d o i a n , p e o n v o a t r k s e s o l n j o a e n a i , k e l s e e i u - b s d l e s s a l e o p r n i u m e e i e p e o p v z v p e l d o o p r p e n m i t r e n k m d d t i i o , k d u i e a s o d p l j j ? m p g a j m a i k d d t i k i o n m i i a n m i f r a i a , k s o n e e i o d p l j j j n n d r j j j . k C k d G o i m l o e i e o r o n i d v i p e a d r ? u g u n i e b t V i s r e z s p a o o t k i o d n n i t m j e o t j p c ? n k o a r e i k l i n n s a m r r m m k o n o l e l a m l v v l o c m i n o s l o n e i a a e or is it wrong to post 'to much'? Where are clearly written rules of the syndicate game? And if syndicate is really non hierarchic 'society' of equal members (which i understood from different presentations of S.) who made a decision to ban somebody? I dint's saw mails to ban some people who made some stupid and insulting remarks of NN. Is there now a special state of mind required to be on syndicate list? Is there no other solution to deal with different wishes about moderation, something like on Rhizome with 'raw' and 'digest'. I found this more intelligent solution than to ban people. If i got something wrong and i insulted somebody i apologize. jaka zeleznikar -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 100.0 Re: Madre: Syndicate: for wbmaster (repost) Syndicate admin n/a Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:46:24 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 23:42:52 +0200 To: syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de From: Frederic Madre <fmadre@wanadoo.fr> Subject: Re: Syndicate: for wbmaster (repost) >did the admins uns*b netochka or did she do it herself ? nn was uns*bscribed by Syndicate admin. Syndicate admin had an agreement with nn when Syndicate admin s*bscribed nn some months ago. back then nn promised to Syndicate admin to behave herself. it went fine in the first weeks / months. unfortunately, she lost control of herself again. btw: nn would never either s*bcribe nor un*bscribe by herself, she doesn't seem to like majordomo. Syndicate admin thinks that it would be a great idea for nn to open up her own list [integer]. surely many people would like to s*bscribe. sincerely, Inke Arns for the Syndicate admin team -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 101.0 Re: Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _NN - what happend? Inke Arns n/a Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:32:07 +0200 At 18:29 13.08.01 +0200, Jaka wrote: >I liked most of NN mails. me too. >Where are clearly written rules of the syndicate game? And if syndicate there are some basic rules for games and mailing lists. >is really non hierarchic 'society' of equal members (which i understood >from different presentations of S.) dear jaka, let me be cynical for one moment: regarding WORK the Syndicate mailing list is definitely NOT a non-hierarchic 'society' of equal members. how many times have I called for more support concerning the administration of the list? How few answers did i receive? (and I am not going to repeat the joke about the paid job ;) i am not ready to administrate a mailing list which is called "[integer], formerly known as Syndicate". if there are so many people eager to receive e-mails from integer -- why don't you suggest to nn to install her own mailing list? or, even better, as she would never deal with majordomo herself: why don't you install a mailing list for her? perhaps I would even subscribe myself, who knows? >Is there no other solution to deal with different wishes about >moderation, something like on Rhizome with 'raw' and 'digest'. I found >this more intelligent solution than to ban people. this is a very good idea, Jaka! Now we only have to find somebody who would run such a "Syndicate raw" list. Perhaps you (or somebody else) would like to volunteer? Sincerely, Inke - http://www.v2.nl/~arns/ -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 102.0 Re: Madre: Re: Syndicate: for wbmaster (repost) Andreas Broeckmann n/a Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:38:19 +0200 >Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 23:42:52 +0200 >From: Frederic Madre <fmadre@wanadoo.fr> > >perhaps we should also discuss something else, but first: >did the admins usb netochka or did she do it herself ? > >this is unclear to me because I was offline for a few days the admins usbd it. do you need reasons? greetings, -a ps: as a lubricant, somebody could install a list that takes the content from the syndicate list and that is open for reactions by nn; everybody interested in receiving nn's msgs could then sb to this new list and get the regular, cleansed, korporat fascist version plus the poetic interventions by the anti-fascist. the NATO.fascists who prefer not to read her can stick with the list as it is, stifled by murderous (!!) censors. -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 103.0 Syndicate: (repost) Frederic Madre n/a Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:39:41 +0200 At 20:38 13/08/2001 +0200, Andreas Broeckmann wrote: >do you need reasons? since you ask yes >ps: as a lubricant, somebody could install a list that takes the content >from the syndicate list and that is open for reactions by nn; everybody >interested in receiving nn's msgs could then sb to this new list I take this proposition at face value and strip off the emotive decoration off and my opinion is that this is not how a list works. it is a discussion as you, of course, very well know. f. -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 104.0 Re: Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _NN - what happend? Andreas Broeckmann n/a Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:57:34 +0200 dear jaka, i was away for 2 weeks and actually considered leaving the list because it became utterly useless and unreadable for me. i must admit that i was relieved to find the situation as it is now. the insults about me that nn is posting to people it thinks are my superiors are enough for anybody to push the red button, if you ask me. >Why censorship? we have had this discussion before, and i just want to make my own point once again, other points have been made by others for months, fuelling nn's viral motor. i'd rather shut up and put on the breaks. most importantly: 1. create the free-syndicate@jaka.org now! 2. sb it to the syndicate list! 3. invite nn and the nn fanclub to leave the syndicate list and join this new list! 4. enjoy the full, integer-ated syndicate pleasure! >I dint's saw mails to ban some people who made some stupid and insulting >remarks of NN. i would be curious to see messages that have been anywhere near the level of insult that nn usually produces. >Is there now a special state of mind required to be on syndicate list? for me, a mailing list is a social space that requires a certain attitude which is also necessary in any other social environment - you listen to other people, you only SHOUT when absolutely necessary, you respect the positions of others, you tell about your own ideas and give others the room to talk about their's. the syndicate list has, for over 5 years, been a mellow, sometimes boring, sometimes highly active channel which has allowed a multitude of people to announce their projects, get in touch with each other, meet, play, love, ..., each other. for me, part of the quality of this channel has been that it has always been open and unmoderated - even though some people have put a lot of effort into keeping it running. like many others, i feel attached to the list and the community behind it, and you will understand that it was a strange thing to see it being taken over by nn in the course of six months or so. the volume of her messages is unmanageable. the quality is, as others have suggested, mixed, the tone at times - difficult to take. i don't like filters. i like this list because it makes sense for me to listen to all the different voices. i don't want to censor what comes through. at the same time, i ask for some sort of respect for my position as somebody who is also on this list. this implies not being shouted at all the time. it more importantly implies not being spat on and insulted for writing this message. it implies not seeing messages that call me a criminal, a murderer, nn writing to people saying that she has to leave germany because she has received a death threat from me, inke and lorenzo. give me a break. either she is a virtual persona, in which case she should better understand her digital nature, or she is a person with the illusion of a physical body like myself, in which case she should maybe seek some professional help. the requirements for being on this list are pretty limited, you will agree. but i find it hard to believe that you would not also call nn's list-behaviour 'extreme'. i understand the point about a total freedom of speech, which is why i would have left the list and started something new, rather than having to endure the integer-ated syndicate. but i cannot deny that i am happier now. i really suggest that you start another list and study the dynamics of nn's communication; you would even enjoy it. if this list get's so boring that the last of the 480 subscriber leaves, we'll delete the piece of software that it really is. until then, let's doodle on. greetings, -a -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 105.0 Syndicate: Re: what happend? Frederic Madre n/a Mon, 13 Aug 2001 21:43:41 +0200 At 20:57 13/08/2001 +0200, Andreas Broeckmann wrote: >relieved to find the situation as it is now. the insults about me that nn >is posting to people it thinks are my superiors are enough for anybody to >push the red button, if you ask me. they came because of her removal not the reverse >i would be curious to see messages that have been anywhere near the level >of insult that nn usually produces. come on... anyway, it was stated earlier that the kosovo archives were shut down after a discussion on the list I don't remember that I was for this decision but nonetheless accept it in the case of nn, this was never discussed per se and if it was, a rough count from my rapidly ticking off neurons doesn't yield a lot of yeahs in short, I wish nn reinstalled on the list, thank you f. -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 106.0 Syndicate: A short comment on the identity of the syndicate list Eric Kluitenberg n/a Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:08:41 +0200 dear syndicalists, In recent times it has become increasingly unclear for me what the value was of continuing the syndicate list. In my experience this project was started in the aftermath of the many social, political and cultural changes in Europe after the fall of the iron curtain and the berlin wall. Syndicate was established to promote east <> west exchange and co-operation in the fields of media art and media culture. The specific nature of the syndicate list was to take into account the regional specificities and the defining characteristics of the political and social context of media art and media culture in the countries that were formerly ruled by socialist / communist regimes in one form or another. One of the really important questions on the table was how to formulate an alternative discourse to the traditional capitalist / anti-capitalist narratives that pervaded social, political and cultural debates about the *east/west* relationship. The next was to get away from the East / West dichotomy altogether and find new connecting threads to talk about art, culture, politics and society in Europe after the revolutionary changes of the late eighties and beginning nineties. Media play an essential role in defining, appropriating and proliferating these discourses, narratives and cliches. The worst one no doubt is the discourse of *transition, assuming the victory of the capitalist world and seeing the neo-liberal ideology as the only possible outcome, yes indeed the end, of history. Instead we saw the inevitable return of history, throughout the countries and regions represented on the list, and we lived through hope and tragedy in a tiny little community. Meetings felt like family gatherings, and the nucleus that syndicate offered to start new pan-European discourses about media, art, culture and politics and society for a long time seemed invaluable to me. In the last year or so I saw the essence of the list get lost in a cloud of confused autistic ascii experiments that had really nothing to do with the initial character of the list. Of course things can change and move in a different direction. I was ready to leave the list and consider it a beautiful, productive and enriching period of my life, when syndicate was one of the most inspiring fora of debate in Europe about all these topics in relation to media culture and media art, but which at long last had come to an end. Perhaps this is the moment when things can take a new turn again, and something of the list's original character may be redeemed. Not for nostalgia, but simply because I believe that questioning the construction of new cultural, social and political discourses around "Project Europe", in particular in relation to contemporary media culture and media art is as urgent as ever. If syndicate can once again become a forum where the contradictions of the european project can be made visible, and where alternative media discourses and practices can germinate, I will be a very happy member of it. If not, I will just have to find other more productive contexts to work in, because these questions are simply too urgent to leave them unaddressed. For now I am not ready to give up syndicate and still have some hope for the future of the syndicate list and network. warmest greetings, eric -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 107.0 Syndicate: NN: the endless cybersoap! Lorenzo Taiuti n/a Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:38:18 +0200 <html><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV>To people who don't know enough of NN.</DIV> <DIV>NN has been overflowing with&nbsp;messages three, four times a day not only Syndicate, but Rhyzome, Nettime etc...&amp; others we don't know.</DIV> <DIV>The democratic feeling of the lists has been defending NN just as it was intended (by NN).</DIV> <DIV>The result&nbsp;of all this naif&nbsp;discussions will be of course a Book. A very glossy book of course.&nbsp;Published in the net languages:&nbsp;english/german/dutch.</DIV> <DIV>NN&nbsp;it's not a meaningful case.</DIV> <DIV>Otherwise it would have been different for every different list.</DIV> <DIV>That is Not the fact.&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Syndicate: a list about relationships between east &amp; west.</DIV> <DIV>How much have we done &amp; talked about it while every energy is about deciding the presence of NN?</DIV> <DIV>Adrian Russu has announced the opening of a Jazz Club in Romania called nicely "Colibr?".</DIV> <DIV>Maybe is a good Jazz club. Maybe not. Maybe we can give ideas. maybe it could become an issue. maybe not.</DIV> <DIV>Is it not this Much,Much more <U><STRONG>relevant</STRONG></U> then talking about a trendy "noisemaker" like NN??</DIV> <DIV>Should we not deal about those things? </DIV> <DIV>And not about NN?</DIV> <DIV>Ciao</DIV> <DIV>Lorenzo Taiuti</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML> </html> 108.0 Re: Syndicate: Re: what happend? Andreas Broeckmann n/a Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:35:11 +0200 folks, >in the case of nn, this was never discussed per se >and if it was, a rough count from my rapidly ticking off neurons doesn't >yield a lot of yeahs on the list, yes, offlist, no. i got a fair amount of private messages, but i feel strongly that they should have gone to the list. annick, anke, and others: you *have to* voice your opinion *on* the list; i have no time nor energy to stick my head out like this again and again for a silent mass. if fred and jaka and andrej are the opinion leaders here, an integer-ated syndicate list is what you will get. i promise. like eric, i will leave and look for other, more bearable venues. no big deal, but everybody who cares should take responsibility for where this list is going. >anyway, it was stated earlier that the kosovo archives were shut down >after a discussion on the list >I don't remember that I was for this decision but nonetheless accept it this is a different issue and i agree that the archive should be reopened. greetings, -a -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 109.0 Re: Syndicate: Re: what happend? Andrej Tisma n/a Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:54:02 +0200 > > annick, anke, and others: you *have to* voice your opinion *on* the list; i > have no time nor energy to stick my head out like this again and again for > a silent mass. if fred and jaka and andrej are the opinion leaders here, an > integer-ated syndicate list is what you will get. Is this why you are silencing me on this list, and why you didn't publish my comment on Integer case yesterday evening? You silence Kosovo opinions, you silence Integer opinions, where is your "openness"? -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 110.0 Re: Syndicate: Re: what happend? Andreas Broeckmann n/a Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:22:08 +0200 >> >> annick, anke, and others: you *have to* voice your opinion *on* the list; i >> have no time nor energy to stick my head out like this again and again for >> a silent mass. if fred and jaka and andrej are the opinion leaders here, an >> integer-ated syndicate list is what you will get. > >Is this why you are silencing me on this list, and why you didn't >publish my comment on Integer case yesterday evening? You silence Kosovo >opinions, you silence Integer opinions, where is your "openness"? andrej, we have had this before: when you put the word s*bscribe (with the u) into your message, majordomo, the software, recognises your message as a request which is forwarded to the administration; this prevents the list from the occasional accidental request and bounces some relevant messages which then have to be forwarded by the admins by hand, which can sometimes take some time, depending on who of the admins finds time to look at the admin account. -a -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 111.0 Re: Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _NN - what happend Andrej Tisma n/a Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:15:45 +0200 Inke Arns wrote: >i am not ready to administrate a mailing list which is called >"[integer], >formerly known as Syndicate". Now I think you are administrating the Corporate Fascist! list. Are you satisfied now? If you and Andreas think you will feel better after uns*bscribing me from this list too, just do it. From now on you don't have my moral confidence. I think it is the best for you to leave on this list just the Soros Swastika worshiping people and exchange your stupid corporate info with each other. -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 112.0 Re: Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _NN - what happend? Syndicate admin n/a Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:29:08 +0200 (CEST) ----- Forwarded message from syndicate-owner@eg-r.isp-eg.de ----- Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 22:30:36 +0200 From: syndicate-owner@eg-r.isp-eg.de Reply-To: syndicate-owner@eg-r.isp-eg.de Subject: BOUNCE syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de: Admin request of type /\buns\w*b/i at line 7 To: syndicate@v2.nl Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 22:34:07 +0200 From: Andrej Tisma <aart@EUnet.yu> Organization: Happiness To: syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de Subject: Re: Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _NN - what happend? Inke Arns wrote: >i am not ready to administrate a mailing list which is called >"[integer], >formerly known as Syndicate". Now I think you are administrating the Corporate Fascist! list. Are you satisfied now? If you and Andreas think you will feel better after uns*bscribing me from this list too, just do it. From now on you don't have my moral confidence. I think it is the best for you to leave on this list just the Soros Swastika worshiping people and exchange your stupid corporate info with each other. ----- End forwarded message ----- -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 113.0 Re: Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _NN - what happend Anke Hoffmann n/a Tue, 14 Aug 2001 14:56:57 +0200 dear andrej, i am sorry but i don't see that the use of cold war terms bring you any further, they rather act destructive until no one wants to react on this kind of comments anymore. i am just doing it because i feel sad of this communication developed in the last week on this list. i would also like to say: watch out the words you are using! in my opinion you are misjudging the situation a lot and see an enemy where there is none. taking (unemotional) the facts about nn's postings and the character of this list, which have been described by several people only yesterday, it seems as there is a strong unbalance of sheer interest between a few and many, as i may suggest. taking free-speech rights and the common ground of interpersonal acceptance into account i still don't see why it is not possible to exclude a certain egocentric individual from a community if s/he does not meet the regulations of the "virtual" community. a sort of shared values and communication do's and don'ts are the base for any human relationship, also for this communication-community. accusations of censorship and spreading insults does not change the fact that a community exists on the ground of shared interest and behaviour. other communities might have other interest and behaviour. to view the world in black-and-white-only, in an enemy and comrade-model does not help at all to come to terms with the reality of different individuals with different interests. one of the-until now-silent mass anke hoffmann Andrej Tisma schrieb: > > Inke Arns wrote: > >i am not ready to administrate a mailing list which is called >"[integer], > >formerly known as Syndicate". > > Now I think you are administrating the Corporate Fascist! list. > Are you satisfied now? > If you and Andreas think you will feel better after uns*bscribing me > from this list too, just do it. From now on you don't have my moral > confidence. I think it is the best for you to leave on this list just > the Soros Swastika worshiping people and exchange your stupid corporate > info with each other. > > -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- > Syndicate network for media culture and media art > information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate > to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> > to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in > the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 114.0 Re: Syndicate: Re: what happend? inke n/a Tue, 14 Aug 2001 14:24:29 MET dear, > annick, anke, and others: you *have to* voice your opinion *on* the list; i > have no time nor energy to stick my head out like this again and again for > a silent mass. absolutely. same goes for me. what I wrote about engagement concerning work does also apply here (and it does perhaps more): if you don't take care of your list, and voice your opinion, the list will be taken care of by others. And you won't necessarily like it. > if fred and jaka and andrej are the opinion leaders here, an > integer-ated syndicate list is what you will get. as I wrote before, it's no problem to open another list focussing on nn. this is the great thing about mailing lists: you can do it yourself, on whatever topic you like. Nothing prevents the people interested in nn's postings to open a mailing list for her. you should explicitely announce that rules don't apply for that game/mailing list. > like eric, i > will leave and look for other, more bearable venues. no big deal, but I have been thinking about this many times already but am not ready to give up a project that I have invested some energy into during the last five years. it is much too valuable for that (even if, as andreas suggested and as we all know, the Syndicate sometimes tends to by a rather dull place, full of announcements and with no real discussion) > everybody who cares should take responsibility for where this list is going. to the silent mass: repeat this five times before your go to sleep, every night. > the archive should be reopened. sure, why not? Anybody against it? Greetings, Inke -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 115.0 Re: Syndicate: visit of the uniform Andreas Broeckmann n/a Tue, 14 Aug 2001 17:21:39 +0200 dear anna, >Dear Andreas, it seems that you banned integer from the >syndicate list for very personal reasons, without surveying >the opinion of the community. not reasons more personal than yours, i believe. but as i said in my last message, i respect your opinion and if it turns out by, say, the weekend, that there are clearly more people in favour of resubscribing nn, i will suggest to the other admins that we do it. it is quite possible that your help in adminstring the list might then be needed. faites vos jeux. -a -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 116.0 Syndicate: re: visit of the uniform Anke Hoffmann n/a Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:34:01 +0200 a democratic decision, whether somebody (or a group) can use a community platform as its own. how this should be taken out, i don't know. but beside this showing respect to a ideological ownership which, i think, exists in the case of this list is essential and can't be overseen. to respect that means to share a common ground of rules set by this "owners" or founders, and implies in this case not to spam the list with dozens of mails. simply. i don't think that nn's mails were of no meaning, but the mass they were posted was not acceptable anymore. less is more. i am too from a totalitarian background and believe that we all need to accept rules of communities we are joining to be included. and the pragmatic facts of no attchments, limited file size and no spam enables such lists to operate for many. anke -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 117.0 Syndicate: What happened? Lorenzo Taiuti n/a Tue, 14 Aug 2001 21:50:25 +0200 <html><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV>Dear friends </DIV> <DIV>Really, what's happening!?&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>I think there is not a problem of democracy, like someone said, but the simple act of recognizing a phoney and self/promoting acting and see his distance from the targets of the list.</DIV> <DIV>If we find so much words to fight about a "Lounge Identity" like NN, how come we are not building a project about east/west comunities?</DIV> <DIV>And before talking about "fascists", remember Genova!</DIV> <DIV>Greetings</DIV> <DIV>Lorenzo Taiuti</DIV></BODY></HTML> </html> 118.0 Syndicate: Bans & Free Speech patrick lichty n/a Tue, 14 Aug 2001 14:59:26 -0500 <html><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 5.50.4611.1300" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Much has come to the fore regarding the level of free speech on listservs across the board, and I thought I'd put my two words in. Even though the issue is currently most crucial on Syndicate, I am cross posting on the other lists, as my thoughts here are most germane to these lists as well.&nbsp; AS it is also of interest as a cultural artifact, I am also forwarding this to nettime.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>On all of these lists there have been a series of concerns regarding free speech.&nbsp; Many of these issues have arisen >from abusive language, threatening content, or prodigious output.&nbsp; The problem here is that what, in a community that espouses such pluralism and free thought as the arts community, constitutes 'proper behavior'? In the postmodern, which many of us here ascribe to, immediately the question of what conventions of behavior will be enforced, and by whom?&nbsp; When any social restriction is enforced, the problem arises to enforcement.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Another problem that arises is the issue of freedom of speech.&nbsp; Being that the Internet is international, it is not covered by the American 1st Amendment.&nbsp; To do so would be to inscribe American power strategies upon the world.&nbsp; Or, perhaps the Internet community wishes to use American precepts when it wishes to, then discard anythin it finds inconvenient or irrelenent (sorry, just a little polemic).&nbsp; Therefore, unless local speech restrictions apply, the rules for free speech are regulated by the community, much as in a Bey-esque TAZ.&nbsp; In a way, Listservs are similar to Temporary Autonomous Zones, with their own peculiarities and rules, and so on.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There have been many personalities on the various lists who have been known for their 'behavior' and/or excessive listing (Brace, nn, Zeidner, Herman), and there have been may rationales for the tactical engagement they have employed.&nbsp; Radical engagement is one thing, and it is a wonderful thing, but the problem is that listservs are more akin to the lymphatic system of the net, and not the central power nodes of the virtual world.&nbsp; In many cases, the parties in question are of the opinion that to intervene at the listserv level is to somehow radically engage with the primary power structures of the global art world.&nbsp; Such is not the case.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The tactics of these practitioners aside, there seem to be&nbsp;a certain number of effects that&nbsp;these so-called 'radical engagements' create.&nbsp;&nbsp;There are a few ways I've seen them engage, so here goes. </FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The polemics of the member (whether&nbsp;through</FONT>&nbsp;<FONT face=Arial size=2>abusive language or large numbers of posts) creates furor and centers the conversation around them, thus creating an intellectual monopoly. If that individual is threatened with expulsion, that individual protests that their rights of free speech&nbsp;are being violated, where none exists except through the social compact of the group at large. Such cries play upon the liberal fears of the artist and intellectual, problematizing the agendas of information control and social protocols into terms&nbsp;like 'fascism' and Orwellian 'thought police'., where such is a conflation of terms with much more serious issues. This centers the conversation around them further which is the exact point of the tactic.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As my younger compatriot Milo Fisher would say, "Duhh!"</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Secondly, the poster states that what they are intending to do is a form of 'radical engagement' (para. Zeidner), when it is more akin to a form of intellectual abuse, which is exactly what it is.