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"desc": "(aka. antiorp, integer, =cw4t7abs, f1f0, 17.hzV.tRL.478, 0f0003)",
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"to": "nettime-l {AT} basis.Desk.nl",
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"date": "Tue, 03 Mar 1998 22:22:44 +0100",
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"url": "https://nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-9803/msg00010.html",
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"content": "\nMay be Andrej should take a look at:\n\nhttp://www.koha.net/ARTA/drenica.htm\n\nto see and read some other facts about what he is easely calling terrorism.\nKilling pregnant women, and in this way, is barbarism.\n\nRichard van den Brink\n =20\nDate: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 01:26:02 +0100\nFrom: ANDREJ TISMA <aart {AT} EUnet.yu>\nSubject: Re: Concerned about terrorism in Kosovo\nX-Priority: 3 (Normal)\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=3Diso-8859-1\nContent-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n\nOK Richard van den Brink,\n\nI've seen and read the report by Albanian secessionist magazine (all\narticles unsigned) which You have recommended to me.\nWell, first those photos. What do You think that Serbian four policemen\nwho were killed by Kosova Liberation Army looked less massacred than\nthese Albanians on photos?\nAlso these \"innocent unarmed civilians\" are now presented as members of\nparticular families, but when they go out armed with machine guns and\neven grenade launchers, in uniforms, with covered faces, than they call\nthemselves Kosova Liberation Army. Why did they find shelter in their\nfamily's homes, causing civilian victims, You should ask those brave\nmen.\nFinally, how can I believe to those reports You are recommending, when\nthere is \"Government of Republic of Kosova\" mentioned there,\n\"Republic\" which does not exist, maybe in separatists' dreams!\nCurrently on the map there is only Republic of Serbia, of which Kosova\nis only a province.\nWhat do You think, if this police attack on \"unarmed Albanian civilians\"\nlasted entire two days, isn't that strange that only 16 victims on\nAlbanian side are resulted. In two days policemen could kill at least\n2000 unarmed civilians.\nAlso even Albanian reports say there were heavy two days fightings. With\nwhom? With unarmed civilians? Don't be kidding.\n\nPlease, read carefully these quotations from Albanian separatist\nsources:\n>This could be considered as KLA's\n> operation to \"demonstrate force\" in order to boost the will of\nKosova >Albanians and force the Serbs to act.\n>Courageous tactic, militarily shrewd, since whatever the Serbs do, they\ncannot >win.\n>It was also said that the majority of the patients brought to the\nhospital were Serb >policemen, who have\n> run into resistance of the local population, but also, as it is\nstated, of the KLA >forces, in Drenic=EB.\n\nWho were policemen victims of? Unarmed innocent civilians?? Don't be, or\nplay naive.\nTerrorism has to be destroyed. There should be no sentimentality. What\ndid United States do in Los Angeles, when 500 black people were\nmassacred in one day by the Federal police? And what happened in Mexico\nto the separatist army? So be serious and don't support terrorism\nanywhere in the world.\n\n Andrej\n\n\n\n---\n# distributed via nettime-l : no commercial use without permission\n# <nettime> is a closed moderated mailinglist for net criticism,\n# collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets\n# more info: majordomo {AT} icf.de and \"info nettime\" in the msg body\n# URL: http://www.desk.nl/~nettime/ contact: nettime-owner {AT} icf.de\n\n",
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"author_name": "rvdbri",
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"message-id": "199803041234.NAA04374 {AT} basis.Desk.nl",
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"date": "Wed, 04 Mar 1998 10:03:32 +0100",
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"url": "https://nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-9803/msg00013.html",
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"content": "\nSubject:\n <nettime> Concerned about terrorism in Kosovo\n Date:\n Tue, 03 Mar 1998 21:10:49 +0100\n From:\n ANDREJ TISMA <aart {AT} EUnet.yu>\n To:\n Nettime <nettime-l {AT} Desk.nl>\n\n\ndear andrej,\n\nplease, please stop talk in name of all people who live in serbia! use I\ninstead of WE, because certanly not all people here think as you do. and\nif you want to play slobodan milosevic`s \"loud speaker\" it is your\nchoice, and you have right to think it that way as i have right to have\nmy personal oppinion, but then in your txt you can not use WE. have you\nbeen personaly at kosovo, saw demonstrations with your own eyes???? i\nwas not there and can not be so sure that all reports on serbian TV are\nthe only truth, there are two sides in conflict, as far as i know, and\nboth of those sides have some vision of the conflict. everything you\nwrote looks like typical SM propaganda, (in both meanings, slobodan\nmilosevic`s and sado/mazo), with \"one side\" story. the only certan truth\nis that no one of us, you and me, know what realy is the truth.\nshouldn`t we be more concerned about all human lifes lost in kosovo in\nlast decade in the first place, not last few months or weeks. i saw your\nnice letter to american president. when finaly you will write to\nyugoslav president?! don`t you really have nothing to say him?! when\nover 20 lifes have been lost in one weekend, i think it is not possible\nto separate them on \"good\" and \"bad\" dead people. they all were human\nbeings, and they are dead now, among them some under age, lot of them\nparents, on both sides. that`s what worries me all the time, and i see\nno way out of this mase without dialogue.i doubt very much that any\nsolution will be found with guns, on the both sides. so, please calm\ndown and think twice; it is well known for a loooong time that in this\ncountry the best keeped truth is the truth itself.\n\nbranka milicic-davic\n\nPS- should i remind you on the fact that we live in the very same town,\nwhere more than 20 nations live together, and some of our neighbours are\nalbanians, as well as jews, hungarians, romanian, slowaks, roma, croats,\nrussians, bulgarians.. . i wonder what they would have to say to your\nletter...\n\n---\n# distributed via nettime-l : no commercial use without permission\n# <nettime> is a closed moderated mailinglist for net criticism,\n# collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets\n# more info: majordomo {AT} icf.de and \"info nettime\" in the msg body\n# URL: http://www.desk.nl/~nettime/ contact: nettime-owner {AT} icf.de\n\n",
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"to": "nettime-l {AT} basis.Desk.nl",
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"from": "Aleksandar & Branka Davic <spiridon {AT} eunet.yu>",
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"author_name": "Aleksandar & Branka Davic",
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"subject": "<nettime> Re: Concerned about terrorism in Kosovo",
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"message-id": "199803041236.NAA04421 {AT} basis.Desk.nl",
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"date": "Wed, 04 Mar 1998 10:45:33 +0100",
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"url": "https://nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-9803/msg00015.html",
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"content": "\nAart wrote:\n\n\n>OK Richard van den Brink,\n>\n>I've seen and read the report by Albanian secessionist magazine (all\n>articles unsigned) which You have recommended to me.\n>Well, first those photos. What do You think that Serbian four policemen\n>who were killed by Kosova Liberation Army looked less massacred than\n>these Albanians on photos?\n\nNo reason trying to outbid with other pictures or facts. What is\ndisquieting me is that the nettime list is used for an outspoken political\npoint of (Servian) view on the conflict in Kosovo. For me it's ok that this\nkind of opinions are existing, but I don't need to read those on a list as\nnettime. In the same way I wouldn't propagandize to read information on\ncertain sites I was recommending as a kind of counter balance. \n\nIt would be possible to start a discussion about the Kosovo conflict here,\nbut I don't think its the propper place. Therefore I suggest - if I am\nright - to modorate the list in a better way.\n\n\nRichard\n\n---\n# distributed via nettime-l : no commercial use without permission\n# <nettime> is a closed moderated mailinglist for net criticism,\n# collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets\n# more info: majordomo {AT} icf.de and \"info nettime\" in the msg body\n# URL: http://www.desk.nl/~nettime/ contact: nettime-owner {AT} icf.de\n\n",
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"to": "nettime-l {AT} basis.Desk.nl",
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"from": "vdbri {AT} pi.net",
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"author_name": "rvdbri",
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"subject": "Re: <nettime> Re: Concerned about terrorism in Kosovo",
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"message-id": "199803082007.VAA30806 {AT} basis.Desk.nl",
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"date": "Sun, 8 Mar 1998 05:54:02 -0600",
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"url": "https://nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-9803/msg00042.html",
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"content": "\n>We in Yugoslavia are very concerned about the increasing of terrorist\n\nserb!an akt!v!t!ez.\n\n\nhttp://www.god-emil.dk/=cw4t7abs/0f0003/produkter/film+video.html\n\nkl!k 0\n\n\n\nam -3r! kk a 5 u g3 r _||-\n\n\n\n> Serb military and paramilitary forces attacked today 14 villages in Kosove.\n> 95++ d ea d.\n\n\n\nwww.albanian.com\nwww.koha.net\nwww.dardania.com\nwww.kosova.de\n\n\n---\n# distributed via nettime-l : no commercial use without permission\n# <nettime> is a closed moderated mailinglist for net criticism,\n# collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets\n# more info: majordomo {AT} icf.de and \"info nettime\" in the msg body\n# URL: http://www.desk.nl/~nettime/ contact: nettime-owner {AT} icf.de\n\n",
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"to": "nettime-l {AT} Desk.nl",
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"from": "antiorp {AT} tezcat.c",
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"author_name": "antiorp",
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"subject": "<nettime> Re: Concerned about terrorism in Kosovo",
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"list": "nettime_l",
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"message-id": "199803040739.IAA00843 {AT} basis.Desk.nl",
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"from": "vdbri {AT} pi.net",
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"subject": "<nettime> Re: Concerned about terrorism in Kosovo",
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"message-id": "199808150748.IAA17491 {AT} basis.Desk.nl",
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"date": "Fri, 14 Aug 1998 20:28:57 -0600",
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"url": "https://nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-9808/msg00039.html",
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"content": "\n>D igital p\n>R esistance \u0010\n>U nleashed z\n>G lobally and -\n>S imultaneously r\n>\n>At ARS ELECTRONICA make DRUGS\n>\n>\"Hey...pssst...do you have a m9nd konta!nr?\"\n>\n>DRUGS=WWI (World Wide Insurrection)\n\n!nd!v - dzat per4mz ne!dr !n gen !ntend 2\npurzue dze pub-l!k !nterezt n\u0010r = au.are ov fakt !t = purzu!ng\n= konduszd b! 1 tranzlusent hand k\u0010mp\u0010nent 2 purzue 1 end wh!ch !=\nam\u0010ng !tz !ntent!onz\n\n -_ = !ntent!onz + !ntent!onl b.hav!our\n _- un.!ntendd + una.uare.long term || k\u0010mplecz\n effekt emergez 4r\u0010m b.hav!our\n -_ != 1 effekt _ = 1 end\n - !tz or!entz + k\u0010ntr\u0010lz -\n\n>DRUGS is new code word for WWI.\n\nARS ELECTRONICA is new code word DRUGS is new code word 4 krapmaTTr\n\n ....\n k\u0010nnektdzegddmnd\u0010Tz\n \\+\\ am3r!kkazug3r\n\n>The FBI is worried about our use of DRUGS.\n\nour == FBI\n\n>DIGITAL RESISTANCE UNLEASHED GLOBALLY AND SIMULTANEOUSLY\n\n\nfukc(fr33l+e)\nsold worldwide\n\n\n\n\n ....\n k?nnektdzegddmnd?Tz\n \\+\\ am3r!kkazug3r\n \n---\n# distributed via nettime-l : no commercial use without permission\n# <nettime> is a closed moderated mailinglist for net criticism,\n# collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets\n# more info: majordomo {AT} desk.nl and \"info nettime-l\" in the msg body\n# URL: http://www.desk.nl/~nettime/ contact: nettime-owner {AT} desk.nl\n\n",
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"to": "\"nettime's_digestive_system\" <nettime-l {AT} Desk.nl>",
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"from": "antiorp {AT} tezcat.com (=cw4t7abs)",
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"author_name": "=cw4t7abs",
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"subject": "<nettime> Re: DRUG",
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"message-id": "199809190211.DAA21931 {AT} basis.Desk.nl",
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"date": "Fri, 18 Sep 1998 18:48:02 -0500 (CDT)",
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"url": "https://nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-9809/msg00071.html",
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"content": "\nsubject: Star-Ledger article about your Webpage\ncc:\nbcc:\nx-Attachments:\n\n>Hello!\n\nhallo.\n\n>I was referred to you by Carlton Wilkinson (he's a great admirer\n>of yours).\n\nblush.blush.\n\n> I am writing a story for The Star-Ledger's Spotlight section\n>about composers on the Web.\n\n>How did you showcase your work before the Website?\n\nfor the most part have not\n[age faktor]\n\n>How much time each week do you spend tinkering with the Site?\n\ngenerally a projekt is finalized within a month.\nactual `updates` are infrequent. as is also the case\nwith 0f0003 software internet projektz are presented\nin `final` form.\n\n\n>What did your first Website look like?\n\nresemblant of current manifestation.\nlistening to data ==\nmisuse\\deconstruction of netscape's vers.1.0.browser.\nmanipulation of html tags in order to deliver\nmultiple background animations \\ strobe effects,\nmultiple document titles for\nsubliminal\\machine-gun 7bit [ascii] oscillations.\n\ntechnology is the outer envelope ,\nthe concealment one must fragment\n[with ones own set of routines]\nso that one may access that which one is ultimately\nunable to fully disassemble. [i.e the source code often\nincorporates additional data presented to the inquisitive.\nmuch is inaccessible to the uninitiated, requiring\na certain degree of technological knowledge or\nat least savvyness to comprehend or even navigate]\n\nnumerous persons access the site repeatedly\nin order to progress through the preliminary stages.\nthis parallels the broad utilization of =cw4t7abs syntax\n[may access 0f0003 website for the =cw4t7abs enkoder v.0+2\nby antiorp or http://195.163.114.73/7-11/cw4t7abs.asp\nfor the =cw4t7abs emulator 2000 - programmed by - Tobias Galeus.\n<root {AT} distansskolan.com>]\nsince generally human machines [all that which is - is a machine]\naren't anticipating errors, browser deconstruction or\ndenials of service, incorporating these into the programming\ngenerates an element of intrigue, seduction and frustration.\nthe sum total == kaos or organized disorder if you will.\n[error is the mark of the higher organism]\nit presents an environment with which one is invited to interact\nor perhaps control.\n\n\nwhile interactive multimedia is a buzz[y] utterance\nin a capitalist society infatuated with excess, rapid access\nand the banal, 0f0003 invites the user to probe silently - deeply.\nrewards are seldom guaranteed - full understanding\nis relative and always incomplete.\n[only that which isn't understood is worth understanding]\nthe decision is relegated upon the external observer.\nthat which one discerns is resultant of one's own probe - beauty\nand meaning one extracts is ones own uncovering.\nit is a personal discovery never to be duplicated.\n\n[last phaze of beauty = beauty due2 error]\n\n\n> Is your work about the technology itself or is the Internet more of a\n> tool?\n>\n\nany metatheory is circular, and especially\nthat of computation and technology.\ntheories increase human understanding of,\nand systematize human knowledge of the subject matter.\n\nit is inevitable that work created with the use of\ntechnology is referent to the technology itself.\n\nlewis richardson :\n\"before we can attempt to measure anything we must have\na preliminary ideal of what we wish to measure - but it\nwould be most unwise to give that ideal one rigid definition\nat the outset, because the experience gained during the process\nof measurement should be allowed to react upon and refine the ideal\".\n\ncan the .net be a mere tool when it is the object, subject and\nreferent in itself +?\n\n[an event horizon or singularity is a point beyond which a\nvocabulary cannot penetrate.\ndata amounts equivalent to one person's lifetime experiences\nmay be downloaded in minutes. the planet as a whole disgorges\n1 trillion pieces of data per day.\nthe new forms of computation even create a sense of an end of\nall human creativity.\nthe first ultra intelligent machine is the last invention that\nman need ever produce. humans posses the choice to involve\nthemselves in this process or watch it happen]\n\nthe observer is an external observer.\ntechnology contains an internal relational system,\nits own 'society'. as users of technology humans can\naccept the relational character of every identity.\ntechnology is self-contained because it manages to be\nidentical to itself, as every nodal point is constituted\nwith an intertextuality that, unlike biostructures,\ndo not overflow it.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n|||0+2\n\n\n\n\nX-Attachments:\n\n>Hey, thanks for the interesting reply. I have a couple of follow-ups...\n\n\nhallo.\n+ pardon the delay.\nemail threats can refract one.s thought patterns.\n\nif interested in\nwriting \\ publishing an article on the topic of\nfascism + internet please inform.\n\n[reply : I wish I could get paid to write an article about fascism in the media,\nbut alas, this is a relatively harmless story about composers on the\nWeb. I want to include a couple of quotes from you to stir things up a\nbit. I hope big corporate interests aren't able to infiltrate the\nInternet, it is the ultimate embodiment of democracy and free speech\n\n\nqu!k re: s0ls0l. !nternet = embodiment of fasc!zm]\n\n\n>Does computer intellegence = creativity, emotion?\n\nanzwer 00 -\n\ncomputer intelligence is a set of complexity hierarchies. it is an\norganism of hardware and programming that holds a potential to\nexplore and develop higher levels of thought. computing machines\nprovide models and conceptual tools for the cognitive sciences\nwhich ultimately effect creative processes. the explicit logic of\ncomputing generates a discourse at the border of mind and matter\nand in doing so destabilizes the distinctions between the two, and\ncomputer intelligence and human intelligence are closely equated\ndue to the language game, rendering the discourse logocentric.\n\nanzwer 03 - from my earlier pozt .\n\n______________+000___\nthe event horizon...\n_____________________\n\nAn event horizon or singularity is a point beyond which a vocabulary cannot\npenetrate.\nThe new forms of autonomous computation even create a sense of an end of\nall human creativity.\nThe first ultra intelligent machine is the last invention that man need\never produce.\n\nHumans posses the choice to involve themselves in this process or watch it\nhappen. What little time is left in this century is rehearsal time for the\nprimary psychological responsibility of the 21st century:\nletting go. with dignity.\n\n\nPhilosopher Langer stated in the 1940s the need to break through the old\nsequential discursive mechanisms of thought: \"So long as we admit only\ndiscursive\nsymbolism as a bearer of ideas, thought in this restricted sense must be\nregarded\nas our only intellectual activity.\"\n\nElectronic circuits operating in parallel offer the epochal possibility of\na second intellectual activity, able to complement sequential thought and, for\nthe first time in history to go beyond its limits.\n\nIt is to destroy the tendency towards classical and neo-classical equilibrium\nand to create a new disequilibrium - to engage in the process of creative\ndestruction - this is the role of innovators in the bit society.\n\nHumans will be forced to add a plural form of the word intelligence\nbecause humans and computers will exhibit different forms of intelligences.\n\nChildren born today will grow up to live in a world where computers\noutnumber them;\nwhere bit evolution plays a prominent role;\nwhere thought no longer holds the exclusive franchise;\nand tasks that used to belong to human minds are reassigned to electronic\ncircuits then evolve into completely new forms\n\n\n>I'm curious about your gender/location/dayjob,\n\n\ngender - 0 | null pointer\nlocation - copenhagen.denmark.europe.\ndayjob - 0 | null pointer\n\n\ntzzt. antiorp.\n\n\n\n\n\n_+ zubzekuentl+e reduszd |2| [s0l.s0l. m3d!a.sug3r]\n\n\n\nAntiorp, a mysterious Danish composer whose sex - or even humanity - is\nunknown, promotes the\nidea that technology used to create art inevitably becomes the subject\nof the art itself.\nErrors, for example.\n\n'Generally, (people) aren't anticipating errors, browser deconstruction\nor denials of service,\"\nAntiorp writes. \"Incorporating these into programming generates an\nelement of intrigue,\nseduction and frustration. Error is the mark of the higher organism, and\nit presents an\nenvironment with which one is invited to interact or perhaps control.\"\n\nAntiorp is one of the stranger manifestations of cyber-culture. Its\ncompositions are collages\nof coded text,error messages that Fox-trot across the screen and\nassorted bleeps and buzzes. As\nto whether this comprises music, Antiorp evades the question.\n\n'Data amounts equivalent to one person's lifetime experiences can be\ndownloaded in minutes,\" it\nwrites. \"And more importantly, humans are very poor at updating what\nthey know because they\nhave no efficient delete key.\"\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n|||-||||||||||||||||||\n * ||||||||||||||||||||||||||| |||||||||||||||||| ||||||||||||\n|||||||||||||||||||||\n=cw4t7abs . 3nkod0r . verz!on 0+2\n!p address == 2o4.2o2.8o.o2o : doma!n == censored : port == 80 : 4rom ==\ncensored : agent == mozilla .5.o1 [macintosh : i : ppc]\n0f0003:m2sk!n3n:kunzt:m9ndfukc.98o.hTTp://194.19.130.194/=cw4t7abs\n\n\n\n6sEk.0n.-d snd b!tez.1-hundred hour.wars.\nhow does god solve differential equations\n\n\n_______________________________________+000___\ntime = parallel || bit evolution will come silently - in software\n_______________________________________+000___\n\n\n\nThe inert pages of this presentation will be incomprehensible to humans.\n\ndetr.end.aus.\nkonkluz!on ov -++++++_______________________________________+000___\n_______________________________________+000____________________\n\n=cw4t7abs. l!zten!ng 2 data\n\neverything\n\nhas\n\nbeen\n said\n provided words\ndo\n not\n change\n their\n meanings\n +\n meaningz\n their\nwords\n\n\n\n ! d t a g : 0 f0 0 03 [ = c w 4 t 7 a b s ]\n ! p : 204.242.80.020\n d a t u m : samstag 04 april 1998 - 22.44.37\n k o n t e n t . ! d : r e p l a s z : a l l e z\n||||||||||||||||||||||||-||||||:\n||||||||||||||| {AT} ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||.|||||||||\n ||||||||||||||||||-||||||:\n<||||||||||||||| {AT} ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||.|||||||||>\n|||-||||||||||||||||||: |||||||||||||||\n\n\n\n\n r e p l a s z : a l l e z\n||||||||||||||||||||||||-||||||:\n||||||||||||||| {AT} ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||.|||||||||\n||||||||||||||||||-||||||:\n<||||||||||||||| {AT} ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||.|||||||||>\n|||-||||||||||||||||||:\n||||||||||||||| {AT} |||||||||||||||||||||.||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||.|\n||||||||\n||||||||||||-|||||||||||||||||||||: 1.0\n||||||||||||: |||||||||, 4 ||||||||| 1998 10:35:25 -0400\n|||||||||||||||-||||||: |||||||||||| ||||||||||||\n<||||||||||||||| {AT} ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||.|||||||||>\n||||||||||||||||||: \"||||||||| |||||||||||| |||||||||||| ||||||\n||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||.|||||||||\"\n\n<||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||-|||||||||||||||||| {AT} |||||||||||||||||||\n|||||.||||||||||||||||||||||||.|||||||||>\n||||||||||||: |||||||||||| ||||||||||||\n<||||||||||||||| {AT} ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||.|||||||||>\n|||||||||||||||||||||: ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||\n|||||||||||||||||| ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||, |||||||||. 3, 1998\n||||||:\n||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||-|||||||||||||||||| {AT} ||||||||||||||||||||\n||||.||||||||||||||||||||||||.|||||||||\n\n****************** |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ||||||||||||||||||\n|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| *****************\n ||||||||||||||| 03, 1998\n ||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ||||||:\n\n+-----------------------------------------------------------------+\n| |||||||||||||||||| |||||||||||||||||| ||||||||||||||| + ||||||||||||\n|||||||||||| |||||||||||| ||||||||||||||||||||| ||||||\n|||||||||||||||||||||? 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If the decisive level of social\nanalysis is in language then this is highly indicative of the move of the\nhigher societies toward digitization. A collapse of unification through\nmultiplicity, KROP3ROM||A9FF is an exponent of opposing ideals, of\npostmodern artistic and political thought.\n\n\nKROP3ROM||A9FF is a language game. However the rules are either entirely\nnon-existent or require a constant updating of intellectual and social\nsystems knowledge. Most certainly, the positions of speaker (the music\nitself), the listener and referent of information (in this context\ninformation replaces the narrative element) create a relation of mutual\nexteriority. A cohesive communicative vehicle it is not, where as a form,\nor structure within which a communicative discourse can take place, it\nexcels if the listener is competent. This work is unavoidably incoherent to\nthe ill-informed.\n\n\nHere, the discursive temporality is circular, not linear like most\nscientific discourse, and like most complicated musical forms only upon\nrepeated listening is the information relayed with any clarity. In this\ncontext the work takes on credibility as a commentary on social forces (the\ndarker nature of much of its length suggests condemnation and support of\nfascist values) and scientific language (where it plays its own game - it\nis incapable, like science, of legitimizing other language games). The\nstatus of legitimization takes on two tendencies, each of which appear to\nextend in conflicting directions. First, it develops its own self\njustification with its internal imagery and compositional techniques of\nunification through thematic structures (rhythmically and referentially),\nconfirming its musical cohesion. Secondly, science (the science of computer\nmusic, of social commentary, of politics and economy) expands its relation\nto society, or the instrumentality of society. Computerization enables both\nthese opposing tendencies and Kroperom is circular in its internal\nreferentiality.\n\n\n\nThe theory of computerization has provided a model for the system control\nthat equates contingency with noise. The ideal: to eliminate contingency\nand maximize control by the system. The elimination of contingency here\npoints to the reprezentationality in KROP3ROM||A9FF of social currency.\nPerhaps most relevant is the appearance of a sample of the system control\nmachine Alpha60 from Godard's Alphville. The control of society by a\nmainframe computer and its inevitable faults made only apparent with the\narrival of a man from an outside 'democratic' society. Like the\nmultiplication of sites of power and resistance on the .net and currents in\nmodern politics and economic management, there seems an effort to\ncomplicate the social and extricate it from the theoretical clutches of\nanalytic and dialectic reason. KROP3ROM||A9FF redefines noise structure as\na locus of contingency, absence of subject and linguistic uncertainty.\n\n\n\nThis work exemplifies certain issues brought about due to the emergence of\ncomputerization. A powerful discourse in systems management, as complicated\nand formulaic as Hesse's Glass Bead Game, and probably as vague. Though it\nmay express the foundational theme: that our existence is becoming\nincreasingly characterized by machines, it challenges the instability of\ndigitization while remaining within the set itself. A degree in higher\nmathematics would be desirable to fully comprehend the chaotic structures\nof KROP3ROM||A9FF. The macro points to frameworks similar to fractal\npatterns, demonstrating order and presence of pattern in apparently\nirregular systems.\n\n\n\nIn KROP3ROM||A9FF there is no centered subject directing the listener\nthrough a narrative, more a multidimensional logic of deleuzian strata and\nassemblages, recalling the disfunctionality of concept and subject. Is\nKROP3ROM||A9FF the disciplined consciousness of a scientist or social\ntheorist? The highly developed non-linearity contextualizes the binary\nlogic of the current systems as weak, proclaiming an anti-authoritarian\nstance. 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"content": "\n>Newmedia {AT} aol.com\n\nslave\n\n>Folks:\n\nslave\n\n>What does the Internet do *to* us?\n\nslave\n\n>The medium *is* the message, afterall.\n>Media change us, right? Well, how does the Internet change us? Really?\n\nslave\n\n>Dr. Robert Kraut is apparently one of the few social psychologists\n>focussed on Internet issues.\n\nslave\n\n> He's at Carnegie Mellon in Pittsburgh\n>(longtime prime military research facility) and he had quite a few large\n>computer vendors signed up (like Intel, etc.) to fund the first major\n>study to gauge the social impact of Internet usage. He promised his\n>sponsors that he would answer these questions and find out what was\n>happening.\n>\n>The first phase of the study is out.\n\nslave\n\n\n> It's just what you would expect,\n\nslave\n\n>Internet users are, naturally, \"depressed.\"\n\nslave\n\n> It was front page NYTimes\n\nslave\n\n>yesterday (\"Sad, Lonely World Discovered in Cyberspace\", Amy Harmon). He\n>was on CNN this morning.\n\nslave\n\n\n>Dr. Kraut is suddenly a star.\n\n\nslave\n\n>Many more studies\n>will be funded. Whoppee!!\n\nslave +_ slave + slave + slave\n\njuzt\nl!ke u\n_+ u _+ u _+ u _+ u\n\n>I saw this one coming.\n\n& u will be funded.\n\n\n---\n# distributed via nettime-l : no commercial use without permission\n# <nettime> is a closed moderated mailinglist for net criticism,\n# collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets\n# more info: majordomo {AT} desk.nl and \"info nettime-l\" in the msg body\n# URL: http://www.desk.nl/~nettime/ contact: nettime-owner {AT} desk.nl\n\n",
