diff --git a/export/exportxml.py b/export/exportxml.py index 7644ce0..d7b56df 100644 --- a/export/exportxml.py +++ b/export/exportxml.py @@ -130,12 +130,12 @@ def emit_mail_xml(msg, li, thread_nbr, msg_nbr): h = hash(msg) # patch if h in hashes: - #logging.warning("Duplicate: " + msg['from'] + " - " + msg['subject'] + " - " + msg['date'] + ". Skipping...") + logging.warning("Duplicate: " + msg['from'] + " - " + msg['subject'] + " - " + msg['date'] + ". Skipping...") return '' else: hashes.append(h) - print(msg['date'] + " - " + msg['subject']) + # print(msg['date'] + " - " + msg['subject']) nbr = make_xml_element("nbr", str(thread_nbr) + "." + str(msg_nbr)) + "\n" @@ -249,7 +249,10 @@ def export_single_tag(t, sel, fout): thread_nbr = 0 for m in ch['lists']: - chapter_mails += emit_mail_xml(m, m['list'], thread_nbr, 0) + mail = emit_mail_xml(m, m['list'], thread_nbr, 0) + if mail == '': + continue + chapter_mails += mail thread_nbr += 1 @@ -266,9 +269,10 @@ def export_single_tag(t, sel, fout): print(str(len(all_follow))) all_follow = sorted(all_follow, key=lambda m: export.utils.parse_date_msg(m)) for f in all_follow: - chapter_mails += emit_mail_xml(f, m['list'], thread_nbr, msg_nbr) - msg_nbr += 1 - + mail = emit_mail_xml(f, m['list'], thread_nbr, msg_nbr) + if mail != '': + chapter_mails += mail + msg_nbr += 1 diff --git a/selection/nn_sorted.js b/selection/nn_sorted.js index 50e4705..3275651 100644 --- a/selection/nn_sorted.js +++ b/selection/nn_sorted.js @@ -54,58 +54,6 @@ "subject": " Re: Concerned about terrorism in Kosovo", "id": "00010" }, - { - "id": "00010", - "content": "\nMay be Andrej should take a look at:\n\nhttp://www.koha.net/ARTA/drenica.htm\n\nto see and read some other facts about what he is easely calling terrorism.\nKilling pregnant women, and in this way, is barbarism.\n\nRichard van den Brink\n =20\nDate: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 01:26:02 +0100\nFrom: ANDREJ TISMA \nSubject: Re: Concerned about terrorism in Kosovo\nX-Priority: 3 (Normal)\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=3Diso-8859-1\nContent-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n\nOK Richard van den Brink,\n\nI've seen and read the report by Albanian secessionist magazine (all\narticles unsigned) which You have recommended to me.\nWell, first those photos. What do You think that Serbian four policemen\nwho were killed by Kosova Liberation Army looked less massacred than\nthese Albanians on photos?\nAlso these \"innocent unarmed civilians\" are now presented as members of\nparticular families, but when they go out armed with machine guns and\neven grenade launchers, in uniforms, with covered faces, than they call\nthemselves Kosova Liberation Army. Why did they find shelter in their\nfamily's homes, causing civilian victims, You should ask those brave\nmen.\nFinally, how can I believe to those reports You are recommending, when\nthere is \"Government of Republic of Kosova\" mentioned there,\n\"Republic\" which does not exist, maybe in separatists' dreams!\nCurrently on the map there is only Republic of Serbia, of which Kosova\nis only a province.\nWhat do You think, if this police attack on \"unarmed Albanian civilians\"\nlasted entire two days, isn't that strange that only 16 victims on\nAlbanian side are resulted. In two days policemen could kill at least\n2000 unarmed civilians.\nAlso even Albanian reports say there were heavy two days fightings. With\nwhom? With unarmed civilians? Don't be kidding.\n\nPlease, read carefully these quotations from Albanian separatist\nsources:\n>This could be considered as KLA's\n> operation to \"demonstrate force\" in order to boost the will of\nKosova >Albanians and force the Serbs to act.