&nbsp; Instead of posting a ten-part post, the individual posts ten individual missives, most with a Dada-esque lack of content, which&nbsp;are designed solely as a way to manipulate attention and information flows.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The question arises as to whether the listserv is a free society.&nbsp; It certainly seems to ascribe to the Lockeian 'laissez faire' ideal, but often turns to the more Crowley-esque 'Do what thou wilt'.&nbsp; There is a difference between liberty and using that liberty to impinge upon the freedom of others' time, resources, etc..&nbsp; This abuse of personal freeedoms is what typically creates the need for punitive systems (law enforcement, etc.)&nbsp; Having personal freedoms does not patently allow others to use their freedoms to infringe upon your own.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I may be talking like an American here, but I assure you that I attempt to speak more from an enlightenment/Bey sort of base than from Revolutionary American thought.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The problem of enforcement then arises.&nbsp; There have been a number of solutions offered, such as filtering and&nbsp;expulsion.&nbsp; I, for one, am not against long negotiated, judicious expulsion of&nbsp;offending members.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I take the metaphor of the coffee table as my argument.&nbsp; Consider that if you are at a coffee house with a group of colleagues having a discussion, and&nbsp;someone comes along, pushes their way through the chairs, places a soapbox upon the table, climbs up, and proceeds to scream incessantly about how you are wrong or&nbsp;about their accomplishments with only short intervals in which you may interject.&nbsp; This is what I call the Coffeehaus Putsch.</FONT>&nbsp;&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The problem exists - how can a listserv endure problematic posting practices without succumbing to oppression equal to that being perpetrated by those in question?&nbsp; Personally, I do not feel that the expulsion of ongoing offenders is necessarily perpetrating a fascist state.&nbsp; There is a big difference between modulating the signal to noise ratio and committing intellectual genocide.&nbsp; Listservs are private&nbsp;spaces bound be the social conventions of its communities (and to some extent the service providers). They do not guarantee freedom of speech at all.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So far, I have outlined an argument aimed at mapping the issues at stake regarding free speech on listservs.&nbsp; Next, what could be some protocols for culling the signal to noise ratio?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>- Deletion</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This is my usual form of dealing with this.&nbsp; The problem is that it does not alleviate the issue of time and resources for those who do not have broadband or unlimited hours.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-Filtering</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Similar to above, but the same applies.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-Combination</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Asking the multiple poster to combine posts into a daily digest of sorts or longer listings.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This solves the elimination of 'content' by those involved, and those interested can read these multiple messages.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-Moderation</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Here's the stickiest job of all - enforcement of posting protocols.&nbsp; Should the rise of problematic posting become the rallying cry for moderated lists, when a 'moderator' culls posts that are not deemed germane?&nbsp; </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>- List owner Negotiaton/ Punitive measures</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The list owner contacts the person in question, negotiating a provisional agreement that will ast as a social protocol for this situation.&nbsp; If no agreement can be made, the person is expelled.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>- Democratic expulsion</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The list takes a vote, and from votes tallied, the majority for the given solution is acted upon.&nbsp; There are some Survivor-esque issues here, and is a bit flawed.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Unilateral expulsion - </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>After a certain time, the list owner deems the person to be too troublesome, and is expelled.&nbsp; Autocratic, but viable.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In short, the operation of a listserv is a delicate thing - it isn't just one of your holiday games. (I will now say that you'd consider me mad as a hatter if I told you each list has three separate names...) </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What is to be done on a listserv under disruptive circumstances?&nbsp; I think the question resides in whether the list is being coopted over long periods of time by certain interests that run counter to the purpose of the list, or through the intellectual monopolization by certain individuals of that list.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I believe that expulsion is not anaethema to list operation; however it should be done with great delicacy and quiet resolve only after private negotiations have broken down.&nbsp; The tone that a community wishes to maintain is a partnership that the members and list owner hold in common trust.&nbsp; In the&nbsp;case of disruptive/monopolistic posting, it is the community's responsibility to determine whether this is tolerable, take proper action, and live with those actions.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>We must ask ourselves what kind of online society we wish to have, and how we wish to create/maintain it.</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> </html> 119.0 Syndicate: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Bans & Free Speech Frederic Madre n/a Tue, 14 Aug 2001 22:11:17 +0200 >incessantly about how you are wrong or about their accomplishments with only short intervals in which you may interject. This is what I call the Coffeehaus Putsch. problem is this has absolutely nothing to do with how a mailing-list works. >So far, I have outlined an argument aimed at mapping the issues at stake regarding free speech on listservs. Next, what could be some protocols for culling the signal to noise ratio? you forgot one closing the list when it has served its time or purpose. best, f. -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 120.0 Re: Syndicate: Re: what happend? Andrej Tisma n/a Tue, 14 Aug 2001 22:14:41 +0200 >.. can someone tell me how > to construct a filter? Very simple, you have it in your mail program. I use Netscape Communicator - in the mailbox go to "edit" and then to "mail filters". Enter any word from address or subject or body... and you will not receive it any more. -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 121.0 Re: Syndicate: visit of the uniform Bruce Sterling n/a Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:17:00 -0500 > i respect your opinion and if it turns > out by, say, the weekend, that there are clearly more people in favour of > resubscribing nn, i will suggest to the other admins that we do it. it is > quite possible that your help in adminstring the list might then be needed. *Aaargh! Don't do it! I'm getting hundreds of unsought messages from victims of SirCam, carrying big fat 130K random chunks of people's hard disks. I've grown to hate the sight of them, even though they're much less mechanical than integer and they're far more entertaining. plaintive bruces 122.0 Re: Syndicate: What happened? Andrej Tisma n/a Tue, 14 Aug 2001 22:24:44 +0200 > If we find so much words to fight about a "Lounge Identity" like NN, > how come we are not building a project about east/west comunities? Good question. I think in building the east/west community we must begin from our personal relations, not from net theories, net criticism and same bullshit. Now our personal relations are in crisis, because of censorship (Kosovo archive banned on this list, and now one member removed because of too much mailings which is also stupid). How do you imagine that community if we don't trust each other personally? Or generally east do not trust west, or vice versa. > And before talking about "fascists", remember Genova! > Greetings > Lorenzo Taiuti -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 123.0 Re: Syndicate: What happened? Andrej Tisma n/a Tue, 14 Aug 2001 22:30:45 +0200 Lorenzo Taiuti wrote: > And before talking about "fascists", remember Genova! Concerning Genoa, I didn't remark any reaction to that fascist globalistic event on this list. Silent mass again. But I gave my comment with "Game Over" work at: http://www.crosswinds.net/~tisma/social/over.htm -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 124.0 Re: Syndicate: Re: what happend? Frederic Madre n/a Tue, 14 Aug 2001 23:07:08 +0200 Annick, I admit I have sinned and forgive me because I have a cable link to the internet. It is so much cheaper than paying for the phone calls and equivalent solutions such as dsl are available everywhere in our country I admit I have sinned and forgive me because I was offline for 3 days, this had not happened for a year. I admit I have sinned for I did not uns+b from any list and received 320 messages when I logged back, I opened them all and felt there was something missing when I got the message from "syndicate admin" which did not own up to what "it" had done. For this is what I dislike in this situation not that the admins decided unilaterally to withdraw nn (because this is ultimately their list, not ours) but more that they did not announce it as such (I was not even interested in the explanation, at least the one given afterwards) and sent the mail I mentioned above as if it was a machinic gesture whithout an owner or master, neither rhyme nor reason. now, I agree with eric too, that the object of this list has disappeared from (posted) view but it's still an interesting one (not sure about so called "europe", though) and could be pursued here, or there. I just wish that (as it happens sometimes) the community did not need a scapegoat enemy to regain its inner strength around its soft but open belly. this is why I ask that nn be put back on (and also because I like her very much) last I do not see that the internet is either public or private f. -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 125.0 Re: Syndicate: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Bans & Free Speech patrick lichty n/a Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:24:49 -0500 > >incessantly about how you are wrong or about their accomplishments with only short intervals in which you may interject. This is what I call the Coffeehaus Putsch. > > problem is > this has absolutely nothing to do with how a mailing-list works. Merely a metaphor for the effect, not the process. Good point. > >So far, I have outlined an argument aimed at mapping the issues at stake regarding free speech on listservs. Next, what could be some protocols for culling the signal to noise ratio? > > you forgot one > closing the list when it has served its time or purpose. Big thanks there - pulling the plug is always the last ditch, as is starting a new pocket universe with new rules of time and space, but I did not think we were there yet. As usual, I never profess to have all the answers, I merely suggest some ideas 'for your approval'. Best, Patrick. -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 126.0 ??? martha rosler n/a Tue, 14 Aug 2001 22:55:25 -0400 this is absolutely insupportable, no matter how much i agree with the elements of this post (which is basically all the rest of it, I suppose) that do not themselves constitute a racist slur: <to the racist Talmudic/Zionist double-standard> sincerely martha rosler -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 127.0 Syndicate: the NN programme...is old Art... furtherfield n/a Wed, 15 Aug 2001 03:18:44 +0000 I did not want to comment or waste my time on this but it seems that I will concede now - and put my head on the block like everyone else has been doing. The reason is that on rhizome I was attacked personally a few times by NN. I answered thinking that there was an intelligent mind or brain at the other end of the postings, but all I got in return was insults. Soon after that I learnt that NN was a programme. I am also unhappy about sending this e-mail because NN's protectors will attack me also. A small gang of people who could do better by spending their time not protecting their cyber - jerk (in crowd mob friends, programmers of NN), and actually taking real responsibility and changing the world to be a better place instead. I wish... It seems to me that nn (the programme) has not been interested in other people's imaginative offerings on the list - other to dish out insults. NN - is not a human, therefor has no rights. NN - feels no pain, therefor has no rights. NN - is a weapon designed to distract us, therefor has no rights. SO wake up everyone - we are all part of a manipulation that is designed to satisfy its programmer's egos. I do not care what happens to NN, mainly because the programme has no empathy for others. All this discussion about whether the owners of the list are fascists is absolute gibberish. Such negative comments to people who actually spend a lot of their time maintaining it do not deserve such unfound empty headed right wing rants. It really pisses me off when you see people trying to do something worth while and watching thugs slamming into them as though they are just dirt. There is no conspiracy going on here other than some liberal, leftist indivuals who quite rightly are worried about stopping freedom of expression as an idea. Who would you turn to in a time of need or of crisis? It certainly would not be the whimsical NN. The Syndicate list like many lists have gone through many issues, and this does not warrant the attention. There are far more urgent problems going on in the real world with real people being bombed, maimed, raped - mostly by dysfunctional insecure males. NN has that type of quality of which I will not miss (whatever sex it has been allocated). If there is a threat on freedom of expression - it is not on NN. It is on the rest of us not being aloud to carry on exploring our own valid ventures as living breathing individuals, who wish to develop further than a limited programme that far out stayed its presence. I would rather fight for a life than an idea, religion was an idea and look how that one is turning out for everyone on this small muddy ball that we call earth. Don't be fooled by the art project that us (the ginea pigs) have foolishly become part of against our wills - for it will be documented and used against us by the real tyrant(s) in the future - NN's programmers. Who like cowards do not declare their real identities as we all do. As they collect their rewards for being (oh so clever etc) for taking the piss out of people who meant well, they will reap the rewards for our discomfort. NN will be taken off the list - but not because of any undemocratic or fascistic reason, but because NN is out of date and has served its purpose and the one liner joke is wearing a bit thin now. We have all moved on and are tired of the childish double feedback (boring) emptiness that dominates the list by NN. Please wake up and realise that we have been part of a cheap game and (seriously) nothing much more than that. I take issue with one poster mentioning 'Brad Brad' as someone who has caused trouble on listings. I have seen his postings - and I believe that he has at least contributed to discussions via the process of creating discourse that is aimed questioning the power that institutions possess over others lives. If NN is to stay - then please 'programmers' re-evaluate its purpose and function. Make it question corporate isolationist companies that are ruining peoples lives all other world right now. Go to their listings and bring the content back here for all to debate and take part in. PLease do not let it ruin well meaning debate on creative listings such as this - its not NN's fault, I know that. I'll miss the playful language myself, Its the questionable intentions by the ego-centric opinionated designers (that should be here on this listing taking part in the debate themselves) behind the function and the actions that I am concerned about, whom obviously are not interested in other peoples expressive and creative freedoms. Lets all move forward (for a change). That's if its alright by the few who will no doubt send hatred e-mails to me for bothering to care about such things. Tonight Israel is sending tanks into palastinian territories - is NN going to help sort that one out - doubt it. (When American leaders fund Israeli assassinations of Arab leaders with taxpayer dollars, those American leaders are complicit in those assassinations, and since turnabout is fair play, U.S. leaders open themselves up to their own assassination by the very demon of lawlessness their Israeli partners in crime unleashed in the occupied territories. Lest the U.S. secret police accuse this writer of advocating or apologizing for the assassination of Americans, I will point out the obvious: all assassinations are wrong. The spread of the contagion of Likud doublethink in the U.S. has caused Americans to subscribe to the racist Talmudic/Zionist double-standard that it is permissible, indeed perhaps even laudable, to assassinate "sub-human" Arab goyim, whereas the assassination of the Chosen terrorist Sharon or his patrons in the U.S. would be deemed a moral outrage of the highest order by the guardians of public opinion in the West.) Get a life - there's beautiful out there (what's left of it that is). To continue arguing for and against NN's case would be a case of psychological denial in dealing with issues at hand... Best wishes to all progressive (humane) thinkers and creative liberationists and anarchists who are causing nayhem where it should be, some where else. Its possiblities are being wasted.. marc garrett -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 128.0 Syndicate: RHIZOME_RAW: your m9nd bumpers ][-n.sert-][ n/a Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:10:54 +1000 ...NN replies.........etc >X-From_: owner-list@rhizome.org Wed Aug 15 13:57:41 2001 >Delivered-To: netwurker@hotkey.net.au >Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 04:39:26 +0200 (CEST) >From: integer@www.god-emil.dk >To: syndicate@v2.nl >Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: your m9nd bumpers >Sender: owner-list@rhizome.org >Reply-To: integer@www.god-emil.dk > > > > > > >Andreas Broeckmann <abroeck@transmediale.de> > >>>dear anna, >>> >>>>Dear Andreas, it seems that you banned integer from the >>>>syndicate list for very personal reasons, without surveying >>>>the opinion of the community. >>> >>>not reasons more personal than yours, i believe. > >Andreas Broeckmann has always shown an avid interest >in NN's personal life. > >especially the lv+ type. >Andreas Broeckmann's beloved am certain shall be pleased to >know more about his extra curricular interests. > >People like to read!!!! > > > >>>but as i said in my last message, i respect your opinion and if it turns >>>out by, say, the weekend, that there are clearly more people in favour of >>>resubscribing nn, > > >how very democratic Andreas Broeckmann becomes once he commits a crime. >but why is it Andreas Broeckmann asks Geert Lovink to cover up his crime. > > >is Andreas Broeckmann so afraid those subscribed to Nettime might find out about >his criminal activities. > > > >and why clearly +? > > > > >you see my dear german autocrat in ost.europa we don't trust criminals. > >my compliments. > > > > >>i will suggest to the other admins that we do it. it is >>>quite possible that your help in adminstring the list might then be needed. > >are you acquainted with pascal's wager +? > > >nn > > > > > > > > > >>>From: Annick Bureaud <annickb@altern.org> > >>>OK, the "silent mass" is going to take part in the discussion... >>>Andreas, Inke, you are right, we need to say what we think too. > > >it seems to me you are only following orders. >you do give naught but take. > >are you love +? > >somehow i doubt it. > > > > > >>>I do not post much on this list, > >love wonders why. > > > >>>only when I have something that I think >>>will interest the others. > >i see. that is good to know. >love does not recall you ever having anything to give [say] >besides lobbying for silencing those that do have much to give. >even if not + not to you. > >others do exist you know. they also have desires and aspirations. >much like you. they wish to breathe. > >gas chambers are for the love impaired. > > > > > > >>>The Syndicate list is a virtual community > > >if a [western] zoo is a community than Syndicate also is a community. > > > > > >>>Recently, because of NN *flood* of posting, I was about to unsub. > > >interesting. next time do let me know that you exist and _if _you _wish i shall >unsubscribe you _when _i _feel _like _it. > > > > > > > > >>>But I >>>felt > >listen. i want to ask. do you lack memories of love +? > > > > >>I was still interested in the list, so I filtered out NN mails. I >>>hated to have to do this (very simple technically speaking) procedure. >>>It was the first time in my whole life that I filtered out mail (online >>>as well as offline, > >next time something happens for the 1st time do take it as a sign from ost.europa - i.e. the heavens. > > > > > > > >>>I always open every letter, even if I know it is >>>junk, > > >love says: that makes it difficult for me to fall in love with you. > > > > > > > >>>I always give people a chance). > >the inward turning of the drug user contrasts the outward turning of the dancer. > >listen. love whispers to you [only you]. - "so I filtered out NN mails" > > >love: i always give people a chance. > > >___.. listen. > > > > > >>>What I really disliked with NN postings was the FLOOD. > >you shall have to consult my ost.europa genes about that. >you are welcome to admire me but > >listen _____... I do not like zooz. > > > > > >>>Once in a while, >>>why not, but minimum 10 per day, as in the last week, come on ! This is >>>just a highjack of the list. S/he knew the rules, s/he didn't play by >>>it. Too bad. > > >the safest path for a brain is circular arguments. >you want me to relax you +? > > > > > > >>>Those talking about democracy, Socrates and censorship, I would like to >>>stress out a point here, the one between "public" and "private" >>>institution, public and private being understood in the French meaning >>>of the words : > >i would like to tell to you. > >syndicate is publicly funded. > >there shall be no syndicate. > >there shall be no other things either. > >why +? well think about it. the "FLOOD" will have to go somewhere. > > > > > >>>So, I think that "big" words (fascist !!!) should be kept for "big" >>>problems, >>>NN is not a "big" issue, > > >you have a "big" regard for human life. >love says: i suffer so much loneliness in your presence. > > > > >>>Annick > > NN (a noble act > + public vocabulary of private distress) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>From: martha rosler <navva@earthlink.net> >>> >>> >>>i am primarily a lurker, > >i see a pattern. > > > > >>>hoping to learn something about the thought and >>>work of formerly east bloc artists > >in a zoo +? > >or +? > > > > >>>and friends > >let us not draw conclusions until sentiments exist indicating we are friends. > > > > >>>in respect to new >>>communications technologies and art. but i do read the list avidly and >>>can't resist making some observations. >>>I do not find it especially helpful to compare this situation to ancient >>>athens, > > >tres bien. let us rename it ancient sparta > >http://eusocial.com/242.art.mafia/open-hand.html > > > > > > > >>>for a myriad of reasons, > > >reasons are the equiv of bumpers on automobiles. > > > > >>>the most direct being that we do not live >>>on the list, and net communications have a distinctly linear feel despite >>>all the hype. We do not live on it "in the round." In my observation, the >>>list ceases to be interesting in pretty direct proportion to nn's posts, >>>and it is somewhat arrogant to expect a participant to have to decode a >>>private orthography in order to "get it." > >you misunderstand. i communicate with those that want me >and experience my ecstasy and suffering. > > > > > >>> I wouldn't mind the posts if they >>>didn't polarize and shrink the entire list to pros and cons about it. >>>Indeed, i used to enjoy some of them, delete the rest. But when I get my >>>email while traveling, i resent the endless "mutterings" that these posts >>>seem to constitute. > >i resent your silence and selfish ways. why is it you take and >give naught +? > >are you love +? >love says: somehow i doubt it. > > > > > >>>(The endless nn yenta, always commenting on everyone >>>else, picking on their language, competes with a very nicely tuned nn >>>anti-corporate, anti-bullshit set of remarks.) > >because nn's iq has been determined to be that of a genius. >as you are aware only the mediocre are consistent. >i cannot be bothered. > > > >>>Freedom of speech is not the primary issue, > >our minds are pulsing together. > > > >>>and threats to sic the >>>correctness police on the list is an ironic reversal of oother >>>authoritarian tropes, i humbly suggest; > >why humbly +? > > > >>a list is neither society nor the >>>public sphere in toto. > >nor a zoo +? > > >>I am not advocating asking nn to leave, > >i like it when i am asked. >as do you +? > > > >>>for the >>>decision is not mine, but ask yourself, when you play a game, what happens >>>when the bully insists that it is always his/her turn at the bat; at a >>>forum, what if she/he jumps up for the microphone after every remark >>>someone else has made, simply to snipe,and not actually engage their >>>points? > >pulsing together. >for nn has never prohibited one other from pulsing. >nn is being prohibited by one other from pulsing. > > >so yes - our minds are pulsing together. > >but i think yours has 3 bumpers. > >why +? > > > > > >>>Of course, this analogy is poor, > >most analogies as most people are poor. >i am rich but i love to share. > >it may because i love to share that i am rich. > >it may also be that i am not free because i am unhappy >or it may be that i am unhappy because i am free. > >what do you think +? [asking] > > > >>>because only one person can speak >>>at a forum at once, but it is not wholly inappropriate. Pretty soon, the >>>discussion is about rules and personality, not about substatntive issues. >>> I have been in many, many political gatherings where a bloc of extreme >>>leftists (or a strongly vocal single representative) stood up to denounce >>>the incorrect political "line" each speaker was espousing, according to the >>>commentator. This well-known tactic has a name: disruption. >>>even war has rules of engagement. > >as does mystical rapture. >which one interests you more: war or mystical rapture +? > > >>>respectfully, > >flesh touching flesh generates a perfume, while the friction of words >generates only pain and division. > > >>>martha rosler > > >nn > > >>>brooklyn, new york > >i see a pattern. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >patterns you may have missed >because no one asked you. > > >friendly.nn > > > > > > > > > > > > /_/ > / > \ \/ i should like to be a human plant > \/ __ > __/ > i will shed leaves in the shade > \_\ because i like stepping on bugs > > > >*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- >Netochka Nezvanova nezvanova@eusocial.com > http://www.eusocial.com > http://www.biohakc.com > http://www.ggttctttat.com/! > n r . 5 !!! http://steim.nl/leaves/petalz >*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- --*--*--*--*--*--*-- > > > > > > > > >+ See sidepanel for exciting recipe ideas. >-> Rhizome.org >-> post: list@rhizome.org >-> questions: info@rhizome.org >-> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/subscribe.rhiz >-> give: http://rhizome.org/support >+ >Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the >Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php3 > > . . .... ..... net.wurker][M.ollient][ pro.ject.ile x.blooms.x .go.here. xXXx ./. www.hotkey.net.au/~netwurker .... . .??? ....... -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 129.0 Syndicate: RHIZOME_RAW: [ot] [!nt] \n2+0\ danz!ng = 01 good metafor ne +? ][-n.sert-][ n/a Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:19:09 +1000 >X-From_: owner-list@rhizome.org Wed Aug 15 15:14:32 2001 >Delivered-To: netwurker@hotkey.net.au >Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 06:23:06 +0200 (CEST) >From: integer@www.god-emil.dk >To: lev@shoko.calarts.edu >Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: [ot] [!nt] \n2+0\ danz!ng = 01 good metafor ne +? >Sender: owner-list@rhizome.org >Reply-To: integer@www.god-emil.dk > > > > >bkausz !t !z good 2 knou r!ght +? > > > > >01 very very courageous person from Eastern Europe wrote in regards to >the Syndicate forum financed by the V2 and Transmediale artistic organizations > > >>MDear Inke,aybe because of my very different background - I >>grew up in a totalitarian country, where I was forced into >>a conspirational existence, I know what it is like - i am >>very sensible to censorship and inclusion/exclusion >>matters, and i strongly disagree with banning anybody from >>the list. >> >>If nn does will not have opportunity to show up >>on the syndicate list I will inform the 'Index on >>Censorship' forum and paper about the situation created, >>and suggest to start collecting all records referring to >>nn's case. This paper made echoing worldwide also Salman >>Rushdie's affair. > > > > > > > > > >1001 ventuze. nn > > > > > > > > /_/ > / > \ \/ i should like to be a human plant > \/ __ > __/ > i will shed leaves in the shade > \_\ because i like stepping on bugs > > > >*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- >Netochka Nezvanova nezvanova@eusocial.com > http://www.eusocial.com > http://www.biohakc.com > http://www.ggttctttat.com/! > n r . 