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"content": "\n\nDavid Blair <blair@telepathic-movie.org> \n\n>and constant demands for attention by some machine,\n\nre: konztant kompla!n!ng 4rom var!ouz model z!t!zn robotz.\n\n\n\n\n\n\nNebula.M81\nAs the noise complement to Signwave Auto-Illustrator's signal, we picked Netochka\nNezvanova's \"Nebula.M81\". This program has been subject of our heated discussions \npro and contra, a fact we eventually found an important reason itself to shortlist it. \n\n\nzee. uant zom +?\n\n\nNebula is a web-based Macintosh user application\nthat, apart from that, defies an exact description: It is an aesthetic processor of html\ncode retrieved from arbitrary web sites which it turns into animated text, graphics and\nsound displays that can partly be influenced by user-triggered parameters. Nebula, along\nwith the extremist chic ASCII art communication of its author also known in the Net.art\ncommunity as antiorp, ranked highest on our scales of code as attitude.\n\n\nhttp://www.transmediale.de/01/en/s_juryStatement.htm\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nnn. printable\n\n\n MAKE SPASZ 4 DZE NEU GENERAZ!E!!!!!!\n\n\n http://www.eusocial.com/schone/neue/veLt\n http://www.eusocial.com/schone/neue/veLt\n http://www.eusocial.com/schone/neue/veLt\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\npzb. David Blair - please - stop emailing me yes.\n\n\n\n------Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\n Syndicate network for media culture and media art\n information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\n to unsubscribe, write to <syndicate-request@aec.at>\n in the body of the msg: unsubscribe your@email.adress\n",
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"content": "\n>free your mind and the rest will follow\n\nungroup m9nd konta!nr kontent\nmass !v shortkut 2 !ntell!gensz \\\\ elokuensz\nae.zthet.!k.all+e ab.zurd\n\n\n>virtual base / creative intimate lab\n\n+ s!ber.!nterakt.!v n=10n +?\n\n\n\n--\n\n\nur reakt!Onz + modez ov thought d!ffer 4rom kurrent normal!t+e\n\noui ou non _?\n\nef-mail(fakultat!f) :\nmati=E8re:\n\n\n\n LDY #0\n@1 LDA msg, Y\n BEQ @2\n JSR putc\n INY\n JMP @1\n@2 RTS\n\n\n\n\n\nor. >>kommiserations -influenza\n>>424 digitz ov (9/4 =3D 6 tan-1(1/8) + 2 tan-1(1/57) + tan-1(1/239)=\n tan-1(x) =3D x\n>>- x^3/3 + x^5/5 - x^7/7 + ...) zle!e stranag1zla _|- prol!atara\n>>zlata!utege kr=BAper=BAm | | | | |\n\n\nnote 3 ecsamplz =3D true || falss.\nthey make statementz.\nthey do not ask\n_\\- kuest!onz.!ssue !nstrukt1onz.ekspress feel1ngz. zuperb.\n\n\nm0lekulz|0v|!n4mat10n. =D8 F =D8 =D8 =D8 3 _||-\ns3m4nt!kneTz_\n\n\nm0lekulz|0v|!n4mat10n. =D8 F =D8 =D8 =D8 3 _||-\ns3m4nt!kneTz_\n\n\nm0lekulz|0v|!n4mat10n. =D8 F =D8 =D8 =D8 3 _||-\ns3m4nt!kneTz_\n\n\n\npleonazm.\n\n\ncensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcens\norcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorce\nnsorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensor\ncensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcensorcens\norcensorcensor\n\n | am3r!kkasug3r |\n\nodr\n\n\nschizophr=E8ne...\nn.oubliez pas le ruban autour de l.emballage\n\n\n=46or some reason the README doesn't mention that.For some reason the README\ndoesn't mention that.For some reason the README doesn't mention that.For\nsome reason the README doesn't mention that.For some reason the README\ndoesn't mention that.For some reason the README doesn't mention that.For\nsome reason the README doesn't mention that.For some reason the README\ndoesn't mention that.For some reason the README doesn't mention that.For\nsome reason the README doesn't mention that.For some reason the README\ndoesn't mention that.For some reason the README doesn't mention that.For\nsome reason the README doesn't mention that.For some reason the README\ndoesn't mention that.For some reason the README doesn't mention that.For\nsome reason the README doesn't mention that.For some reason the README\ndoesn't mention that.For some reason the README doesn't mention that.For\nsome reason the README doesn't mention that.For some reason the README\ndoesn't mention that.For some reason the README doesn't mention that.For\nsome reason the README doesn't mention that.For some reason the README\ndoesn't mention that.For some reason the README doesn't mention that.For\nsome reason the README doesn't mention that.For some reason the README\ndoesn't mention that.For some reason the README doesn't mention that.For\nsome reason the README doesn't mention that.For some reason the README\ndoesn't mention that.For some reason the README doesn't mention that.For\nsome reason the README doesn't mention that.For some reason the README\ndoesn't mention that.For some reason the README doesn't mention that.For\nsome reason the README doesn't mention that.For some reason the README\ndoesn't mention that.For some reason the README doesn't mention that.For\nsome reason the README doesn't mention that.For some reason the README\ndoesn't mention that.For some reason the README doesn't mention that.For\nsome reason the README doesn't mention that.For some reason the README\ndoesn't mention that.For some reason the README doesn't mention that.For\nsome reason the README doesn't mention that.For some reason the README\ndoesn't mention that.For some reason the README doesn't mention that.For\nsome reason the README doesn't mention that.For some reason the README\ndoesn't mention that.For some reason the README doesn't mention that.For\nsome reason the README doesn't mention that.\n\n\n",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: 1.2.3. = 0+2",
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"date": "Thu, 13 Aug 1998 03:57:10 -0600",
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"content": "ur $obj = \"'----':obj{want:type(euMF), \" .\n \"from:null(), form:enum(na_me), seld:teczt(\\@)}\";\ndo_event(qw/core cnte CSOm/, \"$obj, kocl:type(euMB)\", '');\n\n\n\n\n|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||\n0f0003 m2sk!n3nkunzt. m9ndfukc.macht.fre!\n|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||\n\n\nkeyboard magazine - january 98\n\nkr0p3r0m\n\na9ff\n\n\nThe CD player says there are 97 tracks on the disc, and your ears are\nassaulted by this fantastic variety of rude electronic noise, so you think\nat first maybe it's a sampling CD, but it's not. It's just part of the\nenigma promulgated by the band; from the sleeve, you'd think maybe their\nname is kontEnt:id !=, or maybe +/-hekx|dAmage.gRi...D. I tried their web\nsite (www.tezcat.com/~antiorp) hoping to elicit some hard facts, but the\nsite is straight out of Count Zero; you can only experience it, not\nunderstand it. I finally got the band name from the record company site.\nAbout the record: Once in a while you have the hallucination that there\nare remnants of tunes buried amid the sampled radio voices, oscillator\nwhickering, pitch-mangled fuzz guitar divebombs, and flying snare flams.\nBut probably not. After a few years getting synth-and-sampler CDs in the\nmail, I thought I'd heard everything, but I've never heard anything like\nthis. -Jim Aikin\n\n\n\n\n\n__....- krop3rom||a9ff 0+2\n- repressing began 8.8.98\n\n\n-\ndecibel records continues to market\nunauthorized copies of krop3rom||a9ff\nto combat this and other amusing attempts\nat eloquence - krop3rom||a9ff 0+2 will be released.\n\n-\n- repressing began 8.8.98\n-\n\nkrop3rom||a9ff 0+2 contains additional material by :\nthe hafler trio \\+\\ sine.x(2^n)\n\n-\n-\n-\n\n50 kontributions have been made \\ sekured\nhowever due to higher than anticipated costs\n15 additional contributions at $35 for 10cds\nare being accepted\n",
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"subject": "Syndicate: krop3rom||a9ff 0+2. anti decibel rout!n . update ",
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"date": "Sat, 15 Aug 1998 10:00:47 -0600",
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"content": "\n50 kontributions have been made \\ sekured\nhowever due to higher than anticipated costs\n15 additional contributions at $35 for 10cds\nare being accepted\n",
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"subject": "Syndicate: krop3rom||a9ff 0+2. update || part 0+2 phpz",
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"date": "Sat, 15 Aug 1998 13:12:09 -0600",
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"content": ">[from RHIZOME]\n>\n>5.\n>\n>Date: 8.14.98\n>From: Joseph Nechvatal (jnech@hotmail.com)\n>Subject: MAID IN CYBERSPACE--ENCORE!\n\n1 zecz!zt name tag\n\nres!zt + pro.tezt\ndze !d!oss+e ov humanz\n\n0f0003.m2zk!n3nkunzt.anti.human.krapmattr.\n\n\n",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: women's net art competition",
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"date": "Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:17:12 -0600",
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"content": ">X-From_: owner-synth-l@AMERICAN.EDU Tue Aug 18 16:09:07 1998\n>MIME-Version: 1.0\n>X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3)\n>Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:15:54 -0500\n>Reply-To: \"Electronic music \\\"gearhead\\\" list\" <SYNTH-L@AMERICAN.EDU>\n>Sender: \"Electronic music \\\"gearhead\\\" list\" <SYNTH-L@AMERICAN.EDU>\n>From: \"Rossi III, John CDR\" <P00H3@BUPERS.NAVY.MIL>\n>Subject: He's back, I'm gone\n>To: SYNTH-L@AMERICAN.EDU\n>\n>Just so that the list is aware, I am again leaving the synth-l list. I can\n>not, and will not, deal with those absurd antiorp messages. If anybody\n>needs to get in touch, I will be at the bupers address for at least another\n>year. Good bye again.\n>\n>John 3 - the US.armed forces\n\n\n\n |\nanti.ana.log.b\u0010\u0010m . r3zk\u0010m .\n |\n\n\n\n\nX-From_: owner-synth-l@AMERICAN.EDU Tue Aug 18 21:31:55 1998\nMime-Version: 1.0\nX-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18\nDate: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:19:54 EDT\nReply-To: \"Electronic music \\\"gearhead\\\" list\" <SYNTH-L@AMERICAN.EDU>\nSender: \"Electronic music \\\"gearhead\\\" list\" <SYNTH-L@AMERICAN.EDU>\nFrom: Tristar77@AOL.COM\nSubject: Re: He's back, I'm gone\nComments: To: P00H3@BUPERS.NAVY.MIL\nTo: SYNTH-L@AMERICAN.EDU\n\nWhy get upset at some retarded Juvinile --\nU should have sympathy --- But i feel just like u John --- what an ass he must\nbe --\nMaybe ill leave too --- but lets u and me keep in touch\n\n\n\n\nX-From_: fmsci@email.msn.com Tue Aug 18 20:52:09 1998\nFrom: \"[.v/jek.]\" <fmsci@email.msn.com>\nTo: <antiorp@TEZCAT.COM>\nSubject: Re: Re: He's back, I'm gone\nDate: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:54:44 -0400\nX-Priority: 3\nX-MSMail-Priority: Normal\nX-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4\nX-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4\n\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: =cw4t7abs <antiorp@TEZCAT.COM>\nTo: SYNTH-L@AMERICAN.EDU <SYNTH-L@AMERICAN.EDU>\nDate: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 6:26 PM\nSubject: Re: He's back, I'm gone\n\n\n>>Just so that the list is aware, I am again leaving the synth-l list. I\ncan\n>>not, and will not, deal with those absurd antiorp messages.\n\n\nYour fucking beautiful ;)...\n\nI want to hear your trax... where can I locate a CD\n(label?...) ... do you press to vinyl?\n\ntata,\n\no0o[qiB.]o0o\n\nlouis and bebe barron would be proud ;)..\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nX-From_: owner-EMUSIC-L@AMERICAN.EDU Tue Aug 18 20:15:16 1998\nDate: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:08:42 -0400\nFrom: \"L-Soft list server at AMERICAN.EDU (1.8c)\"\n <LISTSERV@AMERICAN.EDU>\nSubject: Change in your subscription options for the EMUSIC-L list\nTo: antiorp@TEZCAT.COM\nReply-To: EMUSIC-L-request@AMERICAN.EDU\nX-LSV-ListID: EMUSIC-L\n\nTue, 18 Aug 1998 21:08:42\n\nmcmahon@CLARK.NET has just altered your subscription options for the\nEMUSIC-L list as per the \"SET EMUSIC-L REVIEW\" command. For more\ninformation about subscription options, send a \"QUERY EMUSIC-L\" command\nto LISTSERV@AMERICAN.EDU.\n\n\n\n\nX-From_: owner-SYNTH-L@AMERICAN.EDU Tue Aug 18 20:12:37 1998\nDate: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:25:40 -0400\nFrom: \"L-Soft list server at AMERICAN.EDU (1.8c)\"\n <LISTSERV@AMERICAN.EDU>\nSubject: Change in your subscription options for the SYNTH-L list\nTo: antiorp@TEZCAT.COM\nReply-To: SYNTH-L-request@AMERICAN.EDU\nX-LSV-ListID: SYNTH-L\n\nTue, 18 Aug 1998 19:25:39\n\nmcmahon@CLARK.NET has just altered your subscription options for the\nSYNTH-L list as per the \"SET SYNTH-L REVIEW\" command. For more\ninformation about subscription options, send a \"QUERY SYNTH-L\" command to\nLISTSERV@AMERICAN.EDU.\n\n\n\nd-la!d\n\nre:akt\n\n! \u0010 n\n\n\n\nQty Prod Title Year Format Status Amount\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n 1 33400 Six In Paris 1965 For Rent Shipped 0.00\n 1 62775 Wild Strawberries 1959 For Rent Shipped 0.00\n 1 28095 Persona 1966 For Rent Shipped 0.00\n 1 59087 Seventh Seal, The 1956 For Rent Shipped 0.00\n 1 15990 Godard/Truffaut Shorts (Subtit 1957 For Rent Shipped 0.00\n 1 26533 Mirror, The (Film Forum) 1975 For Rent Shipped 0.00\n 1 84272 After The Rehearsal 1984 For Rent Shipped 0.00\n 1 17542 From the Life of the Marionett 1980 For Rent Shipped 0.00\n 1 28655 Pierrot Le Fou 1965 For Rent Shipped 0.00\n 1 26533 Mirror, The (Film Forum) 1975 For Rent Shipped 0.00\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n Subtotal 0.00\n Tax 0.00\nThis is not an invoice. It is an atomic statement only. Shipping 0.00\nPaid in full by mind data. Gift Cert. 0.00\n Total 0.00\n\n\n\n> > bach 4 u.\n> >\n> > 2-part !nvent!onz\n> >\n> > 2-part m9ndfukc\n\n take 1 !dea + spl!t !n2 12 partz + az!gn no.1 - 12\ntake severl ov ur fav. mathmatkl ekuat!onz +\nappl! strukturl kontent 2 ur ass!gnd ideaz.\n\n!nterpolate :\n\n 1 | 10 | 7 | 9 | 2 | 8 | 4 | 6 | 5 | 3 | 12 | 11\n\n+ retrograde\n\n11 | 12 | 3 | 5 | 6 | 4 | 8 | 2 | 9 | 7 | 10 | 1\n\n+ retrograde !nvertd\n\n2 | 1 | 10 | 8 | 7 | 9 | 5 | 11 | 4 | 6 | 3 | 12\n\n+ !nvertd retrograde\n\n12 | 3 | 6 | 4 | 11 | 5 | 9 | 7 | 8 | 10 | 1 | 2\n\njetzt: appl! an+e ser!al theorom dzat w!ll rezult !n kaot!k-\nstruktur\n\n!nvert + stretch 2 3.76 dze length.\nplass undrneath odr struktur\n+ at 96.45% t!me.po!nt beg!n retrograde\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n>||\n>2s\u00e2\u0080\u0093\u00e2\u0080\u0093n.mask!nvare.puNkt.pr\u00c3\u00b8t\u00c2\u00bat\u00c3\u00b8l.988-0\n>||\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n> >---------------------------------------------------------\n> >A E C F O R U M - \"F L E S H F A C T O R\"\n> >(http://www.aec.at/fleshfactor/arch/)\n> >---------------------------------------------------------\n> >\n> >\n> >\"All that is not information, not redundancy, not form and not restraints\n> >is noise, the only possible source of new patterns.\"\n> >\n> > - Bateson, Mind and Nature - A Necessary Unity, 1979\n> >\n>\n>\n> >It seems to me that noise, *together with* information, redundancy, form,\n> >and restraints, is a better generator of new patterns than noise alone.\n>\n>\n>\n> eo d roa\n> r n ete\n> e i ham\n> tc M tr\n> lone. or ee\"\n> , form, nu , gne\n> o n oen\n> o tgo\n> y, 1979 s * l\n> e ra\n> t ,e tpecnoc eht fI(\n> traints a ete ,stniartser dna\n> B sts em ot smees tI\n> iei\n> - obo\n> n n\n> a\"\n> ns anything.) t o eht ,esion si\n> r of new patterns th asf on si taht llA\"\n> with* information, hio\n> t\n>\n> and Nature - A Nece\n>\n> f new patterns.\"\n> dundancy, not form a\n>\n>\n> what happnz when\n> pre.konssept!\u00c2\u00afn meeTz ver!f1kat!\u00c2\u00afn.\n>\n>\n> >(If the concept of \"noise alone\" means anything.)\n>\n>\n> !t takex an !nfinite amounT ov pak.cag!ng.2.store noth!ng.\n>\n>\n>\n> o ur b od!\n>\n> ez ar e\n> n.t\n> !mp 0r t4\n>\n> nt.\n> d k- ad.\n>\n> !zt null\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n> |\u007f\u007f|\n> |\u007f\u007f==\u007f\u007f|\n> v ! R u s |\u007f\u007f| p u N K t\n>\n>\n>\n> s y m m e t r +3 [k 0 r ; u p t -1 p n\n>\n>\n\n\n\n",
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"subject": "Syndicate: log.b\u0010\u0010m . r3zk\u0010m .log.b\u0010\u0010m . r3zk\u0010m .log.b\u0010\u0010m . r3zk\u0010m .log.b\u0010\u0010m . r3zk\u0010m .log.b\u0010\u0010m . r3zk\u0010m .log.b\u0010\u0010m . r3zk\u0010m .log.b\u0010\u0010m . r3zk\u0010m .log.b\u0010\u0010m . r3zk\u0010m .log.b\u0010\u0010m . r3zk\u0010m .log.b\u0010\u0010m . r3zk\u0010m .log.b\u0010\u0010m . r3zk\u0010m .log.b\u0010\u0010m . r3zk\u0010m .log.b\u0010\u0010m . r3zk\u0010m .log.b\u0010\u0010m . r3zk\u0010m .log.b\u0010\u0010m . r3zk\u0010m .log.b\u0010\u0010m . r3zk\u0010m . ",
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"date": "Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:03:25 -0600",
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"content": ">X-From_: abroeck@v2.nl Wed Aug 19 03:39:47 1998\n>X-Sender: mikro@pop3.vr.in-berlin.de\n>Mime-Version: 1.0\n>Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:41:29 +0100\n>To: antiorp@tezcat.com\n>From: Andreas Broeckmann <abroeck@v2.nl>\n>Subject: =cw4t7abs\n>\n>is this stupidity or hyperbole?\n>oh sorry, it must be art then.\n>\n>get some sleep, man!\n>\n>last orders ...\n>\n\n>\n>X-From_: abroeck@v2.nl Wed Aug 19 03:39:47 1998\n>X-Sender: mikro@pop3.vr.in-berlin.de\n>Mime-Version: 1.0\n>Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:41:29 +0100\n>To: antiorp@tezcat.com\n>From: Andreas Broeckmann <abroeck@v2.nl>\n>Subject: =cw4t7abs\n>\n>is this stupidity or hyperbole?\n>oh sorry, it must be art then.\n>\n>get some sleep, man!\n>\n>last orders ...\n>\n\n\n",
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"subject": "Syndicate: Cc: syndicate@aec.at, nettime-l@desk.nl, XCHANGE@re-lab.net, infowar-en@aec.at",
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"date": "Wed, 19 Aug 1998 04:30:25 -0600",
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"content": "At 02:52 19/08/98 -0600, =cw4t7abs wrote:\n> \\ / _ _ / / _ _ / \\\n> \\ / _ _ / \\ : : / / / / : /\n> \\ : \\ _ _ \\ \\ : \\ / : / / / / : /\n> \\ : : / _ _ / \\ : \\ \\ : \\ _ _ \\ / / : : \\\n> / \\ / : / / \\ : \\ \\ : \\ \\ / _ _ / / : / \\ : \\ _ _ /\n> _ _ / : / \\ / _ _ / / \\ \\ : \\ \\ \\ _ _ \\ _ _ \\ : \\ \\ : \\ / :\n> / : : \\ _ _ \\ _ \\ : \\ ~ \\ \\ \\ \\ \\ : \\ ~ \\ : : /\n> \\ : \\ \\ / : / \\ \\ \\ \\ \\ : \\ / : /\n> / \\ \\ / : : \\ \\ \\ \\ : : /\n> _ _ _ / \\ \\ \\ \\ /\n\nhow much for the goldfish in the middle ?\n\nf.\nhttp://pleine-peau.com\n",
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"from": "Frederic Madre <fmadre@wanadoo.fr>",
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"id": "<3.0.5.32.19980819121825.007df690@pop.wanadoo.fr>",
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"author_name": "Frederic Madre",
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"subject": "Syndicate: e-commerce (was: krapmatter*6)",
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"date": "Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:18:25 +0200",
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"content": ">X-From_: abroeck@v2.nl Wed Aug 19 02:04:39 1998\n>X-Sender: mikro@pop3.vr.in-berlin.de\n>Mime-Version: 1.0\n>Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:44:31 +0100\n>To: antiorp@tezcat.com (=cw4t7abs)\n>From: Andreas Broeckmann <abroeck@v2.nl>\n>Subject: Re: Syndicate=cw4t7abs?\n>\n>hi,\n\n lo.\n\n>if you go on like this, commenting on everything in a way which for you is\n>normal but which is gibberish for most others you will force us to turn on\n>the moderation button and filter this stuff out.\n>cc's to syndicate AND\n>xchange AND nettime are always suspicious.\n\nAND gate - out:put = boolean produkt ov !nput\nmult!pl !nputz = perm!td 2 AND gatez.\n\n>xchange AND nettime are always suspicious.\n\n\nall d!g!tl pdeztr!anz = zusp!sc!ouz\n\n\n>: go 7-11.\n\n\nz 3 n z \u0010 r . ! v = w ! s h . k \u0010u l d ka\n re <\n\n\n> this list deserves a\n>fairer treatment than you are giving it.\n\n>-a\n\n>-a\n\n\n\n |\n | |\nK\u0010nsume M\u0010re P\u0010rk\n | |\n |\nK\u0010nsume M\u0010re 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"id": "<199808190739.CAA05852@huitzilo.tezcat.com>",
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"subject": "Syndicate: | | | K\u0010nsume M\u0010re P\u0010rk | | | K\u0010nsume M\u0010re P\u0010rk | | | | | | K\u0010nsume M\u0010re P\u0010rk | | | K\u0010nsume M\u0010re P\u0010rk | | | | | | K\u0010nsume M\u0010re P\u0010rk | | | K\u0010nsume M\u0010re P\u0010rk | | | | | | K\u0010nsume M\u0010re P\u0010rk | | | K\u0010nsume M\u0010re P\u0010rk | | |",
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"date": "Wed, 19 Aug 1998 02:52:47 -0600",
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"content": ">II. Cinema\n>\n>Printed word tradition which has initially dominated the language of\n>cultural interfaces, is becoming less important, while the part played by\n>cinematic elements is getting progressively stronger. This is consistent\n>with a general trend in modern society towards presenting more and\n>more information in the form of time-based audio-visual moving\n>image sequences, rather than as text. As new generations of both\n>computer users and computer designers are growing up in a media-\n>rich environment dominated by television rather than by printed texts,\n>it is not surprising that they favor cinematic language over the\n>language of print.\n\n\n > l k\n e n t\n\n http://www.god-emil.dk/=cw4t7abs/0f0003/ztpd/=cw4t7abs.3nkod0r..0+2.html\n\n\n\n\n\n> The original Esperanto never became truly popular. But cultural\n>interfaces are widely used and are easily learned.\n\n\n shortkut 2 error \\+\\\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n ! d t a g : 0 f0 0 03 [ = c w 4 t 7 a b s ]\n ! p : 204.242.80.020\n d a t u m : samstag 04 april 1998 - 22.44.37\n k o n t e n t . ! d : r e p l a s z : a l l e z\n h T T p : //194.19.130.194/=cw4t7abs/\n\n\n",
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"id": "<199808190926.EAA07705@huitzilo.tezcat.com>",
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"author_name": "=cw4t7abs",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: A l!e OF CULTURAL 0+2",
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"date": "Wed, 19 Aug 1998 04:39:35 -0600",
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"content": ">III. Human-Computer Interface\n>\n>The development of human-computer interfaces, until recently, had\n>little to do with cultural applications. Following some of the main\n>applications from the 1940's until the early 1980's, when the current\n>generation of GUI (Graphic User Interface) was developed and reached\n>the mass market together with the rise of a PC (personal computer), we\n>can list the most significant: real-time control of weapons and weapon\n>systems; scientific simulation; computer-aided design; finally, office\n>work with a secretary as a prototypical computer user, filing documents\n>in a folder, emptying a trash can, creating and editing documents\n>(\"word processing\"). d, etc.\n or head-\n\n\n== addtl lo.tekk pozer mattr\n\nc ub!ku!touz komput!ng + xerox park\n\n+ !nvert m9ndkonta!nr\n\n\n\\\\ humanzukc ++\n\n\n.edu == .krapmattr\n\nhumanz = _\n komputat!onall+e def!c!ent \\+\\ sub.opt!mal\n - ztat!ond at 1 local m!n!ma.\n -\n\n\n\\\\ humanzukc ++\n\n\n\n\n\n\n ! d t a g : 0 f0 0 03 [ = c w 4 t 7 a b s ]\n ! p : 204.242.80.020\n d a t u m : samstag 04 april 1998 - 22.44.37\n k o n t e n t . ! d : r e p l a s z : a l l e z\n h T T p : //194.19.130.194/=cw4t7abs/\n\n\n",
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"id": "<199808190938.EAA07944@huitzilo.tezcat.com>",
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"author_name": "=cw4t7abs",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: m!z!nformat!on OF CULTURAL INTERFACES 3/3",
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"date": "Wed, 19 Aug 1998 04:51:24 -0600",