\n>Courageous tactic, militarily shrewd, since whatever the Serbs do, they\ncannot >win.\n>It was also said that the majority of the patients brought to the\nhospital were Serb >policemen, who have\n> run into resistance of the local population, but also, as it is\nstated, of the KLA >forces, in Drenic=EB.\n\nWho were policemen victims of? Unarmed innocent civilians?? Don't be, or\nplay naive.\nTerrorism has to be destroyed. There should be no sentimentality. What\ndid United States do in Los Angeles, when 500 black people were\nmassacred in one day by the Federal police? And what happened in Mexico\nto the separatist army? So be serious and don't support terrorism\nanywhere in the world.\n\n Andrej\n\n\n\n---\n# distributed via nettime-l : no commercial use without permission\n# is a closed moderated mailinglist for net criticism,\n# collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets\n# more info: majordomo {AT} icf.de and \"info nettime\" in the msg body\n# URL: http://www.desk.nl/~nettime/ contact: nettime-owner {AT} icf.de\n\n", - "to": "nettime-l {AT} basis.Desk.nl", - "url": "https://nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-9803/msg00010.html", - "list": "nettime_l", - "author_name": "rvdbri", - "subject": " Re: Concerned about terrorism in Kosovo", - "from": "vdbri {AT} pi.net", - "follow-up": [ - { - "from": "Aleksandar & Branka Davic ", - "content": "\nSubject:\n Concerned about terrorism in Kosovo\n Date:\n Tue, 03 Mar 1998 21:10:49 +0100\n From:\n ANDREJ TISMA \n To:\n Nettime \n\n\ndear andrej,\n\nplease, please stop talk in name of all people who live in serbia! use I\ninstead of WE, because certanly not all people here think as you do. and\nif you want to play slobodan milosevic`s \"loud speaker\" it is your\nchoice, and you have right to think it that way as i have right to have\nmy personal oppinion, but then in your txt you can not use WE. have you\nbeen personaly at kosovo, saw demonstrations with your own eyes???? i\nwas not there and can not be so sure that all reports on serbian TV are\nthe only truth, there are two sides in conflict, as far as i know, and\nboth of those sides have some vision of the conflict. everything you\nwrote looks like typical SM propaganda, (in both meanings, slobodan\nmilosevic`s and sado/mazo), with \"one side\" story. the only certan truth\nis that no one of us, you and me, know what realy is the truth.\nshouldn`t we be more concerned about all human lifes lost in kosovo in\nlast decade in the first place, not last few months or weeks. i saw your\nnice letter to american president. when finaly you will write to\nyugoslav president?! don`t you really have nothing to say him?! when\nover 20 lifes have been lost in one weekend, i think it is not possible\nto separate them on \"good\" and \"bad\" dead people. they all were human\nbeings, and they are dead now, among them some under age, lot of them\nparents, on both sides. that`s what worries me all the time, and i see\nno way out of this mase without dialogue.i doubt very much that any\nsolution will be found with guns, on the both sides. so, please calm\ndown and think twice; it is well known for a loooong time that in this\ncountry the best keeped truth is the truth itself.\n\nbranka milicic-davic\n\nPS- should i remind you on the fact that we live in the very same town,\nwhere more than 20 nations live together, and some of our neighbours are\nalbanians, as well as jews, hungarians, romanian, slowaks, roma, croats,\nrussians, bulgarians.. . i wonder what they would have to say to your\nletter...