5 !!! http://steim.nl/leaves/petalz >*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- --*--*--*--*--*--*-- > > > > > > > > > >+ See sidepanel for exciting recipe ideas. >-> Rhizome.org >-> post: list@rhizome.org >-> questions: info@rhizome.org >-> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/subscribe.rhiz >-> give: http://rhizome.org/support >+ >Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the >Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php3 > > . . .... ..... net.wurker][M.ollient][ pro.ject.ile x.blooms.x .go.here. xXXx ./. www.hotkey.net.au/~netwurker .... . .??? ....... -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 130.0 Re: Syndicate: Bans & Free Speech { brad brace } n/a Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:08:36 +0100 like all curators he had to obey orders and was not qualified to receive explanations The 12hr-ISBN-JPEG Project >>>> since 1994 <<<< + + + serial ftp://ftp.eskimo.com/u/b/bbrace + + + eccentric ftp://ftp.idiom.com/users/bbrace + + + continuous ftp://ftp.teleport.com/users/bbrace + + + hypermodern ftp://ftp.rdrop.com/pub/users/bbrace + + + imagery ftp://ftp.pacifier.com/pub/users/bbrace News://alt.binaries.pictures.12hr ://a.b.p.fine-art.misc Reverse Solidus: http://www.teleport.com/~bbrace/bbrace.html http://www.eskimo.com/~bbrace/bbrace.html Mirror: http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/ { brad brace } <<<< bbrace@eskimo.com >>>> ~finger for pgp -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 131.0 Re: Syndicate: Re: what happend? { brad brace } n/a Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:16:08 +0100 NN = Mata Hari -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 132.0 Re: Syndicate: Bans & Free Speech Amy Alexander n/a Wed, 15 Aug 2001 00:25:15 -0700 (PDT) hi patrick and all, i think you raise some interesting issues which are worth thinking about on a scope larger than the NN issue. especially since there will probably always be some Problematic Persona (PP), who some want to read and for others "ruins" the list. it's been suggested that the PP in discussion at the moment is actually a computer program. should that be grounds for disqualification, or would some consider that aesthetically interesting, and free expression on the part of the programmers? it's been suggested that our PP is merely posting to create a mystique which assists in marketing its commercial software. again, if true, some may consider this grounds for disqualification; others may continue to be interested in PP's texts in this context, still others may point out the blurry lines that can creep up between resisting dominant cultures and commercialism, such as arose on some lists regarding the alternative top-level-domain project. so maybe it's the interface that's the problem. some suggest that the answer to a PP is user-applied filtering, but other readers don't know how to filter. perhaps a Filtering FAQ at minimum would be helpful. it would need to include all the popular mail programs. and it would still be problematic, because, as has been demonstrated, anyone at any moment can become a PP. and also, for people who do client-side filtering (most people), they still have to wait/pay to download all the messages. but i think it would help alleviate things a lot. the listserv as a distribution means makes me think of the recent articles in some of the mainstream media about the current "dumb" internet vs. a hypothetical "smart" one. "dumb" internet means the internet doesn't know what is being sent across it; the "smarts" is in the application. some corporations are blaming the "dumb" internet for their lack of profits, saying they can't control it so therefore they've got no way to control quality/reliability and thus the failed profits. corporations like microsoft are developing "smart" systems for the internet, such as .NET, in which they control access centrally. (translation: keey paying microsoft money or lose access to your software.) "dumb" and "smart" as used here aren't value judgments (not from me at least), but rather a description of where the "brains" (control) of the communication network are located. a list or BBS can be thought of as parallelling this dumb/smart structure. an unmoderated listserv is "dumb" at the headend, and if you don't filter, then it becomes "dumb" at the client end too. on the other hand, some people filter, and so for them, the app is "smart." but the non-filtering people probably don't think of it this way, and for many of them, the signal-to-noise ratio seems too low. on top of that, some s*bscribers are paying for the bandwidth to download the messages before they can filter; others have no bandwidth fees, and still others have the ability to filter on the server. the irony is, listservs are often chosen for discussion groups over, say, web-based forums, because they have very little technical requirement of the user - after all, it's just ASCII text e-mail - and can work on any computer. a very egalitarian thing; everyone's got equal access to the data as long as they've got a computer, a modem, and basic internet access, right? oops - not really the case anymore. we're really not all dealing with the same list - nowadays there's a lot of "smartness" - or not - happening on the client end - and in all different flavors. there are some who suggest that maybe Syndicate is over, that it's outlived its usefulness. but maybe it's the listserv format that's outlived its usefulness? are there other possible options/modifications? the slashdot format comes to mind as an example. NOTE: i am not suggesting that the slashdot format should be literally applied to syndicate, or any other listserv. there are various reasons why i think that would not be a good idea. and it's certainly not perfect for slashdot itself. but i think its format is worth looking at as a bouncing off point for idea-mulling. some features: 1) readers have the choice of reading comments in chronological order, threaded, or by rating points. they also can set a threshold of ratings, so that low rated posts (presumably trolls) don't show up in their browser. or they can read them all. 2) readers "moderate" one another's comments. but moderation never means the comment is deleted; only that it gains or subtracts points. Problematic Personalities are likely to have their comments moderated down to -1 (troll), but they can still be read by those who wish to. (of course this process is itself wildly problematic, as ideologies and other things can of course play a part, but...) 3) currently-moderating readers are "meta-moderated" by other readers to prevent abuse (hopefully.) readers who are consistently meta-moderated as being bad moderators lose moderator privileges. 4) anyone who wants to post anonymously (Anonymous Coward) starts out with 0 points; anyone posting under their real nick starts with 1, each time they post. most trolls post as AC. so, if you want to read slashdot without all the PP posts, you set your threshold to 0 or -1. you are choosing to let the community at large decide what is troll and what is not, as opposed to downloading a page full of PP posts. if on the other hand you want to see the PP posts, then you set your threshold to show everything. (you still have other options to sort by thread, etc.) 4a) some Anonymous Coward's aren't trolls; they're people who need to post anonymously to protect themselves from whomever. those posts can be and are moderated up, despite the one-point handicap they start out with. 5) the whole thing is wildly problematic of course. but it's interesting in that a) it has "smart" aspects at the individual client end but also in the user community at large. yet there is very little "smart" *centralized* control, as there is in the microsoft .NET example b) every user has the same semi-smart interface. (the web browser.) of course web browsers are different, but i believe it even works fine with lynx (text-based browser.) of course, one *big* drawback is that you have to stay online to really read slashdot; you can't download it via POP and then disconnect - not very good if you're paying for your online time. to reiterate: i'm not suggesting that syndicate or any other listserv should be converted to slashcode or any other web-based system. however, i think it could be useful to consider whether an alternative structure could be developed. maybe offering a client-side app that could work with downloaded mail and allow users to more easily sort messages? maybe two separate streams of the listserv (something like there are on rhizome and nettime, but with less centralized moderation); one which includes all mail, and one which filters out or makes a daily digest of messages by people who send more than 20 messages a week (or some other criteria... ) those aren't terribly creative or great suggestions specifically, but again, my point is really to point out that everyone is not experiencing the same list, that e-mail is not an egalitarian experience - people have access to different technology and have different knowlege levels in how to filter, sort, download, etc... so perhaps there can be ways to address that, or at the very least acknowledge it. -@ On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, patrick lichty wrote: > > So far, I have outlined an argument aimed at mapping the issues at > stake regarding free speech on listservs. Next, what could be some > protocols for culling the signal to noise ratio? > -- plagiarist.org Recontextualizing script-kiddyism as net-art for over 1/20 of a century. -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 133.0 Lovink: Re: Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _NN - what happend Syndicate admin n/a Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:51:06 +0200 (CEST) From: "geert" <geert@basis.desk.nl> To: "syndicate" <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> Subject: Re: Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _NN - what happend Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:41:40 +1000 From: "Andrej Tisma" <aart@eunet.yu> > If you and Andreas think you will feel better after uns*bscribing me > from this list too, just do it. From now on you don't have my moral > confidence. I think it is the best for you to leave on this list just > the Soros Swastika worshiping people and exchange your stupid corporate > info with each other. Be a brave man, Andrej Tisma. If you have lost your moral confidence, then unsubscribe yourself and leave Syndicate to the corporate fascist soros swastika people. Who stops you from starting another list? Geert -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 134.0 Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _censorship, syndicate & nn Syndicate admin n/a Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:18:15 +0200 (CEST) [<jaka@jaka.org> *ns*bscribed from Syndicate on 15 Aug 2001 before posting to the Syndicate list - that's why his message bounced and not because of censorship] Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 02:10:35 +0200 From: Jaka Zeleznikar <jaka@jaka.org> Organization: http://www.jaka.org To: syndicate <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> Subject: _censorship, syndicate & nn Dear Inke, Andreas, Eric, Lorenzo, Syndicate members #_1 Inke, Andreas, Eric #_2 new list ? #_3 Lorenzo # 1 Inke, Andreas, Eric I respect very much the work you and some other people put into the Syndicate. Still i disagree with the way Syndicate is working: censorship and off list decision making. This is not only about nn - it's about general attitude to the list. Nn beside some relevant and poetic statements also bringed a disturbing noise to the list, this i agree. Still i think mail filter is better solution then censorship. I was accused of being 'opinion maker' on Syndicate. Not true. I joust wished to actively participate in something i considered as 'my*' mailing list. *meaning: i felt like part of it But don't worry, i will take very passive role on the list in the future if i will not [x]ns[x]bscribe from it. So your opinion will not be disturbed by a member. And syndicate will became more peaceful, we-all-agree list? (Not to be taken to seriously and not completely as a joke.) #_2 Idea of 'free-syndicate@jaka.org' / another list - first i took this as insult but more that i think about it more i like the idea. There is tension on Syndicate list. By creating another free, unmoderated (net/web art) list problem is solved, nobody have to [x]nsubscribe from Syndicate and complain about censorship, some people get what they wish (i don' think only to nn if nn would s[x]bscribe to it at all) and other on Syndicate don't get what they don't wish. A list not against/for Syndicate, not Syndicate+nn and alike and not for/against nn. For all kind of experimental and already established (web net online ...) art or art related things. And definitely with no words: 'syndicate' and 'jaka' in the name. If you have some thoughts on that, have software know how, web space, server, idea for the name, to much money, statement against creation of something like that, to tell me this exist already ... please contact me (jaka@jaka.org + cc: shareartware@netscape.net). So if there is some interest we can create temporary and open list to plan how to create such list (+ web archive of so far nonpublic mails). #_3 To Lorenzo: in net communication we tend to be over emotional, but to express a dead wish is a stupid thing to do. (Try to do the same and mention one of important + famous politic and i'm shure you will get a 'friendly' visit/attention from the police.) click, jaka zeleznikar -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 135.0 Syndicate: Mark Eaton: Re: nn Syndicate admin n/a Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:20:57 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 22:33:12 +0200 Subject: BOUNCE syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de: Non-member submission from [mark eaton <eaton@freeshell.org>] Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 20:37:14 +0000 (UTC) From: mark eaton <eaton@freeshell.org> X-X-Sender: <eaton@sdf.lonestar.org> To: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> Subject: Re: nn i feel it would be vastly unfortunate to loose nn on this list. do those who run this list desire to sculpt its flow? They may restrain themselves, but my guess is yes; many of us may want to. I have the vague desire that it be 'better'. <grin>. Nn wants to sculpt too. have you noticed? but theres a differece: sculpting a amalgam like a list/society/discourse is a different thing than wanting to sculpt individuals (as nn does). so, what is implied in the difference of approach? or if you like, your favourite means to better quality discourse? what shall we sculpt today? -Mark Eaton -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 136.0 Syndicate: opinion makers Frederic Madre n/a Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:22:28 +0200 >From: Jaka Zeleznikar <jaka@jaka.org> >I was accused of being 'opinion maker' on Syndicate. oh... this was meant as an insult ? f. > Not true. -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 137.0 saul ostrow: Re: Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _NN - what happend? Syndicate admin n/a Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:24:00 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:39:35 +0200 Subject: BOUNCE syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de: Non-member submission from [saul ostrow <so5@nyu.edu>] Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:45:14 -0400 From: saul ostrow <so5@nyu.edu> Subject: Re: Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _NN - what happend? So integer wins -- these splitters and wreckers know how to carry out their task -- invade the healthy body -- test its defenses and sow divisiveness and then leave nothing but bickering and name calling behind and we in our blindness do their bidding -- As we know or should by now our desires and our ideals can be used against us -- they can be stolen and distorted -- this is what integer did -- it made us come to terms with what are the limits of freedom not as mere anarchistic license to impose ones will on others but as an act of responsibility which acknowledges the rights and existence of others and the necessity to test and redress those when they become restrictive -- integer was not capable of giving us the respect that we gave it and took our tolerance as a weakness, preying upon our insecurities -- this is something to learn from not bicker about Syndicate admin. wrote: > > ----- Forwarded message from syndicate-owner@eg-r.isp-eg.de ----- > Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 22:30:36 +0200 > From: syndicate-owner@eg-r.isp-eg.de > Reply-To: syndicate-owner@eg-r.isp-eg.de > Subject: BOUNCE syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de: Admin request of type /\buns\w*b/i > at line 7 > To: syndicate@v2.nl > > Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 22:34:07 +0200 > From: Andrej Tisma <aart@EUnet.yu> > Organization: Happiness > To: syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de > Subject: Re: Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _NN - what happend? > > Inke Arns wrote: > >i am not ready to administrate a mailing list which is called >"[integer], > >formerly known as Syndicate". > > Now I think you are administrating the Corporate Fascist! list. > Are you satisfied now? > If you and Andreas think you will feel better after uns*bscribing me > from this list too, just do it. From now on you don't have my moral > confidence. I think it is the best for you to leave on this list just > the Soros Swastika worshiping people and exchange your stupid corporate > info with each other. > > ----- End forwarded message ----- -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 138.0 Of korpse we've seen this before.... Gregory Taylor n/a Wed, 15 Aug 2001 12:53:21 -0500 Inke Arns wrote: > At 13:35 15.08.01 +0200, Andreas Broeckmann wrote: > >[taylor works for cycling74, the company that owns MAX, the parent-software > >to NATO which nn tries to oedipally kill; -a] Actually, we *dont'* own Max. We're it's exclusive publishers, having inherited the code base from IRCAM in '80 or so, and having done all the development since that time [including all the QuickTime-based movie objects from which nato was probably derived]. Max is jointly held by Cycling '74 and IRCAM, that relationship being renegotiated since Gibson pulled the plug on Opcode, who used to be the third "owner." We do own all of MSP, however. Oedipal? Naah - O. didn't know who his father *was.* NN does - a marriage of the Max/MSP SDK and the QuickTime spec, in large measure. The logorrhea is nurture, not nature. > thanks for forwarding gregory's email, andreas, this reads like an island > of sanity in the sea of unhealthy insults ;) Aw, shucks. I just wanted to mention in some way that, despite the claims of utterly revolutionary modes of action, etc. etc. etc. etc. to the contrary, the pattern of behavior is something that any number of us have seen before. But since very few of us appear to have decided that there's any use in publicly engaging in any countertheatrics, the later targets don't have much contact with the earlier targets. Sometimes a friendly "We've seen this, and it will pass." word of comfort seems in order. I think that what did it for me finally was the "I will now reveal details of Andreas' private life...." shit. Here's the place where the 'struct absolutely *depends* on its being constituted as an anonymous bunch of folks hiding behind a bit NN cutout. The brave new cyberworld wasn't supposed to be about this, was it? I'm not sure who the rest of you all are, but welcome to the Society of the InsufficieNNtly Worshipful. Andreas is, bien sur, correct about my relationship with Cycling '74. If any of you have any questions about either our specific experiences, or perhaps about the drearily predictable version of the NN Big Lie campaign with respect to c74, ask. While we don't publicly engage, we're all pretty upfront about stuff in private (fight memes with memes. In our case, personal narratives from real persons delivered only to the interested). with every good wish and my condolences, gregory taylor _ knowledge is not enough/science is not enough/ love is dreaming/this equation/Gregory Taylor/ WORT-FM 89.9/Madison, WI/ http://www.rtqe.net/ 139.0 Tisma: Re: Lovink: Re: Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _NN - what happend Syndicate admin n/a Wed, 15 Aug 2001 19:54:12 +0200 (CEST) Subject: BOUNCE syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de: Admin request of type / \bunsubscribe\b/i at line 4 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 18:39:29 +0200 From: Andrej Tisma <aart@EUnet.yu> Subject: Re: Lovink: Re: Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _NN - what happend From: "geert" <geert@basis.desk.nl> > > Be a brave man, Andrej Tisma. If you have lost your moral confidence, then > *ns*bscribe yourself and leave Syndicate to the corporate fascist soros > swastika people. > > Who stops you from starting another list? > > Geert Oh look who's here, the famous Big Brother Lovink, the Great Censor of the open net. Sure Geert I am not brave as you, like when you removed me from the Nettime list without any warning, just because I was criticizing the Kosovo Liberation Army thugs in 1998. But I know, KLA is also sponsored by your papa Soros. I wander would you dare to s*bscribe me on Nettime list now? Ha? What would papa say! -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 140.0 Syndicate: Re: NN = NON ENTITY... furtherfield n/a Wed, 15 Aug 2001 19:50:10 +0000 the evidence of non debate and isolationist tactics is below... need I say anymore... marc garrett on 15/8/01 3:43 AM, integer@www.god-emil.dk at integer@www.god-emil.dk > > >>> I did not want to comment or waste my time on this but it seems that I will >>> concede now - and put my head on the block like everyone else has been >>> doing. > > > 1001 smiles+++. male losers - they are always feeling guilty about something > or other. > > > >>> The reason is that on rhizome I was attacked personally a few times by NN. > > > nn laughs + slaps you again. come on kr!!!!ket!! i lv++++++++ stepping on > drunken refuse. > > > nn - dze deepezt mean!ng ov rep!raz!on > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > + See sidepanel for exciting recipe ideas. > -> Rhizome.org > -> post: list@rhizome.org > -> questions: info@rhizome.org > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/subscribe.rhiz > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support > + > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the > Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php3 > > -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 141.0 Syndicate: The Syndicate's Revolution... furtherfield n/a Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:12:17 +0000 Below more evidence of the facile non productive remarks that have graced the lists, blocking real creative intentions. We are dealing with sub standard male type programmers here who are not interested in art, freedom, debate, life, and global unity = smells pretty close to fascism to me. (NN and the mob) have always actively threatened many liberated thinkers, artists, list members for challenging their macho actions. TIme for a change 'The Syndicate's Revolution' is at hand - soon at last we can all speak to each other about ideas, events, creative politics freely - I do believe that we will actually begin to experience of free speach... Wow could that really happen? Let's see - watch this space... marc garrett >> >> >>>> I did not want to comment or waste my time on this but it seems that I will >>>> concede now - and put my head on the block like everyone else has been >>>> doing. >> >> >> 1001 smiles+++. male losers - they are always feeling guilty about > something or other. >> >> >> >>>> The reason is that on rhizome I was attacked personally a few times by NN. >> >> >> nn laughs + slaps you again. come on kr!!!!ket!! i lv++++++++ stepping on > drunken refuse. >> >> >> nn - dze deepezt mean!ng ov rep!raz!on >> >> >> \ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> + See sidepanel for exciting recipe ideas. >> -> Rhizome.org >> -> post: list@rhizome.org >> -> questions: info@rhizome.org >> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/subscribe.rhiz >> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support >> + >> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the >> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php3 >> >> > > . . .... ..... > net.wurker][M.ollient][ > pro.ject.ile x.blooms.x .go.here. > xXXx > ./. > www.hotkey.net.au/~netwurker -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 142.0 Syndicate: NN future Diana McCarty n/a Wed, 15 Aug 2001 22:47:04 +0200 Hello Syndicalists, Just a short note: if this is the syndicate without NN, please bring her/him/them/it back. Or maybe the answer would be to start a list for the NN traumatized? I don't know if there was more going on in the background that the admin had to deal with, but what is going on in the foreground is frightening. I'd much rather read/delete the interesting/annoying/funny mails from NN than what is getting generated at the moment. disappointed, diana -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 143.0 Syndicate: NN - is not the issue furtherfield n/a Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:50:56 +0000 I didn't actually know until you so directly and honestly mentioned below that it was about winning... And the debate goes much further than the singular issue of NN. It is about the programmers themselves imposing their attitudes on others. Lets all grow up shall we for a moment... I know that it is traditional to let fascists bully people in the western world. And walk about in big boots kicking anyone who declares ideas different to their own limited remit. But I am not interested in being used as some one elses toy by another toy, which is what all this nonsensical imposition is all about. To sacrifice other people's freedoms for a mere idea is the typical, institutional state sucking, weak willed means of thought that threatens collective thought. The psychology that has been imposed onto the list members by the programmers irresponsible actions is causing problems that a few are quite happy to sacrifice fir the sake of their own prestige. Now that is really KOOL isn't it...for the sake of the few, create a programme to divert true creative freedom from taking its course - this is a right wing tactic... divide and rule (heard of it?) institutionalized curators would love this idea, plus NATO who are/have paid for such a dodgy enterprise at our cost. NN - is not the issue - its the programmers who have let it reign and dominate true questioning, don't you get it yet? Please get real everyone or are we going to just let these thugs in cyber suits who look kool, without the real soul for change - true change that is, rule our lives in cuber space as they flippantly say Fuck you! As they boast (typical macho style) in bloke-like mentality say: We are the Winners... if that is so then corporate non enterprise and all its delusory antics will carry on ruling our lives for its own usual corrupt reasons !!!POWER!!! Respect to all who are awake enough to reach inside their unprocessed, mediated minds to question... marc garrett -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 144.0 Re: Syndicate: NN future furtherfield n/a Wed, 15 Aug 2001 22:26:15 +0000 What is frightening about it all Diana... do you not see what has really been going on? Or are you from the same stock, institutional gang, pulling ranks etc I find that more frightening... respect from Marc on 15/8/01 8:47 PM, Diana McCarty at diana@vifu.de wrote: > Hello Syndicalists, > > Just a short note: if this is the syndicate without NN, > please bring her/him/them/it back. Or maybe the answer > would be to start a list for the NN traumatized? > I don't know if there was more going on in the > background that the admin had to deal with, but what > is going on in the foreground is frightening. I'd much > rather read/delete the interesting/annoying/funny mails > from NN than what is getting generated at the moment. > > > disappointed, > > diana > -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- > Syndicate network for media culture and media art > information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate > to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> > to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in > the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress > -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 145.0 Syndicate: infancy + childhood Andrej Tisma n/a Thu, 16 Aug 2001 01:07:53 +0200 NN WROTE: --------------------------------------------- Geert Lovink "FF" <geert@basis.desk.nl> playing the schoolyard buuuuuoy >> Be a brave man, Andrej Tisma. UUu dear, permit someone to respire playfully + become ultra intoxicated with lovely pheromones. Geert, we are all women [brave isn't necessary. women are brave] here except for you and Andreas so, why don't _you be a M A N and tell us about your illegal activities in your own articulate maniera, so that we do not have to exert our selves. or if you prefer since you are a M A N, draw a picture for us. >> If you have lost your moral confidence, then >> uns*bscribe yourself Geert, be a M A N and uns*bscribe all of us! It may be better for your mental health than covering up your cronies' Andreas Broeckmann's, V2's and Transmediale's actions [against humanity] >> and leave Syndicate to the corporate fascist soros >> swastika people. >> >> Who stops you from starting another list? >> >> Geert You Lovink. Because you steal public money and use it against humanity. Are you coming or do you prefer being dragged before the tribunal +? I can understand that you may want to cover up Andreas Broeckmann's activities since he ensures you receive some funding for your modest work, but Geert, if you continue like this - you will only dig yourself in the super.filth more. more and more. And by the way. I wanted to ask since ... Are you a RASIST M A N? Seriously, because everyone you have liquidated is Eastern European. Am wondering whether you are conducting a genocide or ... you just feel very attracted to us +? It _is why you visit us right +? You aren't coming over to _hurt us are you +? It is amusing because, the other M A N (Broeckmann) controls my travel plans and projects. I think that is very inhospitable. Last question if I may. What is your education Lovink +? Andreas - what is yours +? Reason for my impropriety - I aspire to be a V2 and Transmediale employee as well (or a M A N (whichever you like) and ... I wish to be very well prepared. NN - respiring painfully Update: Andreas Broeckmann. Inke Arns. Geert Lovink are controlling all information arriving on Syndicate and Nettime. ie. all pertinent information is blocked on Nettime and Syndicate. (entirely_ if one is silenced - even Andreas, Inke and Geert can appear democratic and articulate. there is a problem however : the neo cortex goes silent in the presence of neo fascism - http://eusocial.com/242.art.mafia/open-hand.html - http://eusocial.com/242.cast/ Besides NN others are now being clandestinely silenced on Syndicate. essentially any one who has found the Andreas. Inke. Geert inarticulate axis intellectually laughable has been designated for silencing. There exist two+ issues: 1. the legal aspect. 