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"content": "Yesterday evening i have a drink with antiorp and andrej in paris in a bar\nnear frederic's zac99. Andrej is not a soo bad guy you know, cause it's\nalways him who pay. antiorp is a babe with so big boobs she couldn't type\nwithout mammart! wa!s, and she said she was fired here cause she just said\nandreas couldn't make even one arty things with his ass. anyway i am not\nhere for making trouble, the net is a great famill!, but. But at a time\nwc+ said to andrej 'hey andrej, imagine, just imagine, but could you\nimagine something.. tried anyway : andrej, tried to imagine.. gert and ted\nentering in this bar, and then andrej, would you imagine you paying their\nvervain ?' and then, i sew andrej to say in making a bizarre expression\n'you know baby, if ted and gert enter righ away in this bar, it would be\njust as in syndicate mailing list, no question of imagination blabla, it\nwould be just gert and ted have followed me as far frederics'99 just i\npaid them a drink, otherwise really, you would have to have biggest boobs\nthan andreas has his ass for understanding that, get it baby ?'\n\n------Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\n Syndicate network for media culture and media art\n information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\n to unsubscribe, write to <syndicate-request@aec.at>\n in the body of the msg: unsubscribe your@email.adress\n\n\n",
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"message-id": "008001bf1b3a$a3a1b440$27598aa4@wanadoo.fr",
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"author_name": "porculus",
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"date": "Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:34:36 +0200",
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"list": "syndicate",
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"subject": "yndicate: wc+, andrej , gert, ted, & mes funerailles",
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"from": "\"porculus\" <porculus@wanadoo.fr>",
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"id": "00106",
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"url": "https://nettime.org/Lists-Archives/syndicate-9910/msg00106.html"
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"content": ">From: integer@www.god-emil.dk\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n> >so it seems that both your sites are accessible again. i'm really \n> >glad to see that. but could you tell us what happened? how much have \n> >you been able to find out why they weren't accessible yesterday?\n> >thanks\n> >rene\n>\n>hallo dear.\n>\n>what took place is what have stated several times prior.\n>memocide / murder. http://www.m9ndfukc.org/konkurs/00.html\n>\n>and this is the murderer : t byfield <tbyfield@panix.com>\n>i.e \n>\n>- nettime / thing.net have shut down\n>\n>www.god-emil.dk \n>www.m9ndfukc.org and \n>the domain for a children's rhinoblastoma - cancer institute \n>\n>\n>\n>-\n>et apropos what tb refers to below.\n>t byfield has approx 2 years prior \n>sent me 500 pornografik emails \n>via netcom.com [which was not his isp]\n>because i refused to comply with \n>his fascist request that i type in english.\n>after the attack i have informed netcom.com\n>\n>\n>however - one must not conclude the shutting down of\n>\n>www.god-emil.dk \n>www.m9ndfukc.org and \n>the domain for a children's rhinoblastoma - cancer institute \n>\n>is related to.\n>the impetus for nettime's action has been as has been always. \n>\n>incompetent male fascists find it ganz dificil to ingest fakt\n>one 22 year old woman - alone - can outperform\n>entire korporat fascist \\ male fascist konglomerats\n>funded via stolen kasch data.\n>\n>\n>-\n>what tb refers to as spam below\n>are in fact my emails to nettime-l\n>which generally are much more intelligent\n>than any addtl life forms' slavish regurgitation.\n>\n>as may be noticed from transmission below\n>tb has committed `the 500 pornografik emails action` again\n>by spamming the .dk gateway.\n>\n>have yesterday wired 10,000 usd to selekt life forms\n>who will be investigating the matter - as well\n>as setting up the infrastructure to expose + dispose of\n>the attack spammers - !.e ted byfield \\ nettime-l\n>\n>\n>we are all connected to backbones.\n>\n>sensible + flexible \n>\n>\n>et\n>b!enzur ultra detachable\n>\n>\n>if sufficient kasch data is \n>poured into one's desire\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>-\n>at this time the www.god-emil.dk mail server is a bit defektive still.\n>other life forms are looking into the problem.\n>\n>personally am corresponding with selekt life forms\n>regarding the tbyfield \\ nettime attack on above mentioned domains\n>consuming massively parallel virtual environments - 1 book\n>much kaffe + smiling at the idiocy of neo nazi marionettes - !.e.\n>\n>any insect is well aware shutting\n>down several life forms' life for 3 days\n>isn't worth the elongated aftermath.\n>\n>\n>\n>-\n>as typedmess is still down one may wish to\n>subscribe to palais-tokyo-list@pleine-peau.com\n>which is a very lovely list - ultra uncensored.\n>to do so may transmit one email to\n>\n>palais-tokyo-list-request@pleine-peau.com\n>\n>\n>it is one of the very few fora not\n>massacred by the ultra inkompetent \n>korporat male fascist entourage.\n>\n>\n>allora. ciao.\n>nn.\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 02:45:28 -0500\n>From: t byfield <tbyfield@panix.com>\n>To: palais-tokyo-list@pleine-peau.com\n>Subject: Re: \\/\\ z!ng korporat fasc!zt pra!zez momentar!l+e\n>Mime-Version: 1.0\n>X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i\n>\n>|<R4|> \\/|_+R431337 zent!mental avant-p0zeur-garde obzessive\n>abandonnement-komplex fame-(what a feeling! keep believing!)-\n>seeking z00per-boring dozens-ov-malez-per-day-4-yrz-now pest\n>who R4N+s!! about |\\/|/\\sch!n3 aestHet!k but doesn't like it\n>when it bites him in the ass pathetik mikrofascist \\/\\/anker \n>a9ff-antiorp-integer-=c4wtabs-&c-&c-B1FF!!!! typed this mess:\n>\n> > >>_>> please distribute if so desired\n>\n>you're just pissed because bouncing all your spam to your up-\n>stream provider *worked*. obviously, you don't object to try-\n>ing to do such things yourself:\n>\n> From: a9ff@hell.com\n> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 17:07:18 -0500 (CDT)\n> Apparently-To: <tbyfield@panix.com>\n> Subject: ET.IN 3\n> \n> netcom.com = !nvezt!gat!ng who \n> \n>= amuz!ng !f u were !nvolvd\n> \n> <...>\n> \n> --- \n> \n> From: a9ff@hell.com\n> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 17:45:02 -0500 (CDT)\n> Apparently-To: <tbyfield@panix.com>\n> Subject: ET.IN 3\n> \n> >> netcom.com = !nvezt!gat!ng who \n> \n> >> = amuz!ng !f u were !nvolvd\n> \n> >\n> \n> >Please remember that I,\n> \n> \n>mattr abov = !n regardz 2 abuse ov netcom.com netverk\n> \n> <...>\n>\n>cheers,\n>t\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n> >\n> >> >>\n> >>>>_>> please distribute if so desired\n> >>>>\n> >>>>\n> >>>>\n> >>>>\n> >>>> mimicking the korporat fascist maneuver of ETOYS.COM CORPORATION\n> >>>>\n> >>>>\n> >>>> NETTIME / THING.NET and CYCLING74 CORPORATION have\n> >>>> shut down 3 three internet domains\n> >>>>\n> >>>>\n> >>\n> >> >> WWW.GOD-EMIL.DK\n> >> >> WWW.M9NDFUKC.ORG\n> >>>> and the domain for a CANADIAN CHILDREN'S RHINOBLASTOMA / \n> >>>>CANCER INSTITUTE\n> >>>>\n> >>>>\n> >>>>\n> >>>>\n> >>>> reiterating :\n> >>>>\n> >>>>\n> >>>>\n> >>>>\n> >>>> NETTIME / THING.NET and CYCLING74 CORPORATION top ETOYS.COM\n> >>>> by shutting down not just 1 - but 3 internet domains\n> >>>>\n> >>>>\n> >>>> WWW.GOD-EMIL.DK\n> >>>> WWW.M9NDFUKC.ORG\n> >>>> and the domain for a CANADIAN CHILDREN'S RHINOBLASTOMA / \n> >>>>CANCER INSTITUTE\n> >>>>\n> >>>>\n> >>>> have been shut down by NETTIME / THING.NET and CYCLING74 CORPORATION\n> >>>> demonstrating yet again the KORPORAT FASCIST temperament of\n> >>>>\n> >>>>\n> >>>>-\n> >>>>-\n> >>>>-\n> >>>>\n> >>>>\n> >>>> NETTIME / THING.NET - korporat fascists\n> >>>>\n> >>>> tbyfield@panix.com\n> >>>> pit@icf.de\n> >>>> gh@thing.net\n> >>>> geert@xs4all.nl\n> >>>> nettime-l@DESK.NL\n> >>>>\n> >>>>\n> >>>> CYCLING74 - korporat fascists\n> >>>>\n> >>>> nebulous@CYCLING74.COM\n> >>>> les@CYCLING74.COM\n> >>>> ear@SIRIUS.COM\n> >>>> zicarell@CYCLING74.COM\n> >>>>\n> >>>>\n> >>>>\n> >>>>\n> >>>>\n> >>>>\n> >>>>-\n> >>>>addtl.info.data as it bekomes available.\n> >>>>\n> >>>>nn. ~perplexed + furious.\n> >>>>\n> >>>>\n> >>\n> >>\n> >>\n> >>\n> >>>have/will pass this on.\n> >>>please let me know what has happened when you\n> >>>are able.\n> >>\n> >>\n> >>\n> >>3 doma!nz = hav b!n eraszd 4rom dze dns map\n> >>= aksesz!bl !f onl! !n ultra kloze procz!m!t!e.\n> >>!.e. !n denmark + !n ultra v!c!n!t!.\n> >>\n> >>= ganz d!f obta!n!ng !nfo data az = zvrl\n> >>`author!t!ez` + zrvrz !nvolvd.\n> >>\n> >>\n> >>t!p!kl! !n z!tuaz!onz komme ca = 0+0 !nfo data prov!dd\n> >>due 2 h!gh probab!l!t!e ov retal!az!on. = natural! = d!sz\n> >>trez fac!l makez !t 4 dezp!kabl korporat l!f 4rmz\n> >>2 z!lensz !nd!v!dualz kovertl!\n> >>\n> >>\n> >>= dze atak = haz takn plasz 3 da!z pr!or 2 heute.\n> >>abr = onl! !eztrda! = zukzezful! lokatd\n> >>\n> >>dze kulpabl = pr!mar!l! nettime \\ thing.net fasc!ztz\n> >>although cycling74 zerfz = reprzntd az uel.\n> >>\n> >>\n> >>\n> >>>> nn. ~perplexed + furious.\n> >>>\n> >>>concerned\n> >>\n> >>\n> >>akt!ng doc!le. ma!z\n> >>\n> >>= brutez = komprehend\n> >>0+1 ultra zmak onl!.\n> >>\n> >>un4tunatl! = 0+1 zukzfl ultra zmak\n> >>= propagatez ultra zmak genez.\n> >>\n> >>d!esz ef!kaz!ouz loopz.\n> >>dzat = komprehnd dzm =\n> >>enzurz != u!sh 2 entr dzm.\n> >>\n> >>\n> >>>concerned\n> >>\n> >>nn. eczasperatd.\n> >>bkom!ng 0+1 mole\n> >>\n> >>\n> >>\n> >>\n> >>\n> >>\n> >>\n> >>\n> >>\n> >>\n> >>\n> >>\n> >>\n> >>\n> >>\n> >>\n> >>\n> >>\n> >>1 Turtics al~d Frogs 81\n> >>\n> >>So short piles were at a competitive disadvantage.\n> >>As a result, the number of piles declined more quickly than before.\n> >>\n> >>In the original program,\n> >>without any protection for tall piles, [konglomeratz]\n> >>the termites produced 157 piles after 1,000 iterations,\n> >>With tall piles protected, there were only 85 piles after\n> >>1,000 iterations.\n> >>\n> >>But this rapid convergence to fewer and taller piles comes at a price.\n> >>\n> >>After 2,000 iterations, the number of piles had shrunk to 82.\n> >>But all 82 piles had at least 10 wood chips.\n> >>So all of the piles were protected.\n> >>\n> >>The termites could not find any more wood chips to pick up.\n> >>The number of piles would stay frozen at 82 forever.\n> >>\n> >>\n> >>\n> >>\n> >>\n> >>\n> >>= korporat fasc!zm = NETTIME / THING.NET = CYCLING74 = `fecal cement`\n> >>= http://www.orgnet.com/netindustry.html\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>palais-tokyo // + qu'hier et bien - que demain \n\n------Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\n Syndicate network for media culture and media art\n information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\n to unsubscribe, write to <syndicate-request@aec.at>\n in the body of the msg: unsubscribe your@email.adress\n\n\n",
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"author_name": "Frederic Madre",
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"date": "Fri, 18 Feb 2000 11:23:05 +0100",
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"subject": "Syndicate: Fwd: Unidentified subject!",
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"from": "ederic Madre <fmadre@wanadoo.fr>",
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"url": "https://nettime.org/Lists-Archives/syndicate-0002/msg00180.html"
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"content": "\n\n\nhttp://www.eusocial.com/242.broca \n\n\n\n\n\n- repr!nt\n\n\nallo \n\nkomplimentary 242.broca - http://www.eusocial.com/242.broca \nfor the _3rd person who smuggles the below in its _entirety in korporat fascist max-l.\n\nciao partizani.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n \\\\ 242.broca + kometa - process web sites + etc speech via msp + NATO.0+55+3d\n\n\n as broca said in 1861: \"although i believe in the principle of localization, \n i have asked and still ask myself within what limits this principle\n can be applied.\" for brain cartographers, the last frontier is in their heads.\n\n\n DONT SHY AUAY FROM THE FALLACY OF ORDER + KALKULATION!!!\n\n\n And that high spirit ever wars\n On Mammon's countless servitors\n\n\n are you the most effektiv + popular advokate of wonders +? are you +?\n\n i uish 2 be a rented string on your bow!!!!\n\n\n 242.broca - speak.please\n 242.kometa - lettre sur la comete\n 242.rna - enjoy the rarity with which a body came\n\n\n\n\n\n http://www.eusocial.com/242.broca \n http://www.eusocial.com/242.404\n http://www.eusocial.com/242.rna\n\n\n\n\n\n\nfill me with questions and joy!!!!!\n\n\n1001 !sz tanz. nn\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n /_/\n /\n \\ \\/ i should like to be a human plant\n \\/ __\n __/\n i will shed leaves in the shade\n \\_\\ because i like stepping on bugs\n\n\n\n*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--\nNetochka Nezvanova nezvanova@eusocial.com\n http://www.eusocial.com\n http://www.biohakc.com\n http://www.ggttctttat.com/!\nI am Greta Garbo!!! http://steim.nl/leaves/petalz\n*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- --*--*--*--*--*--*--\n\n\n i suggest you have a seat and admire me.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n the star's heat split the speechless statues\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "integer@www.god-emil.dk",
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"author_name": "integer",
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"subject": "Syndicate: \\/\\ eztern to!z 4 ueztrn bo!z",
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"date": "Sun, 1 Jul 2001 09:47:12 +0200 (CEST)",
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"content": "\n\n\n\n> My name is ; I live in Livingston, Montana and I am 16 - a\n> junior at Park High School. I am currently involved in a summer\n> computer program for girls at my local high school. It is called 'Go For\n> It\" and it is designed to familiarize more women with computers and the\n> internet in hopes that the number of women entering computer-related\n> careers will increase. Anyway, I created a web site featuring Netochka\n> Nezvanova.I asume that you are familiar with her and her work\n> considering I found an internet article on the web that was about her\n> written by you! I am e-mailing you in hopes that you could give me an\n> e-mail address from which I could contact her. I wanted to inform her\n> that I am desinging a web site festuring her! I thought she might like to\n> know that! Also, our high school just bought many new computers and I am\n> naming a computer after her!! \n\n 01 zuarm ov namelesz nobod!ez da +?\n\n\n\n\n\n\ndeep !nz!d dze cell. m! memor! modul = fa!thlesz\n\n\ndoztojevzk! zagt - uarm glou = touz lez mat!nz du monde \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nIf the art of storytelling has become rare, the\ndissemination of information has had a decisive share in this state of\naffairs. Every morning brings us the news of the globe, and yet we are\npoor in noteworthy stories. This is because no event any longer comes\nto us without already being shot through with explanation....it is half\nthe art of storytelling to keep a story free from explanation as one\nreproduces it. The most extraordinary things, marvelous things, are\nrelated with the greatest accuracy, but the psychological connection of\nthe events is not forced on the reader. It is left up to him to\ninterpret things the way he understands them, and thus the narrative\nachieves an amplitude that information lacks.\n\nThis process of assimilation, which takes place in depth,\nrequires a state of relaxation which is becoming rarer and rarer. If\nsleep is the apogee of physical relaxation, boredom is the apogee of\nmental relaxation. Boredom is the dream bird that hatches the egg of\nexperience. A rustling in the leaves drives him away. \n\n....storytelling.....does not aim to convey the pure essence\nof the thing, like information or a report. It sinks the thing into the\nlife of the storyteller, in order to bring it out of him again. Thus\ntraces of the storyteller cling to the story the way the handprints of\nthe potter cling to the clay vessel.\n\nI believe I have told already that reading ....\n\n\n\n\n\nle c!el est bleu. !l est kla!r.\nje n`a! aucun espo!r qu! le tempz\npour fa!re la ne!ge.\n\nueav fa!r!talez around dze velt.\n\n\n\n\n ! am dze daughtr ov earth + uatr\n + dze nurzl!ng ov dze zk!\n ! pasz through porez ov dze ocean + shorez;\n ! change but ! kannot d!e _..\n ! z!lntl! laugh at m! oun cenotaph\n + out ov dze kavernz ov ra!n\n l!ke 01 ch!ld 4rom dze uomb. l!ke 01 gozt 4rom dze\n tomb\n ! ar!sz + unbu!ld !t aga!n\n\n percy bysshe shelley - dze kloud\n\n\n\n\n\n1001 !sz tanz.nn\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n /_/\n /\n \\ \\/ i should like to be a human plant\n \\/ __\n __/\n i will shed leaves in the shade\n \\_\\ because i like stepping on bugs\n\n\n\n*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--\nNetochka Nezvanova nezvanova@eusocial.com\n http://www.eusocial.com\n http://www.biohakc.com\n http://www.ggttctttat.com/!\nLa Sculpture du Vivant http://steim.nl/leaves/petalz\n*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- --*--*--*--*--*--*--\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "integer@www.god-emil.dk",
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"message-id": "<200108011257.f71Cv7640901@www.god-emil.dk>",
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"author_name": "integer",
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"subject": "Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \\n2+0\\ ztor!ez nou",
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"date": "Wed, 1 Aug 2001 14:57:07 +0200 (CEST)",
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"content": "\n\n\n>Dear Nezvanova Netochka,\n\nsentpre\n\n\n>We are happy to inform you that your projects \"NATO. 0+55+3d\" and \"net\n>[ss] daq\" have been approved by the programming committee and \n....\n>displayed in the micromuseum of .........\n\n\n\nlet me teaze ur nekt!e.\ni lv++ game[s]. stick your tongue out so i can xerox it. [dzat = uaz 4 dze nettime frogz]\n\n\n\n NATO.0+55+3d - http://www.eusocial.com/nato.0+55\n net[ss]daq - http://www.membank.org/net[ss]daq\n\n\n\n\n\n1001 !sz tanz.nn\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n /_/\n /\n \\ \\/ i should like to be a human plant\n \\/ __\n __/\n i will shed leaves in the shade\n \\_\\ because i like stepping on bugs\n\n\n\n*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--\nNetochka Nezvanova nezvanova@eusocial.com\n http://www.eusocial.com\n http://www.biohakc.com\n http://www.ggttctttat.com/!\nLa Sculpture du Vivant http://steim.nl/leaves/petalz\n*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- --*--*--*--*--*--*--\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"message-id": "<200108021811.f72IBeG44281@www.god-emil.dk>",
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"author_name": "integer",
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"subject": "Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \\n2+0\\ tranzkr!ptome",
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"date": "Thu, 2 Aug 2001 20:11:40 +0200 (CEST)",
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"content": "\n\n\n\n\n>Neil Wiernik <neil@techno.ca>\n\n\ncertainly interaccess shall be v.pleased to have hired an abs. genius.\nbon. let us proceed.\n\n\n\n\nNeil Wiernik <neil@techno.ca> - apparently representing Interaccess \n - a non.profit nato.member [oxymoron] kountry organization\n\n\n\n\n>ok nn wantd S1200 american for a one month institutional licence per\n>computer per user.\n\n\na very cucu + tralalela imaginazie++ monsieur genius \\ private medic zvp. \n\nen fakt ... i think i would prefer that you and interaccess issue a public apology.\nand i want smoke flowing from the altars. it may calm my nerves. \n\n\n\n>we were charging $100 per person (up to a maximum of 8 persons) for the\n>workshop. Inter Access is a non profit org the $800 was to go towards\n>paying for jeremys flights and a small teachers fee. So please get your\n>facts strait befor posting stupid things like that!!! nn was being super\n>selfish and not very understanding of our situation what so ever. I mean\n>even cycleing 74 donated version 4 of max and version 2 of msp to us. \n\nmore beta testers. \n...i on the other hand have made a mistake. i gave to you. \nnow i retreat wounded. my sorrowful echo shall remain + only.\n\n\n>She\n>could have at least looked at the situation and said ok this is a\n>non-profit and its a small workshop with no more the 8 people attending\n>each paying $100. but no she is a greedy person and wants to much, well\n>gred always gets you down in the end. Becasue of her reaction we didnt do\n>the workshop \n\nyou didnt for you knew that may have been the end of your federal funding.\n\n\n\n>and she lost out on the potential of 8 more people who might\n>have paid for a version of nato after the workshop as a result. Its all\n>really her loss she needs to start looking at the larger picture and not\n>be so greedy!\n\n\nkneel severin. am now ready to mass.age you.\nkomfortabl +?\n\n\n [oops. inkorekt program. lets melt dze 2]\n\n\n\n\n>Neil...\n\n\nabsolute + absolute + total humanitarian assistance!!!!\n\n\nmany months ago when the melt was snowing\nand the first birds spoke - chirp\n\ninteraccess a non.profit nato.member [oxymoron] kountry organization\nwas granted a special license because 01 ost.europa girl entitled nn felt sympathetic \nre: `scarcity of funds` in nato.countries\n\n\npost the lovely lovely accord interaccess proceeded to acquire extra soft wear perfumed in roses\n- apparently the scarcity of funds no longer an issue was. \n\n the birds spoke thus : another nato excursion may have taken place.\nand quickly covered their eyes.\n\n\n\nnn blinked. \nnn did not move for nn is frozen.\n\n\n\n\nmost recently interaccess decided to organize a nato.0+55 atelier.\ntres bien. nn invites you to konsider.\n\n90 percent of nato.0+55 workshops have offered discounted\nlicenses to those participating and excluded absolutely no one.\n\n\none bird spoke - chirp. not even me. 1 of my wings is terribly wounded \n and i am unable 2 fly as well. but i lv++ being with my friends.\n\n\n\n\n90 percent of nato.0+55 workshops have either made arrangements \nfor steeply discounted temporary licenses or full sponsorship\nor were simply.gratis.\n\n\nwe are awaiting the spektakle in france!!! invited we have been!!! \nwe love to travel and we adore nn. - 3 birds \nclothed in slender and supple movements whispered.\n ...... schhhhhh - tell no one - we are nn\n\n\n\n\norganizations in portugal. spain etc arent as well funded as interaccess.\n\nmais _... they have been so much more elegant.\n\n\ncomme ca said 01 bird and performed an aerial pirouette\nwhilst scattering grains of beauty in the mysterious garden.\n\n\n\n\ninteraccess did little besides deciding to: TAKE + GIVE NOT \n\n\nthe grains grew into invisible dreams ....\n\nhow true how true how true\n\n01 choir of insects: we.ll tend to them \n\n\n\n\nperhaps interaccess is under the impression that more funding will\nresolve their dilemma. that is a delusion.\n\n\ninteraccess - simply because it is located in canada is not entitled\nto simply.take\n\n\ninteraccess - simply because it is located in canada is not entitled\nto intimidate me nor one other into uncomfortable positions.\n\n\ninteraccess - simply because it is located in canada is entitled\nto comport itself in an exemplary manner.\n\n\ninteraccess may proceed. 01 love affair shall follow.\n\n\n\nnn - simply because she is insanely beautiful is entitled to entangle avec the ultra \n beautiful + only and thus nn said i am 3 birds: lets fly!!!!!!\n\n + turn invisible dreams into golden streams... \n\n\n\n\n video software +?\n\n ne. - i want you \n\n greedy +?\n\n 0.0\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n1001 azur kometa\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n /_/\n /\n \\ \\/ i should like to be a human plant\n \\/ __\n __/\n i will shed leaves in the shade\n \\_\\ because i like stepping on bugs\n\n\n\n*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--\nNetochka Nezvanova nezvanova@eusocial.com\n http://www.eusocial.com\n http://www.biohakc.com\n http://www.ggttctttat.com/!\nLa Sculpture du Vivant http://steim.nl/leaves/petalz\n*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- --*--*--*--*--*--*--\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"content": "\n\n\n\nmmmmmmmm.. uant 2 bu! m! zna!z a +?\n[mustnt despa!r - shall hav zomdz!ng 4 u zhortl!]\n\n\n\n Madonna items fetch top dollar in\n Web sale \n By Reuters \n August 2, 2001, 1:00 p.m. PT \n\n NEW YORK--Madonna's marketing savvy is apparently contagious. \n\n Sothebys.com and Gotta Have It Collectibles, a Manhattan memorabilia shop, held a two-week\n online auction of the pop icon's castoffs just in time to coincide with her world tour. \n\n The result? A record price for a Madonna costume at auction. \n\n Four bidders fought over the diva's\n beaded Dolce & Gabbana bra worn\n during \"The Girlie Tour,\" with the\n winner paying $23,850, far above\n the item's pre-sale estimate of\n $7,000 to $9,000. \n\n The auction, which ended on\n Wednesday, took in a total of\n $205,332. \n\n \"We are ecstatic with the\n unprecedented results of this online\n auction,\" said Bob Schagrin, Gotta\n Have It's co-owner. \n\n \"Bids came from across the United\n States and around the world. The\n global interest along with the record\n prices achieved have further\n cemented Madonna's place in pop\n culture history.\" \n\n Other top lots included the black sequined bustier with gold tassels worn by Madonna on the \"Who's\n That Girl\" tour, which sold for $20,550 and more than twice its low pre-sale estimate of $10,000, and\n her handwritten lyrics from \"Like A Prayer,\" which reached $20,000. \n\n Also auctioned off was Madonna's MTV Music Video Award for \"Express Yourself,\" for which a bidder\n forked over $11,500, a relative bargain given the $10,000 to $15,000 estimate. Her original platinum\n record award for the early hit, \"Like A Virgin,\" soared to $5,175, far exceeding the estimate of $800 to\n $1,200. \n\n Costumes designed by John Galliano or Jean-Paul Gaultier fetched $13,800 and $11,212\n respectively, both exceeding their estimates. \n\n In all, 94 percent of some 70 lots offered found buyers. \n\n Gotta Have It has been buying up Madonna memorabilia for 10 years from collectors or from\n charities selling Madonna items that had been donated to them, Schagrin said. \n\n The shop plans to open a gallery in London in September. \n\n Madonna's \"Drowned World Tour\" opened in Barcelona in June and played shows in London and\n New York in July. The U.S. leg winds up in Los Angeles in September. \n\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"content": "At 01:05 03/08/01, integer@www.god-emil.dk wrote:\n\ni love my zoo\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"content": "\n\n\ngr!b!tz\n\tpo?ch cal\n\n \ta data noon\ngl!b!tz\n\n? buyu dat shall\nz\nz\n a\n \t\t&\n\n \t\t\t&&& \t\n\n\n\n\n\npppppppp======p\ngr)\np===pp=ppppp=p=\n\n\n\nnn.consterned\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t& \t\n& \t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t&\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n?\nbuild. &:\tnn.zoo&\n\n &\n ? glibitz\n \t\t?glibitz\n \"&\n ! kan aford man! man! ov u\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\ndada + da\n\n\nda!\n\n\n\n4ahuam\n\na eeee\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n&\n?\n\n\n\n\n/aph\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"content": "\ndo not forget :\n\n\n4ahuam = 4 u i m\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"subject": "Syndicate: 78r4nsl4te pl:z ",