\n\n---\n# distributed via nettime-l : no commercial use without permission\n# is a closed moderated mailinglist for net criticism,\n# collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets\n# more info: majordomo {AT} icf.de and \"info nettime\" in the msg body\n# URL: http://www.desk.nl/~nettime/ contact: nettime-owner {AT} icf.de\n\n", - "id": "00013", - "date": "Wed, 04 Mar 1998 10:03:32 +0100", - "to": "nettime-l {AT} basis.Desk.nl", - "message-id": "199803041234.NAA04374 {AT} basis.Desk.nl", - "url": "https://nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-9803/msg00013.html", - "content-type": "text/plai", - "author_name": "Aleksandar & Branka Davic", - "subject": " Re: Concerned about terrorism in Kosovo" - }, - { - "from": "vdbri {AT} pi.net", - "content": "\nAart wrote:\n\n\n>OK Richard van den Brink,\n>\n>I've seen and read the report by Albanian secessionist magazine (all\n>articles unsigned) which You have recommended to me.\n>Well, first those photos. What do You think that Serbian four policemen\n>who were killed by Kosova Liberation Army looked less massacred than\n>these Albanians on photos?\n\nNo reason trying to outbid with other pictures or facts. What is\ndisquieting me is that the nettime list is used for an outspoken political\npoint of (Servian) view on the conflict in Kosovo. For me it's ok that this\nkind of opinions are existing, but I don't need to read those on a list as\nnettime. In the same way I wouldn't propagandize to read information on\ncertain sites I was recommending as a kind of counter balance. \n\nIt would be possible to start a discussion about the Kosovo conflict here,\nbut I don't think its the propper place. Therefore I suggest - if I am\nright - to modorate the list in a better way.\n\n\nRichard\n\n---\n# distributed via nettime-l : no commercial use without permission\n# is a closed moderated mailinglist for net criticism,\n# collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets\n# more info: majordomo {AT} icf.de and \"info nettime\" in the msg body\n# URL: http://www.desk.nl/~nettime/ contact: nettime-owner {AT} icf.de\n\n", - "id": "00015", - "date": "Wed, 04 Mar 1998 10:45:33 +0100", - "to": "nettime-l {AT} basis.Desk.nl", - "message-id": "199803041236.NAA04421 {AT} basis.Desk.nl", - "url": "https://nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-9803/msg00015.html", - "content-type": "text/plai", - "author_name": "rvdbri", - "subject": "Re: Re: Concerned about terrorism in Kosovo" - }, - { - "content-type": "text/plai", - "from": "antiorp {AT} tezcat.c", - "id": "00042", - "content": "\n>We in Yugoslavia are very concerned about the increasing of terrorist\n\nserb!an akt!v!t!ez.\n\n\nhttp://www.god-emil.dk/=cw4t7abs/0f0003/produkter/film+video.html\n\nkl!k 0\n\n\n\nam -3r! kk a 5 u g3 r _||-\n\n\n\n> Serb military and paramilitary forces attacked today 14 villages in Kosove.\n> 95++ d ea d.\n\n\n\nwww.albanian.com\nwww.koha.net\nwww.dardania.com\nwww.kosova.de\n\n\n---\n# distributed via nettime-l : no commercial use without permission\n# is a closed moderated mailinglist for net criticism,\n# collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets\n# more info: majordomo {AT} icf.de and \"info nettime\" in the msg body\n# URL: http://www.desk.nl/~nettime/ contact: nettime-owner {AT} icf.de\n\n", - "date": "Sun, 8 Mar 1998 05:54:02 -0600", - "to": "nettime-l {AT} Desk.nl", - "message-id": "199803082007.VAA30806 {AT} basis.Desk.nl", - "url": "https://nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-9803/msg00042.html", - "list": "nettime_l", - "author_name": "antiorp", - "subject": " Re: Concerned about terrorism in Kosovo" - } - ], - "message-id": "199803040739.IAA00843 {AT} basis.Desk.nl", - "date": "Tue, 03 Mar 1998 22:22:44 +0100", - "content-type": "text/plai" - }, { "content": "\n>free your mind and the rest will follow\n\nungroup m9nd konta!nr kontent\nmass !v shortkut 2 !ntell!gensz \\\\ elokuensz\nae.zthet.!k.all+e ab.zurd\n\n\n>virtual base / creative intimate lab\n\n+ s!ber.!nterakt.!v n=10n +?