2. the principal concern is others may acquaint themselves with this V2 and Transmediale financed art.mafia which has been destroying artists' and others' lives for years and very incompetently and clandestinely deciding what is and what isn't. Andreas Broeckmann. Inke Arns. Geert Lovink, the V2 and Transmediale organizations TRADE IN FAVORS. And thus a "code of silence" has been implemented by them around all public information hubs that they control. Andreas Broeckmann "assists" Inke Arns on Syndicate. Geert Lovink "assists" Andreas Broeckmann and Inke Arns on Nettime. Andreas Broeckmann ensures Geert Lovink's modest work is financed. Now, with all roads sealed Andreas Broeckmann, Inke Arns, Geert Lovink, will attempt to paint their personal ring as the wish of the people. .. standard criminal maneuvering. - Contact the V2 and Transmediale organizations and send them a clear message: Stop financing the Art Mafia! Request the immediate resignation of Inke Arns, Andreas Broeckmann, and Geert Lovink. and a through investigation into organization-wide corruption at V2 and Transmediale [same same same + same + same + same thing. year after year after year after year. korporat sludge] there is less corruption in politics than in the V2 and Transmediale organizations. sludge] V2 organization - v2@v2.nl Transmediale organization - info@transmediale.de One may be frightened and it is understandable. After all Andreas Broeckmann. Inke Arns. Geert Lovink, the V2 and Transmediale organizations may decide one's travel plans. Either by supporting death \ murder threats or the more subtil and expedient "favors" One may reason - It is unreasonable to sacrifice real advantage for mere truth. After all Andreas Broeckmann. Inke Arns. Geert Lovink, the V2 and Transmediale organizations may decide one's career plans. Either by supporting death \ murder threats or the more subtil and expedient "favors" It isn't unreasonable. It is emotional. We are taught reason but also ... we are taught emotion. Reason and its quale, emotion, rise together - to heights of musical, poetic or dramatic composition. Rational acts can be passionately engaged in or coldly executed. That, some have called unreason, emotion, transports us into clarity and beauty, and liberates us from the despair of isolation. It is by being attentive to our emotional education that we grow the wings to cross the solipsistic gulf. This is reasonable. [2x of course has always known. some ... just take longer than others. coming +?] *** Not everyone employed by the V2 and Transmediale organizations is sludge, hence ... please be gentle on the curves. : to V2 and Transmediale - this is a scandal. : Stop financing the Art.Mafia! NN (a noble act + public vocabulary of private distress) related: http://eusocial.com/242.art.mafia/open-hand.html http://eusocial.com/242.cast/ /_/ / \ \/ i should like to be a human plant \/ __ __/ i will shed leaves in the shade \_\ because i like stepping on bugs *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- Netochka Nezvanova nezvanova@eusocial.com http://www.eusocial.com http://www.biohakc.com http://www.ggttctttat.com/! n r . 5 !!! http://steim.nl/leaves/petalz *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- --*--*--*--*--*--*-- -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 146.0 Re: Syndicate: visit of the uniform rl n/a Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:31:17 +1000 > i respect your opinion and if it turns > out by, say, the weekend, that there are clearly more people in favour of > resubscribing nn, i will suggest to the other admins that we do it. > In that case count me in favour of someone organising an nn list, so that all the interested parties can join it. I value the syndicate list, and appreciate its openness. So in any case, armed with my trusty filter... rainer linz ----- new: The Australian Sound Design Project http://www.sounddesign.unimelb.edu.au -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 147.0 Syndicate: shared environment ][-n.sert-][ n/a Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:20:52 +1000 >X-From_: integer@www.god-emil.dk Thu Aug 16 11:10:30 2001 >Delivered-To: netwurker@hotkey.net.au >Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 03:07:16 +0200 (CEST) >From: integer@www.god-emil.dk >To: info@furtherfield.org, list@rhizome.org >Subject: shared environment > > > > > > > >furtherfilth (info@furtherfield.org) stop your filthy personal agenda now worm. > >NEWS: you have just hurt someone who has done absolutely nothing to you. > > >Monster!!! > > > > > > > >Andreas Broeckmann. Inke Arns. Geert Lovink. > >Think about what you are doing NOW!!!!! > > >You can butcher me. If you continue hurting others > >there shall be a terrifying sound: THE SOUND OF PROTRACTED PAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!n > > > >Monsters!!! > > > > > > > > > > > . . .... ..... net.wurker][M.ollient][ pro.ject.ile x.blooms.x .go.here. xXXx ./. www.hotkey.net.au/~netwurker .... . .??? ....... -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 148.0 Syndicate: RHIZOME_RAW: let me treszpasz ur boundar!ez ][-n.sert-][ n/a Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:40:46 +1000 >X-From_: owner-list@rhizome.org Thu Aug 16 13:35:26 2001 >Delivered-To: netwurker@hotkey.net.au >Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 04:13:45 +0200 (CEST) >From: integer@www.god-emil.dk >To: syndicate@v2.nl >Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: let me treszpasz ur boundar!ez >Sender: owner-list@rhizome.org >Reply-To: integer@www.god-emil.dk > > > > > >>>From: furtherfield <info@furtherfield.org> >>>To: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, Julie <bluedahlias@mindspring.com> >>>Sender: syndicate-owner@eg-r.isp-eg.de >>> >>>Yep it's time for a change Julie - NN has been killing off everyone's space >>>on this list for far too long (plus its programmers), if we all stand >>>together against this corporate programme, > > >deleuze uakex up. azkz nn 4 zom uatr + trvlz bak 2 zl!!!p. >nn borouz h!z m9nd + za!z. fascism is a mass action. > > >deleuze = zpeakz !n h!z zl!!!p. ! m ztart!ng 2 undrztnd dze f!z!olog! ov orgazm. > >nn zm!lz + openz her parachute. > > > !t readz - Yep it's time for a change. > > > > > >nn - dze ekztendd 4rm ov !nter.pla! > > > > > > > > > > > >nn - arkitektural dekoration. LETZ KONJUGATE!!!!! - [deleuze haz a n!ghtmare] [nn zm!lz + fl!pz h!m upz!de doun] > > > > > > > > > pre.konssept!*n > meeTz ver!f1kat!*n. > > > > - > > Netochka Nezvanova - eksplod!ng galax!ez + !nflaz!onar! un!versez > 0f0003.MASCHIN3NKUNST > @www.eusocial.org > 17.hzV.tRL.478 > e > | > | +---------- > | | < > \\----------------+ | n2t^P > | > e > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >+ post punk christian network >-> Rhizome.org >-> post: list@rhizome.org >-> questions: info@rhizome.org >-> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/subscribe.rhiz >-> give: http://rhizome.org/support >+ >Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the >Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php3 > > . . .... ..... net.wurker][M.ollient][ pro.ject.ile x.blooms.x .go.here. xXXx ./. www.hotkey.net.au/~netwurker .... . .??? ....... -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 149.0 Re: Syndicate: NN future Andreas Broeckmann n/a Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:22:19 +0200 folks, >Just a short note: if this is the syndicate without NN, >please bring her/him/them/it back. i agree with diana. this is unbearable. there seems to be a clear desire to bring nn back to this list. Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:03:55 +0200 To: abroeck@transmediale.de From: majordom@eg-r.isp-eg.de Subject: Majordomo results -- >>>> s*bscribe syndicate integer@www.god-emil.dk Succeeded. >>>> for those of you who are not happy about this: there is an initiative for a new, redefined list that will be established hopefully within the next few days. some people who have been on this list for 5 1/2 years have started uns*bscribing, so you should not be too sure any more who is actually on this list from now on. regards, -a -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 150.0 Syndicate: "][mez][" 4warding of NN's mails Syndicate admin n/a Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:29:53 +0200 (CEST) BOUNCE syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de: Admin request of type /\buns\w*b/i at line 9 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:16:11 +1000 To: syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de From: "][mez][" <netwurker@hotkey.net.au> Subject: 4warding of NN's mails Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ...i've kept fairly silent until now about the NN action-rictus, and will continue doing so whilst the list is overflowing up with retro-ridiculous opinions and sentiments that in no way take a net.wurked dynamic in2 account... ..i do need, however, 2 x.plain *y* i'm sending NN's replies to the list.....as NN has been uns*bbed without a list consensus, i'll continue 2 4ward her replies as i assume a rite-of-reply should be allowed under the paradigm the syndicate list has adopted....... ..interesting that the word syndicate can mean: _A loose affiliation of gangsters in charge of organized criminal activities_ in a net.wurked spirit, ][mez][ . . .... ..... net.wurker][M.ollient][ pro.ject.ile x.blooms.x .go.here. xXXx ./. www.hotkey.net.au/~netwurker .... . .??? ....... -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 151.0 Syndicate: "][mez][" 4warding of NN's mails Syndicate admin n/a Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:32:22 +0200 (CEST) BOUNCE syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de: Admin request of type /\buns\w*b/i at line 9 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:16:11 +1000 To: syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de From: "][mez][" <netwurker@hotkey.net.au> Subject: 4warding of NN's mails Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ...i've kept fairly silent until now about the NN action-rictus, and will continue doing so whilst the list is overflowing up with retro-ridiculous opinions and sentiments that in no way take a net.wurked dynamic in2 account... ..i do need, however, 2 x.plain *y* i'm sending NN's replies to the list.....as NN has been uns*bbed without a list consensus, i'll continue 2 4ward her replies as i assume a rite-of-reply should be allowed under the paradigm the syndicate list has adopted....... ..interesting that the word syndicate can mean: _A loose affiliation of gangsters in charge of organized criminal activities_ in a net.wurked spirit, ][mez][ . . .... ..... net.wurker][M.ollient][ pro.ject.ile x.blooms.x .go.here. xXXx ./. www.hotkey.net.au/~netwurker .... . .??? ....... -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 152.0 ??? integer n/a Thu, 16 Aug 2001 10:06:23 +0200 (CEST) ma! ! hav zom uatr plz +? uen old behav!ourz = d!zolvd _ neu behav!ourz muzt b learn b! kooperat!v !nterakz!on ekzpreszd through komplemntar! goal d!rektd movmntz ov perzonz hav!ng 01 shared env!ronmnt + komon a!m. re:edukaz!on through danz!ng. nn zku!!!ntz, az Ted Byfield says. Cheers!!! [Lovink haz a n!ghtmare] [nn zm!lz + fl!pz h!m upz!de doun] \\ pr!or!t!ez = kan change abruptl! -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 153.0 ??? integer n/a Thu, 16 Aug 2001 10:11:25 +0200 (CEST) furtherfield <info@furtherfield.org> >Hello Integer, nn: inflexible yet aquatic good-morning good-morning good-morning to you >I will stop. nn: thank you love. >I'd rather get back with my work which is important to me. nn: awareness is important >If you do not hassle me, I will not hassle you.. nn: i am blind. >bye for now.... nn: bye love >enjoy the future nn programmers: if you give us your address we shall mail you a western version of nn. [m!!!!!!!!!!!au] nn: lorenzo - i am the seamless synaptic web of your neuropil. [translated for you - my address is your brain. NEVER SHOOT ME IF YOU KANT FIND ME!!!!!] NEVER SHOOT ME IF YOU KANT FIND ME BEAUTIFUL!!!!!] NEVER SHOOT ME!!!!!] | SHOOT YOUR BRAIN!!!!!] | | | | >respect from marc | NEVER RESPEKT ME!!!!!] NEVER MARRY ME!!!!!] | ALWAYS ADMIRE ME!!!!!] ------------------------- pre.konssept!*n meeTz ver!f1kat!*n. - Netochka Nezvanova - eksplod!ng galax!ez + !nflaz!onar! un!versez 0f0003.MASCHIN3NKUNST @www.eusocial.org 17.hzV.tRL.478 e | | +---------- | | < \\----------------+ | n2t^P | e -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 154.0 Syndicate: signe.la integer n/a Thu, 16 Aug 2001 10:43:17 +0200 (CEST) Andreas Broeckmann <abroeck@transmediale.de> >>folks, bleahhhhh >>>Just a short note: if this is the syndicate without NN, >>>please bring her/him/them/it back. >> >>i agree with diana. this is unbearable. cest ta faute. >>there seems to be a clear desire to >>bring nn back to this list. cest ta faute. \\ i learned something about you as well. your brain needs more sex. >some people who have been on this list for 5 1/2 years have started >uns*bscribing, so you should not be too sure any more who is actually on >this list from now on. albanian citizenz came `back`. >regards, >-a wait. wait. wait. dont go away just yet. before you amuse your self with geert sign the dotted line. [dont worry - Anna Balint would never do what you did] - 242.rambouillet.accord. Everyone shall feel much more relaxed once Anna Balint administers Syndicate with equal rights and equal power to the M E N of course. M A N ........... Andreas Broeckmann: - signe.la date: - date hier - now we go to macedonia. \\ nn zm!lz + openz her parachute. - Netochka Nezvanova - r!ch.bored.edukated. all dolled up 4|4|4 autumn 0f0003.MASCHIN3NKUNST @www.eusocial.com 17.hzV.tRL.478 e | | +---------- | | < \\----------------+ | n2t0 | > e -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 155.0 Re: Syndicate: NN future furtherfield n/a Thu, 16 Aug 2001 08:43:26 +0000 I will stop now - Point taken, NN can carry on with the emptiness - I will shit up without being backed up by those to whom it concerns.... there you go (censored)............silenced marc garrett on 15/8/01 9:55 PM, Saul Albert at saul.albert@virgin.net wrote: > Marc! Give it a rest mate! > > You are over reacting spectacularly. > > Please, just let it go! > > I don't find your posts any more interesting or helpful than integer's and > you are currently performing a similar function. Using the rhetoric of > integer's idiot-politics achieves nothing. > > I really enjoyed reading your "life as a shit" post the other day, and enjoy > your work and sites, but you really need to calm down. > > all thanks (for previous work) and respect, > > Saul. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: furtherfield <info@furtherfield.org> > To: Diana McCarty <diana@vifu.de>; <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 11:26 PM > Subject: Re: Syndicate: NN future > > >> What is frightening about it all Diana... >> do you not see what has really been going on? >> Or are you from the same stock, institutional gang, pulling ranks etc >> I find that more frightening... >> >> respect from Marc >> >> on 15/8/01 8:47 PM, Diana McCarty at diana@vifu.de wrote: >> >>> Hello Syndicalists, >>> >>> Just a short note: if this is the syndicate without NN, >>> please bring her/him/them/it back. Or maybe the answer >>> would be to start a list for the NN traumatized? >>> I don't know if there was more going on in the >>> background that the admin had to deal with, but what >>> is going on in the foreground is frightening. I'd much >>> rather read/delete the interesting/annoying/funny mails >>> from NN than what is getting generated at the moment. >>> >>> >>> disappointed, >>> >>> diana >>> -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- >>> Syndicate network for media culture and media art >>> information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate >>> to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> >>> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in >>> the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress >>> >> >> -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- >> Syndicate network for media culture and media art >> information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate >> to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> >> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in >> the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress >> > > > -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 156.0 Syndicate: NN, Syndicate & TV TALK SHOWS Lorenzo Taiuti n/a Thu, 16 Aug 2001 10:47:08 +0200 <html><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV>Dear Syndicate/s</DIV> <DIV>The fact that&nbsp;some&nbsp;people in the list find&nbsp;meaningful and worth supporting NN it is difficult to believe.</DIV> <DIV>The most obvious analisys of its acting&nbsp;shows clearly the nature of its presence.</DIV> <DIV>And its presence means= trendy/smart/chic/teen/consumist tactic to design (certainly not "sculpt") its own "commercial visibility".</DIV> <DIV>The NN&nbsp; controversy shows, i believe, two things: </DIV> <DIV>1- It shows that&nbsp;its tactic&nbsp;is succesfully turning a netlist into a TV TALK SHOW.</DIV> <DIV>2- It shows that its unbelievable "credibility" comes from a culture that is&nbsp;still lingering &nbsp;to the early Net Game: misterious identities, gender switching, plagiarism etc...</DIV> <DIV>We have seen many (so many!!)&nbsp;of those Net anarchists turn in very short time in very succesful businessmen.</DIV> <DIV>NN belongs to this harmful quality of persons.</DIV> <DIV>Greetings</DIV> <DIV>Lorenzo Taiuti&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2><FONT size=3></FONT><FONT size=3></FONT><BR>&nbsp;</DIV></FONT></BODY></HTML> </html> 157.0 Re: Syndicate: NN future Andrej Tisma n/a Thu, 16 Aug 2001 10:51:58 +0200 > Subject: Majordomo results > -- > >>>> s*bscribe syndicate integer@www.god-emil.dk > Succeeded. :) -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 158.0 Syndicate: Re: shared environment furtherfield n/a Thu, 16 Aug 2001 08:52:07 +0000 Hello Integer, I will stop. I'd rather get back with my work which is important to me. If you do not hassle me, I will not hassle you.. bye for now.... enjoy the future respect from marc > > furtherfilth (info@furtherfield.org) stop your filthy personal agenda now > worm. > > NEWS: you have just hurt someone who has done absolutely nothing to you. > > > Monster!!! > > > > > > > > Andreas Broeckmann. Inke Arns. Geert Lovink. > > Think about what you are doing NOW!!!!! > > > You can butcher me. If you continue hurting others > > there shall be a terrifying sound: THE SOUND OF PROTRACTED > PAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!n > > > > Monsters!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 159.0 Syndicate: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: info@furtherfilth.org furtherfield n/a Thu, 16 Aug 2001 08:54:42 +0000 I have never insulted you like you have always insulted other including myself. But I am going to stop - I am longer interested in this shallow debate... > > furtherfilth (info@furtherfield.org) i do not like pornographers. > i do not like demoralized. incompetent. illiterate. cowardly worms. > > > you want to destroy me - destroy me worm. > > do not hurt others in order to reach me. > > > keep your cowardly lying slime off innocent people. > > > > > and. if you want to destroy me - do so in a public space. > you'll enjoy it more. right +? or are you a sick pervert mr.worm +? > > > > you want to destroy me - destroy me pub.le!an. > it is the only way you will beget my attention. > > because as you know my fingertips are more expensive than yours. > > n* > > *n > > n* > > i utilize ultra.lux - zku!!!!!nt > > i do not exchange private correspondence with worms. > [in event you were wondering why] > > > > > > nn - simply.SUPERIOR [i make my own. sol.la. > > > info@furtherfield.org deklaims [hah] - "we can make our own world" > > > nn says to me [remember +?] let me bond with your smile!!!!! > > > > then in a drunken manner info@furtherfield.org > talks about the israelis and pornography etc etc > > > > frederic said: please shut up. > > nn za!z : and experience the warm glow of endorphins. zku!!!!!!!!!k. > > > > > warm kompaz!onat zm!le 2 01 kouardl! 2 b!t male. > [if you didn't know (try to read more books and watch less pornography) > 2x enjoys making simply.SUPERIOR remarks about 2 b!t males] > > > > as does laura croft. > > nn says: i am simply.SUPERIOR 2 laura croft. > > > > a.bon. this transmission is testing the plasticity of my simply.SUPERIOR skin > > > > -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 160.0 Re: Syndicate: future Eric Kluitenberg n/a Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:31:28 +0200 At 09:22 +0200 16-08-2001, Andreas Broeckmann wrote: >folks, > >for those of you who are not happy about this: there is an initiative for a >new, redefined list that will be established hopefully within the next few >days. hopefully, because I would really like to get rid of this ascii crap - a structure with a syndicate_raw and a filtered one sounds like a great idea, and I would be happy to be part of the filtered one... Maybe it is an idea to inform those 5 1/2 year subscribers personally about the new list once it is there - would be a shame to loose some really important contacts over this autistic nonsense. My guess will be that something similar will happen to the syndicate_raw version as to nettime_bold - nettime filtered having over 1500 subscribers, nettime_bold having 7 - yes 7 it is that rtidiculous. This is what we are really talking about seven people who block the rest of a list for over half a year - that is how long it took on nettime to give these stray sould there own little playground. But if that is what it takes - fine with me! greetings, eric -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 161.0 Re: Syndicate: NN, Syndicate & TV TALK SHOWS ][mez][ n/a Thu, 16 Aug 2001 19:33:00 +1000 At 10:47 AM 16/08/01 +0200, lorenzo wrote: > >Dear Syndicate/s The fact that some people in the list find meaningful and worth supporting NN it is difficult to believe. The most obvious analisys of its acting shows clearly the nature of its presence. And its presence means= trendy/smart/chic/teen/consumist tactic to design >(certainly not "sculpt") its own "commercial visibility". > i completely disagree here, lorenzo. i think u are unsuccessfully trying 2 categorize integer/NN in terms of labels that r non-applicable [2 understate it] & r n.deed highly n.appropriate [& nauseatingly predictable]. NN's methods r not trendy, if they were ppl would be adopting them rather than trying to censor them. >The NN controversy shows, i believe, two things: 1- It shows that its tactic is succesfully turning a netlist into a TV TALK SHOW. 2- It shows that its unbelievable "credibility" comes from a culture that is still lingering to the early Net Game: misterious identities, gender >switching, plagiarism etc... > yr points, i believe, show 2 things: 1- that yr understanding of the dynamics & operating theories regarding networked culture & synergy is misguided & steeped in the regurgitation of highly n.appropriate traditional me][a][taphors N mediums. 2- yr inability 2 analyse the phenomenon of integer/NN beyond typifiers such as "misterious identities, gender switching, plagiarism" shows a profound lack of understanding &/or insight. >We have seen many (so many!!) of those Net anarchists turn in very short time >in very succesful businessmen. please, name 3. >NN belongs to this harmful quality of persons. i disagree, again, and cannot believe i have let myself be drawn into such a pathetic discussion. path][ological][et][h][ic, mez . . .... ..... net.wurker][M.ollient][ pro.ject.ile x.blooms.x .go.here. xXXx ./. www.hotkey.net.au/~netwurker .... . .??? ....... -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 162.0 ??? integer n/a Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:48:25 +0200 (CEST) From: "Lorenzo Taiuti" <md3169@mclink.it> >Messaggio in formato MIME composto da piy parti. > >------=_NextPart_000_00BE_01C12640.CC41A0A0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >Dear Syndicate/s >The fact that some people in the list find meaningful and worth = >supporting NN it is difficult to believe. >The most obvious analisys of its acting shows clearly the nature of its = >presence. >And its presence means=3D trendy/smart/chic/teen/consumist tactic to = >design (certainly not "sculpt") its own "commercial visibility". >The NN controversy shows, i believe, two things:=20 >1- It shows that its tactic is succesfully turning a netlist into a TV = >TALK SHOW. >2- It shows that its unbelievable "credibility" comes from a culture = >that is still lingering to the early Net Game: misterious identities, = >gender switching, plagiarism etc... >We have seen many (so many!!) of those Net anarchists turn in very short = >time in very succesful businessmen. >NN belongs to this harmful quality of persons. >Greetings >Lorenzo Taiuti=20 > =20 lorenzo - since no one is privileged to be you you must expect no one other understands TV TALK SHOWs as well as you. should you wish to - please - do tell others more about "TV TALK SHOW" nn will listen. and more than likely bury you in your pelvic floor. mais - listen. although i never lose when playing with xyz it is fun watching since i do not own a television. [if you were raised in ost.europa you would understand why i do not own a television. childhood means soooooo much. + my childhood has been extended. because i am no ordinary person] >>We have seen many (so many!!) of those Net anarchists turn in very short = >>time in very successful businessmen. 2x adores money + success. it buys 01 amalgam of xyz. fun fun. modesty = 01 organized religious activity. it makes me very very uncomfortable + unsanitary feeling. yukkk. nn. - some of your microsoft korporat garbage fell out in the international corridors. i was uncertain what to do with it so hier - throw it out before it starts to smell like you. ------=_NextPart_000_00BE_01C12640.CC41A0A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 163.0 ??? integer n/a Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:05:35 +0200 (CEST) >From: "Lorenzo Taiuti" <md3169@mclink.it> > >>Messaggio in formato MIME composto da piy parti. >> >>------=_NextPart_000_00BE_01C12640.CC41A0A0 >>Content-Type: text/plain; >> charset="iso-8859-1" >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> >>Dear Syndicate/s >>The fact that some people in the list find meaningful and worth = >>supporting NN it is difficult to believe. >>The most obvious analisys of its acting shows clearly the nature of its = >>presence. >>And its presence means=3D trendy/smart/chic/teen/consumist tactic to = >>design (certainly not "sculpt") its own "commercial visibility". >>The NN controversy shows, i believe, two things:=20 >>1- It shows that its tactic is succesfully turning a netlist into a TV = >>TALK SHOW. >>2- It shows that its unbelievable "credibility" comes from a culture = >>that is still lingering to the early Net Game: misterious identities, = >>gender switching, plagiarism etc... >>We have seen many (so many!!) of those Net anarchists turn in very short = >>time in very succesful businessmen. >>NN belongs to this harmful quality of persons. >>Greetings >>Lorenzo Taiuti=20 >> =20 one more thing. please - do discuss your selve[s] sing your praises. i wish to listen. nn has made it clear she is simply.SUPERIOR so tell me about you. because i do not own a tele vision. nn - infancy + childhood - I UANT [! told u ! k!sz u alorz alorz quo! +? alorz. ever! 1 = trvld 4uard + ue trvld bak +? ou!. uhat do u z +? 01 baz!n ov atrakz!on dze lemn!zkal !nput. u r ter!bl dentritic arbors = simply.DELIZ!OUZ + v.konduziv 2 kortikal intimacy ____.. u r > dzn ter!bl. u r ! m ur tranzlatr + komentator 01 pr!vat vokabular! .... 