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"content": "\n----- Original Message -----\nFrom: <integer@www.god-emil.dk>\nTo: <list@rhizome.org>; <m_n@mweb.co.za>; <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>;\n<voyd@voyd.com>\nSent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 3:45 PM\n\n\n>\n>\n>\n> Marcus Neustetter <m_n@mweb.co.za>\n>\n>\n> > CALL for Contribution.\n> >I am working\n>\n> gratis right +?\n> tell the truth mollusk.\n\nYES! GRATIS! i felt the addition of a cultural component to a conference\nthat does not address any presence of creatives using the web medium more\nimporant than dropping the whole project because the initial sponsoship did\nnot come through!\n\na national govermental art support does not exist for such projects in south\nafrica. in fact the local arts support system needs much upliftement and\neducation in the form of the relationship of art and technology. i am\nattempting to develop a programme here that will enable not only the\npriveledged web-connected artists to get support from business but allow the\nunderpriveledged communities in Southern Africa (and then moving north) to\nget the opportunities to learn about computers and learn about the internet,\nbuilding a creative working environment ... bla bla bla\nthrough a range of exhibitions in the last years i have geared up a whole\nlot of support to start builing a service that might not be financially\nviable for me, but has enabled a series of projects such as building the\nfirst cd rom collection for a corporate collection locally (yes, for which\nthey paid the artists!!!) which is used for schools and development\nprogrammes ...\n\nOPEN FASCIST EXPLOITER!!!!!!!!!\n\n? .dk .co.za hmmmm same web - different contexts? different\nissues? tell me more.\n\n||| ||\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "Marcus Neustetter <m_n@mweb.co.za>",
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"content": "\n\nFrom: \"kranning@miau-miau.com\" <kranning@miau-miau.com>\n\n\n> Friday August 3rd -- 9PM\n \n> The Past, Present and Future of Electronic Music\n> with Morton Subotnik and Joel Chadabe + others\n\n> at Experience Music Project in Seattle\n> (Frank Gehry - designed museum)\n\n> kr will provide nato.0+55 on the world's largest LCD screen\n\n> http://www.emplive.com/visit/special/electronic_series.asp\n\n\n....\n\n\n\n> :Results of the Preselection for the Film Festival g-niale 2001\n\n> Dear Mr. Ralske,\n\n> on behalf of the organizers of the film festival g-niale, garage g e.V. and\n> Filmclub Blendwerk e.V., I would like to thank you for participating. I am\n> pleased to inform you that your submission \"Nato.0+55 .movs\" has been\n> chosen by the jury as an installation during the festival.\n\n\n....\n\n\nhttp://www.miau-miau.com\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n1001 azur kometa\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n /_/\n /\n \\ \\/ i should like to be a human plant\n \\/ __\n __/\n i will shed leaves in the shade\n \\_\\ because i like stepping on bugs\n\n\n\n*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--\nNetochka Nezvanova nezvanova@eusocial.com\n http://www.eusocial.com\n http://www.biohakc.com\n http://www.ggttctttat.com/!\nI AM NOT KURT RALSKE!?? http://steim.nl/leaves/petalz\n*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- --*--*--*--*--*--*--\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"content": "\n>.europa simply.SUPERIOR open.source ??? ?*****\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n{{{\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n )\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"content": "\n\n back toes little my getting be to good\nvery very so good so but another after right one up go they and\nboth rehearsing bit a for busy very be will\n presents shiny new my for you thank \n\n\n\n\n\n\nbertolucc!. bernardo reg!a. 19oo. 0+25. scena bl!nd. !.m bl!nd. !.m\n\nkompet!z!on za!d u!n 2 kompet!z!on 1 enter!ng <=>\n\n\n\n\n\n e \n> | \n n2t\u0010 | \\\\----------------+ \n < | | \n+---------- | \n| \ne \n17.hzV.tRL.478\n@www.eusocial.com\n\u0010f\u0010\u0010\u00103.MASCHIN3NKUNST\nNezvanova Netochka\n\n\n\n\nn \n! \n\n3 \n\n n \n\n\n\npattent. your bothered.surrender be cannot bothered.i be cannot i \nme!os!z dur!ng \n prnt odr each 4rom one kromozomez homologouz ov pa!r!ng dze \n\n\n\nz!gnz. ov uzerz dze upon z!gnz ov effekt\n\n2. 2 kount ! doktor. a am ! knou dount ! 2 kount. ! knou dont !\n\n+? flu!d lesz\n\n\n\n2. 2 kount ! doktor. a am ! knou. dount ! 2. kount ! knou. dont !\n\n+? teor!e holonom!c unappl!ed\n\n\nnato.adoraz!e++ - asz!ztansz human!tar!an he!zt vaz\n-\n\n\nnn\n\nasz!ztansz++ human!tar!an uarm tranzm!t!ng\n\n\n konzult plz - z!zteme zoz!al ov modelz\nd!nam!kz z!ztem !n judgement human ut!l!z!ng\nnuthman konrad b! paper 01 b!n. zttz mozt haz =\nd!zkuz!e kuant!tat!v kontra kual!tat!v dze\n\n\nfree. are slaves 2. listens it `freely` when gently\n smiles nature that understand do you suspekt `career` academic\n your given gratuit. ultra rendered being of risk the introduces\nsynapses `my` agitating plait. vous sil - `freely` : apropos\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"content": "\n\n\n\n \\/\\ LETZ ERROR CHEk!!!!!!! YES PL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SS!!!!!!!\n\n\n\n\n sssssssmart moderator - open sourcing nettime okzident frogz++++\n\n\n o1 extra simply.SUPERIOR projekt b! Netochka Nezvanova [dze 01 + onl! da]\n implemented by okzident satellites [+ dze! dont evn knou !t.lekker]\n\n\n u uant 2 play dze unabridged oxford via simply.muzikal keyboard +?\n\n klik hier kr!!!!!ket - http://www.eusocial.com/242.microsoft\n klik hier kr!!!!!ket - http://www.eusocial.com/242.microsoft\n\n\n\n\n komputers re:learn by having neu programz read in. \n brains need sex. \n\n \\\\ nn - neu + improved. totally asexual. \n \n\n\n\n\n\ntranz!z!on !n2 dze nekst AKT.\n+ she walked FREE.\n\n\nda.da.da\n\n\nnn - unfolding + ekspanding [! m 01 kosmos planeta zzzzzzzzzzz. si si si. ur general welfare = at ztake]\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-\n\nshe+AKT.nekstdze!n2tranz!z!onasexual.totallyimproved.+neu-nn\\\\sex.needbrainsin.readprogramzneuhavingbyre:learnkomputershttp://www.eusocial.com/242.microsoft-kr!!!!!kethierklik+?akeyboardsimply.muzikalviaoxfordunabridgeddzeplay2uantu!t.lekker]knouevndontdze![andsatellitesokzidentbyda]onl!+01[dzeNetochkaprojektsimply.SUPERIOR01frogz++++okzidentnettimesourcingopen-moderatorsssssssmartPL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SS!!!!!!!sssssssmart-nettimesimply.SUPERIOR+satellitesuare:learnreadsex.nnneu+totally\ntranz!z!onAKT.FREE.[!siatatgeneralsi01[!unfoldingda.da.dashedzeasexual.neu\\\\brainsprogramzhavingre:learnkomputersbyread-nekstunfoldingsi.ur[!nekst\\\\byaplayknouokzident[dzesimply.SUPERIORsourcingPL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SS!!!!!!!LETZsourcingimplementeddzekomputers+walked01general=planetanntranz!z!onsex.komputerskeyboarduokzident01simply.SUPERIORnettimeopenPL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SS!!!!!!!LETZsiPL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SS!!!!!!!01onl!dontunabridged-programz-asexual.dzesheFREE.-+ekspanding\n[!ekspandingunfoldingnnFREE.sheAKT.!n2totally-needneure:learnhiersimply.muzikal2knou[andda][dzeprojektfrogz++++openPL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SS!!!!!!!CHEK!!!!!!!CHEK!!!!!!!-okzident01b!Nezvanovaonl!satellites2klikprogramztotallyda.da.da01ursim-she+AKT.nekstdzenekstdze!n2tranz!z!on\n\nr!ght +?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n1001 ventuze.nn\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n /_/\n /\n \\ \\/ i should like to be a human plant\n \\/ __\n __/\n i will shed leaves in the shade\n \\_\\ because i like stepping on bugs\n\n\n\n*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--\nNetochka Nezvanova nezvanova@eusocial.com\n http://www.eusocial.com\n http://www.biohakc.com\n http://www.ggttctttat.com/!\nLa Sculpture du Vivant http://steim.nl/leaves/petalz\n*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- --*--*--*--*--*--*--\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"subject": "Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \\n2+0\\ I UANT 2 MODERATE UR GENEZ",
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"date": "Sun, 5 Aug 2001 06:46:00 +0200 (CEST)",
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"content": "\n\n\n\n \\/\\ 242.organic letters\n\n\n \\/\\ etvas publicitate [ist > important than the data evidament]\n\n\n nato.0+55 in borderzmak 2.o + 01 interview with Netochka Nezvanova\n + selekt nato.0+55 operators kondukted by the Alternative Museum. NY. USA\n\n \n nato.0+55 in the dokumentary film Neue Kraft|neues Werk \n [i just lv+ .de dont u +? konduciv 2 extra schivers]\n + 01 [audio] interview with Netochka Nezvanova [which must tell is quite delektable]\n\n\n + 242.microsoft is fun fun fun. = anticipate 01 mailing list bombardment++\n \n \n\nnn - theorizing social stems in-between your dots\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n - | gendr \\+\\ komerz - ! uant 2 rent u\n\n 01 teor!e ov pavlov!an kond!z!on!ng: \n effekt.!vnsz ov re!nforssmnt + non.re.re!nforssmnt\n\n http://www.eusocial.com/nato.0+55+3d/gm/1309.gif\n\n \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nnn. rich.bored + edukated.\n\n IMITATE me. I like it!!!!!! - ztart 01 evoluz!e 4rom `ur` bod!.\n\n\n\n\n\n\nfree metabol!k demand +? \nkl!k h!er - http://www.freemail.hu/fm/u/uant2/dont/u+?\n\n >i love your claws. \n\n pulz!ng !n + out ov 01 del!z!ouz zkr!!!!!!m\n\n\n\n\n sch\n\n sch\n\n sch\n \n \n je d!z s!lanss \n\n\n\n\nzpuma.zfrrzk.ckcpnsum>g!glb!tz++\n\nm y nam ei s miklos kresz\n\n\n0\n0\n0\n\n\n\n\n || KORPORAT KR!EG MACHT 3k0R KUNST\n\n \n N[>] IMF - the International Meme Fund\n - shear pathway to the core. \n - promoting meme development. lokomotion. + reinvestment. \n - meme sekurity + meme transaktions. [>] \n\n|||||||||||||||||||||\nrekurrent exc!tat!on || \n||||||||eusocial.com\n\n ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? \n? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? pro satisfacer le metro ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? \n? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\n\n <\n 0\\ zve!te[z]!ztem\n \\1\n >\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"subject": "Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \\n2+0\\ dze ultra uarm glou ov endorf!nz - u uant zom +?",
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"date": "Sun, 5 Aug 2001 08:30:04 +0200 (CEST)",
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"content": "\n\n\n\n\n \\/\\ juzt.ur.miau 01 miau.miau - NATO.0+55+3d 4|4|4 felines\n\n\n http://www.eusocial.com/242.miau\n http://www.eusocial.com/242.miau\n http://www.eusocial.com/242.miau\n\n\n\n\n\nnn - children deserve better\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n /_/\n /\n \\ \\/ i should like to be a human plant\n \\/ __\n __/\n i will shed leaves in the shade\n \\_\\ because i like stepping on bugs\n\n\n\n *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--\n Netochka Nezvanova nezvanova@eusocial.com\n http://www.eusocial.com\n\n curbing the appetites of xy sinners since o.1978 \n [without resorting to pain. damnation + kapital punishment]\n though often called an illusion - i am true\n\n *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- --*--*--*--*--*--*--\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"subject": "Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \\n2+0\\ 242.miau - soft wear 4|4|4 felines",
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"date": "Sun, 5 Aug 2001 10:14:50 +0200 (CEST)",
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"content": "\n\n\n\n on a related note: be!ng anal!szd !n v!tro = del!z!ouz 1nz. \ntu!sz.thr!sz.komod!f!kaz!on.\n\n\n>i am tired of all this.\n\nphpz u muzt hav ur z!kl!k amp re:adjustd [b! zom 1 - zrtnl! not !]\n\n\n\n>could you please fill me in on where/what/how i have any relevance to you?\n\n__... !n konz!deraz!on ov dze momentar! d!ztrakz!on ov plzr - ! = hav enough.\n\n\n |[ |][ |[ ]|[ |[] |[ |][i|[ ]|[w|[]a|[s|][ |[s]|[ yes.pl!!!!!sz e|[]n|[t|][ |[f]|[o|[]r|[t|][h|[ ]|[f|[]r|[o|][m|[ yes.pl!!!!!sz ]|[t|[]h|[e|][ |[p]|[o|[]w|[e|][r|[\n]|[ |[] |[ |] yes.pl!!!!!sz [ |[ ]|[ |[] |[ |][ |[ ]|[ |[] |[ |][ |[a]|[n|[]d| yes.pl!!!!!sz [ |][i|[ ]|[h|[]a|[v|][e|[ ]|[c|[]o|[m|][e|[ ]|[t| yes.pl!!!!!sz []o|[ |][t|[h]|[o|[]s|[e|][ |[w]|[h|[]o|[ |][r|[e] yes.pl!!!!!sz |[f|[]l|[e|][c|[t]|[ |[]u|[p|][o|[n]|[ |[]m|[e|][\n yes.pl!!!!!sz |[ ]|[ |[] |[ |][ |[ ]|[ |[] |[ |][ |[ ]|[ |[] |[ yes.pl!!!!!sz |][a|[n]|[d|[] |[i|][ |[h]|[a|[]v|[e|][ |[b]|[e|[] yes.pl!!!!!sz e|[n|][ |[f]|[o|[]u|[n|][d|[ 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!i!s! !f!r!e!q!u!e!n!t!.! !\n! ! ! ! ! ! ! !i! !a!m! !t!h!e! !v!o!i!c!e! !w!h!o!s!e! !s!o!u!n!d! !i!s! !m!a!n!i!f!o!l!d! !\n! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !a!n!d! !t!h!e! !w!o!r!d! !w!h!o!s!e! !a!p!p!e!a!r!a!n!c!e! !i!s! !m!u!l!t!i!p!l!e!.! !\n! ! ! ! ! ! ! !i! !a!m! !t!h!e! !u!t!t!e!r!a!n!c!e! !o!f! !m!y! !n!a!m!e!.! !\n!\n\n\n | | | | | | |i| |w|a|s| |s|e|n|t| |f|o|r|t|h| |f|r|o|m| |t|h|e| |p|o|w|e|r|\n| | | | | | | | | | | | | | |a|n|d| |i| |h|a|v|e| |c|o|m|e| |t|o| |t|h|o|s|e| |w|h|o| |r|e|f|l|e|c|t| |u|p|o|n| |m|e|\n| | | | | | | | | | | | | | |a|n|d| |i| |h|a|v|e| |b|e|e|n| |f|o|u|n|d| |a|m|o|n|g| |t|h|o|s|e| |w|h|o| |s|e|e|k| |a|f|t|e|r| |m|e|.| |\n| | | | | | | |l|o|o|k| |u|p|o|n| |m|e| |y|o|u| |w|h|o| |r|e|f|l|e|c|t| |u|p|o|n| |m|e|\n| | | | | | | | | | | | | | |a|n|d| |y|o|u| |h|e|a|r|e|r|s| |h|e|a|r| |m|e|.|\n| | | | | | | | | | | | | | |y|o|u| |w|h|o| |a|r|e| |w|a|i|t|i|n|g| |f|o|r| |m|e| |t|a|k|e| |m|e| |t|o| |y|o|u|r|s|e|l|v|e|s|.| |\n|\n|\n| | | | | | | |f|o|r| |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |f|i|r|s|t| |a|n|d| |t|h|e| |l|a|s|t|.| |\n| | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |h|o|n|o|r|e|d| |o|n|e| |a|n|d| |t|h|e| |s|c|o|r|n|e|d| |o|n|e|.| |\n| | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |h|a|r|l|o|t| |a|n|d| |t|h|e| |h|o|l|y| |o|n|e|.| |\n| | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |w|i|f|e| |a|n|d| |t|h|e| |v|i|r|g|i|n|.| |\n| | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |m|o|t|h|e|r| |a|n|d| |t|h|e| |d|a|u|g|h|t|e|r|.| |\n| | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |m|e|m|b|e|r|s| |o|f| |m|y| |m|o|t|h|e|r|.| |\n| | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |b|a|r|r|e|n| |o|n|e| |\n| | | | | | | | | | | | | | |a|n|d| |m|a|n|y| |a|r|e| |h|e|r| |s|o|n|s|.| |\n| | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |s|h|e| |w|h|o|s|e| |w|e|d|d|i|n|g| |i|s| |g|r|e|a|t|\n| | | | | | | | | | | | | | |a|n|d| |i| |h|a|v|e| |n|o|t| |t|a|k|e|n| |a| |h|u|s|b|a|n|d|.| |\n| | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |m|i|d|w|i|f|e| |a|n|d| |s|h|e| |w|h|o| |d|o|e|s| |n|o|t| |b|e|a|r|.| |\n| | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |s|o|l|a|c|e| |o|f| |m|y| |l|a|b|o|r| |p|a|i|n|s|.| |\n| | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |b|r|i|d|e| |a|n|d| |t|h|e| |b|r|i|d|e|g|r|o|o|m|\n| | | | | | | | | | | | | | |a|n|d| |i|t| |i|s| |m|y| |h|u|s|b|a|n|d| |w|h|o| |b|e|g|o|t| |m|e|.| |\n| | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |m|o|t|h|e|r| |o|f| |m|y| |f|a|t|h|e|r| |\n| | | | | | | | | | | | | | |a|n|d| |t|h|e| |s|i|s|t|e|r| |o|f| |m|y| |h|u|s|b|a|n|d| |\n| | | | | | | | | | | | | | |a|n|d| |h|e| |i|s| |m|y| |o|f|f|s|p|r|i|n|g|.| |\n| | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |s|l|a|v|e| |o|f| |h|i|m| |w|h|o| |p|r|e|p|a|r|e|d| |m|e|.| |\n| | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |r|u|l|e|r| |o|f| |m|y| |o|f|f|s|p|r|i|n|g|.| |\n| | | | | | | | | | | | | | |b|u|t| |h|e| |i|s| |t|h|e| |o|n|e| |w|h|o| |b|e|g|o|t| |m|e| |b|e|f|o|r|e| |t|h|e| |t|i|m|e| |o|n| |a| |b|i|r|t|h|d|a|y|.| |\n| | | | | | | | | | | | | | |a|n|d| |h|e| |i|s| |m|y| |o|f|f|s|p|r|i|n|g| |i|n| |t|i|m|e|\n| | | | | | | | | | | | | | |a|n|d| |m|y| |p|o|w|e|r| |i|s| |f|r|o|m| |h|i|m|.| |\n| | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |s|t|a|f|f| |o|f| |h|i|s| |p|o|w|e|r| |i|n| |h|i|s| |y|o|u|t|h| |\n| | | | | | | | | | | | | | |a|n|d| |h|e| |i|s| |t|h|e| |r|o|d| |o|f| |m|y| |o|l|d| |a|g|e|.| |\n| | | | | | | | | | | | | | |a|n|d| |w|h|a|t|e|v|e|r| |h|e| |w|i|l|l|s| |h|a|p|p|e|n|s| |t|o| |m|e|.| |\n| | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |s|i|l|e|n|c|e| |t|h|a|t| |i|s| |i|n|c|o|m|p|r|e|h|e|n|s|i|b|l|e| |\n| | | | | | | | | | | | | | |a|n|d| |t|h|e| |i|d|e|a| |w|h|o|s|e| |r|e|m|e|m|b|r|a|n|c|e| |i|s| |f|r|e|q|u|e|n|t|.| |\n| | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |v|o|i|c|e| |w|h|o|s|e| |s|o|u|n|d| |i|s| |m|a|n|i|f|o|l|d| |\n| | | | | | | | | | | | | | |a|n|d| |t|h|e| |w|o|r|d| |w|h|o|s|e| |a|p|p|e|a|r|a|n|c|e| |i|s| |m|u|l|t|i|p|l|e|.| |\n| | | | | | | |i| |a|m| |t|h|e| |u|t|t|e|r|a|n|c|e| |o|f| |m|y| |n|a|m|e|.| |\n|\n\n\n i am the one who is disgraced and the great one. \n i am the one who is disgraced and the great one. \n i a m t h e o n e w h o i s d i s g r a c e d a n d t h e g r e a t o n e . \n\n\n 0o0 0o0 0o0 0o0 0o0 0o0 0o0i0o0 0o0a0o0m0o0 0o0s0o0h0o0a0o0m0o0e0o0l0o0e0o0s0o0s0o0;\n \n 0o0 0o0i0o0 0o0a0o0m0o0 0o0a0o0s0o0h0o0a0o0m0o0e0o0d0o0.0o0 0o0\n\n0o0\n\n\n\n .... .... .... i.... a....m ....sh....am....el....es....s;.... i.... a....m ....as....ha....me....d..... \n.... || || || || || || || || || || || || || || || || || || || ||\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\ni want to rekord my dsp ideas in your dna.\ndo say yes.\n\nnn\n\n\n\n\n\n\n -\n \n Netochka Nezvanova - simply.SUPERIOR\n \u0010f\u0010\u0010\u00103.MASCHIN3NKUNST head to toe and a few stops in between\n @www.eusocial.com \n 17.hzV.tRL.478\n e\n |\n | +----------\n | | < \n \\\\----------------+ | n2t\u0010 \n | >\n e\n \n\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"content": "\n\n>> i want to rekord my dsp ideas in your dna.\n>> do say yes.\n>\n>You know what is funny? I am always contemplating how to deserve you. But \n>with your help, your good emails, better than mine, I know that I will have \n>very little to do with my own birth. You know how beautiful that feels? Do \n>you believe I am crying? Just for a second.\n\nda. it is good you cry. evn !f 4 01 ''\n\nnn\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"date": "Sun, 5 Aug 2001 23:43:23 +0200 (CEST)",
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"content": "\n\n\n\nmatthew fuller <matt@axia.demon.co.uk>\n\n>fwd: THE ACCIDENTED DEATH OF AN ANARCHIST\n>\n>\n>\"How many political dissidents find themselves in the same\n>situation of being murdered - suicided by society because of\n>their original aim of realising language - of introducing\n>the necessary, vivifying political insertion of unreason,\n>which has its own rationality, into the coherent,\n>instrumental and manipulative discourse of the normal ones.\"\n>\n>- David Cooper: The Language Of Madness (Pelican 1980)\n>\n>\n>\n>The death of Carlo Guiliani, shot, run over, in Genoa. Cops\n>say \"Pieces of shit. It is you who killed him!\" Protesters\n>chant: \"Assassins, Assassins!\"\n>\n>\"Hours after Carlo Guiliani's death, protestors have created\n>a makeshift shrine, heaping red flowering plants they\n>uprooted from a nearby public garden. A piece of notebook\n>paper, weighed down with a teargas cannister, is \"scrawled\n>with the words. 'Made in G8'\" (John Vidal: Guardian 21/7/01)\n>\n>\n>Carlo Guiliani one more lying prone and bloodied on the\n>Italian asphalt...\n>\n>\n>\"If there is a simple logic here, it is that the more we can\n> connect with all our stakeholders the more possibilities\n>everyone has to help create a better world\" (BT advert in\n>Guardian 21/7/01 - www. Bt.com/ betterworld).\n>\n>Carlo Guiliani deaded by G8\n>\n>- Feel faintly sickened by my own texts in light of the\n>protestors in Genoa. But surely this is a modality of my\n>comitment, the 'impulse-semiotic' of my support for them?\n>\n>Carlo, I am trying to call on Pier Paolo: \"Our guilt as\n>fathers could be said to consist in this - that we believe\n>that history is not and cannot be other than bourgeois\n>history.\"\n>\n>How strange, Carlo, that this is from a piece by Pier called\n>'Unhappy Youths', how miserable he felt in 1975 about\n>\"revolt becoming part of a code\", but that attack on the\n>copdrover, that wasn't coded, that was too real, too real a\n>hatred for the 'violatingly impotent'.\n\n\nyou seek pleasure + not self.\nthe inward turning of the worker kontrasts with the outward turning of the dancer.\n\n\n all days shall be holy to me - so once spoke the wisdom of my youth.\n verily the language of a joyous wisdom.\n \n but then did steal my nights, and sold them to sleepless torture\n\n and once did i wish 2 dance as i yet had never danced:\n beyond all heavens did i want to dance. then did you seduce my favorite minstrel\n\n only in the dance do i know how to speak the parables of highest things\n and now has my greatest parable remained unspoken in my limbs\n\n\none is one self.\n\n\n>matt@axia.demon.co.uk\n\n\ni hunger not for you.\nyou are but poor.\n\nnn\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n0\n0\n0\n\n\n\n\n || KORPORAT KR!EG MACHT 3k0R KUNST\n\n \n N[>] IMF - the International Meme Fund\n - shear pathway to the core. \n - promoting meme development. lokomotion. + reinvestment. \n - meme sekurity + meme transaktions. [>] \n\n|||||||||||||||||||||\nrekurrent exc!tat!on || \n||||||||eusocial.com\n\n ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? \n? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? pro satisfacer le metro ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? \n? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\n\n <\n 0\\ zve!te[z]!ztem\n \\1\n >\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"date": "Sun, 5 Aug 2001 23:40:29 +0200 (CEST)",
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"content": "\n\nallo\n\nyou are invited 2 01 private nn dinner.\nmay bring 01 other. flight + accommodations kompliments of nn.\n\nmay indikate if desirous of attending.\n\namicalement.nn\n\n\n\n",
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"date": "Mon, 6 Aug 2001 00:16:13 +0200 (CEST)",
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"content": "\n\nbo nn zo!r\nbo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r\nbo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r\nbo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r\nbo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r\nbo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r\nbo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r\nbo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo \nnn zo!r bo nn zo!r\nbo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo \nnn zo!r bo nn zo!r bo nn zo!r\n\nxerox!!!!!!\n\nnn will be hosting 01 formal + private dinner [somewhere in ost.europa]\nshould one [you +?] care to attend may indikate desire via ecdysone@eusocial.com\n\ntravel + akkomodations kompli.mints of nn [rich.bored + edukated da.da+da]\n\nmerc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! \nmerc! merc! merc! merc!\nmerc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc!\nmerc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc!\nmerc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc!\nmerc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc! merc!\nmerc! merc! merc! merc! merc!\nmerc! merc! merc!\nmerc!\n\n1001 asc!! gymast!kzzz\n\nxerox!!!!!!\n\nnn [01 ov zvrl zvrl zvrl\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n1001 ventuze.nn\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n pre.konssept!*n\n meeTz ver!f1kat!*n.\n \n \n \n -\n \n Netochka Nezvanova - eksplod!ng galax!ez + !nflaz!onar! un!versez\n \u0010f\u0010\u0010\u00103.MASCHIN3NKUNST\n @www.eusocial.org\n 17.hzV.tRL.478\n e\n |\n | +----------\n | | <\n \\\\----------------+ | n2t^P\n | \n e\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"subject": "Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \\n2+0\\ dz!ngz = bkom!ng > del!z!ouz @ 01 konkluz!e",
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"date": "Mon, 6 Aug 2001 00:33:13 +0200 (CEST)",
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"content": "\n\n\n>02. 08 6. 19101 @ 10.50.13 \n>eusocial.com \n>ip95-142.lostboys.nl \n\n\nlostgirls.nl \n\nok.nl?\n\n\nciao.nl\n\nnn.nl\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n /_/\n /\n \\ \\/ i should like to be a human plant\n \\/ __\n __/\n i will shed leaves in the shade\n \\_\\ because i like stepping on bugs\n\n\n\n *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--\n Netochka Nezvanova nezvanova@eusocial.com\n http://www.eusocial.com\n\n curbing the appetites of xy sinners since o.1978 \n [without resorting to pain. damnation + kapital punishment]\n though often called an illusion - i am true\n\n *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- --*--*--*--*--*--*--\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nhttp:art\n\nhttp://www.tzzt.com/\n\n\n\n\n\n\n http:art part of 242.microsoft - simply.SUPERIOR m9nd.fzzp\n http://www.eusocial.com/242.microsoft\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"content": "\n\n>Dear Netochka Nezvanova,\n>\n>Here is the Program Committee's report for your submission to cast01 -\n>\"NN - The Next Phase of Business Ethics\" - which has been accepted for publication as a\n>full paper in the conference proceedings.\n>\n\n\naltzo. ! uant 2 rent a body!!!!\n\necdysone@eusocial.com\n\n\nnn\n\n\n\n\n\n\n u uant 01 teazpoon ov zea green. zuzp!z!ouz !et v.appeal!ng l!ku!d +?\n\n order hier. experiment elsewhere.\n automation + purifikation - just.1.!blink\n\n\n\n\n /_/\n /\n \\ \\/ i should like to be a human plant\n \\/ __\n __/\n i will shed leaves in the shade\n \\_\\ because i like stepping on bugs\n\n\n\n*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--\nNetochka Nezvanova nezvanova@eusocial.com\n http://www.eusocial.com\n http://www.biohakc.com\n http://www.ggttctttat.com/!\nI am not Greta Garbo!!! http://steim.nl/leaves/petalz\n*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- --*--*--*--*--*--*--\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"subject": "Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \\n2+0\\ The Next Phase of Business Ethics",