\n\n\n\n--\n\n\nur reakt!Onz + modez ov thought d!ffer 4rom kurrent normal!t+e\n\noui ou non _?\n\nef-mail(fakultat!f) :\nmati=E8re:\n\n\n\n LDY #0\n@1 LDA msg, Y\n BEQ @2\n JSR putc\n INY\n JMP @1\n@2 RTS\n\n\n\n\n\nor. >>kommiserations -influenza\n>>424 digitz ov (9/4 =3D 6 tan-1(1/8) + 2 tan-1(1/57) + tan-1(1/239)=\n tan-1(x) =3D x\n>>- x^3/3 + x^5/5 - x^7/7 + ...) zle!e stranag1zla _|- prol!atara\n>>zlata!utege kr=BAper=BAm | | | | |\n\n\nnote 3 ecsamplz =3D true || falss.\nthey make statementz.\nthey do not ask\n_\\- kuest!onz.!ssue !nstrukt1onz.ekspress feel1ngz. zuperb.\n\n\nm0lekulz|0v|!n4mat10n. =D8 F =D8 =D8 =D8 3 _||-\ns3m4nt!kneTz_\n\n\nm0lekulz|0v|!n4mat10n. =D8 F =D8 =D8 =D8 3 _||-\ns3m4nt!kneTz_\n\n\nm0lekulz|0v|!n4mat10n. =D8 F =D8 =D8 =D8 3 _||-\ns3m4nt!kneTz_\n\n\n\npleonazm.\n\n\ncensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcens\norcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorce\nnsorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensor\ncensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcens\norcensorcensor\n\n | am3r!kkasug3r |\n\nodr\n\n\nschizophr=E8ne...\nn.oubliez pas le ruban autour de l.emballage\n\n\n=46or some reason the README doesn't mention that.For some reason the README\ndoesn't mention that.For some reason the README doesn't mention that.For\nsome reason the README doesn't mention that.For some reason the README\ndoesn't mention that.For some reason the README doesn't mention that.For\nsome reason the README doesn't mention that.For some reason the README\ndoesn't mention that.For some reason the README doesn't mention that.For\nsome reason the README doesn't mention that.For some reason the README\ndoesn't mention that.For some reason the README doesn't mention that.For\nsome reason the README doesn't mention that.For some reason the README\ndoesn't mention that.For some reason the README doesn't mention that.For\nsome reason the README doesn't mention that.For some reason the README\ndoesn't mention that.For some reason the README doesn't mention that.For\nsome reason the README doesn't mention that.For some reason the README\ndoesn't mention that.For some reason the README doesn't mention that.For\nsome reason the README doesn't mention that.For some reason the README\ndoesn't mention that.For some reason the README doesn't mention that.For\nsome reason the README doesn't mention that.For some reason the README\ndoesn't mention that.For some reason the README doesn't mention that.For\nsome reason the README doesn't mention that.For some reason the README\ndoesn't mention that.For some reason the README doesn't mention that.For\nsome reason the README doesn't mention that.For some reason the README\ndoesn't mention that.For some reason the README doesn't mention that.For\nsome reason the README doesn't mention that.For some reason the README\ndoesn't mention that.For some reason the README doesn't mention that.For\nsome reason the README doesn't mention that.For some reason the README\ndoesn't mention that.For some reason the README doesn't mention that.For\nsome reason the README doesn't mention that.For some reason the README\ndoesn't mention that.For some reason the README doesn't mention that.For\nsome reason the README doesn't mention that.For some reason the README\ndoesn't mention that.For some reason the README doesn't mention that.For\nsome reason the README doesn't mention that.For some reason the README\ndoesn't mention that.For some reason the README doesn't mention that.For\nsome reason the README doesn't mention that.\n\n\n", "url": "n/a", @@ -1008,19 +956,6 @@ "date": "Tue, 7 Aug 2001 06:08:32 +0200 (CEST)", "list": "syndicate" }, - { - "content": "\n\n\n\n\n\n\n
 