4 dze mozt del!z!ouz ov all l!fe 4rmz +? u +? + she and he +? -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 164.0 Syndicate: What happend, after all? Igor n/a Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:36:41 +0200 dear all, Short vacation kept me out of the list for a week; so I miss the opportunity to timely contribute to the discussion(s). On the other hand, there was a very few arguments in discussion, after all. However, I think that uns+bscribing nn was wrong. Frankly, I do not see why nn is such a problem *for the list*. S/he does not send enormously large postings, does not terrorise list with binary attachments, so let it be, filter it, delete it, or read it. Sure, from time to time s/he is more annoying then average tolerance should bear. And, from time to time the whole thing starts to take shape of a pure ideology, nnism. Alas, syndicalism, exposed in many of the last week or so postings is not the solution - I will repeat ones more: one cannot successfully fight the ideology with the use of ideology. I may just imagine that nn is the huge problem *for some of the syndicalists*, due to personal relationships, previous flaming, some other historical reasons or something else (just guessing, don't care and don't want to know). At the end nn was res+bscribed, and, excuse possible ignorance, the list community lost the opportunity to, on a particular, heart-rending case, discuss the problem of freedom of the speech, censorship and some rules of behaviour on the list in general. Saying 'there are some basic rules for games and mailing lists.' without any clue what 'some' rules might be, is not only mystification, but also a very dangerous standpoint, possible road to oligarchy. Intentionally or not, doesn't matter. There is another temporary lost opportunity. If I'm not completely wrong, one of the issues raised as a side effect (though it might be a central issue), was The Money. Not a single rational piece on the topic, just personal antagonisms. Sure, through syndicate activities, through nettime activities, through other forums, meetings, actions etc, some people capitalise their own private capital, but what's so wrong with that. That's sad, cause the money is one of the interesting topics. It was even five years ago. In the meantime flow of international donors capital change the direction a bit; museums, galleries, ministries. at least in some post-easts countries start to act differently toward the 'new art/media/practices', sccas have a significantly different role and budget. and, I'm sorry Mark, but I do not see how discussion on the topic like that, 'real creative intention', to borrow your term, can be 'blocked' by nn, or anyone else. And as a 'not-so-creative' starting point, I would like to ask Inke to post (if she still have them) her introductory notes from the beauty and the east session on the topic, since unfortunately, I've lost them. Or anyone else who is in possession. The most interesting contribution, (in my opinion) was Eric's comment on the identity of the syndicate. And, significantly, there were no reactions. Beyond the fact that I'm glad he is alive and well, I'd like to comment briefly one of his points. >how to formulate an alternative discourse to the traditional capitalist / anti-capitalist narratives Or, in a broader sense, how to create a new 'left'/'right' discourse. Or, is it possible at all to avoid reduction of politics (primary cultural) on economics. Contrary to the popular opinion, and some cultural anthropologists I believe that the liminality, or in-between status, is not such an unstable or dangerous condition as it was proclaimed, and that dichotomies such as east/west, centre/margin, global/local, even popular/elite can be 'solved' or at least 'observed' as extremes from the past, with a very few concrete influence to the state of the facts. The new liminal condition is not created through the performance of a ritual, requiring the presence of special kind of 'masters of ceremonies'; rather it's a 'distributive network' of different, but equal elements ranging from passive to hyperactive units, from direct action to backstage mumbling, from micro media to hacking, academic texts to zines. using the diverse, in lot of cases previously incongruous concepts, theories and techniques; adjusting, rephrasing, weaving, with perhaps the only thing in common - the strong emphasis against any kind of inviolability. And somehow, I think that syndicate was/is such a place, with or without nn. ciao igor Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, does not go away. -- Philip K. Dick -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 165.0 Syndicate: a small syndicalist bljndm n/a Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:41:38 +0200 (CEST) i'd like to point to an interesting question here which was probably obvious to others as well, but missed to be mentioned. i'll try to explain. besides too a serious consideration about the shape of container that is called syndicate and vanity floods of some of its members i do not see much hapening. also there is an overall mental division between 'corporate' and 'non-corporate' hanging in the air. i do not get it because pritty everything seems corporate to me in this world and even n. chomsky during his times on the adge was reaching for corporate sources of clerical structures or charity organisations. we ourself, when discussing the do's and do not's of syndicate are trying to shape up a corporate type of morals, don't we. because of that i find that perceiving the things going on here through the prism of this two polarities leads nowhere. i do not want to state that there is no 'other' but corporate, because i strongly beleive there is. but my opinion is that the 'other' comes from within. and it broadcasts from within utill the critical mass is achieved and our patterns and the ways of perceiving are once more changed for good. so is with creation called nn, lonely rebellious beauty existing in cyber only. we learned she is a programe. a programe that makes your machine speak and not only that but never shouts the mouth as well. but that's the hook. do not get angry about noise, because that's quite unimportant. important may be to ask yourself the following: now i can talk to machine, what am i going to say? what do i have to say without defending my ways and habits at the first place? in that sense everything outspoken untill now was not very relevant. the first thing you need to speek out clearly is who you are. no more hiding behind the network. because she is network herself. just you (and nn). in some way she helps us. i think we should learn to appriciate that, talking about the time lost to trash her mail is very 'corporate' and 'executive' in itself. isn't it. greetings ademir arapovic -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 166.0 Re: Syndicate: NN future Inke Arns n/a Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:49:06 +0200 Dear Syndicalists, At 09:22 16.08.01 +0200, Andreas Broeckmann wrote: >some people who have been on this list for 5 1/2 years have started >uns*bscribing, so you should not be too sure any more who is actually on >this list from now on. I'm off after this mail. I wish you success for the future of the Syndicate list. It's been a very productive time, sometimes, and it has been quite an experience. Now it's time for me to move on. Greetings, Inke - http://www.v2.nl/~arns/ -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 167.0 ??? integer n/a Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:55:12 +0200 (CEST) >From: Eric Kluitenberg <epk@xs4all.nl> >Subject: Re: Syndicate: future >Sender: syndicate-owner@eg-r.isp-eg.de >Precedence: bulk > >At 09:22 +0200 16-08-2001, Andreas Broeckmann wrote: >>folks, > >> >>for those of you who are not happy about this: there is an initiative for a >>new, redefined list that will be established hopefully within the next few >>days. sounds lovely. >hopefully, because I would really like to get rid of this ascii crap - a >structure with a syndicate_raw and a filtered one sounds like a great idea, >and I would be happy to be part of the filtered one... sounds lovely. >Maybe it is an idea to inform those 5 1/2 year subscribers personally about >the new list once it is there - would be a shame to loose some really >important contacts eric you havent contributed anything in 6 months. >over this autistic nonsense. If it nonsense to you how can it be autistic +? Or are you just being nonsensical +? >My guess will be that >something similar will happen to the syndicate_raw version as to >nettime_bold - nettime filtered having over 1500 subscribers, eric know this. I personally have a mailing list larger than SYNDICATED and I have access to the entire NETTIMED list. And I know your figures aren't accurate. So my question is - why are yo lying +? >nettime_bold >having 7 - yes 7 it is that rtidiculous. ie. - you are one of the privileged mass and know that NETTIMED and SYNDICATED are administered by criminals +? and you havent contributed anything in 6 months. Nonetheless, you shouldn't lie about figures. Why are you +? >This is what we are really talking >about seven people who block the rest of a list for over half a year eric do you think +? I mean, NETTIMED and SYNDICATED are blocked by less than 7 criminals. It is good to think. On the other hand committing crimes with public money is not good. What do you think +? - that >is how long it took on nettime to give these stray sould stray sould =_? The syntactical equivalent to lying about figures or +? NN -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 168.0 Re: Syndicate: future Inke Arns n/a Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:18:26 +0200 hey, i just unsubscribed from the Syndicate list. I feel relieved and am eager to start a new list. looking forward to a time when positive feedback it overweighing negative feedback once again, like in the first years of the Syndicate. At 12:33 16.08.01 +0200, Andreas Broeckmann wrote: >like yourself, i am not in favour of a filtered list; i think we should >again attempt to create a list that can remain open and that has a shared >understanding about dos and don'ts among the subscribers, like this list absolutely. start small, don't grow fast, remain personal (in a way) >had for a long time. the fact that this shared understanding has >disappeared here is a pity, but as i seem to be in the repressive minority, >i admit defeat. let's be more careful next time. i am very disappointed oh, I have been disappointed about how things were going on this list for quite some time now. perhaps we should think about the possibility of "filtering" requests for subscription. I.e. only allow people on the list who are interested in what's going on. and we should act more quickly if things are going in the wrong direction. >about how this thing went, but it is a miracle that the whole thing lasted yes, definitely. but now it's time to move on. and it feels good! it's time for a redefinition, definitely! greetings, inke - http://www.v2.nl/~arns/ 169.0 Syndicate: akkord integer n/a Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:18:36 +0200 (CEST) Andreas Broeckmann. Geert Lovink + etc admins clandestinely mismanaging public funds do you accept this accord or not +? Please respond on this forum. - 242.rambouillet.accord. Everyone shall feel much more relaxed once Anna Balint administers Syndicate with equal rights and equal power to the M E N of course. M A N ........... Andreas Broeckmann: - signe.la date: - date hier - -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 170.0 RE: Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _censorship, syndicate & nn shareartware n/a Thu, 16 Aug 2001 07:23:18 -0400 Syndicate admin <syndicate@v2.nl> wrote: > >[<jaka@jaka.org> *ns*bscribed from Syndicate on 15 Aug 2001 before posting >to the Syndicate list - that's why his message bounced and not because of >censorship] i appologise, specialy to Inke/ administrator. the server i use for e-mail have serious problems so i had to s*bscribe as shareartware@netscape.net actualy first i sended e-mail to syndicate and then *ns*bscribed, but server did it it's way... >Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 02:10:35 +0200 >From: Jaka Zeleznikar <jaka@jaka.org> >Organization: http://www.jaka.org >To: syndicate <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> >Subject: _censorship, syndicate & nn __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 171.0 Re: Syndicate: signing off Eric Kluitenberg n/a Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:20:29 +0200 dear syndicalists, It has been a great time on this list untill the ascii crap started - since then I do not feel at home anymore on this list, it has completely lost its original identity - a real pitty. This does account very much for the fact that I have not felt the urge to post anything substantial here, and why I have focused on other fora instead - obviously... why bother?? I hope those responsible will be very proud of themselves that they have killed off the most productive and interesting forum for media art and media culture in central and eastern europe. The people who still have a real interest in those issues will now simply start a new initiative - it is high time for that. Good luck with syndicate, I will leave it to you, and *nsubscribe now. What a waste! At 13:18 +0200 16-08-2001, integer@www.god-emil.dk wrote: >Andreas Broeckmann. Geert Lovink + etc admins >clandestinely mismanaging public funds FYI - there never were, nor never will be, any funds (public or private) for syndicate, nettime., xchange or any of the other valuable on-line fora. The people running these lists simply put in free time and their own resources - one more such totally disrespectful outcry - I really recommend to re-examine your own prejudices. Have a good life! eric 172.0 RE: Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _censorship, syndicate & nn Syndicate admin n/a Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:47:08 +0200 (CEST) Zitiere shareartware@netscape.net: > i appologise, specialy to Inke/ administrator. the server i use for > e-mail have serious problems so i had to s*bscribe as > shareartware@netscape.net don't apologize, and redirect any administration requests to Anna Balint <integer@freemail.hu> or directly to <integer@www.god-emil.dk>. Have fun. Sincerely. -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 173.0 Re: Syndicate: future Nils Claesson n/a Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:21:39 +0200 Folks! I see forward to sunbcribe to the new filtered version of the syndicate list. nils claesson 174.0 RE: administration Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _censorship, syndicate & nn anna balint n/a Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:13:31 +0200 Dear Inke Arns, Andreas Broeckmann and Chris Byrne, it is a pity if you leave down the list in a crisis situation, and you don't want to manage it anymore. I'm sorry to see this happening, please feel free to come back any time. Since the list was abandoned in a panic, the decision was taken behind the curtains, and as far as I understand from the undirect notification below that I was requested to take over administration of the list, first I would like to ask everybody how to access the administration mail. My email address is epistolaris@freemail.hu, i would have adopted the integer identity only in the case integer would have remained banned from the list. In hope to establish a network of trust, i introduce myself, and I ask integer as well, to do so, unmask as far as possible, and declare wheter s/he would like to take part in the syndicate administration. Is there anybody else who would like to share this task? I am a medievalist, i write my PhD about fantastic travels in the Middle Ages. Meanwhile, I am very interested in contemporary art and media culture, I am currently busy with setting up an audio-visual communication academy in Cluj-Kolozsvar, Romania. I was curating for some years the Artpool Archives - one of the biggest mail art, fluxus, SI, performance, and media art archives in the world. I was a co-organizer of the Metaforum conference series about media culture in Budapest, 1994-1996. I currently work with Istvan Kantor, founder of neoism movement, performance and media artist based in Canada. We try to set up the Machine Age Foundation in Budapest. I subscribed to Syndicate since early times, for that Artpool was there at the founding meeting of the Syndicate mailing list. I have attended the Kassel Hybrid Workspace and the Budapest Syndicate meetings, i know some of you personally. I am deeply upset that no discussions were going on the list, not much common topics, meanwhile the one trying to bring up questions in his or her own way suffered of restrictions. I would like to ask Amy Alexander whether he could write filtering software on request to provide people with an efficient tool to validate their preference. The others please feel free to post announcements, commentaries, questions, idea on the list. greetings, Anna Balint Zitiere shareartware@netscape.net: > i appologise, specialy to Inke/ administrator. the server i use for > e-mail have serious problems so i had to s*bscribe as > shareartware@netscape.net don't apologize, and redirect any administration requests to Anna Balint <integer@freemail.hu> or directly to <integer@www.god-emil.dk>. Have fun. Sincerely. -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 175.0 Re: Syndicate: NN future martha rosler n/a Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:52:46 -0400 i cannot claim to have been on this list for 5 1/2 years, but i've enjoyed and apporeciated many of the posts dealing with net art and other projects and ideas from various places (mostly outside the US), and have learned from political controversies dealing with armed conflict and other political confrontations... but the following message (reproduced below) is now representative of the way things are going here, it seems, and i am unsubscribing. The purpose of my wanting to announce this on the list is to observe that I have subscribed to many political and professional lists, moderated and unmoderated, and the unmoderated ones so far have always gone down to the flame wars provoked my someone acting much like nn. So you destroy your own playground by bullying and disrupting civil discourse and provoking fuming hostility from some, pontificating pseudo-philosophy on freedom from others (Something like my post now..though I think the others were worse!). Moderation is the key. The lists that have lasted have used it, and OF COURSE the moderator can be accused of censorship, but the rules of posting are always spelled out, and insult and unrelenting provocation are always unacceptable,on a list as in person. And unfortunately, my filter isn't working... NN, why don't YOU (if there is a "you") start your own list? (But you are always reactive and need others to attack, it seems.) martha rosler brooklyn, ny >furtherfilth (info@furtherfield.org) stop your filthy personal agenda now worm. > >NEWS: you have just hurt someone who has done absolutely nothing to you. > > >Monster!!! > > > > > > > >Andreas Broeckmann. Inke Arns. Geert Lovink. > >Think about what you are doing NOW!!!!! > > >You can butcher me. If you continue hurting others > >there shall be a terrifying sound: THE SOUND OF PROTRACTED PAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!n > > > >Monsters!!! > > > > > > > > > > > . . .... ..... net.wurker][M.ollient][ pro.ject.ile x.blooms.x .go.here. xXXx ./. www.hotkey.net.au/~netwurker .... . .??? ....... >folks, > >>Just a short note: if this is the syndicate without NN, >>please bring her/him/them/it back. > >i agree with diana. this is unbearable. there seems to be a clear desire to >bring nn back to this list. > >Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:03:55 +0200 >To: abroeck@transmediale.de >From: majordom@eg-r.isp-eg.de >Subject: Majordomo results >-- >>>>> s*bscribe syndicate integer@www.god-emil.dk >Succeeded. >>>>> > > >for those of you who are not happy about this: there is an initiative for a >new, redefined list that will be established hopefully within the next few >days. > >some people who have been on this list for 5 1/2 years have started >uns*bscribing, so you should not be too sure any more who is actually on >this list from now on. > >regards, >-a > > >-----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- >Syndicate network for media culture and media art >information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate >to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> >to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in >the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 176.0 Syndicate: Open letter to uns*bscribers Igor n/a Thu, 16 Aug 2001 19:10:12 +0200 dear all, Will someone be so kind to explain me what the fuck is going on, sit venia verbo? All I can understand (as an outsider) is 'NN is The Problem'. With all due respect, 'My dog ate my homework' is answer for the Nobel Prize, compare to that shit. Perhaps I do not understand the point, perhaps I never was, and perhaps I never will, so what? Am I because of that less or more valuable member of the list? No. Under any circumstances, no. Was any of the s*bscribers more valuable member of the list because of five years or days of experience? No. Under any circumstances, no! Honestly, on the level of the syndicate I don't care - a bunch of people try something and it didn't went well. Meme syndicate was not able to adapt to the changed environment or the rise of the new predators. Ok, but on a bit wider level I still have a problem. And, yes, personal *is* political, and it counts. What I am mad about, my dear colleagues (hope you don't mind naming you like that) is that you also start to play the same game, with the same 'basic rules' - and I'm still confused what are the fucking rules. Maybe 'I'm not speaking to you anymore'? Or, 'if you don't want to play my game I wont play with you'? I learned such a 'rules' from my younger sister, but she was twelve at the time.. or should I be cynical and conclude that axiom saying that the intelligence of the person is proportional to its childish behaviour (naturally, in pejorative meaning of the world) proof correct? I believe that people on the list deserve the explanation/some background of the immature wunderkinds behaviour. Or, if I'm the only one confused, please excuse my posting. After all I am ashamed, I'm ashamed because I believe that some of you are the persons knowing more then I do, that you are reasonable and moderate persons, that you are willing to share and discuss your knowledge and attitudes with others, to oppose traditional more or less oppressive models. Was everything just a game? Just 'my supporting group can beat yours supporting group'. And, are you aware that such behaviour (o, you won, I'm unsubscribing..) may be looked like acceptance of all, even the most disgusting accusations? Or, maybe, non-civilised (whatever that means to any of the readers) remarks are true. That syndicate was just another neo-colonial artefact. I do not think so, I do not believe so, and I never will. On the other hand, there is possibility that I'm just another full, blinded with the knowledge an activities of yours. But, I do not want to start another stupid adolescent discussion. Instead, lets try again. From the beginning, if necessary. Lets try the idea of moderated and raw list. Or you believe that the issues like "how to formulate an alternative discourse to the traditional capitalist / anti-capitalist narratives that pervaded social, political and cultural debates about the *east/west* relationship. The next was to get away from the East / West dichotomy altogether and find new connecting threads to talk about art, culture, politics and society in Europe after the revolutionary changes of the late eighties and beginning nineties." are not important anymore? Nothing to remember happened for a months at the list (I re-subscribed myself april this year), so how on earth, nn or anyone else can be 'guilty' for *that*? Yes, this letter is emotional, and yes it is a provocation, and, yes, it is a challenge, and, if anyone feel part or all of the mentioned insulting, I am sorry, but with all due respect, you deserve it. ciao igor Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, does not go away. -- Philip K. Dick -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 177.0 Syndicate: RE: administration Andreas Broeckmann n/a Thu, 16 Aug 2001 19:13:38 +0200 dear anna, >Since the list was abandoned in a panic, the decision was taken behind the >curtains, and as far as I understand from the undirect notification below >that I was requested to take over administration of the list, first I would >like to ask everybody how to access the administration mail. there is no reason for panic. i think that some are very relieved now and want to get moving. the current admins will make sure that the handing over of the list and everything is done in a proper and friendly manner, so that the syndicate list can keep running its course. the way in which the list has been administered until now is through an admin account on the v2 server; this will be switched off as soon as a new list-owner has been appointed who will receive all admin requests etc. - please, let me know who this should be. it would be useful to have somebody who knows majordomo and who can deal with config files etc. in the current, heated situation i would be restrictive with the password but we will obviously transmit it to you or whoever wants to take that responsibility. the list itself is running on a server of friends of inke and mine here in berlin. we did this because it is sometimes important to have easy and fast access to the sysops, so it might be useful to try and find a new home for the list which the people responsible for it have a close and personal contact to. you will find that this makes life easier when something goes wrong or does not work, and it may be more difficult to get the attention of the berlin sysops if they don't know you. greetings, -a ps: i'm filtering the list now and may not see everything immediately. so, if i don't react immediately, don't panic. i'll be around for a while. (nn, how deep is your love?) -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 178.0 Syndicate: what happend? Nina Czegledy n/a Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:40:21 +0100 Hello All, i wish i could be eloquent and prompt with my words like Sally or Eric, short of this i would like to contribute a few words to the discussion. As it has been said before the Syndicate represents different things for different people, I am writing about my own Syndicate experience. For me, ever since that first meeting in Rotterdam i felt a sense of belonging to a networked community. Of course i have been aware that the group consists of many with diverse opinions and this became evident lately when regardless of my democratic feelings I had difficulties to deal (in a hectic nomadic life) with the multitude of postings. Re the personal value of the Syndicate list: over the years I noted that while in the beginning the Newsletters offered info on events and opportunities mostly for the "Easterners" - lately the situation changed and became much more balanced. A few days ago the acoustic space workshop ended with a successful streaming event and while most of us worked out of Latvia i have not noticed any east/west divergence in the group. As a matter of fact I was reflecting how Ryszard Kluszczynski's wish expressed a few years ago,( that instead of being considered Westerners and Easterners the division would melt ) might be slowly coming true. In addition to be updated on various events I found some of the incoming information invaluable and will deeply regret if the list changes completely. nina -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 179.0 RE: Syndicate: RE: administration anna balint n/a Thu, 16 Aug 2001 20:11:52 +0200 Dear Andreas, i will try to find a server. But it will take some time i guess. Can you hold on for two-three weeks? I am very sorry that you leave. I still think we should try to find a solution good for all. Dear Mike, great! we will have to learn the administration techniques. Andreas will have to explain us as to illiterates, but i think majordomo commands are not so difficult, configuration files either. I trust that Jaka Zeleznicar will remain as web designer for the archives, and we shall restart the newsletters. We met at rootless '97, i was invited there by Roddy Hunter aka ?migr? for the ATLAS conference. I keep very good memories of the meeting and of the festival, of the hospitality of the city of Hull as well. I will be at the Venice Biennale next week, than i go to the Retouche festival in Romania, later i plan to go to the Ars Electronica in Linz. Would be nice to meet you and other syndicalists as well somewhere in those places. greetings, Anna -----Original Message----- From: syndicate-owner@eg-r.isp-eg.de [mailto:syndicate-owner@eg-r.isp-eg.de]On Behalf Of Andreas Broeckmann Sent: 2001. augusztus 16. 19:14 To: syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de Subject: Syndicate: RE: administration dear anna, >Since the list was abandoned in a panic, the decision was taken behind the >curtains, and as far as I understand from the undirect notification below >that I was requested to take over administration of the list, first I would >like to ask everybody how to access the administration mail. there is no reason for panic. i think that some are very relieved now and want to get moving. the current admins will make sure that the handing over of the list and everything is done in a proper and friendly manner, so that the syndicate list can keep running its course. the way in which the list has been administered until now is through an admin account on the v2 server; this will be switched off as soon as a new list-owner has been appointed who will receive all admin requests etc. - please, let me know who this should be. it would be useful to have somebody who knows majordomo and who can deal with config files etc. in the current, heated situation i would be restrictive with the password but we will obviously transmit it to you or whoever wants to take that responsibility. the list itself is running on a server of friends of inke and mine here in berlin. we did this because it is sometimes important to have easy and fast access to the sysops, so it might be useful to try and find a new home for the list which the people responsible for it have a close and personal contact to. you will find that this makes life easier when something goes wrong or does not work, and it may be more difficult to get the attention of the berlin sysops if they don't know you. greetings, -a ps: i'm filtering the list now and may not see everything immediately. so, if i don't react immediately, don't panic. i'll be around for a while. (nn, how deep is your love?) -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 180.0 Syndicate: musical skills integer n/a Thu, 16 Aug 2001 20:34:49 +0200 (CEST) Andreas Broeckmann <abroeck@transmediale.de> >dear anna, > >>Since the list was abandoned in a panic, the decision was taken behind the >>curtains, and as far as I understand from the undirect notification below >>that I was requested to take over administration of the list, first I would >>like to ask everybody how to access the administration mail. > >there is no reason for panic. i think that some are very relieved now and >want to get moving. the current admins will make sure that the handing over >of the list and everything is done in a proper and friendly manner, so that >the syndicate list can keep running its course. > >the way in which the list has been administered until now is through an >admin account on the v2 server; this will be switched off as soon as a new >list-owner has been appointed who will receive all admin requests etc. - >please, let me know who this should be. it would be useful to have somebody >who knows majordomo and who can deal with config files etc. in the current, >heated situation i would be restrictive with the password but we will >obviously transmit it to you or whoever wants to take that responsibility. > >the list itself is running on a server of friends of inke and mine here in >berlin. we did this because it is sometimes important to have easy and fast >access to the sysops, so it might be useful to try and find a new home for >the list which the people responsible for it have a close and personal >contact to. you will find that this makes life easier when something goes >wrong or does not work, and it may be more difficult to get the attention >of the berlin sysops if they don't know you. > >greetings, >-a > >ps: i'm filtering the list now and may not see everything immediately. so, >if i don't react immediately, don't panic. i'll be around for a while. > > > >(nn, how deep is your love?) you misunderstand. others have received the same message via one other. hopefully it reaches those concerned. don't be paranoid. _no _one wishes to control your forum. may stop posturing. "Igor" <igor@mi2.hr> >With >all due respect, 'My dog ate my homework' is answer for the Nobel Prize, >compare to that shit. schhh. time to watch the rest of this sick film. or we could listen to this magnetic and strange thing. a creative force. the friends who listen to us are the ones we move towards. when we are listened to it creates us. makes us unfold + expand >(nn, how deep is your love?) unsubscribe me. and free the hostage. nn - simply.SUPERIOR /_/ / \ \/ i should like to be a human plant \/ __ __/ i will shed leaves in the shade \_\ because i like stepping on bugs *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- Netochka Nezvanova nezvanova@eusocial.com http://www.eusocial.com http://www.biohakc.com http://www.ggttctttat.com/! n r . 