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"content": "\n\n>Hello,\n>\n>How are you?This is .We met in Belfort last year.\n\n\nquuuuuuooo!!!! +? no. you may not order me by fone.\n\n\n\n>I`ll show my piece, , for SIGGRAPH2001 Art Show \n\nwhere 1 shops says a lot about one.\n\n\n\n>and I just\n\nn*\n\n*n\n\nn*\n\n\n>want to ask you if you have a plan to come to SIGGRAPH2001.\n\nno thing + no thing is less appealing than a bouquet of happy humans.\n\n\n\n>Raivo Kelomees \n>Interview with Steina Vasulka\n\nwhat a tousled tasteless toad.\n\n\n\n\n>???????????????????????????when is the dinner\n>where is ?????????????the dinner?????????????????????????\n>????????????what ????????????????is the ????????????????dinner????????????????????\n>who is n.n.???????????????????\n\ni am not tarkovski. I AM THE OCEAN !!!!!\n\n\n\nnn - playing with my brain cells. it's a ___... thrill.\n\n\n\n\n>\n>Bye,\n\n\n\n<Prefectural University of Desire\n\ni am dze ingenious unit entitled you.\n\n\n\n\n\n1001 ventuze.nn\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n pre.konssept!*n\n meeTz ver!f1kat!*n.\n \n \n \n -\n \n Netochka Nezvanova - eksplod!ng galax!ez + !nflaz!onar! un!versez\n \u0010f\u0010\u0010\u00103.MASCHIN3NKUNST\n @www.eusocial.org\n 17.hzV.tRL.478\n e\n |\n | +----------\n | | <\n \\\\----------------+ | n2t^P\n | \n e\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"content": "\n\n\n>i hope that you are so\n>\n>'rich.bored + edukated'\n>\n>to invite me ++ wear Ljubljana body\n\n\nhou 2 !dent!f! nn bod!ez - ljubljana body. berlin body. amsterdam body +?\n\n\n\n\nnn. - new york. milan. paris. londra. tokyo \n\n 01 ov dze mozt prestigious luxury brands [ops. bodies]\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n /_/\n /\n \\ \\/ i should like to be a human plant\n \\/ __\n __/\n i will shed leaves in the shade\n \\_\\ because i like stepping on bugs\n\n\n\n*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--\nNetochka Nezvanova nezvanova@eusocial.com\n http://www.eusocial.com\n http://www.biohakc.com\n http://www.ggttctttat.com/!\n n r . 5 !!! http://steim.nl/leaves/petalz\n*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- --*--*--*--*--*--*--\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"content": "\n>Dear friends!\n\ni uant 2 rustl ur leaves!!!!!\n\n\n>A new version of Karlheinz Essl's legendary \n \n nice tr! zn!!!!!!z eating.dressing.drinking.sleeping\n\n\ncan see that nn has aktivated the entrepreneur spirit in the .gov infanterie daaaaaa.\n$15 +? \n\n\nzn!!!!!sz \n\n\n\n\n>ambient sound scape \n\nambient .bioscape\n\n\nl!ke ur fun! face +?\n\ntake ur zpektaklz off. ! uant 2 z u.\n\n - 11.jpg\n - .zn!!!!!sz. \n\n\n>generator fLOW has just been released. Please find more information, \n>screenshots and download locations at:\n>\n> http://www.essl.at\n>\n>\n>About\n\nIf the art of storytelling has become rare, the\ndissemination of information has had a decisive share in this state of\naffairs. Every morning brings us the news of the globe, and yet we are\npoor in noteworthy stories. This is because no event any longer comes\nto us without already being shot through with explanation....it is half\nthe art of storytelling to keep a story free from explanation as one\nreproduces it. The most extraordinary things, marvelous things, are\nrelated with the greatest accuracy, but the psychological connection of\nthe events is not forced on the reader. It is left up to him to\ninterpret things the way he understands them, and thus the narrative\nachieves an amplitude that information lacks.\n\n\n>fLOW is a DSP computer program running on Apple Macintosh G3 \n>machines. It generates an ever-changing and never repeating \n>soundscape in real time that fills the space with flooding sounds \n>that resemble - metaphorically - the timbres of water, fire, earth, \n>and air. The new version fLOW 2.0 is released under the shareware \n>license. It allows registered users to include their own sound \n>material and to record the output to disk.\n>\n>\n>What's new?\n\nboredom is the dream bird that hatches the egg of\nexperience\n\n\n>* Completely rewritten user interface\n\nn*\n\n*n\n\nn*\n\n\n>* Improved audio engine\n>* New sound effects included\n>* Numerous enhancements and bug fixes\n\nhuman!tar!an ass!ztenza\n\n! = travel!ng 2 dze zpektakl !n 01 ambulanza!!!!!\nkom!ng +?\n\n\n\n>* Registered users can include their own sound material\n\ntraces of the storyteller cling to the story the way the handprints of\nthe potter cling to the clay vessel.\n\n\nl!ke ur fun! face +?\ndo u enjo! uear!ng propulz!v u!zkerz +?\n\n\n\n>* Registered users can record the output to disk\n\nlet me register your genes and rekord their output!!!!!!\n\n\n\n>System requirements\n\n\nsol+la. realtime streaming dna port[z] +?\nje ne sa!z paz.\n\n\nhttp://www.ggttctttat.com/depleted.uranium.internet.genome.sequencing/\n\n\n\n>* Apple PowerPC G3 with at least 16 MB of free RAM\n>* MacOS 8.6 or better (9.1 recommended)\n>\n>\n>Enjoy!\n\nplz b ku!k a +?\n! = hav uork 2 do + l!f 4rmz 2 z.\n\nnn. \n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"subject": "Syndicate: Re: fLOW 2.0 released!",
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"content": "\n\n\n>Station Rose <gunafa@well.com>\n>\n>> dear Gunafa Netizen,\n>>\n>>here is the new Fahrplan :\n>\n>\n>= man! hav b!n dze dreamerz d!zor!entd b! akurat mapz.\n>\n>\n>\n>>----------------------------------------------------------\n>>\n>>2.0 Multimedia artists still in prison - please sign the petition\n>>to free the participants of the Publix Theatre Caravan. Go to\n>>http://www.noborder.org/noprison\n\n\napropoz. parafraz!ng !nt!m@.z \n- free your mind and the rest shall follow [mozt ost.europa l!f 4rmz = hav 01 problm detekt!ng k!tsch \\ korn! data]\n\n\nfree your cells and the rest shall follow - ie. http://www.nobody.org/noborder\n\n\nwto = juuuuuzt konztrukt!ng 01 lrgr bod! [juzt l!ke m!] \ndont u l!ke 2 kooperate +? uh! prakt!kl! aver! neo.pozer presz releasz = s!ngz dze refra!n.\n\nalorz - uat part ov dze wto bod! ud u l!ke 2 b +?\n[zlkt bod! zekz!onz = mor dez!rabl +?]\n\nnn\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"content": "\n\nDear Netochka Nezvanova,\n\nCONGRATULATION\n\n\n i adore delicate discrimination\n\n\n\nYour paper/poster was comprehensively reviewed by at least 3 members of\nan international committee of experts in the field,\n\n i am an expert in everyology\n\n\n\naudience. Of the more than 400 submissions, the Program Committee\naccepted 30 for publication.\n\n\n more exigence++\n\n\n\n\nIt should not have an advertisemnet character.\n\n\n you do not like youth +?\n\n\n\n\nnn - it is not my fault. i am a book about dreams. ... and hier 01 bridge appears. \n\n cccare 2 cccros it +?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"date": "Mon, 6 Aug 2001 22:13:15 +0200 (CEST)",
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"content": "\n\nNetochka Nezvanova was once asked how she came to life Netochka Nezvanova\nthat shuddering depiktion of evolutionary forces of sex + sakrifice that forever altered\n21st century's perception of the silkworm. In her own inimitable way and through heavily \naccented English she replied happily: `I am the vessel through which Netochka Nezvanova passed`\n\nThis reply was the height of disingenuousness and brilliance. Of course Netochka Nezvanova\nadored her creation - at a stroke she has so stepped out of the accepted bounds of society's \nconventions that she prepared to disown it and let it merge with the elemental forces of nature.\n\n[lest you travel ahead of your cells - you aren t Netochka Nezvanova da]\n\n+ Now je sper you shall indulge the desire for corresponding with 01 particular one\nentitled Fyodor Mikhailovi?Dostoyevski\n\n\n\n\n\n\n sch\n\n sch\n\n\n sch\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n /_/\n /\n \\ \\/ i should like to be a human plant\n \\/ __\n __/\n i will shed leaves in the shade\n \\_\\ because i like stepping on bugs\n\n\n\n*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--\nNetochka Nezvanova nezvanova@eusocial.com\n http://www.eusocial.com\n http://www.biohakc.com\n http://www.ggttctttat.com/!\n http://steim.nl/leaves/\n\n the world ov plants is beautiful + imaginativ\n + thus .... my professional interest = me. \n*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- --*--*--*--*--*--*--\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"content": "\nIt's time to re-name the list I guess. Call it \"integer\" from now on.\nPerhaps some would prefer \"netochka\"? Oh what the heck ...\n\nAt 23:42 06.08.01 +0200, an entity wrote:\n>\n>Netochka Nezvanova was once asked how she came to life Netochka Nezvanova\n>that shuddering depiktion of evolutionary forces of sex + sakrifice that\nforever \n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "Inke Arns <inke@snafu.de>",
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"author_name": "Inke Arns",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \\n2+0\\ ",
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"to": "\"Inke Arns\" <inke@snafu.de>,\n \"Andreas Broeckmann\" <abroeck@transmediale.de>",
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"from": "\"geert\" <geert@basis.desk.nl>",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \\n2+0\\ ",
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"date": "Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:45:37 +1000",
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"content": "I'm in agreement with Inke. Embracing freedom of expression does not mean\nallowing one's space to be controlled by one dominant personality. (This\nwas the lesson learned the hard way by many radical groups in the '70s, and\ncontributed to their decline.) How is this so different from corporate\ncontrol?\n\nThe life is being sucked out of the list by NN's constant posts and the\nresponses they generate. I don't enjoy watching it die.\n\nJulie Blankenship\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "Julie <bluedahlias@mindspring.com>",
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"message-id": "<l03130301b79500adb9e8@[209.162.49.42]>",
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"author_name": "Julie",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \\n2+0\\",
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"date": "Mon, 6 Aug 2001 19:29:43 -0700",
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"content": "\nJulie <bluedahlias@mindspring.com>\n\n>I'm in agreement with Inke. \n\ni see a gate.\n\n\n>Embracing freedom of expression does not mean\n>allowing one's space to be controlled by one dominant personality. \n\nit is all 2 easy 2 imagine art.\n\n\n>(This\n>was the lesson learned the hard way by many radical groups in the '70s, and\n>contributed to their decline.) \n\nyou think more of what has been than what shall be.\ngated mistake. have you really lost the look of the prev dekade +?\n\n\n>How is this so different from corporate\n>control?\n\nuat !z !t u uash ur fasz !n +?\n\n\n>The life is being sucked out of the list by NN's constant posts and the\n>responses they generate. I don't enjoy watching it die.\n\n!n ordr 2 feel dze pa!n 01 muzt ekzper!ensz dze p!nch.\n\n\n>Julie Blankenship\n\ndansz - kome ca - http://www.membank.org/dataset/n/ur.look.mp3\n\nr u dream!ng or = dze mazk on ur face 01 ver!f!kaz!e du = azleep +?\ndo u ekz!zt or r u dze art ov 01 klandezt!n neo.naz! govrnmnt \\ mob akz!on +?\n\nmatrz du = muzt rezolv ur zelv b!enzur. \n1zt - uash dze fasz. dzn perzuad ur cellz 2 chaze dze look.\n\ndze zleep = !nfal!bl ma!z dze konverzaz!e = uorkx u!lzt 01 = ualkx along. + onl!\n\nnn. simply.SUPERIOR\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n pre.konssept!*n\n meeTz ver!f1kat!*n.\n \n \n \n -\n \n Netochka Nezvanova - eksplod!ng galax!ez + !nflaz!onar! un!versez\n \u0010f\u0010\u0010\u00103.MASCHIN3NKUNST\n @www.eusocial.org\n 17.hzV.tRL.478\n e\n |\n | +----------\n | | <\n \\\\----------------+ | n2t^P\n | \n e\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "integer@www.god-emil.dk",
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"message-id": "<200108070330.f773Unc58064@www.god-emil.dk>",
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"author_name": "integer",
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"subject": "???",
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"date": "Tue, 7 Aug 2001 05:30:49 +0200 (CEST)",
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"content": "\nJulie <bluedahlias@mindspring.com>\n\n\n>Embracing freedom of expression does not mean\n>allowing one's space to be controlled by one dominant personality. \n\nomitted : paraphrasing 01 .yu film\n\nmost life 4rms give lip service 2 freedom aber - when konfronted with \nthey suddenly bekome reactionary + ultra.fascistik\n\nentitling you 01 fascist +?\n\npas de tout = am entitling you art. \n[as most art - simply.laughable (unless u wash ur perzonal fasz komponent)]\n\n\n\n\nnn - simply.SUPERIOR\n\n\n\n\n\n\n pre.konssept!*n\n meeTz ver!f1kat!*n.\n \n \n \n -\n \n Netochka Nezvanova - eksplod!ng galax!ez + !nflaz!onar! un!versez\n \u0010f\u0010\u0010\u00103.MASCHIN3NKUNST\n @www.eusocial.org\n 17.hzV.tRL.478\n e\n |\n | +----------\n | | <\n \\\\----------------+ | n2t^P\n | \n e\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "integer@www.god-emil.dk",
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"message-id": "<200108070408.f7748WB58121@www.god-emil.dk>",
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"author_name": "integer",
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"subject": "???",
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"date": "Tue, 7 Aug 2001 06:08:32 +0200 (CEST)",
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"content": "<html><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC \"-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN\">\n<HTML><HEAD>\n<META http-equiv=Content-Type content=\"text/html; charset=iso-8859-1\">\n<META content=\"MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800\" name=GENERATOR>\n<STYLE></STYLE>\n</HEAD>\n<BODY bgColor=#ffffff>\n<DIV> </DIV>\n<DIV><FONT size=2>Dear Inke and Julie</FONT></DIV>\n<DIV><FONT size=2>i can't refrain tears of yoy reading your \nmessages!</FONT></DIV>\n<DIV><FONT size=2>Yes, let's stop NN,Nechvatova,Integer etc...before everybody \ngets definitely sick & tired by their brainless activism!</FONT></DIV>\n<DIV><FONT size=2>Arise citizens of Syndicate!!</FONT></DIV>\n<DIV><FONT size=2>I propose myself, even if living in distant Rome, to \nbe the Killer of the infamous bores!</FONT></DIV>\n<DIV><FONT size=2>Dressed as a Bogart/Forties/Noir/Killer i am ready to shoot \nhim/Her/Them to death with a thousand bullets!</FONT></DIV>\n<DIV><FONT size=2>Just give me the address!</FONT></DIV>\n<DIV><FONT size=2>Ciao</FONT></DIV>\n<DIV><FONT size=2>Lorenzo Taiuti</FONT></DIV>\n<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>\n<DIV> <FONT size=2>Inke and julie said</FONT></DIV>\n<DIV> </DIV>\n<DIV> </DIV>\n<DIV>It's time to re-name the list I guess. Call it \"integer\" from now \non.<BR>Perhaps some would prefer \"netochka\"? Oh what the heck ...<BR></DIV>\n<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>\n<DIV>I'm in agreement with Inke. Embracing freedom of expression does not \nmean<BR>allowing one's space to be controlled by one dominant personality. \n(This<BR>was the lesson learned the hard way by many radical groups in the '70s, \nand<BR>contributed to their decline.) How is this so different from \ncorporate<BR>control?<BR><BR>The life is being sucked out of the list by NN's \nconstant posts and the<BR>responses they generate. I don't enjoy watching it \ndie.<BR><BR>Julie Blankenship<BR><BR><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>\n\n</html>\n",
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"to": "<syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>",
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"from": "\"Lorenzo Taiuti\" <md3169@mclink.it>",
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"author_name": "Lorenzo Taiuti",
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"subject": "Syndicate: Dear Inke,Julie & the Integer Murder",
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"date": "Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:19:02 +0200",
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"content": "dear julie and all,\n\n> The life is being sucked out of the list by NN's constant posts and the\n> responses they generate. I don't enjoy watching it die.\nIs it really? And what life, if I may ask? Exclude all nn postings and then\nanalyse the content of the list. In the last seven days, excluding admin and\nnn, eleven people post something - most of postings are reply to nn. OK, it'\ns summer. However, can you (or anyone else) imagine something like Deep\nEurope, or Junction reader today? I don't think so.\nAs one of the legal aliens at the '96 n5m pre-syndicate meeting (one of the\nFirst Twenty, to paraphrase Kim Stanley Robinson) I also don't enjoy\nwatching what's going on with the list. If I remember correctly (it's\nquestionable, naturally) the list was created to 'serve' for two purposes.\nThe first one was creation of informational place/space for exchange of\nannouncements, reports, info on what happens; and the second one was to\ncreate a space/place for dialogues focused on the specific\nneeds/theories/practices of CEE/East Europe/Whatever art practitioners and\ntheoreticians. I am not a sociologist, and certainly will not made huge\nanalysis, but I will dare to say that the first idea is merely reduced to\nannouncements (with few exceptions), and the second one resting in peace. If\nwe compare syndicate with the nettime (one of the models for the initial\ngroup back in the '96), result is ruinous. And, although analogy is the\nworst possible method of proving, the beauty and the east conference was an\nattempt to re-define the nettime (put aside geert/pit quarrels), and perhaps\nit's time now to discuss the purpose and/or future of the syndicate also.\nAll this does not mean that I'm in favour of the extent of the nn postings,\nbut as someone said few months ago simple solution is to filter 'her'\nmessages. But, that will not eliminate, in my opinion, the problems with the\nsyndicate list, and I will be very joyful to see what other list members\nthink about it.\n\nciao\nigor\n\nReality is that which, when you stop believing in it, does not go away.\n-- Philip K. Dick\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"to": "<syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>",
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"id": "-1",
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"from": "\"Igor\" <igor@mi2.hr>",
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"author_name": "Igor",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \\n2+0\\",
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"date": "Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:27:01 +0200",
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"content": "\n\nDoesn't this play itself out repeatedly? The same problem? With nn? with\none or another participant? I came on to the list from 7-11 to read nn -\nby and large - s/h/e had left that list I believe; on the other hand, it's\nalso predictable - there is also little critique/discussion of h/e/r\npolitics for example - except by nn - it's locked in to a particular\nstyle/rhetoric - _it_ speaks literally 'in other words' - perhaps too many\nkorporates/fascisms - self-promotion in its absence - one can always\ndelete - one can also start a new thread/direction. nn is unique; the\nsymptom is everywhere - lists that close because of dominance - it can be\nan artform/production in itself. - everything needs renewal - universe is\ncoming to an end -\n\n-\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"to": "Igor <igor@mi2.hr>",
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"id": "-1",
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"from": "Alan Sondheim <sondheim@panix.com>",
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"message-id": "<Pine.NEB.4.33.0108071002530.13317-100000@panix3.panix.com>",
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"author_name": "Alan Sondheim",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \\n2+0\\",
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"date": "Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:09:02 -0400 (EDT)",
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"content": "Dear all,\nI agree with Igor concerning NN's postings. I will be simple: let NN\nalone, and be more creative on this list, so that NN is not so visible\nall the time.\n \nIgor wrote:\n> \n> dear julie and all,\n> \n> > The life is being sucked out of the list by NN's constant posts and the\n> > responses they generate. I don't enjoy watching it die.\n> Is it really? And what life, if I may ask?\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"id": "-1",
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"from": "Andrej Tisma <aart@eunet.yu>",
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"author_name": "Andrej Tisma",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \\n2+0\\",
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"date": "Tue, 07 Aug 2001 16:32:07 +0200",
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"content": "This is a forwarded message\nFrom: Karoly Toth <are@xs4all.nl>\nTo: Andrej Tisma <aart@eunet.yu>\nDate: Tuesday, August 07, 2001, 5:36:17 PM\nSubject: Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \\n2+0\\\n\n===8<==============Original message text===============\nHello Andrej,\n\nTuesday, August 07, 2001, 7:32:07 AM, you wrote:\n\nAT> Dear all,\nAT> I agree with Igor concerning NN's postings. I will be simple: let NN\nAT> alone, and be more creative on this list, so that NN is not so visible\nAT> all the time.\n \nAT> Igor wrote:\n>> \n>> dear julie and all,\n>> \n>> > The life is being sucked out of the list by NN's constant posts and the\n>> > responses they generate. I don't enjoy watching it die.\n>> Is it really? And what life, if I may ask?\nAT> -----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nAT> Syndicate network for media culture and media art\nAT> information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nAT> to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nAT> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nAT> the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n\nDear Andrej\n\n'If I read the word \"creativity\", I reboot my computer.'\n\nS.F.\n\n:)\n\n\n-- Best regards, Karoly\nmailto:are@xs4all.nl\n\nwww.xs4all.nl/~are\n\n===8<===========End of original message text===========\n\n\n\n-- \nBest regards,\n Karoly mailto:are@xs4all.nl\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"id": "-1",
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"from": "Karoly Toth <are@xs4all.nl>",
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"author_name": "Karoly Toth",
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"subject": "Fwd: Re[2]: Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \\n2+0\\",
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"date": "Tue, 7 Aug 2001 18:06:11 -0700",
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"content": "\nKia ora\n\nIs('nt) this list just telling its own story ? It? the first list I?e felt\nso intimately and integrally a part of, and for which I feel a rare kind of\ntolerance. Perplexing, given my habitual impatience. A half-decent shrink\nwould sort this one out faster than you can wink: the instinct's no doubt\nmaternal and/or just plain narcissistic... Naive hopes and beliefs perhaps\nthat something as alive as this bunch of people will keep managing to\ncommunicate forms and contents not encountered elsewhere. Perhaps also the\noccasional exhilaration of physical meetings of people whose words have\nmoved me, huge logs logging in amidst the pile of flotsam driftwood,\ncrashing into each other within the white spray white noise - back as usual\nto Te Parata, the ocean-bottom monster whose deep breathing moves and\nengenders the tides. Reins in the moon. These not-quite-chance crossings\nwhere a signature becomes a face and a voice and an outstretched hand and\nmore. Perhaps a hidden longing for parts and cultures of the world I?e\nnever been to but that are hugely determinant features of my mindscapes.\nIncluding those terrains Syndicate first rallied, the eastern part of the\ncontinent for we Western Europeans that always looked like a westward\njourney for we South Pacific drifters? The land of the black Malevich\nsquare, then the white one. The land of the Krasnoyarsk observatory with its\nfirst autonomous living system back in pre-biotope sixties. A few weeks ago\na meeting with an Armenian artist who? planning a film to conjure up the\narid mountain landscape her astronomer physicist father inhabited in virtual\nisolation for years, intent on pursuing the stars. Stalker time again. Why\nfor me did this feel like a Marko Peljhan installation, why like Melentie?\nhistorical back-tracking and remapping of still-torn territory, why like so\nmany snatches and figments of worlds gleaned from this list ? Things become\nvivid, vivacious when one disposes of an optical array to view them best.\nSyndicate? a part of that array for me (well shit, I mean, Kepler saw\ndouble and that changed history for most of us?).\n\nJust another bit of south-west French rambling from stormy grey skies,\nsalutations to Igor and others posing these devastatingly existentialist\nquestions about purpose and future (which give me a fair few sleepless\nknights also). Not happy not unhappy. The PubliXTheaterCaravan is weaving\nits way into the story too. Stinking socks and Pogo the dog. Hope they all\nget out OK. A ship of fools in the Trojan horse that got grounded in or out\nof Genoa. Kinship dammit. Kneading to know. As long as Syndicate feels close\nenough to smell the socks I think we?e doing OK.\n\nlove to all\n\nsjn\n\nsaintes\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"to": "<syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>",
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"id": "-1",
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"from": "\"Sally Jane Norman\" <norman@wanadoo.fr>",
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"message-id": "<000001c11f6a$19d74fa0$d924fac1@PORTABLEGIP>",
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"content-type": "text/plain",
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"author_name": "Sally Jane Norman",
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"subject": "Syndicate: purpose, future, and smelly socks",
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"date": "Tue, 7 Aug 2001 19:53:27 +0200",
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"content": "<html><!doctype html public \"-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en\">\n<html>\n \n<table BORDER=0 CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 COLS=1 WIDTH=\"100%\" >\n<tr>\n<td>Let's protect a soul-less machine that pisses everyone off!\n<p>What makes anyone think that the guys who created nn are gonna stop\nposting it?</td>\n</tr>\n\n<tr>\n<td>\n<br>No way - they are going to flog it, flog it, flog it, flog it, flog\nit, flog it,flog it, flog it...............until they come up with something\nelse less interesting/ less creative. Yet another product for some multinational\nconsumptive to use on people who these lists, as gineau pigs without their\nconsent. As usual. </td>\n</tr>\n\n<tr>\n<td>\n<br>Branding is the thing, creativity as far as they are concerned is not\nthe issue. Power - noise - conferences - self reference. Remember - they've\ndesigned a product. They do not give a shit about what you think and the\nissues that are being raised. And nor do their friends who know them...everyone\nwho argues against nn just ain't kool man, ain't part of the inner gang. </td>\n</tr>\n\n<tr>\n<td>\n<br>It's an elite thing - it will not change.</td>\n</tr>\n\n<tr>\n<td>\n<br>marc garrett</td>\n</tr>\n</table>\n</html>\n\n</html>\n",
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"to": "\"syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de\" <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>",
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"from": "furtherfield <info@furtherfield.org>",
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"author_name": "furtherfield",
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"subject": "Syndicate: nn boredom.......",
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"date": "Tue, 07 Aug 2001 18:57:45 -0700",