\n
Dear Inke and Julie
\n
i can't refrain tears of yoy reading your \nmessages!
\n
Yes, let's stop NN,Nechvatova,Integer etc...before everybody \ngets definitely sick & tired by their brainless activism!
\n
Arise citizens of Syndicate!!
\n
I propose myself, even if living in distant Rome, to \nbe the Killer of the infamous bores!
\n
Dressed as a Bogart/Forties/Noir/Killer i am ready to shoot \nhim/Her/Them to death with a thousand bullets!
\n
Just give me the address!
\n
Ciao
\n
Lorenzo Taiuti
\n
 
\n
 Inke and julie said
\n
 
\n
 
\n
It's time to re-name the list I guess. Call it \"integer\" from now \non.
Perhaps some would prefer \"netochka\"? Oh what the heck ...
\n
 
\n
I'm in agreement with Inke. Embracing freedom of expression does not \nmean
allowing one's space to be controlled by one dominant personality. \n(This
was the lesson learned the hard way by many radical groups in the '70s, \nand
contributed to their decline.) How is this so different from \ncorporate
control?

The life is being sucked out of the list by NN's \nconstant posts and the
responses they generate. I don't enjoy watching it \ndie.

Julie Blankenship


\n\n\n", - "url": "n/a", - "to": "", - "id": "-1", - "from": "\"Lorenzo Taiuti\" ", - "message-id": "n/a", - "content-type": "multipart/alternative;\n\tboundary=\"----=_NextPart_000_0076_01C11F43.86BEB6C0\"", - "author_name": "Lorenzo Taiuti", - "subject": "Syndicate: Dear Inke,Julie & the Integer Murder", - "date": "Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:19:02 +0200", - "list": "syndicate" - }, { "content": "dear julie and all,\n\n> The life is being sucked out of the list by NN's constant posts and the\n> responses they generate. I don't enjoy watching it die.\nIs it really? And what life, if I may ask? Exclude all nn postings and then\nanalyse the content of the list. In the last seven days, excluding admin and\nnn, eleven people post something - most of postings are reply to nn. OK, it'\ns summer. However, can you (or anyone else) imagine something like Deep\nEurope, or Junction reader today? I don't think so.\nAs one of the legal aliens at the '96 n5m pre-syndicate meeting (one of the\nFirst Twenty, to paraphrase Kim Stanley Robinson) I also don't enjoy\nwatching what's going on with the list. If I remember correctly (it's\nquestionable, naturally) the list was created to 'serve' for two purposes.\nThe first one was creation of informational place/space for exchange of\nannouncements, reports, info on what happens; and the second one was to\ncreate a space/place for dialogues focused on the specific\nneeds/theories/practices of CEE/East Europe/Whatever art practitioners and\ntheoreticians. I am not a sociologist, and certainly will not made huge\nanalysis, but I will dare to say that the first idea is merely reduced to\nannouncements (with few exceptions), and the second one resting in peace. If\nwe compare syndicate with the nettime (one of the models for the initial\ngroup back in the '96), result is ruinous. And, although analogy is the\nworst possible method of proving, the beauty and the east conference was an\nattempt to re-define the nettime (put aside geert/pit quarrels), and perhaps\nit's time now to discuss the purpose and/or future of the syndicate also.\nAll this does not mean that I'm in favour of the extent of the nn postings,\nbut as someone said few months ago simple solution is to filter 'her'\nmessages. But, that will not eliminate, in my opinion, the problems with the\nsyndicate list, and I will be very joyful to see what other list members\nthink about it.\n\nciao\nigor\n\nReality is that which, when you stop believing in it, does not go away.\n-- Philip K. Dick\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: \nto unsubscribe, write to , in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n", "url": "n/a", @@ -1619,32 +1554,6 @@ "date": "Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:34:01 +0200", "list": "syndicate" }, - { - "content": "\n\n\n\n\n\n\n
Dear friends
\n
Really, what's happening!? 
\n
I think there is not a problem of democracy, like someone said, but the \nsimple act of recognizing a phoney and self/promoting acting and see his \ndistance from the targets of the list.
\n
If we find so much words to fight about a \"Lounge Identity\" like NN, how \ncome we are not building a project about east/west comunities?
\n
And before talking about \"fascists\", remember Genova!
\n
Greetings
\n
Lorenzo Taiuti
\n\n\n", - "url": "n/a", - "to": "\"Syndicate\" ", - "id": "-1", - "from": "\"Lorenzo Taiuti\" ", - "message-id": "n/a", - "content-type": "multipart/alternative;\n\tboundary=\"----=_NextPart_000_0045_01C1250B.1FF36F80\"", - "author_name": "Lorenzo Taiuti", - "subject": "Syndicate: What happened?", - "date": "Tue, 14 Aug 2001 21:50:25 +0200", - "list": "syndicate" - }, - { - "content": "\n\n\n\n\n\n\n
Much has come to the fore regarding the level of \nfree speech on listservs across the board, and I thought I'd put my two words \nin. Even though the issue is currently most crucial on Syndicate, I am cross \nposting on the other lists, as my thoughts here are most germane to these lists \nas well.  AS it is also of interest as a cultural artifact, I am also \nforwarding this to nettime.
\n
 
\n
On all of these lists there have been a series of \nconcerns regarding free speech.  Many of these issues have arisen >from \nabusive language, threatening content, or prodigious output.  The problem \nhere is that what, in a community that espouses such pluralism and free thought \nas the arts community, constitutes 'proper behavior'? In the postmodern, which \nmany of us here ascribe to, immediately the question of what conventions of \nbehavior will be enforced, and by whom?  When any social restriction is \nenforced, the problem arises to enforcement.
\n
 