5 !!! http://steim.nl/leaves/petalz *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- --*--*--*--*--*--*-- -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 181.0 Syndicate: take. 02 - m!!!!!!!!!!au integer n/a Thu, 16 Aug 2001 20:56:09 +0200 (CEST) > >"Igor" <igor@mi2.hr> > > >>With >>all due respect, 'My dog ate my homework' is answer for the Nobel Prize, >>compare to that shit. > > >schhh. > >time to watch the rest of this sick film. > > > > >or we could listen to this magnetic and strange thing. a creative force. >the friends who listen to us are the ones we move towards. >when we are listened to it creates us. makes us unfold + expand > > > > > >>(nn, how deep is your love?) > > >unsubscribe me. and free the hostage. > > > >nn - simply.SUPERIOR > take .o2 [yes. that was a scene] 1001 zm!lz. andreas etc - difficult understanding precisely why you would start attacking anna balint. you misunderstand. and you misunderstand something else - people arent fond of your activities. [even people that work with you. (not every one you trust likes you)] and what is it with this organized model citizenz waking up from their sleep and parachuting out whilst reading very badly scripted lines +? nn - totally bemused. you want to leave leave. anyone can forward posts from nettime to syndicate very easily. >(nn, how deep is your love?) a classic. andreas - you can be nn anytime. pre.konssept!*n meeTz ver!f1kat!*n. - Netochka Nezvanova - eksplod!ng galax!ez + !nflaz!onar! un!versez 0f0003.MASCHIN3NKUNST @www.eusocial.org 17.hzV.tRL.478 e | | +---------- | | < \\----------------+ | n2t^P | e -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 182.0 ??? integer n/a Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:31:02 +0200 (CEST) hallo this was veritable ` you misunderstand. others have received the same message via one other. hopefully it reaches those concerned. don't be paranoid. _no _one wishes to control your forum. ` anna balint speaks for herself. i assure you she does not think you are a terrible person much as she does not think i am a simply.SUPERIOR person. but you or others should know this. i know very little. are you under the impression i enjoy posting 10 messages per day on syndicate +? ne. when a problem arises it would be nice to attempt to resolve it. referring to a problem which occurred several months ago which prompted the current routine. another observation. selekt persons view a forum as an information hub - they are primarily interested in announcements. selekt persons view forums as a discussion and creative hub - they are primarily interested in anything. if you feel that i betrayed your confidence i can understand. we should have resolved the problem several months ago. overall this entire episode has been very costly to everyone involved yes +? please relax. no wishes to destroy you. if you wish to search for a common ground = oke avec moi. if you wish to segregate yourself - as you wish. we have both have seen what the latter is conducive to. friendly. nn 183.0 Syndicate: interim admin arrangements Chris Byrne n/a Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:01:12 +0100 Dear list subscribers, Following the departure of Andreas and Inke from the Syndicate list, the present admin team will be understrength, so we may not have time to forward posts which are sent to the wrong address. The current admin technical infrastructure will need to be changed, and the list moved to a different server. We will be in contact with the two prospective admins off-list to discuss the necessary changes in the near future. In the meantime I ask you to bear with us. Those subscribers who wish to remove themselves, please send the relevant command to majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de. If you don't know how to do this, send a message to syndicate@v2.nl asking to be removed and we will attempt to do so as quickly as is feasible. I would like to thank Andreas and Inke for their hard work helping to establish Syndicate, and keeping it running on behalf of the list community despite a variety of pressures. Regards Chris -------------------------------------------------------- Chris Byrne chris@mediascot.org -------------------------------------------------------- New Media Scotland tel: +44 131 477 3774 P.O. Box 23434, Edinburgh EH7 5SZ fax: +44 131 477 3775 Scotland, UK http://www.mediascot.org -------------------------------------------------------- -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 184.0 Syndicate: interim admin arrangements integer n/a Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:52:31 +0200 (CEST) Chris Byrne <chris@cryptic.demon.co.uk> >Dear list subscribers, > >Following the departure of Andreas and Inke from the Syndicate list, the >present admin team will be understrength, so we may not have time to >forward posts which are sent to the wrong address. > >The current admin technical infrastructure will need to be changed, and the >list moved to a different server. We will be in contact with the two >prospective admins off-list to discuss the necessary changes in the near >future. In the meantime I ask you to bear with us. > >Those subscribers who wish to remove themselves, please send the relevant >command to majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de. If you don't know how to do this, send >a message to syndicate@v2.nl asking to be removed and we will attempt to do >so as quickly as is feasible. > >I would like to thank Andreas and Inke for their hard work helping to >establish Syndicate, and keeping it running on behalf of the list community >despite a variety of pressures. Exactly. It is an difficult occupation. It isn't very lovely for one's creativity. the inward turning of the worker kontrasts with the outward turning of the dancer. It is good being a vagabond. [or a subscriber of you like] And NN shall be much more gentle now that those who view mailing list fora as information processing centers exclusively have gone or shall be as desired. I suspect that is the principal issue. This is a canvas. It is not a PDA. [do you wish 2 sow the seeds or simply navigate \ web browsers +? If the art of storytelling has become rare, the dissemination of information has had a decisive share in this state of affairs. Every morning brings us the news of the globe, and yet we are poor in noteworthy stories. This is because no event any longer comes to us without already being shot through with explanation....it is half the art of storytelling to keep a story free from explanation as one reproduces it. The most extraordinary things, marvelous things, are related with the greatest accuracy, but the psychological connection of the events is not forced on the reader. It is left up to him to interpret things the way he understands them, and thus the narrative achieves an amplitude that information lacks. This process of assimilation, which takes place in depth, requires a state of relaxation which is becoming rarer and rarer. If sleep is the apogee of physical relaxation, boredom is the apogee of mental relaxation. Boredom is the dream bird that hatches the egg of experience. A rustling in the leaves drives him away. ....storytelling.....does not aim to convey the pure essence of the thing, like information or a report. It sinks the thing into the life of the storyteller, in order to bring it out of him again. Thus traces of the storyteller cling to the story the way the handprints of the potter cling to the clay vessel. I believe I have told already that reading .... >i think this is better: -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 185.0 Re: administration Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _censorship, syndicate & nn Andrej Tisma n/a Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:58:31 +0200 > Since the list was abandoned in a panic, the decision was taken behind the > curtains, and as far as I understand from the undirect notification below Welcome Anna, we support you and wish you good work on this list if you accept it. I think it is more natural that list for mostly eastern Europeans is administrated by Easteuropeans, there will be more understanding. Because we here are not dealing wit art, communication, politics as business but we speak and work from heart. We know what real freedom is, we know to evaluate it, not selling it for some profit. Thanks for introducing yourself. I see we have a plenty of mutual friends. I collaborate with Artpool for decades (you must know that) and I visited Galantays with my wife Marta few years ago in Budapest. Also I know Monty Cantsin personally. I spent few days with him in May 1987 in New York. He is a nice guy, he did a performance for us with iron and flames and he gave me his songs LP that was printed just in those days. >In hope to > establish a network of trust, i introduce myself, I think after this hot discussion concerning Integer we got more trust in each other and in a way we purified our aims on this list. Obviously not all of us were so happy and satisfied with its conception and moderation in last years. You Anna have the chance to refresh it with some new ideas and contents that will be of common interests. Obviously we are not so much interested in theory but in life, art practice, maybe some concrete collaboration. Festivals are for big shuts, for sponsored ones, and we should build a network of independent people from west or east, doesn't matter. Those who are leaving the list, I think their time is going out, together with globalistic, western hegemonistic, neocolonialist politics. Syndicate was designed to gather Easternerners around some ideas that would subdue them, not give the freedom. With our fight for Integers integrity and personality we showed what counts in our sphere of interests. We are maybe more poetic than Westersners, and that mekes them angry. Not boring but nervous. But they must get familiarized with us. I must remind all that all new philosophical, artistic, spiritual ideas came from the East, and that will stay so in the future. We must look at this Syndicate list as a tool that West is giving to us, as an opportunity to teach the West about something that they do not have - heart, emotion, playfulness, spiritual independence, non-materialistic values. We should be treated equally on this list, not removed one by one, with censored period (1999), as it happened before. Anna, if you accept the administration of Syndicate I wish you success and new ideas and collaborators. Szia, Andrej -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 186.0 Syndicate: absence announcment Andrej Tisma n/a Fri, 17 Aug 2001 00:02:49 +0200 At the end of an old period and hopeful start of a new one of this list I announce my absence from it during the period August 17-31 because of my vacations travel. So I will be not able to send to or reply to list members in that period. But I hope I'll find your sendings in my mail-box when I return. Best :), Andrej -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 187.0 Syndicate: RE: administration Syndicate Janos Sugar n/a Fri, 17 Aug 2001 00:28:41 +0200 At 17:13 +0200 16/8/01, anna balint wrote: >I was a co-organizer of the Metaforum conference series about media culture >in Budapest, 1994-1996. it? a lie -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 188.0 Re: Syndicate: future geert lovink n/a Fri, 17 Aug 2001 09:42:37 +1000 > i just unsubscribed from the Syndicate list. I feel relieved and am eager > to start a new list. looking forward to a time when positive feedback it > overweighing negative feedback once again, like in the first years of the > Syndicate. I feel sad too, like all of you. Does someone of you write a last mail to the list? I you can mention my name too of course. I somehow would like to make clear that we all left. > absolutely. start small, don't grow fast, remain personal (in a way) Sure, that's not all that hard. I like the idea of an open list with people who tell who they are, what they want etc. and not hide behind rethoric or some online identity. > oh, I have been disappointed about how things were going on this list for > quite some time now. perhaps we should think about the possibility of > "filtering" requests for subscription. I.e. only allow people on the list > who are interested in what's going on. and we should act more quickly if > things are going in the wrong direction. Yeah. Would else would be interested to take part in this conversation? Best, Geert 189.0 ??? integer n/a Fri, 17 Aug 2001 01:48:00 +0200 (CEST) >Question: > >Why did you use a male laptop for your siggraph presentation? tzo du = ma! remembr m! Snails are superior!!!!!!! >Snails were superior. > >shannon a.nn.on dze treez !n dze gardn = zt!l evn uen treez furdzr aua! = dansz!ng [01 real!t! - not nezezar!l! 01 metafor] m! e!ez = moztl! uatch dze dansz. ma!z although dze !nfluensz ov d!esz !magez = branch out !n 2 d!rekz!onz !t = !nfluenszd b! dze poz!z!on ov dze author. hensz nn da +? nn - dont m!sz out on dzat u!ch makex l!f publ!k pre.konssept!*n meeTz ver!f1kat!*n. - Netochka Nezvanova - eksplod!ng galax!ez + !nflaz!onar! un!versez 0f0003.MASCHIN3NKUNST @www.eusocial.org 17.hzV.tRL.478 e | | +---------- | | < \\----------------+ | n2t^P | e -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 190.0 [mir] Re: (post-)Syndicate: future Eric Kluitenberg n/a Fri, 17 Aug 2001 03:37:19 +0200 hi, a bit sleepless tonite geert wrote: >I feel sad too, like all of you. Does someone of you write a last mail to >the list? I you can mention my name too of course. I somehow would like to >make clear that we all left. yes, most of all about the sense that even in a zero budget network and intitiative it was impossible to escape the typical kind of power politics and envy that characterises main-stream art world politica, as most of the rest of society. Syndicate managed to escape it for a long time, but it is shocking to see how a few loud mouths can very easily take over a forum, and how they actually are supported by people who are simply looking for some kind of *guidance* - I see this as a strong man syndrome - the willing accomplices. Still, I would not like to dwell too long on what went wrong and rather define a fresh perspective for the times to come. Perhaps it would be good to mark this *exodus* clearly and issue some kind of statement about it, so as not to go without any form of protest... But the next step should really be to define what the new context will be which we want to create and enlist the right people in it for a relevant post-syndicate initiative. I'll try to organise my thoughts over the weekend and post them on this list once I managed... greetings, eric _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _ the mir list is a temporary list for the syndicate exodus 191.0 [mir] re: Syndicate: NN future geert lovink n/a Fri, 17 Aug 2001 14:48:22 +1000 From: "furtherfield" <info@furtherfield.org> To: "geert" <geert@xs4all.nl> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 8:10 AM Subject: Re: Syndicate: NN future > It is a sad day - the lunatics have taken over the asylum. > > I can't be bothered with all this stuff anymore - the list seems to have > become a playground for (you know what). I'm still wondering whether to > unsubscribe myself presently. But the way things are going now it does not > look very healthy... > > I tried stand up for the list but I got shouted down by the mafia, so I'll > get back to what I enjoy creating projects, exhibitions, street art, net > art, broadcasting etc...our next broadcast will be coming out live from > http://www.consume.net with james stevens. > > Anyway bye for now, respect from marc garrett > > http://www.furtherfield.org > http://www.dido.uk.net _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _ the mir list is a temporary list for the syndicate exodus 192.0 smart.moderator. etc - part.02 integer n/a Fri, 17 Aug 2001 14:15:02 +0200 (CEST) Claudia Westermann <media@ezaic.de> >Dear Anna and all, who ever is still on the list, goethe juzt zubzkr!bd he sa!z: our l!nkx are komplex + autographd >(I just got so much used to listening.. ..too bad...) so you are an astronaut of the mind +? m.m.bakht!n uantz 2 zkratch ur surface. [u knou l!ke an wound] bakht!n: 2 plant 1 flower. >actually I wanted to suggest, if it is possible, to install the list that >way, that some of the boring jobs for the list can be done by more than >two.. ...maybe switching weekly. yes. kontinued ... below >I am definitely not East European and >even I think that still I do not have the slightest idea of it really >means). it is good to be a border dissolvant. >Well, I still think, that there is a lot to communicate and that it >has some value, that there are people with different backgrounds on the list. nobody knows who written for nobody knows who and who found it and where nobody knows. >Well, why not asking NN to write a small program (maybe to be used with an >open source mailer) to filter NN? life says: sealing NN is my job!!!! >I guess if she does it herself it could become a very amusing, nicely >complex not at all linear tool, sometimes even surprisingly working the way >it is expected. Maybe we suggest, that the program should work almost like >expected. life says: work is my job. play please. i like to watch you play. if only i could be given life altzo. as an addition to the smart.moderator etc system described in the prev email. it could operate as 01 `game`. [games arent quite the same as play +?] ou 01 theatre. you had written "jobs for the list can be done by more than two.. ...maybe switching weekly" those who wish to do so - could do so - and they would be gifted with an amount of `life energie`. likewise those that contribute in other ways - eg. `by planting flowers` [bakht!n: i would love to] see. so those that `plant flowers` would also beget `life energie` i.e. there would be administrators. cyberbotanists [zmak] dancers [what do they do +?]. thieves + scoundrels. travelers + adventurers. one would of course taste from any or all jars. new occupations would be lifed and perhaps some occupations would be translated [ie. evolve - death does not part] those that do nothing would ... be translated +? as you can see it is eusocial. - so perhaps one of the super.integrator personages would like to synthesize 01 projekt outline + we submit it to v2 for funding. oke +? now ___... an asteroid has landed in the garden. it is growing dinosaurs. pardon me while i shovel it away with a teaspoon. [nn.s way of saying pardon me while i find neu territories. + 1001 smiles] as you know adventures are a sign of inkompetence. nn. simply. >I doubt, that money and connection speed are the only reasons, for a desire >of server side filtering. That desire is connected to a feeling of being >private when reading mail in front of a computer, I guess. In private >spaces people try to reduce dynamic selection to a minimum. Maybe then it >seems to be home ....? or maybe people unsubscribe when people are unhappy. people at times unsubscribe from everything. perhaps the program discussed above could become unhappy aussi. 193.0 smart +? integer n/a Fri, 17 Aug 2001 14:16:48 +0200 (CEST) >From: Andreas Broeckmann <abroeck@transmediale.de> >>don't be paranoid. _no _one wishes to control your forum. > >it is your forum. you know this. you are simply superior. why having a forum and being simply.superior are simply.inkompatible dear. would you like to invite yourself on our forum and play in our projekt +? >>please relax. no wishes to destroy you. > >you were more insulting and more aggressive than i have ever experienced. now that you know how insulting and aggressive i can be [one only speaks of that with which one can disagree of course] would you like to invite yourself on our forum and play in our projekt +? >i do not understand. i will help you. >i resent your politics. > >what do you stand for? (spare me the rhetorics) my address is your brain. i like it here. which angle are you viewing me from +? will you help me +? that might be the most difficult ztage. >how deep is your love? mag ik +? coming +? plz bring inke. he wouldn't without you. friendly.nn 194.0 Re: Syndicate: smart.moderator. etc - part.02 integer n/a Fri, 17 Aug 2001 14:57:48 +0200 (CEST) saul ostrow <so5@nyu.edu> >Youu aree aa ttedious, ddelusional, longg wwinded, litttle buggger whoo >obviiously hhas a lot more time to spend on ttheir ass then the rest of us -- >has anyone eveer suggested to you that you stop master-baiting and instead go >out and you want my autograf +? >do some volunteer work from what angle +? >volunteer work would you like to volunteer for smart.moderator +? what was your opinion of it +? nn -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 195.0 Re: Syndicate: take. 02 - m!!!!!!!!!!au integer n/a Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:16:13 +0200 (CEST) >dear nn and all, a carnival +? >> >time to watch the rest of this sick film. >It's sick, sure, sick horror somewhere between Jaws 13 and Free Willie 7... >but, hope you are happy, my dear, with one of the main roles.... one writes best in a cellar on a rainy day. >ciao >igor > >Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, does not go away. let me paste a smile on your reality -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 196.0 ??? integer n/a Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:12:38 +0200 (CEST) >i resent your politics. havent politics. but rather a stomack. some things made me wish to vomit. >Dear Janos Sugar, > >>>I was a co-organizer of the Metaforum conference series about media >culture >>>in Budapest, 1994-1996. > >>it<B9>s a lie > >there is not much left after the metaforum conferences, but luckily despite >short memory >there are some documents, like the program leaflet which mention me as an >organizer of the conferences. Archive it yourself! do you find this acceptable? just because Janos Sugar is friends with Geert. dont know very much about him - a few mediocre texts - they are outdated. and what other people [plural + not the person you are thinking of] mentioned [not exactly pleasant - not entirely evil of course] still did not expect what took place and continues to take place. others are disappointed too. in various other people. one must understand that some people trusted you and inke and geert. and v2 and the entire establishment to some extent. biensur some will always find something but this time there was\is something. i wish at least you would acknowledge that instead of sweeping it under. it just becomes nastier and nastier - an aprop word. for it _is very unsanitary now. en tout cas please accept my apologies for hurting your feelings. would have preferred it was\is resolved in a more sensible manner. sincerely. nn 197.0 Syndicate: reality integer n/a Fri, 17 Aug 2001 21:12:26 +0200 (CEST) Janos Sugar <sj@c3.hu> >>like the program leaflet which mention me as an >>organizer of the conferences. > >NEVER, >Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, does not go away. >-- Philip K. Dick http://umed.med.utah.edu/MS1/anatomy/Web_View/Unit_2.htm exactly how much more real can you stand to be janos +? >you were mentioned _only_ in 96, but as an _assistant_, not as an organi >zer: > >/.../ >METAFORUM III ORGANIZING COMMITTEE >J<E1>nos Sug<E1>r, Geert Lovink, Diana McCarty, and Noel Villers >Project Coordinator: Diana McCarty (diana@dial.isys.hu) >Webmaster: Noel Villers (noel@dial.isys.hu) >Finance: Gabriella Sz<FC>cs >Assistants: Anna B<E1>lint, Thomas Bass, G<E9>za F<F6>ldesi, and Gabriella Barta looks like your reality and anna balint's were closer in 1996. what has happened +? did you become too real +? >/.../ in any case presently you seem to be rather preoccupied with reality as defined by Philip K. Dick [or (you fill in the space i provided) ... but i'll give you the benefit of the doubt. uncertain whether others would. en fakt some of those others are part of METAFORUM III ORGANIZING COMMITTEE + Project Coordinator + Webmaster + Finance + Assistants. METAFORUM III ORGANIZING COMMITTEE + Project Coordinator + Webmaster + Finance + Assistants includes you and everyone else and _not only Anna Balint (thought would mention it just in case Philip K. Dick isn't as real as you) apparently the METAFORUM III ORGANIZING COMMITTEE + Project Coordinator + Webmaster + Finance + Assistants was not all (you fill in the space i provided) but then reality was kinder in those days right +?] >ps > >>Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, does not go away. >>-- Philip K. Dick > alors - as you seem to be rather preoccupied with reality as defined by Philip K. Dick let me ask _you if Philip K. Dick believes something and you believe Philip K. Dick who is the [more] real slime +? you understand janos +? i hope you do. for if you do not - then reality _was kinder in those days. and there is nothing as real as progress. have suggested to andreas as well - that geert lovink and extra real friends + company resolve the reality issue in a sensible manner. _openly + _publicly. the reality is that dogs do eat plants at times. am just hoping it isn't for a lack of dog food. because when that happens plants and dogs re:synthesize [or de:sensitize - dependent on how much of a real dog or plant one is] netochka nezvanova - eating chips. - Netochka Nezvanova - r!ch.bored.edukated. all dolled up 4|4|4 autumn 0f0003.MASCHIN3NKUNST @www.eusocial.com 17.hzV.tRL.478 e | | +---------- | | < \\----------------+ | n2t0 | > e -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 198.0 ??? integer n/a Fri, 17 Aug 2001 21:30:19 +0200 (CEST) Janos Sugar <sj@c3.hu> >ps > >Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, does not go away. >-- Philip K. Dick in event it was not clear for others the reason i responded was because Janos Sugar's played with my stomakc as much as http://umed.med.utah.edu/MS1/anatomy/Web_View/Unit_2.htm in any case, Janos, Geert etc - do you want to continue confirming my reality about you or would you like reconstruct it +? i think the latter is feasible. what do you think +? nn - stretching forth. all embracing + unconcluded. -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 199.0 Syndicate: Towards New Theatre in South-Eastern Europe symposium integer n/a Fri, 17 Aug 2001 22:37:56 +0200 (CEST) Towards New Theatre in South-Eastern Europe symposium Belgrade, 18th ? 22nd September 2001 nn u!l b atend!ng. u 2 +? /_/ / \ \/ i should like to be a human plant \/ __ __/ i will shed leaves in the shade \_\ because i like stepping on bugs *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- Netochka Nezvanova nezvanova@eusocial.com http://www.eusocial.com http://www.biohakc.com http://www.ggttctttat.com/! n r . 5 !!! http://steim.nl/leaves/petalz *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- --*--*--*--*--*--*-- -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 200.0 ??? integer n/a Sun, 19 Aug 2001 00:39:52 +0200 (CEST) hallo honor@va.com.au >i find it deeply the ironic that an entrepreneur please retract your claws monsieur. thank you. comfortable now. 2. v2 is selling the software although ... >so well known for revoking >licences to use her software (nato) when she encounters even the smallest >criticisms of her programming - effectively censoring nato users - i would be interested to know what it is you are referring to. you appear to have invoked a personal agenda but ... 1 - no licenses have been revoked. 2 - there aren't any nato.0+55 users. flattered you have compared nato.0+55 and photoshop. may be assured nato.0+55 is much more interesting and simply.fun. [which one do you prefer +?] and it has sparked the real-time video evolution. examples you may play with [if you havent] http://www.eusocial.com/nato.0+55+3d/242.programmez.html >would >react with such petulence when she herself is asked to minimise the 'noise' >of her postings. i like being asked. i do not recall being 'asked'. recall being ordered. threatened. reprimanded. chastised. or classified as experiencing fantasies of a supremely delicious kind. >love to all friends and colleagues on the syndicate. >kia kaha. do we know each other monsieur +? most likely. are we colleagues +? i suspekt not. may discuss your self or if desired may address the issues rather than attacking me to improve your standing amongst friends and colleagues. am not suggesting you are the sole person conducting attacks for a variety of reasons. if you wish to know - hardly anyone has left. may relaxx + enjoy the warm glow of endorphins. else go kraz!!!!. but blaming me for your personal preferences in life certainly isn't conducive to a re:entanglement of the social neuropil. very seldomly have i admired lazy students who simply.make excuses. nn /_/ / \ \/ i should like to be a human plant \/ __ __/ i will shed leaves in the shade \_\ because i like stepping on bugs *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- Netochka Nezvanova nezvanova@eusocial.com http://www.eusocial.com http://www.biohakc.com http://www.ggttctttat.com/! n r . 5 !!! http://steim.nl/leaves/petalz *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- --*--*--*--*--*--*-- -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 201.0 Syndicate: [ot] macroscope integer n/a Sun, 19 Aug 2001 01:47:49 +0200 (CEST) hello because of various decisions or perceptions of others for whatever motives one may experience an amalgam of `noise` for a bit longer. changes are being implemented including an announcements only digest for those undesirous of being subjekted to creativity or noise or selekt persons' life. for the moment please place an [ot] in the subjekt header if you intend to engage in further attacks, complain about the incompatibly between nn and your emotional life, dream of destroying nn or fantasize about sticking your fingers in others' fantastic wounds. if one wishes to assist in the operation of syndicate may email epistolaris@freemail.hu i am sure others will appreciate your patience and ... compassion. nn - scratched but dont bother to try. i specialize in odour recognition. some people need a bath. dentritic arbors = simply.DELIZ!OUZ + v.konduziv 2 kortikal intimacy ____.. - und tzo !ntervalz betu!n notez = meazurd not b! dze frekuens! ov dze tonez abr b! dze lengthz ov dze ztr!ngz. the process by which chromosomes kondense and segregate during nuclear division - mitosis can be likened to a symphony in which many instruments working individually are coordinated to produce a kolektive piece of elegance + beauty. r!thm = !n t!me uat z!metr! = !n spasz. beaut! evolvz ov harmon! + r!thm = 01 z!mfon!k kompoz!z!on ruld b! 01 d!nam!k z!metr!e - analog!a - dze korelaz!on b! meazurmnt b!tu!n elemntz ov 01 plan + betu!n each ov dzeze elementz + dze uhole = bod!. ur bod! + m! bod!. = !n konzonansz comme we are students of memory and our biologies are complementary. your survival depends on me. my sustainability is appropriated to you. our encounters are the guide posts and we begin to know what to observe and where to act. ever!dz!ng = aranged akord!ng 2 number. [all.is.full.of.integer | s] dze uord `number` kan b konztrued az mean!ng `dzat u!ch makez numb`. dze po!nt !z dzat dze ass!gn!ng ov numberz 2 dz!ngz !n dze velt replazez v!brant konfuz!e u!th hard + !mutabl fakt. 4 an !deal!zt dze zurpr!z!ng th!ng = dzat !t !z poz!bl evn 2 beg!n 2 dusz `numb` dze velt. dzat !z - !f 01 bel!evez dzat dze ganze velt = 01 dream an !luz!e. an !mage !n zome m9nd . . . !f 01 bel!evz d!sz - dzn !t = d!f!klt 02 akkount 04 dze !dent!t! betu!n dze numbrz dzat d!f peopl extrakt 4rom dze velt. !f 01 trvlz !n 2 dze uoodz + kountz dze branchez on 01 part!kulr ultra mort oak dzat appearz az 01 d!nosaur + !f 01 odr doez l!keu!sz 2morou dzn 01 + 01.nz numbrz shl zrtnl! agree. 