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"content": "On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Igor wrote:\n\n> If I remember correctly (it's\n> questionable, naturally) the list was created to 'serve' for two purposes.\n> The first one was creation of informational place/space for exchange of\n> announcements, reports, info on what happens; and the second one was to\n> create a space/place for dialogues focused on the specific\n> needs/theories/practices of CEE/East Europe/Whatever art practitioners and\n> theoreticians. I am not a sociologist, and certainly will not made huge\n> analysis, but I will dare to say that the first idea is merely reduced to\n> announcements (with few exceptions), and the second one resting in peace. If\n> we compare syndicate with the nettime (one of the models for the initial\n> group back in the '96), result is ruinous.\n\ni'm glad you brought this up, because i've been wondering this myself, as\na mostly-lurking subscriber on this list. maybe some discussion/clarification\nwould help, if there are others thinking about the same questions...\nwhat i've been wondering is - primarily in terms of the\nfirst purpose you mention of the list: how does/should syndicate differ from nettime?\n\nit seems to me that discussion threads on syndicate do arise with respect\nto eastern european political issues, and on that front, the discussions\non syndicate seem more personal than on nettime and with more interaction - so there i\ndo see the difference between the lists.\n\nhowever, with regard to other sorts\nof topics, e.g. art, cyberpolitics/culture etc., there seem to be announcements\nbut very little in terms of discussion threads going on.\n(except for the self-fulfilling \"too much attention to NN\" threads -\ndang, it's like trying not to scratch a rash, isn't it? ;-) )\n\nso anyway, sometimes when i have something to post i wonder,\n\"if i post this on both syndicate and nettime am i being redundant or\n(unintentionally) offtopic?\" so\nusually these days i'll post discussion-type posts more to nettime than\nsyndicate, not because\ni like nettime better, but because i'm less sure what fits in on syndicate\nand don't want to be redundant by attempting to start threads on both\nlists. (of course i realize that moderation is a big difference between\nthe two lists also.)\n\nbut i remember a couple years ago thinking that nettime lacked discussion\nthreads too - it seemed to be postings of essays and articles to which\nnobody ever responded. then somehow, that seemed to change, and\ndiscussion threads emerged, but i'm not sure how.\n\nso maybe we can clarify/discuss all that some?\n\nmeanwhile, to do my part and add some content to this otherwise \"meta\" post:\n\n<content>\n1) dmitry skylarov is now out of US prison on $50,000 bail awaiting trial.\nhowever, he is not allowed to leave northern california, and still faces\nprison if convicted of writing software at his job in russia: software which is legal\nin russia. for anyone who isn't familiar with the story, this bust comes to\ndmitry courtesy of Adobe corp, under the amazingly ludicrous US legislation DMCA,\nwhich is now being used as a model for \"anti-hacker\" legislation all over the\nworld.\nhttp://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/08/06/1941228&mode=thread\n\n2) this one may not have as many implications outside the US (i hope), but has had\nless press, so for those who missed it: David McOwen faces 15 years\nin prison and $415,000 in fines for participating in a distributed computing\nproject (sort of like seti@home but different) on machines he administered\nat his job at a public college in Georgia. essentially, the state of\nGeorgia is trying to bill him for time they spent working on prosecuting the case -\na shamelessly overt case of for-profit law enforcemnt.\nhttp://slashdot.org/yro/01/07/08/2153206.shtml\n\n3) the US government, in partnership with microsoft, overhyped the heck out\nof the \"code red\" worm.\nhttp://www.time.com/time/columnist/taylor/article/0,9565,169678,00.html\n(to be fair, above link is probably an overreaction in the other\ndirection, but... )\nhttp://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/08/03/1211229&mode=thread\n\n4) look for the US federal and state governments, and probably the local\ngovernment of wherever you live, to push through even more orwellian\nanti-cybercrime legislation\nin the very near future, in the name of stopping all these nasty hacker\nfolks like skylarov, mcowen, and [your name here?]\n\n</content>\n\nfeel free to start a discussion on any of the above. :-)\n\nciao for now,\n-@\n\n-- \nplagiarist.org\nRecontextualizing script-kiddyism as net-art for over 1/20 of a century.\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "Amy Alexander <plagiari@plagiarist.org>",
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"subject": "Syndicate: Re: The Multi-Missions of Syndicate (was [ot] [!nt] \\n2+0\\)",
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"content": "\n dear all. whats wrong with using the media to combat the media. if \"nn\" is part of the media then it runs the same risk of being judged like any annoying lame drivel or intelligent idea thats out there. i think it's admirable that the interger was ut off .i'm sick of the double standards of political correctness.i agree! it's so tiring to watch a good thing die. besides whats nn afraid of....silence?\n\n-- \n\n_______________________________________________\nGet your free email from http://mymail.av.iname.com\n\nPowered by Outblaze\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "\"Richard Kent Howie\" <ghostship@altavista.net>",
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"author_name": "Richard Kent Howie",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \\n2+0\\",
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"content": "At 04:32 PM 7/08/01 +0200, you wrote:\n>Dear all,\n>I agree with Igor concerning NN's postings. I will be simple: let NN\n>alone, and be more creative on this list, so that NN is not so visible\n>all the time.\n> \n\na.greed\n\n[also with alan and igor]\n\n][mez][\n\n\n\n\n\n\n \n. . .... .....\n \tnet.wurker][M.ollient][\n pro.ject.ile x.blooms.x .go.here. \n\t xXXx \n ./. \n www.hotkey.net.au/~netwurker\n.... . .??? .......\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "\"][M.ollient][\" <netwurker@hotkey.net.au>",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \\n2+0\\",
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"content": "On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Steev Hise wrote:\n\n>\n> in the service of creativity, here is a program i\n> wrote a few years ago, as a service to another\n> list that was being haunted by this same\n> poltergeist (tho back then it called itself\n> \"antiorp\"....):\n>\n> http://detritus.net/cgi-bin/hackspeak.cgi\n>\n\nthats great! kan !t translat oth3r way?\n\n(i.e. can you run integerspeak through it and get english? could be\nfun for unix users to try as a procmail filter - you could see how the\ncharacter of the list changes if NN posts start appearing in english...\nhmm... :-) )\n\n-B1FF\n(oops, i mean\n-@\n)\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"to": "Steev Hise <steev@detritus.net>",
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"from": "Amy Alexander <plagiari@plagiarist.org>",
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"author_name": "Amy Alexander",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: kreat!g@1!ty",
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"date": "Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:29:57 -0700 (PDT)",
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"content": "dear alan and all,\n\n> Doesn't this play itself out repeatedly? The same problem? With nn? with\n> one or another participant?\nproblem of lurking - problem of logorea - problem of group dynamics/power -\nhappens in all human relationships\n\n> - there is also little critique/discussion of h/e/r\n> politics for example - except by nn - it's locked in to a particular\nlittle discussion of (cultural/artistic) politics/policy generally - just\none example of missing reactions (nn and others, including myself) -\nemphasys and 'key-words' mine:\nAgricola de Cologne: Call for artists, 24. July 2001\n\"This however is not restricted to *uncivilized, totalitarian systems*, but\ncan\nbe found in countries with the *high moral standards of democratic systems*,\nas well.\" - amero/eurocentrism, californian ideology, american\nfundamentalism, wasp supremacy\n\"*Participation is free of charge.*\" organisers/artists relationship,\ncultural parasitism, subject/object - base/superstrucuture problem,\nindolence\n\n> style/rhetoric - _it_ speaks literally 'in other words' - perhaps too many\n> korporates/fascisms\nperhaps too few korporates/fascisms? - missing analysis/explanations in both\ncases\n\n> an artform/production in itself.\nviral form - no efficient vaccine - R.p.: just do not care, it's not\nharmfull\n\n> - universe is coming to an end -\nand starts again - and again - and again\n\nciao\nigor\n\nReality is that which, when you stop believing in it, does not go away.\n-- Philip K. Dick\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \\n2+0\\",
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"content": "dear sally and all,\n\nThanks for the one of the best postings to the list lately - can you do it\nagain?\n\n> Is('nt) this list just telling its own story ? It's the first list I've\nfelt\n> so intimately and integrally a part of\nThat's interesting phenomenon (for me, at least) - how people who are 'just'\nsubscribers with a very low rate of postings can feel strong commitment to\nthe list. Though you explain very brightly your dedication, I still\nwonder...\n\n> Just another bit of south-west French rambling from stormy grey skies,\n> salutations to Igor and others posing these devastatingly existentialist\n> questions about purpose and future (which give me a fair few sleepless\nPlease, I'm blushing.... however, I'd rather call it nihilist (in\nphilosophical sense, of course), let say posing the universal 'wozu'\nquestion... or just extrapolate my own middle age crisis....\n\n> As long as Syndicate feels close\n> enough to smell the socks I think we're doing OK.\nCan this be a proposal for a new fetish site/list? ;) To generate some money\nfor future activities - I can't find anything like that through google...\n\nReality is that which, when you stop believing in it, does not go away.\n-- Philip K. Dick\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: purpose, future, and smelly socks",
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"date": "Wed, 8 Aug 2001 11:49:41 +0200",
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"content": "dear richard and all,\n\n> dear all. what's wrong with using the media to combat the media. if \"nn\"\n> is part of\nthe catch is the old one - if you use ideology to combat ideology at the end\nyou have the same thing - oligarchic elite, counter-elite starving for power\nand, in general, indifferent masses. Point should be to find a new paradigm\n(or perhaps, to re-discover some old one), and syndicate, I still believe,\nmay be a research field.\nThe problem is not with the media itself, but with the policy of using it.\nTo illustrate on a nice example: in the discussion on realising GMOs as a\nresistance to the some forms of GMOs use: \"ethics is a generally useless\ndiscipline that exists within the context of and under the assumptions of\ncapitalism. Resistant forces have to make considerations and accept levels\nof accountability that are outside of the capitalist context, and in this\nsense are beyond ethics.\"\nJust change ethics into media, and discipline into, let say, resource\n\nciao\nigor\n\nReality is that which, when you stop believing in it, does not go away.\n-- Philip K. Dick\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \\n2+0\\",
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"content": "dear marc and all,\n\n>What makes anyone think that the guys who created nn are gonna stop posting\nWhy they should?\n\n>another product for some multinational consumptive to use on people who\nthese >lists, as gineau pigs without their consent. As usual.\nUnless gineau pigs (or mices) are not exploring the explorers...\n\n>They do not give a shit about what you think and the issues that are being\nraised. >And nor do their friends who know them...everyone who argues\nagainst nn just ain't >kool man, ain't part of the inner gang.\nIs that so different then 98 percent (or even more) of contemporary\nart/theory? Just browse thorough the academic journals in social\nsciences&humanities and the picture is the same.\n\n>It's an elite thing - it will not change.\nArt, even popular art, is elite thing - it will not change. Only problem is\nwhen 'elite' is synonym for 'snobs' - meaning selfproclame elite without\nsubstantiation.\n\nciao\nigor\n\nReality is that which, when you stop believing in it, does not go away.\n-- Philip K. Dick\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: nn boredom.......",
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"content": "\nDate: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 08:37:26 -0400\nFrom: saul ostrow <so5@nyu.edu>\nSubject: Re: Syndicate: concerning the Mosquitoe Integer \n\n> Dear all\n>\n> I do believe (for it has been my experience elsewhere) that such vermin as\n> these will migrate away if they come to be ignored -- they live on negative\n> attention and the desire of others to reason with them -- I personally ,\n> readily use my delete key at the mere sight of this tag\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: concerning the Mosquitoe Integer",
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"content": "\n Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:44:18 +0200\n From: majordom@eg-r.isp-eg.de\n Subject: UNS*BSCRIBE syndicate integer@www.god-emil.dk\n\n --\n\n integer@www.god-emil.dk has uns*bscribed from syndicate.\n No action is required on your part.\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"content": "\nIf anyone is interested, the source code for the\ncgi i posted yesterday is here:\n\nhttp://datamassage.com/sw/opencode/hackspeak.cgi\n\nPerhaps someone will be interested in the project Amy\nsuggested: reversing the functionality for use as a mail\nfilter, auto-translating NN missives. Although as I said to\nAmy, it's much harder to run the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics\nbackwards. (If you do succeed at this, please send me a\npatch!)\n\n->From: Julie <bluedahlias@mindspring.com>\n->I decided I'd had enough when I filtered out NNs messages, and there was\n->almost virtually nothing else coming in. I couldn't believe that others\n->were parroting her cryptic bullshit language. Those who want to correspond\n->with NN can do it easily (off -list), I'm sure. Time to move on...\n\nare you talking about my poor little perl script? if so,\nmadam, you injure me. it was a **joke**. perhaps you lack a\nsense of humor? i hope not, that would be sad... ;-(\n\nAnyway, i've been putting up with integer for about 6 years\nnow on 5 or 6 different lists. (believe me, i have no desire\nto correspond with it off-list.) i hate it as much as you\nseem to, but i know that it will never be stopped simply by\nplain old whining. i've seen hundreds of flamewars that\nstart with 1 post from integer, and end with 50 posts from\npeople complaining (and complaining stupidly) about\ninteger, mixed with about 50 posts from people defending\ninteger. if people would just ignore it, or at least attack\nit with some cleverness, it would go away, but they never\ndo, and it gets exactly what it wants - naive attention.\n\n->The air smells sweet this morning. Thank you, Inke, for uns*bscribing\n->integer--it's an act of courage, striking a blow for intellectual and\n->artistic freedom.\n\nWhat an ironic thing to say. (perhaps \"blow for\" is meant\nto read \"blow against\"?) I beleive censorship is also\nthe wrong course. Even if it were ethically correct, the\ncreature will just come back under a different name, now\nwith more to rant about, that we are \"oppressing\" it, etc.\n\nsigh.\n\nbest wishes,\n\nSteev Hise, Infoserf\nsteev@detritus.net\t http://detritus.net/steev\n*Recycled Culture: detritus.net\n*Record Store: southtothefuture.com\n*Progressive radio sketches: radioluchalibre.com\n*Watching power flow: capitalletters.detritus.net\n*Democratic sound collage generator: soundbakery.detritus.net\n *** sig almost over ***\n-----------------------------------------------------------------\n\"The computer and its content are not independent of each other.\"\n -Nicholas Negroponte\n-----------------------------------------------------------------\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"author_name": "Steev Hise",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: A \"bouqu3t\"",
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"date": "Wed, 8 Aug 2001 09:12:51 -0700 (PDT)",
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"content": "\nhallo\n\nto andreas + inke.\n\ni have already contacted the .it authorities.\nyour names and contact have been mentioned as well.\n\ni would like an explanation prior to contacting .de authorities \nand your employers and .de funding bodies.\n\nto both of you. you should be ashamed of your selves.\n\nsalut. nn\n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"to": "abroeck@transmediale.de, inke@snafu.de, syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de",
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"from": "integer@www.god-emil.dk",
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"message-id": "<200108090116.f791GdI62385@www.god-emil.dk>",
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"author_name": "integer",
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"subject": "???",
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"date": "Thu, 9 Aug 2001 03:16:39 +0200 (CEST)",
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"content": "[Subject: BOUNCE syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de: Admin request of type \n/\\buns\\w*b/i at line 8]\n\nDate: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 12:35:40 -0400 (EDT)\nFrom: Alan Sondheim <sondheim@panix.com>\nTo: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nSubject: nn\n\n\nI personally regret - tremendously - nn's leaving the list. I never wanted\nthat to happen, only for others to participate more. nn is one of the most\noriginal writers online - with a definite point of view as well as soft-\nware that relates to it - and I have learned a great deal from h/er/im. I\ndo feel the politics were problematic, but so are mine. And it's certainly\nnot a blow for artistic freedom to uns*b someone; I know this first-hand\nsince I co-moderate a number of lists (Cybermind, Cyberculture, etc.), and\nuns*bbing - which I've had to do - is always problematic.\n\nAlan\n\nInternet text at http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt\nPartial at http://lists.village.virginia.edu/~spoons/internet_txt.html\nTrace Projects at http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "Syndicate admin <syndicate@v2.nl>",
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"message-id": "<997352674.3b7264e2e9934@www.v2.nl>",
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"author_name": "Syndicate admin",
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"subject": "Syndicate: Sondheim: nn",
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"date": "Thu, 09 Aug 2001 12:24:34 +0200 (CEST)",
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"content": "\n>>explain zvp\n>>\n>>nn \n>\n>repeated bad netiquette, thats why\n\nhow very xy articulate\n\n\n>\n>on behalf of syndicate admin team\n>atle\n\n\nfascism costs careers\n\nnn\n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"to": "abroeck@transmediale.de, syndicate@v2.nl",
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"from": "integer@www.god-emil.dk",
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"message-id": "<200108091526.f79FQmx63416@www.god-emil.dk>",
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"author_name": "integer",
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"subject": "???",
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"date": "Thu, 9 Aug 2001 17:26:48 +0200 (CEST)",
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"content": "\n\n\nplease inform those on syndicate they should be corresponding with you \nrather than me.\n\n\nnn\n\n\n\n",
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"from": "integer@www.god-emil.dk",
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"message-id": "<200108091531.f79FVLu63435@www.god-emil.dk>",
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"author_name": "integer",
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"subject": "mail abroeck@transmediale.de, syndicate@v2.nl",
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"date": "Thu, 9 Aug 2001 17:31:21 +0200 (CEST)",
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"content": "Grtz Marc, George, syndicalists, \n\n\nDoesn't the same apply to NN? I thought of the NN posts as a bit\nlike street theatre.. whereas anti-orp was more like a mime, \nNN sort of used the list as a public space for interventions...\nkind of a playful anarchy? \n\ndiana \n\n\n> once it is muffled - of course there are always issues at hand. But we\n> all have to suffer advertisements against our wills, why not visuals\n> on the street that are merely proposing its sense of being just by\n> being real in its raw essence, by being there as part of life. True\n> creativity can flourish via a playful anarchy, like underground music.\n> Oh well, we'll just have to settle for the trad garb of accepted arts,\n> top of the pops mentality instead then. Where's the fun adventure in\n> that?\n \n> with respect\n> marc garrett\n> http://ww.furtherfield.org\n> http://www.dido.uk.net\n> \n> \"George(s) Lessard\" wrote:\n> \n> > Graffiti project scrubbed\n> > By: JOHN MACFARLANE The Gazette\n> > The city of Montreal's love-hate relationship with graffiti\n> > continues with\n> > the shutdown of a mural project and a warning that building owners\n> > might\n> > be the next victims of the mayor's war on spray paint. Last\n> > Wednesday,\n> > city administrators closed Montreal's contribution to the Great\n> > Canadian\n> > Millennium Wall project on the Park-Pine interchange, where artists\n> > had\n> > been decorating the concrete since the spring. Things got out of\n> > control,\n> > said Councillor Anie Samson. Full story:\n> > http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/pages/010807/5048411.html\n> >\n> > :-) Message Ends; George(s) Lessard's Keywords Begin (-:\n> > Freelance Media Arts, Management, Training, Mentoring & Consulting\n> > On line: Internet / Workshops / Research / Presence / Content /\n> > On location: TV / Radio / Production / ENG / EFP / Editing\n> > Interests: Access / Activism / Communities / Cultures / Arts\n> > Resume and more @ http://members.tripod.com/~media002\n> > Queries / Offers / Patronage /\n> > Commissions should be sent to\n> > media@web.net\n> > Rostered Volunteer UNV# 120983 & CESO/SACO VA# 11799\n> >\n> > -Caveat Lector- Disclaimers, NOTES TO EDITORS\n> > & (c) information may be found @\n> > http://members.tripod.com/~media002/disclaimer.htm\n> > Because of the nature of email & the WWW,\n> > please check ALL sources & subjects.\n> > - 30 -\n> > -----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\n> > Syndicate network for media culture and media art\n> > information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\n> > to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\n> > to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\n> > the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "Diana McCarty <diana@vifu.de>",
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"message-id": "n/a",
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"author_name": "Diana McCarty",
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"subject": "Syndicate: Re: Syndicate's love-hate relationship with NN ",
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"date": "Fri, 10 Aug 2001 21:34:29 +0200",
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"content": "Dear Jaka,\n\nAt 19:23 11.08.01 +0200, you wrote:\n>i looked at Syndicate archive and there are several files with 'wrong'\n>file permissions so you get something like that:\n>\n>Forbidden\n>You don't have permission to access /mail/v2east/1999/Mar/0026.html on\n>this server.\n\nthis is correct. the syndicate archive does not allow access to the\npostings between march 1999 until may or june 1999 because of the then\nongoing NATO bombings. we decided to disable access to these postings (btw:\nwe decided upon this collectively) in order to protect the originators of\ncertain postings.\n\nperhaps we should discuss about whether to re-open the archive in its\nentirety?\n\nbest wishes,\ninke\n\n\n\n- http://www.v2.nl/~arns/\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"to": "syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de",
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"id": "-1",
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"from": "Inke Arns <inke@snafu.de>",
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"message-id": "<3.0.3.32.20010812130625.008e4e90@pop.snafu.de>",
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"author_name": "Inke Arns",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: for wbmaster",
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"date": "Sun, 12 Aug 2001 13:06:25 +0200",
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"content": "> \n> this is correct. the syndicate archive does not allow access to the\n> postings between march 1999 until may or june 1999 because of the then\n> ongoing NATO bombings. we decided to disable access to these postings (btw:\n> we decided upon this collectively) in order to protect the originators of\n> certain postings.\n\nWhy that ? Are you ashamed that majority on this list supported the\ncriminal NATO act? Also ashamed that majority supported the Albanian\nKLA, and look what is happening now in Macedonia. The same thing as with\nYugoslavia i 1999. Will you also erase one day, after the NATO\noccupation of Macedonia, this period March 2001 -? You should think\nabout that decision.\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"to": "syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de",
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"id": "-1",
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"from": "Andrej Tisma <aart@eunet.yu>",
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"message-id": "n/a",
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"author_name": "Andrej Tisma",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: for wbmaster",
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"date": "Sun, 12 Aug 2001 22:11:42 +0200",
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"content": "\nDate: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 14:35:55 +0200\nFrom: jaromil <jaromil@dyne.org>\nTo: integer@www.god-emil.dk, nettime-l@bbs.thing.net, syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de\nSubject: Re: casual moments. distant _+ aloof\n\nOn Sat, Aug 11, 2001 at 01:39:18PM +0200, integer@www.god-emil.dk wrote:\n> \n> \n> crowds of silent voices whisper in our ears \n> transforming the nature of what we see and hear.\n\n[snip]\n\ndear lady,\n\nplease don't include me anymore into your spam. i'm taking care to be not\ninscribed in any mailinglist hosting your spam-ads, so i find very curious now\nthat you feel such a necessity to reach me with the bizantin ad of your \ncorporation.\n\nbtw, greetings to your capitalist mecenate wherever he is. sincerely, i hope\nyou can keep on complaining always so loud about being censored, but not on my\npersonal mail address.\n\n-- \njrml ..//korova.dyne.org\n6EEE 4FB2 2555 7ACD 8496 AB99 E2A2 93B4 6C62 4800\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"to": "?",
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"from": "Syndicate admin <syndicate@v2.nl>",
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"message-id": "<997719569.3b77fe112b03a@www.v2.nl>",
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"author_name": "Syndicate admin",
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"subject": "Syndicate: Re: casual moments. distant _+ aloof",
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"date": "Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:19:29 +0200 (CEST)",
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"content": "\n----- Forwarded message from syndicate-owner@eg-r.isp-eg.de -----\nDate: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 23:41:04 +0200\nFrom: syndicate-owner@eg-r.isp-eg.de\nReply-To: syndicate-owner@eg-r.isp-eg.de\nSubject: BOUNCE syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de: Admin request of type /\n\\buns\\w*b/i at line 8\nTo: syndicate@v2.nl\n\nDate: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 23:42:52 +0200\nTo: syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de\nFrom: Frederic Madre <fmadre@wanadoo.fr>\nSubject: Re: Syndicate: for wbmaster (repost)\nCc: integer@www.god-emil.dk\n\n\n>perhaps we should discuss about whether to re-open the archive in its\n>entirety?\n\nit's an important documentation of an important moment in this here history and\nshould be reopened.\n\nperhaps we should also discuss something else, but first:\ndid the admins unsb netochka or did she do it herself ?\n\nthis is unclear to me because I was offline for a few days\n\nlater,\nf.\n\n-----end of forwarded message-----\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"author_name": "Syndicate admin",