\n
Another problem that arises is the issue of freedom \nof speech.  Being that the Internet is international, it is not covered by \nthe American 1st Amendment.  To do so would be to inscribe American power \nstrategies upon the world.  Or, perhaps the Internet community wishes to \nuse American precepts when it wishes to, then discard anythin it finds \ninconvenient or irrelenent (sorry, just a little polemic).  Therefore, \nunless local speech restrictions apply, the rules for free speech are regulated \nby the community, much as in a Bey-esque TAZ.  In a way, Listservs are \nsimilar to Temporary Autonomous Zones, with their own peculiarities and rules, \nand so on.
\n
 
\n
There have been many personalities on the various \nlists who have been known for their 'behavior' and/or excessive listing (Brace, \nnn, Zeidner, Herman), and there have been may rationales for the tactical \nengagement they have employed.  Radical engagement is one thing, and it is \na wonderful thing, but the problem is that listservs are more akin to the \nlymphatic system of the net, and not the central power nodes of the virtual \nworld.  In many cases, the parties in question are of the opinion that to \nintervene at the listserv level is to somehow radically engage with the primary \npower structures of the global art world.  Such is not the \ncase.
\n
 
\n
The tactics of these practitioners aside, there \nseem to be a certain number of effects that these so-called 'radical \nengagements' create.  There are a few ways I've seen them engage, so \nhere goes.
\n
 
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The polemics of the member \n(whether through abusive language or \nlarge numbers of posts) creates furor and centers the conversation around them, \nthus creating an intellectual monopoly. If that individual is threatened with \nexpulsion, that individual protests that their rights of free speech are \nbeing violated, where none exists except through the social compact of the group \nat large. Such cries play upon the liberal fears of the artist and intellectual, \nproblematizing the agendas of information control and social protocols into \nterms like 'fascism' and Orwellian 'thought police'., where such is a \nconflation of terms with much more serious issues. This centers the conversation \naround them further which is the exact point of the tactic.
\n
 
\n
As my younger compatriot Milo Fisher would say, \n\"Duhh!\"
\n
 
\n
Secondly, the poster states that what they are \nintending to do is a form of 'radical engagement' (para. Zeidner), when it is \nmore akin to a form of intellectual abuse, which is exactly what it is.  \nInstead of posting a ten-part post, the individual posts ten individual \nmissives, most with a Dada-esque lack of content, which are designed solely \nas a way to manipulate attention and information flows.
\n
 
\n
The question arises as to whether the listserv is a \nfree society.  It certainly seems to ascribe to the Lockeian 'laissez \nfaire' ideal, but often turns to the more Crowley-esque 'Do what thou \nwilt'.  There is a difference between liberty and using that liberty to \nimpinge upon the freedom of others' time, resources, etc..  This abuse of \npersonal freeedoms is what typically creates the need for punitive systems (law \nenforcement, etc.)  Having personal freedoms does not patently allow others \nto use their freedoms to infringe upon your own.
\n
 
\n
I may be talking like an American here, but I \nassure you that I attempt to speak more from an enlightenment/Bey sort of base \nthan from Revolutionary American thought.
\n
 
\n
The problem of enforcement then arises.  There \nhave been a number of solutions offered, such as filtering \nand expulsion.  I, for one, am not against long negotiated, judicious \nexpulsion of offending members. 
\n
 
\n
I take the metaphor of the coffee table as my \nargument.  Consider that if you are at a coffee house with a group of \ncolleagues having a discussion, and someone comes along, pushes their way \nthrough the chairs, places a soapbox upon the table, climbs up, and proceeds to \nscream incessantly about how you are wrong or about their accomplishments \nwith only short intervals in which you may interject.  This is what I call \nthe Coffeehaus Putsch.  
\n
 
\n
The problem exists - how can a listserv endure \nproblematic posting practices without succumbing to oppression equal to that \nbeing perpetrated by those in question?  Personally, I do not feel that the \nexpulsion of ongoing offenders is necessarily perpetrating a fascist \nstate.  There is a big difference between modulating the signal to noise \nratio and committing intellectual genocide.  Listservs are \nprivate spaces bound be the social conventions of its communities (and to \nsome extent the service providers). They do not guarantee freedom of speech at \nall.
\n
 