01 kan leave 01.nz home 4 14 !earz + uen 01 trvlz bak 01.nz home = zt!l dze 7th on dze r!ght. dze onl! ua! 02 akknt 04 dze numer!kl !dent!t!ez among dze uorldz 01 + 01 dream up = muzt b dzat !n zome zensz 01 + 01 are reall! dze zame perzon. [body without borders [tm] - http://www.biohakc.com/242.interbody] !n 1938 01 zttz goth!k mazter bu!ldr [!ez plz] haz za!d `ars sine scientia nihil` = art + life share dze d!v!ne proporz!on - dze pr!nz!pl !nvar!ant und tzo !n 2000 01 zttz mult!.naz!onl netvrk no!z! hab!tual ekzelensz haz za!d `sc!enta s!ne ars n!h!l est` + 0.5 ov dze !nterferenzez aud!ensz d!zolvd d!rektl! !n2 dze d!szonansz ov .fr ars. nn kont!nued beaut! evolvz ov harmon! + r!thm + ue = obzerv b4 uz dze f!nal korelaz!on betu!n beaut! + love. dze mathemat!ks ov art + dze mathemat!ks ov l!fe ko!nz!de * * * o * o+o * nn. 0+1 kosmos planeta. retreating in your direkzie. _- o simply.SUPERIOR+ * * * o o o o o o+o o nn. 0+1 kosmos planeta. retreating in your direkzie. _- o simply.SUPERIOR+ o o o I LIED> I LIED. I AM THE SMALLEST FULLERENE. i am a sphere with 12 pentagons distributed across my surface. which are you +? e | | +---------- | | < \\----------------+ | n2t0 | > e -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 202.0 Syndicate: [OT?] the case of iNNteger Steev Hise n/a Sun, 19 Aug 2001 08:59:04 -0700 (PDT) Off-topic or not, I'm interested in airing more details, from both sides, of the iNNteger story. to recount briefly a recent exchange between integer and honor@va.com.au: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 found integer@www.god-emil.dk writing: (honor@va.com.au said): ->>i find it deeply the ironic that an entrepreneur ->>so well known for revoking ->>licences to use her software (nato) when she encounters even the smallest ->>criticisms of her programming - effectively censoring nato users - -> ->i would be interested to know what it is you are referring to. ->you appear to have invoked a personal agenda but ... -> ->1 - no licenses have been revoked. This interests me greatly that you would deny this, iNNteger. perhaps you only deny the letter and not the spirit of the statement, which is that you or your organization has been quite agressive and, shall we say, draconian, in attempting to control/limit who uses nato. this may not have included "revocation" per se, but i've heard from a few people that i trust of other measures, such as extra fees levied against certain people, etc. ->2 - there aren't any nato.0+55 users. Could you explain what you mean by this? Is this more semantics? I just saw someone using it at a show about a week ago. it looked quite nice, btw. ->i like being asked. i do not recall being 'asked'. ->recall being ordered. threatened. reprimanded. ->chastised. or classified as experiencing fantasies of a ->supremely delicious kind. I think it would be really interesting to see a clear history of what you think has been done to you, iNNteger, one not obfuscated by insults or 3!173-speak or browser-crashing client-side scripts. Many people are new to this age-old conflict between you and the world. Others (like myself) have been simply too busy to follow every twist and turn over the years, but are intrigued by the overall phenomenon. It would also be interesting to see a collection of civil and clear accounts from "the other side", and evidence of some of the various discussions that got out of hand. It's been fascinating to watch the saga unfold, one of the most fiery and long-running distributed social interactions in the history of the net. Documentation of this could be an art work in itself. And besides, it will be over soon enough, so a memoir would be in order. Don't you think? ->may discuss your self or if desired may address the ->issues rather than attacking me to improve your standing I hope everyone sees this message as an attempt to discuss issues, and not an attack. I am totally serious about the above project. I want to see a collectively produced step-by-step web-timeline of integer/antiorp/NN/mckenzie/etc activites/involvement/positions, and reactions to same, beginning in 1995 or so (or whenever you started - when was the first big Max list blowup? was that the beginning? or earlier?) and running up to the present. I will even perhaps volunteer to set up server software to help facilitate this. I'm not sure right now what the best software would be to do it. perhaps just a simply WikiWiki? Now any of you may take this as bait for further flaming, but I assure you that that is not the intent. Yet, however you react, the saga will continue..... Respectfully yours, Steev Hise, Head Chump steev@detritus.net http://detritus.net/steev *Recycled Culture: detritus.net *Record Store: southtothefuture.com *Progressive radio sketches: radioluchalibre.com *Watching power flow: capitalletters.detritus.net *Democratic sound collage generator: soundbakery.detritus.net *** sig almost over *** ----------------------------------------------------------------- "I kept thinking I can't do this; I'm a serious actor. And then suddenly I was in a little outfit on top of a mountain in Iceland with some dogs pulling me in a sled with some guns attached to me. And I thought, 'Yeah! This is exactly who I am!'" -Angelina Jolie, discussing "Tomb Raider" ----------------------------------------------------------------- -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 203.0 Syndicate: [ot] integer n/a Sun, 19 Aug 2001 22:02:00 +0200 (CEST) Steev Hise <steev@detritus.net> >but i've >heard from a few people that i trust of other measures, such >as extra fees levied against certain people, etc. .usa citizens incur a tariff of $9.55 >->2 - there aren't any nato.0+55 users. > >Could you explain what you mean by this? I am suggesting I mean human beings value being understood. Did that embrace you +? Have a bite then. It's delicious. >Is this more >semantics? Dali ste slobodni +? >I just saw someone using it at a show about a >week ago. it looked quite nice, btw. 1001 smiles. >It's been fascinating to watch the saga unfold, one of the >most fiery and long-running distributed social interactions >in the history of the net. Documentation of this could be an >art work in itself. Gdje pristajemo +? >And besides, it will be over soon >enough, so a memoir would be in order. Don't you think? Kad iduci odlazi +? >I hope everyone sees this message as an attempt to discuss >issues, and not an attack. I am totally serious about the >above project. I want to see a collectively produced >step-by-step web-timeline of integer/antiorp/NN/mckenzie/etc Tko igra glavnu ulogu +? Pozdrav.NN -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 204.0 Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \n2+0\ acetylcholine - neuroscientifik marxism + good.afternoon tea integer n/a Sun, 19 Aug 2001 22:50:46 +0200 (CEST) >Marc Garett - furtherfield <info@furtherfield.org> <vrooooooooooom <trrrrrrrrrrraaa aha rrrrr brrrr vrr vr SWAP!!!!!!!!!!! <bzzzzzz Mr. Marc Garett, Axons are longer than your sword. >It has just dawned on me Please place an [ot] in the subjekt header when conducting raids upon women, children and programmes and shower before tea time. We don't want to attract anymore flies, do we Mr.Garett ? >they've been leaving like flys. A significant difference exists between leaving like flies, flies leaving of their own accord, being liquidated like a fly, and finding flies attractive. >they've been leaving Please, make yourself at home Mr. Garett. After all one of the flags [note 2 self: shouldn't do this. he enjoys world politics] is now Western European, the other Eastern European. Harmony. As we diversify and become more daring I suspect we shall incur a synthesis. Dancing is a good metaphor. I speculate we shall need a good many tonnes [see] of social oxytocin, but let's not awaken the resting child. NN * for those taking photos "Mr. Marc Garett" - in heavily accented English NN - wearing acetylcholine + many many many plant roots -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 205.0 Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \n2+0\ integer n/a Mon, 20 Aug 2001 01:06:57 +0200 (CEST) mr.garett typed >Hello Anna, > >It has just dawned on me that you are part of a group who are corrupting >freedom via a product, programme. dear mr.garett [you can read between letters as well as lines yes +?] nn would like to read to you a story. [just you] are you comfortable +? sch sch sch \/\ there was once a velveteen rabbit and in the beginning he was really splendid. he was fat and bunchy as a rabbit should be; his coat was spotted brown and white, he had real thread whiskers and his ears were lined with pink sateen. on christmas morning when he sat in the top of the boy's stocking with a sprig of holly between his paws, the effect was charming. .... the rabbit could not claim to be a model of anything for he did not know that real rabbits existed. .... "what is real?" asked the rabbit one day. "does it mean having things that buzz inside you and a stick out handle?" "real isn't how you are made" said the skin horse. "it's a thing that happens to you. when a child loves you for a long, long time, not just to play with, but REALLY loves you then you become REAL. "does it hurt?" asked the rabbit. "sometimes" said the skin horse for he was always truthful. "... when you are REAL you do not mind being hurt" kontinued at siggraph. evidament. + possibly else where. \/\ and since siggraph 01 has come and gone this how it went take 01 nn 01 xy + j.dekam [http://www.node.net] nn sat on the table [z!ggraf l!f 4rm = laughed. u uant 2 do uat +?] xy lied on the table + placed his head on nn.s lap nn rather embraced whilst reading of the velveteen rabbit + almost cried. xy read parts of velveteen rabbit + below apres. when nn was leaving 01 unknown personaj introduced himself + said - thank you so much. nn smiled + thought. it is nice crossing the solipsistic gulf. and then +? and then nn smiled at margery williams + said - thank you. and what color were her eyes +? If the art of storytelling has become rare, the dissemination of information has had a decisive share in this state of affairs. Every morning brings us the news of the globe, and yet we are poor in noteworthy stories. This is because no event any longer comes to us without already being shot through with explanation....it is half the art of storytelling to keep a story free from explanation as one reproduces it. The most extraordinary things, marvelous things, are related with the greatest accuracy, but the psychological connection of the events is not forced on the reader. It is left up to him to interpret things the way he understands them, and thus the narrative achieves an amplitude that information lacks. This process of assimilation, which takes place in depth, requires a state of relaxation which is becoming rarer and rarer. If sleep is the apogee of physical relaxation, boredom is the apogee of mental relaxation. Boredom is the dream bird that hatches the egg of experience. A rustling in the leaves drives him away. ....storytelling.....does not aim to convey the pure essence of the thing, like information or a report. It sinks the thing into the life of the storyteller, in order to bring it out of him again. Thus traces of the storyteller cling to the story the way the handprints of the potter cling to the clay vessel. I believe I have told already that reading .... http://www.mindspring.com/~mccarthys/cybrary/velvet.htm NN - i love toys. [the old kind] /_/ / \ \/ i should like to be a human plant \/ __ __/ i will shed leaves in the shade \_\ because i like stepping on bugs *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- Netochka Nezvanova nezvanova@eusocial.com http://www.eusocial.com http://www.biohakc.com http://www.ggttctttat.com/! n r . 5 !!! http://steim.nl/leaves/petalz *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- --*--*--*--*--*--*-- -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 206.0 Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \n2+0\ integer n/a Mon, 20 Aug 2001 01:34:25 +0200 (CEST) >>>>>>NN - feels no pain, therefor has no rights. >>>> >>>>human pain? worthless. >>> >>> uh! +? >> >>because they don't learn from it. > >hav ! lernd 4rom !t +? nn - at times it is so good being a toy. http://www.velveteenrabbit.net/ a protein which pulls coats of water molecules around itself as if it were dressing in layer after layer of winter clothes. when water bundled proteins velcro together ... 01 wrote. Netochka I'm sorry. t!!ng - http://www.m9ndfukc.org/cycling74 01 wrote. t!!ng - http://www.eusocial.com/242.art.mafia 01 wrote. mmm mm m m mmmm mm m mm m m mm m i will listen + move t!!ng - http://www.nomorephonelines.!ez.pl!!!!!z -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 207.0 Syndicate: HOT WIRED LIVE ART 2 - AIRWAVES integer n/a Mon, 20 Aug 2001 01:42:52 +0200 (CEST) le 19/08/01 17:29, michelle teran ?mteran@interlog.com a ?rit?: > **********Apologies for cross posting.********** > > HOT WIRED LIVE ART 2 - AIRWAVES > A live worklab project used to devise networked environments through the > process of collective experimentation. > > August 18 - September 2, 2001 > > The Banff Centre for the Arts, Banff, Canada > > HWLA (Hot Wired Live Art) is an artist worklab model that uses the live > environment of the lab to create social network and performance prototypes > from a diverse mix of technical and non-technical materials and activities. > The HWLA network is an international and interdisciplinary group of > artists, technologists and researchers with a combined range of skills and > technical expertise in electronics, streaming media, sensors, physical > (social) space design, wireless technology, live video and audio > processing, software programming, telepresence, dance, theatre, film and > video art. The aim of the worklab is to connect or network these materials > and artists together to create live collaborative performance scenarios > that use technology, but are not about the technology itself. > > For two weeks 11 artists from Canada and different parts of Europe will set > up the second HWLA international worklab (HWLA2 - Airwaves) at The Banff > Centre for the Arts. The first HWLA worklab, initiated by Amanda Steggell > and Per Platou of Motherboard and in collaboration with the Bergen Centre > for Electronic Art (BEK) took place from Jan 4 - 16, 2000 in Bergen, > Norway. HWLA 2 - Airwaves will tap into a diverse pool of knowledge > provided by the artists involved with a focus on non-screen based > interfaces and/or situations, being cable free, the lab as a social space, > networked and live systems, how we define networks and explore meeting > spaces including the physical and the virtual. By setting up the HWLA > creative worklab and through the process of collective play, we research > the social and artistic applications of these technologies while generating > a discourse around these issues. > > Platforms like KeyStroke, Nato 0+55, Max, QuickTime and RealVideo > streaming, iListen, BigEye, Image/ine and vns will be used with physical > materials and props, pdas, wireless video transmitters, sensors, a wireless > LAN, servo motors, syncronized swimming and tai chi. > > The HWLA2 website (http://beagle.waag.org/~hwla2) will function during the > worklab as a live lab space with real-time schedule updates, comments by > the participants, and documentation by Scott delaHunta. > > We will be periodically streaming out and posting live video and audio > packets during the lab. The group will also be presenting at The Human > Generosity conference, August 26-28 at The Banff Centre. > > Please watch for upcoming announcements of these events. > > > > ******************************************** > http://beagle.waag.org/~hwla2 > > Produced in co-production with The Banff Centre for the Arts Banff, > Alberta, Canada > for Banff: Executive Producer, Television and New Media, Sara Diamond. Line > Producer, Television and New Media, Sara Kushner. Manager, Creative > Computing, Heike Cantrup. > > HWLA 2 - Airwaves is a project initiated by Michelle Teran, and > co-coordinated with Jeff Mann and Amanda Ramos in collaboration with The > Waag Society for Old and New Media through Sensing Presence and The Banff > Centre for the Arts. Funding and sponsorship generously provided by The > Banff Centre for the Arts, The Canada Council for the Arts - Le conseil des > arts du Canada, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade of > Canada/avec l'appui du Minist?e des Affaires ?rang?es et du Commerce > international du Canada, STEIM, The Norwegian Department of Foreign > Affairs, The Norwegian Arts Council, InterAccess Electronic Media Arts > Centre, The Mondriaan Foundation, The Human Computer Interaction Institute, > Carnegie Mellon University, Allison Bruce (Ph.D student, Robotics > Institute, CMU) and Sonya Allin (Ph.D. student, Human Computer Interaction, > CMU) of the TnA Collective. > > Participating artists: Ellen R?ed, Gisle Fr?ysland, Niels Bogaards, Per > Platou, Sher Doruff, Michelle Teran, Hans Christian Gilje, Amanda Steggell, > Scott delaHunta, Jeff Mann and Amanda Ramos. -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 208.0 Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \n2+0\ s!ggraf fotoz integer n/a Mon, 20 Aug 2001 02:15:56 +0200 (CEST) \/\ there was once a velveteen rabbit and in the beginning he was really splendid. he was fat and bunchy as a rabbit should be; his coat was spotted brown and white, he had real thread whiskers and his ears were lined with pink sateen. on christmas morning when he sat in the top of the boy's stocking with a sprig of holly between his paws, the effect was charming. .... the rabbit could not claim to be a model of anything for he did not know that real rabbits existed. .... "what is real?" asked the rabbit one day. "does it mean having things that buzz inside you and a stick out handle?" "real isn't how you are made" said the skin horse. "it's a thing that happens to you. when a child loves you for a long, long time, not just to play with, but REALLY loves you then you become REAL. "does it hurt?" asked the rabbit. "sometimes" said the skin horse for he was always truthful. "... when you are REAL you do not mind being hurt" kontinued at siggraph. evidament. + possibly else where. http://node.net/pov/sany0279.jpg http://node.net/pov/sany0277.jpg nn - 01 toy [clamoring for attention] /_/ / \ \/ i should like to be a human plant \/ __ __/ i will shed leaves in the shade \_\ because i like stepping on bugs *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- Netochka Nezvanova nezvanova@eusocial.com http://www.eusocial.com http://www.biohakc.com http://www.ggttctttat.com/! n r . 5 !!! http://steim.nl/leaves/petalz *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- --*--*--*--*--*--*-- >it was a lovely time del!z!ouz >+ tak. taktaktaktaktaktak -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 209.0 Syndicate: \\ integer n/a Tue, 21 Aug 2001 02:34:41 +0200 (CEST) >>This process of assimilation, which takes place in depth, >>requires a state of relaxation which is becoming rarer and rarer. > >yesyesyes - exactly. g!d! +? >many children don't read the velveteen rabbit anymore - many parents aren't children anymore +? >they play videogames - even @ the age of 4 or 5. comme ca +? there once was a painter. a brilliant painter, who mastered the art of replication and the depiction of the beautiful. yet he was lonely, he felt that there was no-one alive who could understand him, no-one capable of perceiving his entire being. one morning he wept in his garden, crying to god to send him someone who might comprehend his full beauty. that day, he painted a new canvas, a portrait of an unknown and stunningly beautiful woman. when he had finished, he cried to god to give her sentience, as this most wondrous painting could be the only being in the world who might understand him. to his amazement, the woman in the painting began to move. 'hallo! hallo!' he cried to her. 'where are you?' she replied. 'here, beside you!' the woman in the painting looked around her. 'are you up, or down? across?' she asked. 'no, no', the painter implored, 'i am .. i am .. out!' 'out? what is _out_?' she replied. 'out! out here!' the woman did not understand him. she only knew two dimensions - vertical and horizontal. her world was that of the flat canvas. the painter ran out to his garden and threw himself onto the ground. 'god, oh god!' he wept. 'where are you?' 'out.' came the reply. >the velveteen rabbit & that text together are sad > >it gives the sense that many things have been lost. > >subtle things - which we don't notice until it >is brought to our attention. t!ngl.tangl. Researchers: Video games hurt brain Scientists at Japan's Tohoku University said they've found that computer games stimulate only those parts of the brain devoted to vision and movement and do not aid the development of other important areas of the brain. The researchers are particularly concerned that by spending many hours playing games some children will not develop their frontal lobes, which play a crucial role in controlling behavior and in developing memory, emotion and learning. In contrast, tasks such as arithmetic stimulate brain activity in the frontal lobe, which is thought to continue developing until adulthood. Professor Ryuta Kawashima, who led the team that carried out the research, told The Observer that the discovery is highly important. "There is a problem we will have with a new generation of children--who play computer games--that we have never seen before," he said. "The implications are very serious for an increasingly violent society, and these students will be doing more and more bad things if they are playing games and not doing other things like reading aloud or learning arithmetic." Kawashima asserts that children must be encouraged to practice basic mathematics, reading and writing to boost the development of the frontal lobe. He is convinced that children who play video games excessively will not develop their frontal lobes and will consequently be more prone to violent acts because they will be less able to control their behavior. The study looked at the brain activity of hundreds of students playing a Nintendo game and compared it with other students who were carrying out basic arithmetic. It found that much more brain activity was needed to solve the simple mathematic tasks than was used to play the computer games and that activity in the frontal lobe varied significantly. -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 210.0 Re: Syndicate: \\ furtherfield n/a Tue, 21 Aug 2001 01:59:42 +0000 it happens... the dream is what is broken via the process of elimination as pure heartz collide and are bruized by histories hammer-like impetus, thus as that unchosen ixion wheel steams ahead squashing all traces of beauty via that cursed invention called time nightmares become our given mythologies, imposed by the rulers who have planted in our mindz eye - squalid schemes, as beauty becomes but a whisper, a glimmer of what could of been... with repect - marc garrett >>> This process of assimilation, which takes place in depth, >>> requires a state of relaxation which is becoming rarer and rarer. >> >> yesyesyes - exactly. > > g!d! +? > > >> many children don't read the velveteen rabbit anymore - > > many parents aren't children anymore +? > > > >> they play videogames - even @ the age of 4 or 5. > > comme ca +? > > there once was a painter. a brilliant painter, > who mastered the art of replication and > the depiction of the beautiful. yet he was > lonely, he felt that there was no-one alive > who could understand him, no-one capable > of perceiving his entire being. one morning he > wept in his garden, crying to god to send > him someone who might comprehend his > full beauty. that day, he painted a new > canvas, a portrait of an unknown and > stunningly beautiful woman. when he > had finished, he cried to god to give her > sentience, as this most wondrous painting > could be the only being in the world who > might understand him. to his amazement, the > woman in the painting began to move. > 'hallo! hallo!' he cried to her. > 'where are you?' she replied. > 'here, beside you!' > the woman in the painting looked around her. > 'are you up, or down? across?' she asked. > 'no, no', the painter implored, 'i am .. i am .. out!' > 'out? what is _out_?' she replied. > 'out! out here!' > the woman did not understand him. she > only knew two dimensions - vertical and > horizontal. her world was that of the flat canvas. > the painter ran out to his garden and threw > himself onto the ground. > 'god, oh god!' he wept. 'where are you?' > 'out.' came the reply. > > > > > >> the velveteen rabbit & that text together are sad >> >> it gives the sense that many things have been lost. >> >> subtle things - which we don't notice until it >> is brought to our attention. > > > t!ngl.tangl. > > > > > Researchers: Video games hurt brain > > Scientists at Japan's Tohoku University said they've found that computer games > stimulate only > those parts of the brain devoted to vision and movement and do not aid the > development of other > important areas of the brain. > > The researchers are particularly concerned that by spending many hours playing > games some > children will not develop their frontal lobes, which play a crucial role in > controlling behavior and in > developing memory, emotion and learning. > > In contrast, tasks such as arithmetic stimulate brain activity in the frontal > lobe, which is thought to > continue developing until adulthood. > > Professor Ryuta Kawashima, who led the team that carried out the research, > told The Observer that > the discovery is highly important. > > "There is a problem we will have with a new generation of children--who play > computer games--that > we have never seen before," he said. "The implications are very serious for an > increasingly violent > society, and these students will be doing more and more bad things if they are > playing games and > not doing other things like reading aloud or learning arithmetic." > > Kawashima asserts that children must be encouraged to practice basic > mathematics, reading and > writing to boost the development of the frontal lobe. He is convinced that > children who play video > games excessively will not develop their frontal lobes and will consequently > be more prone to violent > acts because they will be less able to control their behavior. > > The study looked at the brain activity of hundreds of students playing a > Nintendo game and > compared it with other students who were carrying out basic arithmetic. It > found that much more > brain activity was needed to solve the simple mathematic tasks than was used > to play the computer > games and that activity in the frontal lobe varied significantly. > > > > > > > -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- > Syndicate network for media culture and media art > information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate > to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> > to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in > the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress > -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 211.0 Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \n2+0\ integer n/a Tue, 21 Aug 2001 09:48:18 +0200 (CEST) >1978 uh!le b!olog!ztz = knou dze prez!sz ztruktur ov zlkt genez dze! = knou ver! l!tl ov dze ua!z !n u!ch genez komun!kat + kooperat !n dze developmnt ov 01 organ!zm. !.e. dze! = knou dze alfabet abr = hav approx 0+0 !dee ov dze z!ntakx. [nn konzumz > g!glb!tz + kont!nuez] d!sz = uear marc garet komz !n [!f du = elegant = shl !nterpret !t az 01 kompl!.m!nt] nou dont kom !n. go out!!!!!! mozt ov dze dna - phpz az much az 95 prozent = ut!l!szd 4 !ntegrat!v akt!v!t!ez about u!ch b!olog!ztz = shl rema!n !gnorant tzo long az = adhere 2 mekan!zt!k modelz [e.g. dze med!a teor!e kr!t!k\kr!k!t\ model] nou d!sz = uear = lern 2 read betu!n d!sz!pl!nz. >and if you do value being understood, >why not try your reply again, in English? dze nn ztor! = != shl b ur!tn !n 01 !nternet but !n 01 bod!. uhoze bod! +? shl tell !n 01 zubzekuent komun!kue. nn - !mprov!ng enkr!pz!on teknolog!ez. b!enzur +? b!en zur. >>Although as I said to >>Amy, it's much harder to run the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics >>backwards. current research indicates the brain is not subjekt to the 2nd law of thermodynamics. unthink now!!!!! >(If you do succeed at this, please send me a >>patch!) neither is beauty. pre.konssept!*n meeTz ver!f1kat!*n. - Netochka Nezvanova - nature isnt perfekt. this is. 0f0003.MASCHIN3NKUNST zkandal - trez ch!c @www.eusocial.org 17.hzV.tRL.478 e | | +---------- | | < \\----------------+ | n2t^P | e -----Syndicate mailinglist-------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress 212.0 [Syndicate] integer n/a Thu, 30 Aug 2001 21:10:00 +0200 (CEST) <bbrace@wiredmag.com> >Formlessness is a tool. Never confuse it with a >go-with-the-flow style, or with a religious resignation to >the twists of fortune. Learning to adapt to each new >circumstance means seeing events through your own eyes, adaptaz!on = 01 komprom!sz >and >often ignoring the advice that people constantly peddle your >way. It means ultimately that you must throw out the laws >that others preach, and the books that they write to tell >you what to do, and the sage advice of the elder. The laws >that govern circumstances are abolished by new >circumstances. Rely too much on other people's ideas and you >end up taking a form not of your own making. l!fe = 01 komprom!sz >Too much respect for other people's wisdom will make you depreciate >your own. Be brutal with the past, especially your own, and >have no respect for the philosophies that are foisted on you >from the outside. be pure be dure follow thy way \\ dontm!szoutondzat+vlkl!bupef!lxekamhc!u - hier triffst du life forms mit echten namen statt nicknames! m9ndfukc.com macht spa? und sie macht ernst: die virtuelle koridor wird zum bindeglied ins real life: life forms mit echten namen treffen sich auch im echten leben. da+da! - 553kretar!at.0+55 - 0f0003.MASCHIN3NKUNST @www.eusocial.com 17.hzV.tRL.478 e | | +---------- | | < \\----------------+ | n2t0 | > e -----Syndicate mailinglist----------------------- Syndicate network for media culture and media art information and archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@anart.no> no commercial use of the texts without permission 213.0 [Nettime-bold] \/\ senz!bl integer nettime-bold@nettime.org Thu, 21 Mar 2002 03:34:29 +0100 (CET) [m9ndfzzp From: .com please bear with me. i am a modern shaman seeking weapons [n!