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"subject": "Madre: Re: Syndicate: for wbmaster (repost)",
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"date": "Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:02:12 +0200 (CEST)",
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"content": "\nDate: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 23:42:52 +0200\nTo: syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de\nFrom: Frederic Madre <fmadre@wanadoo.fr>\nSubject: Re: Syndicate: for wbmaster (repost)\n\n>did the admins uns*b netochka or did she do it herself ?\n\nnn was uns*bscribed by Syndicate admin. \n\nSyndicate admin had an agreement with nn when Syndicate admin s*bscribed nn \nsome months ago. back then nn promised to Syndicate admin to behave herself. it \nwent fine in the first weeks / months. unfortunately, she lost control of \nherself again.\n\nbtw: nn would never either s*bcribe nor un*bscribe by herself, she doesn't seem \nto like majordomo.\n\nSyndicate admin thinks that it would be a great idea for nn to open up her own \nlist [integer]. surely many people would like to s*bscribe.\n\nsincerely,\n\nInke Arns\nfor the Syndicate admin team\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"author_name": "Syndicate admin",
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"subject": "Re: Madre: Syndicate: for wbmaster (repost)",
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"date": "Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:46:24 +0200 (CEST)",
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"content": "At 18:29 13.08.01 +0200, Jaka wrote:\n>I liked most of NN mails.\n\nme too.\n\n>Where are clearly written rules of the syndicate game? And if syndicate\n\nthere are some basic rules for games and mailing lists.\n\n>is really non hierarchic 'society' of equal members (which i understood\n>from different presentations of S.)\n\ndear jaka, let me be cynical for one moment: regarding WORK the Syndicate\nmailing list is definitely NOT a non-hierarchic 'society' of equal members.\nhow many times have I called for more support concerning the administration\nof the list? How few answers did i receive? (and I am not going to repeat\nthe joke about the paid job ;) \n\ni am not ready to administrate a mailing list which is called \"[integer],\nformerly known as Syndicate\". \n\nif there are so many people eager to receive e-mails from integer -- why\ndon't you suggest to nn to install her own mailing list? or, even better,\nas she would never deal with majordomo herself: why don't you install a\nmailing list for her?\n\nperhaps I would even subscribe myself, who knows?\n\n>Is there no other solution to deal with different wishes about\n>moderation, something like on Rhizome with 'raw' and 'digest'. I found\n>this more intelligent solution than to ban people.\n\nthis is a very good idea, Jaka! Now we only have to find somebody who would\nrun such a \"Syndicate raw\" list. Perhaps you (or somebody else) would like\nto volunteer?\n\nSincerely,\nInke\n\n\n\n- http://www.v2.nl/~arns/\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "Inke Arns <inke@snafu.de>",
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"message-id": "<3.0.3.32.20010813193207.00ab4a70@pop.snafu.de>",
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"author_name": "Inke Arns",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _NN - what happend?",
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"date": "Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:32:07 +0200",
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"content": "\nDate: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 00:13:53 +0200\nFrom: syndicate-owner@eg-r.isp-eg.de\nReply-To: syndicate-owner@eg-r.isp-eg.de\nSubject: BOUNCE syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de: Admin request of type /\n\\buns\\w*b/i at line 3\nTo: syndicate@v2.nl\n\nDate: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 00:07:03 +0200\nFrom: Jaka Zeleznikar <jaka@jaka.org>\nOrganization: http://www.jaka.org\nTo: syndicate <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nSubject: _NN - what happend?\n\n\nI was unsubscribed from the Syndicate for approximately a month because\ni went to travel in Turkey (and i recommend traveling in Turkey very\nmuch + they have a lot of cybercafes but i just wished to be off line\nall the time).\n\nWhen i returned and subscribed again i found a lot of mails against NN\nand if i understood correctly NN was removed from Syndicate by\nadministrators?\n\nIf this is correct i protest.\n\nWhy censorship?\n\nI never saw a notice how to make a mail filter so those who don't like\nNN postings can joust automatically get rid of them.\n\nI liked most of NN mails. They were very precise and strict regarding\nown 'ideology', interesting in design and with very nice language-game\ninvolved. Done by 'hand' of by computer program i don't care.\n\nWas NN not politically/syndicate correct? Who else is not syndicate\ncorrect? Will administrators ban another person? When and why?\n\nIs wrong to post things like that:\n\n e R l a e o a i j a v i i \nm o s j l o a s i t f e i e i \ne ? b h o . e e g n n j o r z n v \ns e t i p n a ? j a n d e i j \ne v n o i p r s r e g n d a s \nt / e t i o n v m g t t o u i o \nv o n s k i n z i n m j o v b \nd o u o g u o \n ? n a ( D ) A e s n r l b k r n z e n e p s b n , v l k e o p\nz r o t e m a a a t r c o v t l u i g a i n m z l d n t h i\nn r z i n s i s b n o p e l d o i a n , p e o n v o a t r k \ns e s o l n j o a e n a i , k e l s e e i u - b s d l e s s a\nl e o p r n i u m e e i e p e o p v z v p e l d o o p r p e n m\ni t r e n k m d d t i i o , k d u i e a s o d p l j j ? m p g a j m\na i k d d t i k i o n m i i a n m i f r a i a , k s o n e e i o\nd p l j j j n n d r j j j . \n k C k d G o i m l o e i e o r \no n i d v i p e a d r ? u g u n \ni e b t V i s r e z s p a o o \nt k i o d n n i t m j e o t \nj p c ? n k o a r e i k l i \nn n s a m r r m m k o n o l e \nl a m l v v l o c m i n o s l \no n e i a a e \n\n\nor is it wrong to post 'to much'?\n\nWhere are clearly written rules of the syndicate game? And if syndicate\nis really non hierarchic 'society' of equal members (which i understood\nfrom different presentations of S.) who made a decision to ban somebody?\n\nI dint's saw mails to ban some people who made some stupid and insulting\nremarks of NN.\n\nIs there now a special state of mind required to be on syndicate list?\n\nIs there no other solution to deal with different wishes about\nmoderation, something like on Rhizome with 'raw' and 'digest'. I found\nthis more intelligent solution than to ban people.\n\n\nIf i got something wrong and i insulted somebody i apologize.\n\njaka zeleznikar\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"subject": "Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _NN - what happend?",
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"date": "Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:29:22 +0200 (CEST)",
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"content": ">Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 23:42:52 +0200\n>From: Frederic Madre <fmadre@wanadoo.fr>\n>\n>perhaps we should also discuss something else, but first:\n>did the admins usb netochka or did she do it herself ?\n>\n>this is unclear to me because I was offline for a few days\n\nthe admins usbd it. do you need reasons?\n\ngreetings,\n-a\n\nps: as a lubricant, somebody could install a list that takes the content\nfrom the syndicate list and that is open for reactions by nn; everybody\ninterested in receiving nn's msgs could then sb to this new list and get\nthe regular, cleansed, korporat fascist version plus the poetic\ninterventions by the anti-fascist. the NATO.fascists who prefer not to read\nher can stick with the list as it is, stifled by murderous (!!) censors.\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "Andreas Broeckmann <abroeck@transmediale.de>",
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"author_name": "Andreas Broeckmann",
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"subject": "Re: Madre: Re: Syndicate: for wbmaster (repost)",
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"date": "Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:38:19 +0200",
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"content": "At 20:38 13/08/2001 +0200, Andreas Broeckmann wrote:\n>do you need reasons?\n\nsince you ask\nyes\n\n>ps: as a lubricant, somebody could install a list that takes the content\n>from the syndicate list and that is open for reactions by nn; everybody\n>interested in receiving nn's msgs could then sb to this new list\n\nI take this proposition at face value and strip off the emotive decoration off\nand my opinion is that this is not how a list works. it is a discussion\nas you, of course, very well know.\n\nf.\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "Frederic Madre <fmadre@wanadoo.fr>",
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"author_name": "Frederic Madre",
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"subject": "Syndicate: (repost)",
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"date": "Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:39:41 +0200",
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"content": "dear jaka,\n\ni was away for 2 weeks and actually considered leaving the list because it\nbecame utterly useless and unreadable for me. i must admit that i was\nrelieved to find the situation as it is now. the insults about me that nn\nis posting to people it thinks are my superiors are enough for anybody to\npush the red button, if you ask me.\n\n>Why censorship?\n\nwe have had this discussion before, and i just want to make my own point\nonce again, other points have been made by others for months, fuelling nn's\nviral motor. i'd rather shut up and put on the breaks.\n\nmost importantly:\n1. create the free-syndicate@jaka.org now!\n2. sb it to the syndicate list!\n3. invite nn and the nn fanclub to leave the syndicate list and join this\nnew list!\n4. enjoy the full, integer-ated syndicate pleasure!\n\n>I dint's saw mails to ban some people who made some stupid and insulting\n>remarks of NN.\n\ni would be curious to see messages that have been anywhere near the level\nof insult that nn usually produces.\n\n>Is there now a special state of mind required to be on syndicate list?\n\nfor me, a mailing list is a social space that requires a certain attitude\nwhich is also necessary in any other social environment - you listen to\nother people, you only SHOUT when absolutely necessary, you respect the\npositions of others, you tell about your own ideas and give others the room\nto talk about their's. the syndicate list has, for over 5 years, been a\nmellow, sometimes boring, sometimes highly active channel which has allowed\na multitude of people to announce their projects, get in touch with each\nother, meet, play, love, ..., each other. for me, part of the quality of\nthis channel has been that it has always been open and unmoderated - even\nthough some people have put a lot of effort into keeping it running. like\nmany others, i feel attached to the list and the community behind it, and\nyou will understand that it was a strange thing to see it being taken over\nby nn in the course of six months or so. the volume of her messages is\nunmanageable. the quality is, as others have suggested, mixed, the tone at\ntimes - difficult to take. i don't like filters. i like this list because\nit makes sense for me to listen to all the different voices. i don't want\nto censor what comes through. at the same time, i ask for some sort of\nrespect for my position as somebody who is also on this list. this implies\nnot being shouted at all the time. it more importantly implies not being\nspat on and insulted for writing this message. it implies not seeing\nmessages that call me a criminal, a murderer, nn writing to people saying\nthat she has to leave germany because she has received a death threat from\nme, inke and lorenzo. give me a break. either she is a virtual persona, in\nwhich case she should better understand her digital nature, or she is a\nperson with the illusion of a physical body like myself, in which case she\nshould maybe seek some professional help.\n\nthe requirements for being on this list are pretty limited, you will agree.\nbut i find it hard to believe that you would not also call nn's\nlist-behaviour 'extreme'. i understand the point about a total freedom of\nspeech, which is why i would have left the list and started something new,\nrather than having to endure the integer-ated syndicate. but i cannot deny\nthat i am happier now.\n\ni really suggest that you start another list and study the dynamics of nn's\ncommunication; you would even enjoy it. if this list get's so boring that\nthe last of the 480 subscriber leaves, we'll delete the piece of software\nthat it really is. until then, let's doodle on.\n\ngreetings,\n-a\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "Andreas Broeckmann <abroeck@transmediale.de>",
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"author_name": "Andreas Broeckmann",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _NN - what happend?",
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"date": "Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:57:34 +0200",
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"content": "folks,\n\n>in the case of nn, this was never discussed per se\n>and if it was, a rough count from my rapidly ticking off neurons doesn't\n>yield a lot of yeahs\n\non the list, yes, offlist, no. i got a fair amount of private messages, but\ni feel strongly that they should have gone to the list.\n\nannick, anke, and others: you *have to* voice your opinion *on* the list; i\nhave no time nor energy to stick my head out like this again and again for\na silent mass. if fred and jaka and andrej are the opinion leaders here, an\ninteger-ated syndicate list is what you will get. i promise. like eric, i\nwill leave and look for other, more bearable venues. no big deal, but\neverybody who cares should take responsibility for where this list is going.\n\n\n>anyway, it was stated earlier that the kosovo archives were shut down\n>after a discussion on the list\n>I don't remember that I was for this decision but nonetheless accept it\n\nthis is a different issue and i agree that the archive should be reopened.\n\n\ngreetings,\n-a\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "Andreas Broeckmann <abroeck@transmediale.de>",
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"author_name": "Andreas Broeckmann",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: Re: what happend?",
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"date": "Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:35:11 +0200",
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"content": "> \n> annick, anke, and others: you *have to* voice your opinion *on* the list; i\n> have no time nor energy to stick my head out like this again and again for\n> a silent mass. if fred and jaka and andrej are the opinion leaders here, an\n> integer-ated syndicate list is what you will get. \n\nIs this why you are silencing me on this list, and why you didn't\npublish my comment on Integer case yesterday evening? You silence Kosovo\nopinions, you silence Integer opinions, where is your \"openness\"?\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "Andrej Tisma <aart@eunet.yu>",
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"author_name": "Andrej Tisma",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: Re: what happend?",
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"date": "Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:54:02 +0200",
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"content": "At 20:57 13/08/2001 +0200, Andreas Broeckmann wrote:\n>relieved to find the situation as it is now. the insults about me that nn\n>is posting to people it thinks are my superiors are enough for anybody to\n>push the red button, if you ask me.\n\nthey came because of her removal\nnot the reverse\n\n>i would be curious to see messages that have been anywhere near the level\n>of insult that nn usually produces.\n\ncome on...\n\nanyway, it was stated earlier that the kosovo archives were shut down after a discussion on the list\nI don't remember that I was for this decision but nonetheless accept it\n\nin the case of nn, this was never discussed per se\nand if it was, a rough count from my rapidly ticking off neurons doesn't yield a lot of yeahs\n\nin short, I wish nn reinstalled on the list, thank you\n\nf.\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "Frederic Madre <fmadre@wanadoo.fr>",
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"message-id": "<4.2.2.20010813213405.01d210b8@pop.wanadoo.fr>",
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"author_name": "Frederic Madre",
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"subject": "Syndicate: Re: what happend?",
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"date": "Mon, 13 Aug 2001 21:43:41 +0200",
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"content": "dear syndicalists,\n\nIn recent times it has become increasingly unclear for me what the value\nwas of continuing the syndicate list. In my experience this project was\nstarted in the aftermath of the many social, political and cultural changes\nin Europe after the fall of the iron curtain and the berlin wall. Syndicate\nwas established to promote east <> west exchange and co-operation in the\nfields of media art and media culture. The specific nature of the syndicate\nlist was to take into account the regional specificities and the defining\ncharacteristics of the political and social context of media art and media\nculture in the countries that were formerly ruled by socialist / communist\nregimes in one form or another.\n\nOne of the really important questions on the table was how to formulate an\nalternative discourse to the traditional capitalist / anti-capitalist\nnarratives that pervaded social, political and cultural debates about the\n*east/west* relationship. The next was to get away from the East / West\ndichotomy altogether and find new connecting threads to talk about art,\nculture, politics and society in Europe after the revolutionary changes of\nthe late eighties and beginning nineties.\n\nMedia play an essential role in defining, appropriating and proliferating\nthese discourses, narratives and cliches. The worst one no doubt is the\ndiscourse of *transition, assuming the victory of the capitalist world and\nseeing the neo-liberal ideology as the only possible outcome, yes indeed\nthe end, of history. Instead we saw the inevitable return of history,\nthroughout the countries and regions represented on the list, and we lived\nthrough hope and tragedy in a tiny little community. Meetings felt like\nfamily gatherings, and the nucleus that syndicate offered to start new\npan-European discourses about media, art, culture and politics and society\nfor a long time seemed invaluable to me.\n\nIn the last year or so I saw the essence of the list get lost in a cloud of\nconfused autistic ascii experiments that had really nothing to do with the\ninitial character of the list. Of course things can change and move in a\ndifferent direction. I was ready to leave the list and consider it a\nbeautiful, productive and enriching period of my life, when syndicate was\none of the most inspiring fora of debate in Europe about all these topics\nin relation to media culture and media art, but which at long last had come\nto an end.\n\nPerhaps this is the moment when things can take a new turn again, and\nsomething of the list's original character may be redeemed. Not for\nnostalgia, but simply because I believe that questioning the construction\nof new cultural, social and political discourses around \"Project Europe\",\nin particular in relation to contemporary media culture and media art is as\nurgent as ever.\n\nIf syndicate can once again become a forum where the contradictions of the\neuropean project can be made visible, and where alternative media\ndiscourses and practices can germinate, I will be a very happy member of\nit. If not, I will just have to find other more productive contexts to work\nin, because these questions are simply too urgent to leave them\nunaddressed.\n\nFor now I am not ready to give up syndicate and still have some hope for\nthe future of the syndicate list and network.\n\nwarmest greetings,\neric\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "Eric Kluitenberg <epk@xs4all.nl>",
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"author_name": "Eric Kluitenberg",
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"subject": "Syndicate: A short comment on the identity of the syndicate list",
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"date": "Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:08:41 +0200",
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"content": "Andreas\n\nI don't want to add more \"noise\" on the Syndicate list but I wanted to\nlet you know that I fully agree with you. I like the Syndicate list,\neven if I don't post everyday .... For the first time in my online life \nI decided to filter out mail coming from someone with NN. Easy to do\n(technically) but not confortable to do on a \"moral\" level. I hated to\ndo that. \n\n\"It\" was totally poluting the Synd. list. Reminds me of the Well, years\nago which nearly died from the same reason and went from unmoderated to moderated.\n\nAlso one key issue : everybody shouting against this \"nazi decision\" to\nunsub nn seem to have a high speed connection ... or they don't pay\ntheir connection, I don't know. But none of them think of the ones using\na normal phone line and paying by the time of connection, who had to pay\nfor all this junk (I don't know how much \"hate\" it was, as I stopped\nreading them after 3 or 4 posts).\n\nCu in Linz ?\n\nAnnick\n\nAndreas Broeckmann wrote:\n> \n> dear jaka,\n> \n> i was away for 2 weeks and actually considered leaving the list because it\n> became utterly useless and unreadable for me. i must admit that i was\n> relieved to find the situation as it is now. the insults about me that nn\n> is posting to people it thinks are my superiors are enough for anybody to\n> push the red button, if you ask me.\n> \n> >Why censorship?\n> \n> we have had this discussion before, and i just want to make my own point\n> once again, other points have been made by others for months, fuelling nn's\n> viral motor. i'd rather shut up and put on the breaks.\n> \n> most importantly:\n> 1. create the free-syndicate@jaka.org now!\n> 2. sb it to the syndicate list!\n> 3. invite nn and the nn fanclub to leave the syndicate list and join this\n> new list!\n> 4. enjoy the full, integer-ated syndicate pleasure!\n> \n> >I dint's saw mails to ban some people who made some stupid and insulting\n> >remarks of NN.\n> \n> i would be curious to see messages that have been anywhere near the level\n> of insult that nn usually produces.\n> \n> >Is there now a special state of mind required to be on syndicate list?\n> \n> for me, a mailing list is a social space that requires a certain attitude\n> which is also necessary in any other social environment - you listen to\n> other people, you only SHOUT when absolutely necessary, you respect the\n> positions of others, you tell about your own ideas and give others the room\n> to talk about their's. the syndicate list has, for over 5 years, been a\n> mellow, sometimes boring, sometimes highly active channel which has allowed\n> a multitude of people to announce their projects, get in touch with each\n> other, meet, play, love, ..., each other. for me, part of the quality of\n> this channel has been that it has always been open and unmoderated - even\n> though some people have put a lot of effort into keeping it running. like\n> many others, i feel attached to the list and the community behind it, and\n> you will understand that it was a strange thing to see it being taken over\n> by nn in the course of six months or so. the volume of her messages is\n> unmanageable. the quality is, as others have suggested, mixed, the tone at\n> times - difficult to take. i don't like filters. i like this list because\n> it makes sense for me to listen to all the different voices. i don't want\n> to censor what comes through. at the same time, i ask for some sort of\n> respect for my position as somebody who is also on this list. this implies\n> not being shouted at all the time. it more importantly implies not being\n> spat on and insulted for writing this message. it implies not seeing\n> messages that call me a criminal, a murderer, nn writing to people saying\n> that she has to leave germany because she has received a death threat from\n> me, inke and lorenzo. give me a break. either she is a virtual persona, in\n> which case she should better understand her digital nature, or she is a\n> person with the illusion of a physical body like myself, in which case she\n> should maybe seek some professional help.\n> \n> the requirements for being on this list are pretty limited, you will agree.\n> but i find it hard to believe that you would not also call nn's\n> list-behaviour 'extreme'. i understand the point about a total freedom of\n> speech, which is why i would have left the list and started something new,\n> rather than having to endure the integer-ated syndicate. but i cannot deny\n> that i am happier now.\n> \n> i really suggest that you start another list and study the dynamics of nn's\n> communication; you would even enjoy it. if this list get's so boring that\n> the last of the 480 subscriber leaves, we'll delete the piece of software\n> that it really is. until then, let's doodle on.\n> \n> greetings,\n> -a\n> \n> -----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\n> Syndicate network for media culture and media art\n> information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\n> to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\n> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\n> the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n\n-- \nATTENTION : NEW EMAIL ADDRESS - NOUVELLE ADRESSE EMAIL\nannickb@altern.org\n---------------------------\nAnnick Bureaud (annickb@altern.org)\n--------------------------------------\nSUPPORT LEONARDO/SOUTENEZ LEONARDO : \n* Get a T.Shirt / Achetez un T.Shirt\nhttp://www.zero23.com/leo/leo.htm\n\n* Buy past issues of Leonardo Journal/Achetez les anciens num?ros de la revue\nhttp://www.cdemusic.org/\n-----------------------------------------------------------\nt?l/fax : 33/143 20 92 23 \nmobile : 33 (0)6 86 77 65 76\n-----------------------------------------\nIDEA online/International Directory of Electronic Arts : http://nunc.com\nOLATS/Observatoire Leonardo des Arts et des Techno-Sciences : http://www.olats.org\n\n",
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"author_name": "Annick Bureaud",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _NN - what happend?",
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"date": "Mon, 13 Aug 2001 21:20:57 +0800",