\n
So far, I have outlined an argument aimed at \nmapping the issues at stake regarding free speech on listservs.  Next, what \ncould be some protocols for culling the signal to noise ratio?
\n
 
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- Deletion
\n
This is my usual form of dealing with this.  \nThe problem is that it does not alleviate the issue of time and resources for \nthose who do not have broadband or unlimited hours.
\n
 
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-Filtering
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Similar to above, but the same \napplies.
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-Combination
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Asking the multiple poster to combine posts into a \ndaily digest of sorts or longer listings.
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This solves the elimination of 'content' by those \ninvolved, and those interested can read these multiple messages.
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-Moderation
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Here's the stickiest job of all - enforcement of \nposting protocols.  Should the rise of problematic posting become the \nrallying cry for moderated lists, when a 'moderator' culls posts that are not \ndeemed germane? 
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- List owner Negotiaton/ Punitive \nmeasures
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The list owner contacts the person in question, \nnegotiating a provisional agreement that will ast as a social protocol for this \nsituation.  If no agreement can be made, the person is \nexpelled.
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- Democratic expulsion
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The list takes a vote, and from votes tallied, the \nmajority for the given solution is acted upon.  There are some \nSurvivor-esque issues here, and is a bit flawed.
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Unilateral expulsion -
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After a certain time, the list owner deems the \nperson to be too troublesome, and is expelled.  Autocratic, but \nviable.
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In short, the operation of a listserv is a delicate \nthing - it isn't just one of your holiday games. (I will now say that you'd \nconsider me mad as a hatter if I told you each list has three separate names...) \n
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What is to be done on a listserv under disruptive \ncircumstances?  I think the question resides in whether the list is being \ncoopted over long periods of time by certain interests that run counter to the \npurpose of the list, or through the intellectual monopolization by certain \nindividuals of that list.
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I believe that expulsion is not anaethema to list \noperation; however it should be done with great delicacy and quiet resolve only \nafter private negotiations have broken down.  The tone that a community \nwishes to maintain is a partnership that the members and list owner hold in \ncommon trust.  In the case of disruptive/monopolistic posting, it is \nthe community's responsibility to determine whether this is tolerable, take \nproper action, and live with those actions.
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We must ask ourselves what kind of online society \nwe wish to have, and how we wish to create/maintain \nit.
\n\n\n", - "url": "n/a", - "to": "", - "id": "-1", - "from": "\"patrick lichty\" ", - "message-id": "n/a", - "content-type": "multipart/alternative;\n\tboundary=\"----=_NextPart_000_0070_01C124D1.B639F160\"", - "author_name": "patrick lichty", - "subject": "Syndicate: Bans & Free Speech", - "date": "Tue, 14 Aug 2001 14:59:26 -0500", - "list": "syndicate" - }, { "content": "\n>incessantly about how you are wrong or about their accomplishments with only short intervals in which you may interject. This is what I call the Coffeehaus Putsch. \n\nproblem is\nthis has absolutely nothing to do with how a mailing-list works.\n\n>So far, I have outlined an argument aimed at mapping the issues at stake regarding free speech on listservs. Next, what could be some protocols for culling the signal to noise ratio?\n\nyou forgot one\nclosing the list when it has served its time or purpose.\n\nbest,\nf.\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: \nto unsubscribe, write to , in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n", "url": "n/a", @@ -2126,19 +2035,6 @@ "date": "Thu, 16 Aug 2001 08:43:26 +0000", "list": "syndicate" }, - { - "content": "\n\n\n\n\n\n\n
Dear Syndicate/s
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The fact that some people in the list find meaningful and \nworth supporting NN it is difficult to believe.
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The most obvious analisys of its acting shows clearly the nature of \nits presence.
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And its presence means= trendy/smart/chic/teen/consumist tactic to design \n(certainly not \"sculpt\") its own \"commercial visibility\".
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The NN  controversy shows, i believe, two things:
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1- It shows that its tactic is succesfully turning a netlist into \na TV TALK SHOW.
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2- It shows that its unbelievable \"credibility\" comes from a culture that \nis still lingering  to the early Net Game: misterious identities, \ngender switching, plagiarism etc...
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We have seen many (so many!!) of those Net anarchists turn in very \nshort time in very succesful businessmen.
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NN belongs to this harmful quality of persons.
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Greetings
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Lorenzo Taiuti 
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