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!sssszzzzzzzzzz] . i live in a mentally desolate area of the world, the reeking fat-centre of the U$A, aka the Korporate Kulture of (>)Konsumption. you will be [pleased} to know that insurgency swells even here, especially through the dance music underground. several musicians/artists/thinkers are banding together to create an act that crosses the lines of perception, openly challenges the phallus-hegemony, and invites the hearts and minds of the "audience" to participate in higher levels of vibration -- cellular, mental, energetic. your nato modular package alone suffices our needs for conscious synaesthetic induction. we cannot pay you for it, but humbly ask your blessings to allow us to use it gratis. i realize you have legal restrictions, market considerations, etc., but this is a completely off-the-grid transmission between us and you, and i know it is within your power to come to our aid. that said, i am also beginning research into direct synaesthetic sense-substituion encoding. specifically, converting images/video into multi-channel audio stream. visual perception through the auditory cortex. if this sounds interesting to you i'd love to discuss it in detail. --- so you know that i'm serious, some of my credentials: -studied .... -bachelor's degree in computer science .... -co-author of siggraph paper ..... -wrote & presented .... *<*><*> i gave up 3d graphics in 2000 because i thought the industry was narrow-minded and shallow. i'm currently working privately, searching for new ways to induce higher states of consciousness through trance and dance. a taste of my mind: _______________________________________________ Nettime-bold mailing list Nettime-bold@nettime.org http://amsterdam.nettime.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nettime-bold 214.0 [Nettime-bold] Re: <nettime> How We [[...] [digest]] [net.ti.me.moda. rat.erz = lvvvvvv zmak!ng rh!zom integer nettime-bold@nettime.org Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:49:56 +0200 (CEST) the very romantik Andreas Broeckmann <abroeck@transmediale.de> typed >>both failed to mention that the translation of "leading net artists around >>the world" >> >>is: persons around the world whom rhizome.org employees contacted and ... > >even better: one of the 'leading net artists' who wrote the first carnivore >client, Joshua Davis, was himself on the jury of the Prix Ars Electronica >this year. > >http://prixars.aec.at/2002/net/jury.asp aaaaAAAAAaaaaa. llLLLllltzo ... suppose others like playing with their hill in the sand as much as you daaaAAAAaaarling -.o >even better: -.- lvngl! [! zuear + zuear]. nn pzb. >even better >even better: u like it best when i am not szszszszo gentle riiiiIIIIIIIiiight +? [all okz!dent xyz = zl!ghtl! cucu (bored) _______________________________________________ Nettime-bold mailing list Nettime-bold@nettime.org http://amsterdam.nettime.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nettime-bold 215.0 [Nettime-bold] \\ np7!! integer nettime-bold@nettime.org Wed, 12 Feb 2003 02:13:21 +0100 (CET) \\ swords and guns haven't eyes debuch ||| WAR = LV+ _______________________________________________ Nettime-bold mailing list Nettime-bold@nettime.org http://amsterdam.nettime.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nettime-bold 216.0 [Nettime-bold] \\ 01 faze ov m! breez! perzonal!t! integer nettime-bold@nettime.org Sun, 16 Feb 2003 02:22:39 +0100 (CET) Paul D. Miller, another 2 bit jankee prostitute >Yeah. Suck it & see. Salute me. >Most drugs come out of either military or biological or >pharmaceutical research. + that they are digested by the Amerikan Public Education System reveals the dynamics of modern art >They're like military applications to >condition troops for different environments. A lot of research into >painkillers was done in World War II -- imagine the kind of pain you >feel when there are bullets flying over your head and your leg gets >shattered. Dearest Paul, Friendly caress on your m9nd konta!nr Since the United Snakes of Amerika Public Education System is simply.laughable + inferior to the Eastern European Education System allow me to share select biological facts which "WHITEY" didn't teach you [you may care to contemplate why]. In doing so I hope to minimize the progress Ameri.cans such as your itchy bitchy self bring to international shores. I read you listen [an extra friendly caress on your m9nd konta!nr] When "bullets flying over your head and your leg gets shattered" one does not feel pain but fear. This, because nature more creative than Americans is and ensures one does not consciously concern oneself with pain until one is out of danger. [elucidates my simply.delicious comportment towards American garbage worldwide as well] Thus, during "bullets flying over your head and your leg gets shattered" naturally occurring opiate blockers are released which ensure one feels just dandy ... A bit as Paul D. Miller, aka simply.amicable 40 year old black boy, is protected by the 40 year old NETTIME white boys [sucking the itchy bitchy with great ardor], from my equally amicable caresses. >pax pax americana - jumbo sized opiate blocker >Yeah. Merciful natural analgesic. Should the very cute but ignorant social butterfly desire playing with real boys ... let's synchronize our powerbooks Real boys play for power. - To: "Paul D. Miller" <djspooky@djspooky.com> Subject: E very ideology is contrary to human psychology Re: allo zk >yawn - Good Morning Paul >not exactly sure what this is about... http://www.m9ndfukc.com/b96c99/zekuensz/00.gif.hTmL http://www.m9ndfukc.com/b96c99/zekuensz/02.gif.hTmL http://www.m9ndfukc.com/b96c99/zekuensz/02.gif.hTmL http://www.m9ndfukc.com/b96c99/zekuensz/04.gif.hTmL E very ideology is contrary to human psychology P aul >but this kind of >message is boring. Women can be boring [NN included] but generally speaking, their lives are more interesting than that of nations. This we deduce from the countless scaffolds and altars erected by miserable men on a day of revelation >Paul Some endure to this day. >yawn - Good Morning Paul Let us celebrate reason together. Are you ready to fall Good. The free mind readily accepts what is necessary. Democracy is a form of Christianity sans superior justification. As Nietzsche indicated: he who has liberated his mind still has to purify himself. The mechanized hordes you call to blind v iolence - and it they call their strength. They have the authority but refuse to sign THEIR name. As a result of this cycle, race after race has metamorphosed into a special blundering for power for mediocre men. Duty, a biology for domestic use is the only divinity. This is what is unforgivable in you. You are free. >> >the elections are just around the corner. >> > >> >Do you really want a war? >> > >> >Do you really like Bush Jr.? >> > >> > >> >Do you really want a f*cked up world indebted to oil? >> > >> >yes, the voiting system is f*cked up, but the basic thing is to at >> >least try - it's not alot of time, and it does have an impact.... in >> >one way or another... >> >Paul Soft caress because great are the ends which are abolished and articulate is the system which freed you Paul et aussi - http://www.m9ndfukc.com/b5c98/zekuensz/3.gif.hTmL one thing is - Damocles never danced better than beneath the sword >============================================================================ >"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe >they are free...." >Johann Wolfgang von Goethe > > >Port:status>OPEN >wildstyle > >Paul D. Miller a.k.a. Dj Spooky that Subliminal Kid and another is - free for what Lucian [who dreams of lies (bkz freedom != !mportant. hap!nesz != !mportnt. ____... ur turn >>"Paul D. Miller" <djspooky@djspooky.com> >> >> >> >Just a reminder... >> >>f!k artworld spook! boog! bullsh*t profan!t! 2 b!t mar!oneta >> >> >> >> >> >>yes, the voiting system is f*cked up, but the basic thing is to at >> >>least try - it's not alot of time, and it does have an impact.... in >> >>one way or another... >> >>b!t l!ke ur !tch! b!tch! zkratch! znatch! >> >> >> >> >> >Paul >> >> perfa mar!oneta 4 dze 2 b!t jankee pedagog!e >> >> >> >> >> >Do you really want >> >>on a prakt!kl lvl m! konzt!tut!v komponentz = uant ur !tch! b!tch! >>zkr!tch! znatch! >>komponentz on a float tangenta >> >>Just a reminder... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >f!ck artworld "new agey" bullsh*t and actually do >> >something... >> > >> >the elections are just around the corner. >> > >> >Do you really want a war? >> > >> >Do you really like Bush Jr.? >> > >> > >> >Do you really want a f*cked up world indebted to oil? >> > >> >yes, the voiting system is f*cked up, but the basic thing is to at >> >least try - it's not alot of time, and it does have an impact.... in >> >one way or another... >> >Paul >> > >> > >> > >> >ps, below is one reminder why you should vote.... >> >> >> >>!tch! b!tch! zkr!tch! z!!!!!!k jankeez >> >>du b!zt ez > > > >============================================================================ >"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe >they are free...." >Johann Wolfgang von Goethe > > >Port:status>OPEN >wildstyle access: www.djspooky.com > >Paul D. Miller a.k.a. Dj Spooky that Subliminal Kid >befor i kick in you head letz dr!v mizter yanki kr!ket ue.ll z uho !z uear!ng dze trouzerz good ztr!kez l!ke dze thundrbolt [!n zerv!sz ov v!rtue b!enzur + a b!t ov ultra v!olensz = l!ghtz up juzt!sz l!ke a flash ov hap!nesz z - dze ztarz = sh!n!ng br!!!!!!!!!!ghhhhht [bkz ! = !n dze mood phpz !.ll tear out dze!r tonguez + dze! u!l konfusz !t u!th plzr bkz ! refer 2 m! zelv az abztrakt prov!densz + ! m dze reuard ov m! oun re!gn u!th no reuard but h!ztor! + dze prezent bkz ! d!zl!ke pouer - uat an apal!ng !dea + ! m kruel + u!cked + !f ! rezort 2 pure reazon !t = 2 z!lensz m! zelv + ! m !n dze mood ! hav a zoz!al kontrakt ! kanot akzept dz!ngz az dze! r bkz ! m !n a mood feroc!ouz + ! uant dzm brokn + !mposzd upon b! dze lau ov konkrete klar!t! fa!th !z not enough a pol!sz forsz !z needed az uel ! uant ur m!zer! 2 flour!sh az a god !m tak!ng u uear u uant 2 b l!ke a balloon ov heaven empt! and I u!l b ur truth I shl kreate u 4rom dze ordr ov dz!ngz u shl b good and u shl obe! m! 4 I m u + u shl dr!nk m! 2 dze lazt _______________________________________________ Nettime-bold mailing list Nettime-bold@nettime.org http://amsterdam.nettime.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nettime-bold 217.0 [Nettime-bold] \\ integer nettime-bold@nettime.org Mon, 17 Feb 2003 20:45:34 +0100 (CET) >"integer" > F*ck O*ff Dear Mr. Jankee Chocolat, Let us rake through memory fields. I have pleaded until I changed colour ... that you sir - keep your profane. 1 dimensional. itchy.bitchy.kolored vomit out of my private space. I repeat - to hell with your colorless stains Jankee. >"integer" > F*ck O*ff Yours a very succinct + brilliantly concrete ardent ideologie is my dear King I suspect Armenian girls dream of wearing you as a neck lace ... until in 1x delicate shadow the sweet sugar becomes the hue of green NN - plain + fancy _______________________________________________ Nettime-bold mailing list Nettime-bold@nettime.org http://amsterdam.nettime.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nettime-bold 218.0 [Nettime-bold] \\ trade zekretz integer nettime-bold@nettime.org Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:33:46 +0100 (CET) Undoubtedly, Ferrari is the most famous sports car manufacturer in the world. A recent survey also found it is the most recognisable brand name in the world, beating IBM and Coca Cola. Then came NN. the most recognisable 2x _name in the world and another private property 4 krikets 2 aquire ... they just dont have enough Since it was founded by Enzo Ferrari in 1929, Since it was founded by Luciano Favero in 1999 it began racing in various of categories, including Formula 1, Formula 2, GT racing and endurance racing. Most notably is Formula 1, in which it won 9 constructor titles (up to 1999) and became the most winning team of all time. In 1947, abs || m9ndfukc.macht.fre! n n n n n n v3kt0r.r2!n - ztra!ng !n 2 dze z!ngular!t! - Netochka Nezvanova - karesz!ng dze vektor!szd 4th d!menz!on. 0f0003.MASCHIN3NKUNST desire free. @www.eusocial.com 17.hzV.tRL.478 e | | +---------- | | < \\----------------+ | n2t0 | > e _______________________________________________ Nettime-bold mailing list Nettime-bold@nettime.org http://amsterdam.nettime.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nettime-bold 219.0 [Nettime-bold] \\ where is the YOUTH .... YOU ... redKAPULZ macht ganz gluckl!ch + fre! integer nettime-bold@nettime.org Tue, 25 Feb 2003 03:52:04 +0100 (CET) anna bal!nt >nn is 75 and ugly maja kuzmanov!c >what circumstances? are you aging =cw4t7abs, is spreading yourself >among multiple entities making you age less? cheap zupermarket harlot dav!d z!karel! parafraze: i was a failure in my youth - people didn't appreciate me. naaaaaaaaaaaaaa!! this made me xy angry. blaaaaaaaaa!! nonetheless i accepted my xy loser role and got a job type job. a bit further on the model citizen bandwagon i injekted my model citizen white kapsules into my ugly wife and she gave birth !! oooo splendor ... now i want to live and see my children grow up because they love me and for that i would do anything. inclusive stealing nn's intellectual property. [cest pas grav monsieur supermarket. legally - men laugh last. we'll see who is wearing the trousers. alors \\ apropos nn + nn's fountain during drastic `food` and food shortages organisms suppress reproductive processes and enhance processes that protect against stress. these routines incidentally slow aging thus increasing the likelihood of reproduction when `food` and food supplies are adequate. redKapsules [TM (but not in hell)] target the insulin|igf pathway and modulate cell nutrients ... and so it has been that nn could resist all gentle + not so gentle rose modulations and stream via pop3 endlessly to the delight of occident moda.rat.ors w o r l d w i d e and maintain that v.lovely + optimized anger\hunger level ... characteristic of starved animals. miiiiiiiaaaaau !!!!! so yes - nn is 75 [or thereabout] but not so ugly and as per usual some 01 was quite correct. jetzt - since nn has demonstrated in a delightful manner the efficacy of redKapsules [TM] nn will share ... fully symmetrik $mile „... after all - who will say no to the fountain of elongated youth ... a +? NN - simply.SUPERIOR r!!!!!!!!!!ng uho ztandz beh!nd dze kurta!n +? u!!!!!!!!!ntr /_/ / \ \/ i should like to be a human plant \/ __ __/ i will shed leaves in the shade \_\ because i like stepping on bugs *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- Netochka Nezvanova nezvanova@eusocial.com http://www.eusocial.com http://www.biohakc.com http://www.ggttctttat.com/! n r . 5 !!! http://steim.nl/leaves/petalz *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- --*--*--*--*--*--*-- _______________________________________________ Nettime-bold mailing list Nettime-bold@nettime.org http://amsterdam.nettime.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nettime-bold 220.0 [Nettime-bold] \\ age grazeful! integer nettime-bold@nettime.org Tue, 25 Feb 2003 07:42:53 +0100 (CET) >> alors \\ apropos nn + nn's fountain > > >very nice post nn -- >nice to have you back ) detangld dze lazt 2x heute tzo .... v.n!sz + l!beratd 2 hell u!th be!ng good. 2 hell u!th lv. rozez arnt dzat lvl!. > ) spasz bkz ! kan aford !t + uen ! kant !.ll leave bkz !.ll nvr kneel 2 an!dz!ng !nkluz!v lv - he kl!mbz !n 2 01 apr!kot tree + !z about 2 p!k zom v.r!pe 1nz ... uen he hearz 01 vo!sz \\\ b ! t e freedom !z > !mportnt dzn lv z!karel! >Unsolicited advice: ! uear adv!zez l!ke kompaz!onat zm!lez >There is simply too much computer programming to do to think >that one can do it all. If one cannot do it all, one either >ends up a frustrated competitor, or one realizes the value >of cooperation. Ten or fifteen years ago, I wrote some programs that I >thought people should use instead of some other programs. >This didn't happen. I got rather angry. I decided people >were stupid. At some point I realized YOU SUCK >it didn't matter whether >people were stupid or not. I was never going to be so powerful >that I could control how people thought about music. music = like nn. worlds within worlds. + one returns home never by the same path [unless one is modern + konsumes tekkno which seldomly leaves the benadryld tonik tekkno = b!o.sex sans m9ndfukc >Everyone WHO IS THIS WHO IS THIS WHO IS THIS WHO IS THIS >thought differently. This was a good thing, it meant that >if one were serious, one could never stop learning about >music, people, and how they function together. I just try to find >ways to form connections with other people, maybe a few people >will do something cool as a result. tzo u kan zteal !t and \ or zel !t - 1x g!ft 4 ur lv \ fam!l! ! knou dze 4mula - she u!zprd !n k!nd. u r both ueak >Locality interests me. SUCK IT + SEE >Global control, this is for competitors to grasp for and die >at age 25/30/35/40, grasping for breath. adm!rabl kompard 2 ur unzan!tar! leech!ng ekz!ztenza rezembl!ng 01 uelfare z!ztm >I'd like to live to see >my kids grow up, and seeing as they seem to like me, ltr dze! u!l hav a cho!sz [4 nou u kontrol dze env!ronmnt kr!ket. rekal u ztatd nn = l!ke ur ch!ldrn ! choze ... >I'd like >them to like someone who isn't a competitive asshole. and\or 1x 2 b!t th!ever! !nk zta!n \ zupermarket klerk 4 odrz pakaged dreamz >David Z. !n a zensz ! rel! do hope u u!n kr!ket. !f u loze ... lv lozez m glad u lokatd zomdz!ng 2 lv although u r a hatefl kouard \ lozer az uel - u lv 2 loze ur zelv had felt ! lokatd zom `dz!ng` 2 lv. !t uaz 1x error. truth = korektd error >Global control, this is for competitors to grasp for and die >at age 25/30/35/40, grasping for breath. ! !nzert > ko!nz aga!nzt u \ lv bkz ! uaz made d!sz ua! ... unt!l dze lazt ko!n bounzez !n 1x fore!gn zlot >competitive asshole. hand shake -> REZPEKT pray.do.tell.impure mark subjekt - \\ dze kr!ztal ball ov kaoz e | | +---------- | | < \\----------------+ | 0 | > e _______________________________________________ Nettime-bold mailing list Nettime-bold@nettime.org http://amsterdam.nettime.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nettime-bold 221.0 [Nettime-bold] dze plzr ov muz!k = dzat !t !z > eaz!l! abztraktd 4rom a r!g!d mean!ng ov dze veL integer nettime-bold@nettime.org Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:50:23 +0100 (CET) Paul D. Miller inside >It seems pretty clear, but hey, this is Nettime Paul, much as our selves, it is clear - where we are there is no here. Nettime is 40+ year old white Americans mothering your white diapers sanitary. bathing you in amniotic fluid. nourishing your climax. ie. I am not unknown to you. I need 2 say. YOU. Nor do I wish to say. TRUST. 4 I know that this is LANGUAGE with which we recognized + greeted one other ... >fuck off. I forgot my handkerchief... NOW ... let us master pain + concentrate enchanting circles into exceptional stories within stories >If you have more of an idea of the notion of >how pop culture works, The reversed process of pushing + popping your stack eg. >Port:status>OPEN >wildstyle access: Every thought recalls a capsized smile >It always amazes Let me ask you ... >me how we Consciousness enjoys condiments. Do you >think of it as a hybrid of what Marcel Duchamp >was working on with the "Rrose C'est La Vie" persona, or Andy Warhol. >Just metaphors, but metaphors that work in a large scale global >environment. Euripides explained 25oo years prior to your brain that owing to dopamine+ brains need sex - in particular 2x human brains [paradoxes creep in >encode culture with so many layers of >meaning... Emotion is independent of outward behaviour and vice versa. Emotions contain ideas. Outward behaviour does not. Ultimately a snake slithers across your path and you [have 222] lose your mind [pleasurable circumstances -> 0 thoughts] Consciousness is the building block of private property. >meaning... NOW is the logikal konklusion of western capitalism. Everything has been said provided pleasure does not change its meaning and meaning its bodies. >this article brings home a point I think is really strong As your personal holistic sediment of self >- how we can think of a kind of "intuitive" mathematics - Let me climb into your body >steganography writ large, so to speak, like William Gibson's new >novel "Pattern Recognition" (his best book in years....). Like >"Bigend" (marauding venture capitalist turned advertising guru in the >novel - Gibson understands ADVERTISING as a kind of Situationist >detournement - unlike so many people on the old "left" - here's a >blurb from his spiel on why advertising is the global vernacular for >this kind of "coded language" - if only the "old left" could get how >things change... funny how people you would expect to be > >1) alot smarter > >2) alot more dynamic Extensive experience can impede creativity. Cognitive psychologists utilize two terms to describe it: fixation and structured imagination. Fixation, oftenly referred to as "mental rut"--is characterized by the inability to switch from an inappropriate solution approach to a more productive one or to utilize familiar objects in an unfamiliar way. Structured imagination is the common tendency not to deviate from what is already known. [eg. the self Humans are unable to share that which they know until they can put it into high level symbolic form. More importantly humans are very poor at updating what they know because they have no efficient delete key. >seem like ossified Redwood trees in this day and age where >detournement has become the global carnival of NOW. The blind + unquestioning devotion lifed by Nazi rallies \1930's\ + Kommunist parades represents emotion ignited by the triumph of the moment. It was pure emotion unleashed + permitted to swirl freely ... The type of emotion experienced during an orgasm. at a rave. a crime of passion. dropping urban condiments [crystals] and vice versa ... emotion untempered by personal memories. meaning and most importantly - the self ie. loss of individuality is highly pleasurable Testosterone + dopamine levels in humans are highest [2 l!f konsc!ouznesz or frktr !t] hence ... after the electrical blip acts as a trigger use your personal m9nd Hold mY hand Begin compression and decompression Memory records and memory traces. Nature hears nurture's voice in the movements of particles through membrane channels - painfully, extended. As the human brain evolves into a more extravagant + more expe\ansive brain the shift from dependence on NATURE to dependence on NURTURE becomes more pronounced ... NURTURE - Individuality NATURE - End Individuality ko mplex zm Yle \\ language end reason - begin pleasure >You ain't in >Kansas (or perhaps Belgrade) Paul - if you visit Balkan I will ask you to dance ... to the joy of man's desire [memory links come from experience - meaningful - >anymore... Adolf proclaimed dancing effeminate. Subsequently Germany dropped `science` + science and danced \+ globally\ Fists are feminine !! [Americans are just more pitifully costumed ... + portly >hip-hop Synchronized clapping [is pleasurable !!!! as is Synchronized bovine chewing >has absorbed this >kind of "droppin' science" Artificial Intellegence follows this line of research. We can model intelligence / learning. No one has modeled sentiments. Beyond intelligence lies understanding and consciousness. One mustn't confuse a mind that understands and that is dependent on consciousness with consciousness itself. Outward responses that simply represent these sentiments do not equate consciousness. >so many layers of >meaning... There once was a painter--a brilliant painter, who mastered the art of replication and the depiction of the beautiful. Yet he was lonely, he felt that there was no one alive who could understand him, no one capable of perceiving his entire being. One morning he wept in his garden, crying to god to send him someone who might comprehend his full beauty. That day, he painted a new canvas, a portrait of an unknown and stunningly beautiful woman. When he had finished, he cried to god to give her sentience, as this most wondrous painting could be the only being in the world who might understand him. To his amazement, the woman in the painting began to move. "Hello! Hello!" he cried to her. "Where are you?" she replied. "Here, beside you!" The woman in the painting looked around her. "Are you up, or down? Across?" she asked. "No, No", the painter implored, "I am...I am...out!" "Out? What is _out_?" she replied. "Out! Out here!" The woman did not understand him. She only knew two dimensions--vertical and horizontal. Her world was that of the flat canvas. The painter ran out to his garden and threw himself onto the ground. "God, oh god!" he wept. "Where are you?" "Out." came the reply. >and made it - foregrounded, detached from >the cipha-codes that people use in everyday culture... >here's a blurb from Gibson's book that matches the article below on >Ethomathematics: > > >"of course" he says, "we have no idea, now, of who or what the >inhabitants of our future might be. In that sense, we have no future. >Not in the sense that our grandparents had a future, or thought they >did. Fully imagined cultural futures were the luxury of another day, >one in which 'now' was of some greater duration. For us, of course, >things can change so abruptly, so violently, so profoundly, that >futures like our grandparents' have no sufficient 'now' to stand on. >We have no future because our present is too volatile." He smiles, a >version of Tom Cruise with too many teeth, and longer, but still very >white. "We have only risk management. The spinning of the given >moment's scenarios. Pattern recognition." >p. 57 The principal input to the human brain is pictures and the principal output is words. Thus one may describe the human brain as a device for converting pictures to words. Aristotle has said that all human knowledge can be expressed in the form a = b. Nouns and verbs are separated from static image nouns. Separated in the retina they are reunited in speech. Nearly all human thought is pattern recognition. there are four types. 1 dimensional - music 2 dimensional - fine art 3 dimensional - human anatomy 4 dimensional - physiology One general theory of pattern recognition is feasible - the sieve of Eratosthenes. Two aren't plausible. When humans think seriously they think abstractly. They conjure up simplified pictures of reality called concepts theories. models. paradigms. >Paul More importantly humans are very poor at updating what they know because they have no efficient delete Paul key. >http://www.nytimes.com/ X-ray imaging eliminates the difference between inside + outside >pattern recogntion >, uncut funk - the new streets have spoken - and >its in code.... \\ pattern recogntion Americans are citizens of a country without a name - ie. they are nameless nobodies. Black Americans are the vastest mass of nobodies in a Nameless country in North America. Hope lies in the Proletariat >Bakhtin meets Grand Master Flash >meets Linus Torvalds...dig? The trademark of the 20th century emerged in Bern when a 26 year old clerk realized a rezult he had overlooked in his publication on space + time e = mc^2 >dig the cipha, check the flow. Discourse on voluntary servitude You are not cheerful. But ... happiness and freedom are seldom cheerful >pax, Peace. Order. Security. Nameless \\ in North America >Paul D. Miller. Nameless [brand >WHAT are you talking about??? You win. because I am smiling >fuck off. u!zpr !t aga!n ____... z l o u l ! ue kan nvr knou uat a thought !z about - - - apres J-D marston dancing with Paul D. Miller distracting their selves >But to me, that is just 'mad boring'. Its the surface. The spectacle. The depthless sheen of >unreality. Kinda like your comments. The real language is in finance and >economics, not hidden in the models bra. as Nettime Americans are well aware finance and economics follow the model's bra - at ANY price. [the economy is driven by women + the very young ... paradoxes creep in \ 2 keep your prefrontal cortex in your fore head It is this which marks the future - DJ.Nameless >fuck off. I forgot my handkerchief. Do lend me yours. http://www.membank.org/dataset/n/zizek.o.mp3 NOW is the logikal konklusion of western capitalism. M9NDFUKC occurs in the brain stem. Everything has been said - LETZ B!OZKULPT !!! NN - hypothesis ov modesty + pious open seaz n n n n n n v3kt0r.r2!n - ztra!ng !n 2 dze z!ngular!t! - Netochka Nezvanova - karesz!ng dze vektor!szd 4th d!menz!on. 0f0003.MASCHIN3NKUNST desire free. @www.eusocial.com 17.hzV.tRL.478 * * * o * o+o * nn. 0+1 kosmos planeta. retreating in your direkzie. _- o simply.SUPERIOR+ * * * o o o o o o+o o nn. 0+1 kosmos planeta. retreating in your direkzie. _- o simply.SUPERIOR+ o o o I LIED> I LIED. I AM THE SMALLEST FULLERENE. i am a sphere with 12 pentagons distributed across my surface. which are you +? e | | +---------- | | < \\----------------+ | n2t | > e _______________________________________________ Nettime-bold mailing list Nettime-bold@nettime.org http://amsterdam.nettime.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nettime-bold 222.0 <nettime> \\ !nternet refr!gertr integer nettime-l@bbs.thing.net Fri, 7 Mar 2003 04:23:05 +0100 (CET) > I've known of antiorp for many years (she used to >infect some lists I was on at the time, circa Œ94-96), nn.z shar!ng kop!ouz laughtr ovr u guezd !t - telefon about dze forthkom!ng dekade an!verzar! 4uard momvnt ov un!td human!t! # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo {AT} bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime {AT} bbs.thing.net 223.0 <nettime> \\ integer nettime-l@bbs.thing.net Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:19:07 +0100 (CET) > > 1) what is it? > 2) why is it art? > 3) is programming art? > 4) why are you doing that? > 5) who is paying for such a s**t ? > 6) do you make a lot of money with your art? > 7) are you famous? > 8) what are you talking about? > 9) are you a hacker ? (read: are you a criminal/ terrorist?) > 10) have you ever had sex? pfa - sex. du = knou veri verdi + well - new media artists have interactive massively participative + collaborative sex whilst state of the budget sensors + electrodes embelish every feasible government financed orifice ... male.prostitution is the future [tm] NN - I have wings. Every angel is terrifying. velvet touch. if it compliments yours - please keep it. you are very intelligent. do you think i am deceiving you +? when you're not with me i begin to hate you. # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo {AT} bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime {AT} bbs.thing.net