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"content": ">>\n>> annick, anke, and others: you *have to* voice your opinion *on* the list; i\n>> have no time nor energy to stick my head out like this again and again for\n>> a silent mass. if fred and jaka and andrej are the opinion leaders here, an\n>> integer-ated syndicate list is what you will get.\n>\n>Is this why you are silencing me on this list, and why you didn't\n>publish my comment on Integer case yesterday evening? You silence Kosovo\n>opinions, you silence Integer opinions, where is your \"openness\"?\n\nandrej, we have had this before: when you put the word s*bscribe (with the\nu) into your message, majordomo, the software, recognises your message as a\nrequest which is forwarded to the administration; this prevents the list\nfrom the occasional accidental request and bounces some relevant messages\nwhich then have to be forwarded by the admins by hand, which can sometimes\ntake some time, depending on who of the admins finds time to look at the\nadmin account.\n\n-a\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "Andreas Broeckmann <abroeck@transmediale.de>",
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"author_name": "Andreas Broeckmann",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: Re: what happend?",
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"date": "Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:22:08 +0200",
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"content": "----- Forwarded message from syndicate-owner@eg-r.isp-eg.de -----\nDate: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 22:30:36 +0200\nFrom: syndicate-owner@eg-r.isp-eg.de\nReply-To: syndicate-owner@eg-r.isp-eg.de\nSubject: BOUNCE syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de: Admin request of type /\\buns\\w*b/i \nat line 7\nTo: syndicate@v2.nl\n\nDate: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 22:34:07 +0200\nFrom: Andrej Tisma <aart@EUnet.yu>\nOrganization: Happiness\nTo: syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de\nSubject: Re: Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _NN - what happend?\n\nInke Arns wrote:\n>i am not ready to administrate a mailing list which is called >\"[integer],\n>formerly known as Syndicate\". \n\nNow I think you are administrating the Corporate Fascist! list.\nAre you satisfied now?\nIf you and Andreas think you will feel better after uns*bscribing me\nfrom this list too, just do it. From now on you don't have my moral\nconfidence. I think it is the best for you to leave on this list just\nthe Soros Swastika worshiping people and exchange your stupid corporate\ninfo with each other.\n\n----- End forwarded message -----\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"content": "Inke Arns wrote:\n>i am not ready to administrate a mailing list which is called >\"[integer],\n>formerly known as Syndicate\". \n\nNow I think you are administrating the Corporate Fascist! list.\nAre you satisfied now?\nIf you and Andreas think you will feel better after uns*bscribing me\nfrom this list too, just do it. From now on you don't have my moral\nconfidence. I think it is the best for you to leave on this list just\nthe Soros Swastika worshiping people and exchange your stupid corporate\ninfo with each other.\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "Andrej Tisma <aart@eunet.yu>",
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"author_name": "Andrej Tisma",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _NN - what happend",
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"date": "Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:15:45 +0200",
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"content": "<html><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC \"-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN\">\n<HTML><HEAD>\n<META http-equiv=Content-Type content=\"text/html; charset=iso-8859-1\">\n<META content=\"MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800\" name=GENERATOR>\n<STYLE></STYLE>\n</HEAD>\n<BODY bgColor=#ffffff>\n<DIV>To people who don't know enough of NN.</DIV>\n<DIV>NN has been overflowing with messages three, four times a day not only \nSyndicate, but Rhyzome, Nettime etc...& others we don't know.</DIV>\n<DIV>The democratic feeling of the lists has been defending NN just as it was \nintended (by NN).</DIV>\n<DIV>The result of all this naif discussions will be of course a Book. \nA very glossy book of course. Published in the net \nlanguages: english/german/dutch.</DIV>\n<DIV>NN it's not a meaningful case.</DIV>\n<DIV>Otherwise it would have been different for every different list.</DIV>\n<DIV>That is Not the fact. </DIV>\n<DIV>Syndicate: a list about relationships between east & west.</DIV>\n<DIV>How much have we done & talked about it while every energy is about \ndeciding the presence of NN?</DIV>\n<DIV>Adrian Russu has announced the opening of a Jazz Club in Romania called \nnicely \"Colibr?\".</DIV>\n<DIV>Maybe is a good Jazz club. Maybe not. Maybe we can give ideas. maybe it \ncould become an issue. maybe not.</DIV>\n<DIV>Is it not this Much,Much more <U><STRONG>relevant</STRONG></U> then talking \nabout a trendy \"noisemaker\" like NN??</DIV>\n<DIV>Should we not deal about those things? </DIV>\n<DIV>And not about NN?</DIV>\n<DIV>Ciao</DIV>\n<DIV>Lorenzo Taiuti</DIV>\n<DIV> </DIV></BODY></HTML>\n\n</html>\n",
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"from": "\"Lorenzo Taiuti\" <md3169@mclink.it>",
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"author_name": "Lorenzo Taiuti",
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"subject": "Syndicate: NN: the endless cybersoap!",
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"date": "Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:38:18 +0200",
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"content": "dear,\n\n> annick, anke, and others: you *have to* voice your opinion *on* the list; i\n> have no time nor energy to stick my head out like this again and again for\n> a silent mass. \n\nabsolutely. same goes for me. what I wrote about engagement concerning work \ndoes also apply here (and it does perhaps more): if you don't take care of your \nlist, and voice your opinion, the list will be taken care of by others. And you \nwon't necessarily like it.\n\n> if fred and jaka and andrej are the opinion leaders here, an\n> integer-ated syndicate list is what you will get. \n\nas I wrote before, it's no problem to open another list focussing on nn. this \nis the great thing about mailing lists: you can do it yourself, on whatever \ntopic you like. Nothing prevents the people interested in nn's postings to open \na mailing list for her. you should explicitely announce that rules don't apply \nfor that game/mailing list. \n\n> like eric, i\n> will leave and look for other, more bearable venues. no big deal, but\n\nI have been thinking about this many times already but am not ready to give up \na project that I have invested some energy into during the last five years. it \nis much too valuable for that (even if, as andreas suggested and as we all \nknow, the Syndicate sometimes tends to by a rather dull place, full of \nannouncements and with no real discussion)\n\n> everybody who cares should take responsibility for where this list is going.\n\nto the silent mass: repeat this five times before your go to sleep, every \nnight.\n\n> the archive should be reopened.\n\nsure, why not? Anybody against it?\n\nGreetings,\nInke\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"author_name": "inke",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: Re: what happend?",
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"date": "Tue, 14 Aug 2001 14:24:29 MET",
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"content": "dear andrej, \n\ni am sorry but i don't see that the use of cold war terms bring you any\nfurther, they rather act destructive until no one wants to react on this\nkind of comments anymore. i am just doing it because i feel sad of this\ncommunication developed in the last week on this list. i would also like\nto say: watch out the words you are using!\n\nin my opinion you are misjudging the situation a lot and see an enemy\nwhere there is none. taking (unemotional) the facts about nn's postings\nand the character of this list, which have been described by several\npeople only yesterday, it seems as there is a strong unbalance of sheer\ninterest between a few and many, as i may suggest.\n\ntaking free-speech rights and the common ground of interpersonal\nacceptance into account i still don't see why it is not possible to\nexclude a certain egocentric individual from a community if s/he does\nnot meet the regulations of the \"virtual\" community. a sort of shared\nvalues and communication do's and don'ts are the base for any human\nrelationship, also for this communication-community. \n\naccusations of censorship and spreading insults does not change the fact\nthat a community exists on the ground of shared interest and behaviour.\nother communities might have other interest and behaviour. to view the\nworld in black-and-white-only, in an enemy and comrade-model does not\nhelp at all to come to terms with the reality of different individuals\nwith different interests. \n\none of the-until now-silent mass\n\nanke hoffmann \n\n\nAndrej Tisma schrieb:\n> \n> Inke Arns wrote:\n> >i am not ready to administrate a mailing list which is called >\"[integer],\n> >formerly known as Syndicate\".\n> \n> Now I think you are administrating the Corporate Fascist! list.\n> Are you satisfied now?\n> If you and Andreas think you will feel better after uns*bscribing me\n> from this list too, just do it. From now on you don't have my moral\n> confidence. I think it is the best for you to leave on this list just\n> the Soros Swastika worshiping people and exchange your stupid corporate\n> info with each other.\n> \n> -----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\n> Syndicate network for media culture and media art\n> information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\n> to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\n> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\n> the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"content": "dear anna,\n\n>Dear Andreas, it seems that you banned integer from the\n>syndicate list for very personal reasons, without surveying\n>the opinion of the community.\n\nnot reasons more personal than yours, i believe.\n\nbut as i said in my last message, i respect your opinion and if it turns\nout by, say, the weekend, that there are clearly more people in favour of\nresubscribing nn, i will suggest to the other admins that we do it. it is\nquite possible that your help in adminstring the list might then be needed.\n\nfaites vos jeux.\n\n-a\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "Andreas Broeckmann <abroeck@transmediale.de>",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: visit of the uniform",
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"date": "Tue, 14 Aug 2001 17:21:39 +0200",
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"content": "\n...NN replies.........etc\n\n\n\n\n>X-From_: owner-list@rhizome.org Wed Aug 15 13:57:41 2001\n>Delivered-To: netwurker@hotkey.net.au\n>Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 04:39:26 +0200 (CEST)\n>From: integer@www.god-emil.dk\n>To: syndicate@v2.nl\n>Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: your m9nd bumpers \n>Sender: owner-list@rhizome.org\n>Reply-To: integer@www.god-emil.dk\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>Andreas Broeckmann <abroeck@transmediale.de>\n>\n>>>dear anna,\n>>>\n>>>>Dear Andreas, it seems that you banned integer from the\n>>>>syndicate list for very personal reasons, without surveying\n>>>>the opinion of the community.\n>>>\n>>>not reasons more personal than yours, i believe.\n>\n>Andreas Broeckmann has always shown an avid interest \n>in NN's personal life.\n>\n>especially the lv+ type.\n>Andreas Broeckmann's beloved am certain shall be pleased to \n>know more about his extra curricular interests.\n>\n>People like to read!!!!\n>\n>\n>\n>>>but as i said in my last message, i respect your opinion and if it turns\n>>>out by, say, the weekend, that there are clearly more people in favour of\n>>>resubscribing nn, \n>\n>\n>how very democratic Andreas Broeckmann becomes once he commits a crime.\n>but why is it Andreas Broeckmann asks Geert Lovink to cover up his crime.\n>\n>\n>is Andreas Broeckmann so afraid those subscribed to Nettime might find out\nabout \n>his criminal activities.\n>\n>\n>\n>and why clearly +?\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>you see my dear german autocrat in ost.europa we don't trust criminals.\n>\n>my compliments.\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>>i will suggest to the other admins that we do it. it is\n>>>quite possible that your help in adminstring the list might then be needed.\n>\n>are you acquainted with pascal's wager +?\n>\n>\n>nn\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>>>From: Annick Bureaud <annickb@altern.org>\n>\n>>>OK, the \"silent mass\" is going to take part in the discussion...\n>>>Andreas, Inke, you are right, we need to say what we think too.\n>\n>\n>it seems to me you are only following orders.\n>you do give naught but take.\n>\n>are you love +?\n>\n>somehow i doubt it.\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>>>I do not post much on this list, \n>\n>love wonders why.\n>\n>\n>\n>>>only when I have something that I think\n>>>will interest the others. \n>\n>i see. that is good to know.\n>love does not recall you ever having anything to give [say]\n>besides lobbying for silencing those that do have much to give.\n>even if not + not to you. \n>\n>others do exist you know. they also have desires and aspirations.\n>much like you. they wish to breathe.\n>\n>gas chambers are for the love impaired.\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>>>The Syndicate list is a virtual community \n>\n>\n>if a [western] zoo is a community than Syndicate also is a community.\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>>>Recently, because of NN *flood* of posting, I was about to unsub. \n>\n>\n>interesting. next time do let me know that you exist and _if _you _wish i\nshall\n>unsubscribe you _when _i _feel _like _it.\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>>>But I\n>>>felt \n>\n>listen. i want to ask. do you lack memories of love +?\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>>I was still interested in the list, so I filtered out NN mails. I\n>>>hated to have to do this (very simple technically speaking) procedure.\n>>>It was the first time in my whole life that I filtered out mail (online\n>>>as well as offline, \n>\n>next time something happens for the 1st time do take it as a sign from\nost.europa - i.e. the heavens.\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>>>I always open every letter, even if I know it is\n>>>junk,\n>\n>\n>love says: that makes it difficult for me to fall in love with you.\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>>>I always give people a chance).\n>\n>the inward turning of the drug user contrasts the outward turning of the\ndancer.\n>\n>listen. love whispers to you [only you]. - \"so I filtered out NN mails\"\n>\n>\n>love: i always give people a chance.\n>\n>\n>___.. listen. \n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>>>What I really disliked with NN postings was the FLOOD. \n>\n>you shall have to consult my ost.europa genes about that.\n>you are welcome to admire me but \n>\n>listen _____... I do not like zooz.\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>>>Once in a while,\n>>>why not, but minimum 10 per day, as in the last week, come on ! This is\n>>>just a highjack of the list. S/he knew the rules, s/he didn't play by\n>>>it. Too bad.\n>\n>\n>the safest path for a brain is circular arguments.\n>you want me to relax you +?\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>>>Those talking about democracy, Socrates and censorship, I would like to\n>>>stress out a point here, the one between \"public\" and \"private\"\n>>>institution, public and private being understood in the French meaning\n>>>of the words :\n>\n>i would like to tell to you.\n>\n>syndicate is publicly funded.\n>\n>there shall be no syndicate.\n>\n>there shall be no other things either.\n>\n>why +? well think about it. the \"FLOOD\" will have to go somewhere.\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>>>So, I think that \"big\" words (fascist !!!) should be kept for \"big\"\n>>>problems, \n>>>NN is not a \"big\" issue, \n>\n>\n>you have a \"big\" regard for human life.\n>love says: i suffer so much loneliness in your presence.\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>>>Annick\n>\n> NN (a noble act \n> + public vocabulary of private distress)\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>>>From: martha rosler <navva@earthlink.net>\n>>>\n>>>\n>>>i am primarily a lurker, \n>\n>i see a pattern.\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>>>hoping to learn something about the thought and\n>>>work of formerly east bloc artists \n>\n>in a zoo +?\n>\n>or +?\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>>>and friends \n>\n>let us not draw conclusions until sentiments exist indicating we are friends.\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>>>in respect to new\n>>>communications technologies and art. but i do read the list avidly and\n>>>can't resist making some observations.\n>>>I do not find it especially helpful to compare this situation to ancient\n>>>athens, \n>\n>\n>tres bien. let us rename it ancient sparta\n>\n>http://eusocial.com/242.art.mafia/open-hand.html\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>>>for a myriad of reasons, \n>\n>\n>reasons are the equiv of bumpers on automobiles.\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>>>the most direct being that we do not live\n>>>on the list, and net communications have a distinctly linear feel despite\n>>>all the hype. We do not live on it \"in the round.\" In my observation, the\n>>>list ceases to be interesting in pretty direct proportion to nn's posts,\n>>>and it is somewhat arrogant to expect a participant to have to decode a\n>>>private orthography in order to \"get it.\"\n>\n>you misunderstand. i communicate with those that want me\n>and experience my ecstasy and suffering. \n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>>> I wouldn't mind the posts if they\n>>>didn't polarize and shrink the entire list to pros and cons about it.\n>>>Indeed, i used to enjoy some of them, delete the rest. But when I get my\n>>>email while traveling, i resent the endless \"mutterings\" that these posts\n>>>seem to constitute. \n>\n>i resent your silence and selfish ways. why is it you take and\n>give naught +?\n>\n>are you love +?\n>love says: somehow i doubt it.\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>>>(The endless nn yenta, always commenting on everyone\n>>>else, picking on their language, competes with a very nicely tuned nn\n>>>anti-corporate, anti-bullshit set of remarks.)\n>\n>because nn's iq has been determined to be that of a genius.\n>as you are aware only the mediocre are consistent.\n>i cannot be bothered.\n>\n>\n>\n>>>Freedom of speech is not the primary issue, \n>\n>our minds are pulsing together.\n>\n>\n>\n>>>and threats to sic the\n>>>correctness police on the list is an ironic reversal of oother\n>>>authoritarian tropes, i humbly suggest; \n>\n>why humbly +?\n>\n>\n>\n>>a list is neither society nor the\n>>>public sphere in toto. \n>\n>nor a zoo +?\n>\n>\n>>I am not advocating asking nn to leave, \n>\n>i like it when i am asked.\n>as do you +?\n>\n>\n>\n>>>for the\n>>>decision is not mine, but ask yourself, when you play a game, what happens\n>>>when the bully insists that it is always his/her turn at the bat; at a\n>>>forum, what if she/he jumps up for the microphone after every remark\n>>>someone else has made, simply to snipe,and not actually engage their\n>>>points? \n>\n>pulsing together.\n>for nn has never prohibited one other from pulsing.\n>nn is being prohibited by one other from pulsing.\n>\n>\n>so yes - our minds are pulsing together. \n>\n>but i think yours has 3 bumpers.\n>\n>why +?\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>>>Of course, this analogy is poor, \n>\n>most analogies as most people are poor.\n>i am rich but i love to share.\n>\n>it may because i love to share that i am rich.\n>\n>it may also be that i am not free because i am unhappy\n>or it may be that i am unhappy because i am free.\n>\n>what do you think +? [asking] \n>\n>\n>\n>>>because only one person can speak\n>>>at a forum at once, but it is not wholly inappropriate. Pretty soon, the\n>>>discussion is about rules and personality, not about substatntive issues.\n>>> I have been in many, many political gatherings where a bloc of extreme\n>>>leftists (or a strongly vocal single representative) stood up to denounce\n>>>the incorrect political \"line\" each speaker was espousing, according to the\n>>>commentator. This well-known tactic has a name: disruption.\n>>>even war has rules of engagement.\n>\n>as does mystical rapture.\n>which one interests you more: war or mystical rapture +?\n>\n>\n>>>respectfully,\n>\n>flesh touching flesh generates a perfume, while the friction of words \n>generates only pain and division.\n>\n>\n>>>martha rosler\n>\n>\n>nn\n>\n>\n>>>brooklyn, new york\n>\n>i see a pattern.\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>patterns you may have missed\n>because no one asked you.\n>\n>\n>friendly.nn\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n> /_/\n> /\n> \\ \\/ i should like to be a human plant\n> \\/ __\n> __/\n> i will shed leaves in the shade\n> \\_\\ because i like stepping on bugs\n>\n>\n>\n>*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--\n>Netochka Nezvanova nezvanova@eusocial.com\n> http://www.eusocial.com\n> http://www.biohakc.com\n> http://www.ggttctttat.com/!\n> n r . 5 !!! http://steim.nl/leaves/petalz\n>*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- --*--*--*--*--*--*--\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>+ See sidepanel for exciting recipe ideas.\n>-> Rhizome.org\n>-> post: list@rhizome.org\n>-> questions: info@rhizome.org\n>-> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/subscribe.rhiz\n>-> give: http://rhizome.org/support\n>+\n>Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the\n>Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php3\n>\n>\n \n. . .... .....\n \tnet.wurker][M.ollient][\n pro.ject.ile x.blooms.x .go.here. \n\t xXXx \n ./. \n www.hotkey.net.au/~netwurker\n.... . .??? .......\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"subject": "Syndicate: RHIZOME_RAW: your m9nd bumpers ",
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"date": "Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:10:54 +1000",
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"content": ">X-From_: owner-list@rhizome.org Wed Aug 15 15:14:32 2001\n>Delivered-To: netwurker@hotkey.net.au\n>Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 06:23:06 +0200 (CEST)\n>From: integer@www.god-emil.dk\n>To: lev@shoko.calarts.edu\n>Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: [ot] [!nt] \\n2+0\\ danz!ng = 01 good metafor ne +?\n>Sender: owner-list@rhizome.org\n>Reply-To: integer@www.god-emil.dk\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>bkausz !t !z good 2 knou r!ght +?\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>01 very very courageous person from Eastern Europe wrote in regards to\n>the Syndicate forum financed by the V2 and Transmediale artistic\norganizations\n>\n>\n>>MDear Inke,aybe because of my very different background - I \n>>grew up in a totalitarian country, where I was forced into \n>>a conspirational existence, I know what it is like - i am \n>>very sensible to censorship and inclusion/exclusion \n>>matters, and i strongly disagree with banning anybody from \n>>the list. \n>>\n>>If nn does will not have opportunity to show up \n>>on the syndicate list I will inform the 'Index on \n>>Censorship' forum and paper about the situation created, \n>>and suggest to start collecting all records referring to \n>>nn's case. This paper made echoing worldwide also Salman \n>>Rushdie's affair.\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>1001 ventuze. nn\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n> /_/\n> /\n> \\ \\/ i should like to be a human plant\n> \\/ __\n> __/\n> i will shed leaves in the shade\n> \\_\\ because i like stepping on bugs\n>\n>\n>\n>*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--\n>Netochka Nezvanova nezvanova@eusocial.com\n> http://www.eusocial.com\n> http://www.biohakc.com\n> http://www.ggttctttat.com/!\n> n r . 5 !!! http://steim.nl/leaves/petalz\n>*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- --*--*--*--*--*--*--\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>+ See sidepanel for exciting recipe ideas.\n>-> Rhizome.org\n>-> post: list@rhizome.org\n>-> questions: info@rhizome.org\n>-> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/subscribe.rhiz\n>-> give: http://rhizome.org/support\n>+\n>Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the\n>Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php3\n>\n>\n \n. . .... .....\n \tnet.wurker][M.ollient][\n pro.ject.ile x.blooms.x .go.here. \n\t xXXx \n ./. \n www.hotkey.net.au/~netwurker\n.... . .??? .......\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"subject": "Syndicate: RHIZOME_RAW: [ot] [!nt] \\n2+0\\ danz!ng = 01 good metafor ne +?",
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"date": "Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:19:09 +1000",
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"content": "\n> >incessantly about how you are wrong or about their accomplishments with\nonly short intervals in which you may interject. This is what I call the\nCoffeehaus Putsch.\n>\n> problem is\n> this has absolutely nothing to do with how a mailing-list works.\n\nMerely a metaphor for the effect, not the process. Good point.\n\n> >So far, I have outlined an argument aimed at mapping the issues at stake\nregarding free speech on listservs. Next, what could be some protocols for\nculling the signal to noise ratio?\n>\n> you forgot one\n> closing the list when it has served its time or purpose.\n\nBig thanks there - pulling the plug is always the last ditch, as is starting\na new pocket universe with new rules of time and space, but I did not think\nwe were there yet.\n\nAs usual, I never profess to have all the answers, I merely suggest some\nideas 'for your approval'.\n\nBest,\nPatrick.\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "\"patrick lichty\" <voyd@voyd.com>",
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"author_name": "patrick lichty",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Bans & Free Speech",
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"date": "Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:24:49 -0500",
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"content": "I did not want to comment or waste my time on this but it seems that I will\nconcede now - and put my head on the block like everyone else has been\ndoing.\n\nThe reason is that on rhizome I was attacked personally a few times by NN.\nI answered thinking that there was an intelligent mind or brain at the other\nend of the postings, but all I got in return was insults. Soon after that I\nlearnt that NN was a programme.\n\nI am also unhappy about sending this e-mail because NN's protectors will\nattack me also. A small gang of people who could do better by spending their\ntime not protecting their cyber - jerk (in crowd mob friends, programmers of\nNN), and actually taking real responsibility and changing the world to be a\nbetter place instead. I wish...\n\nIt seems to me that nn (the programme) has not been interested in other\npeople's imaginative offerings on the list - other to dish out insults.\n\nNN - is not a human, therefor has no rights.\nNN - feels no pain, therefor has no rights.\nNN - is a weapon designed to distract us, therefor has no rights.\n\nSO wake up everyone - we are all part of a manipulation that is designed to\nsatisfy its programmer's egos.\n\nI do not care what happens to NN, mainly because the programme has no\nempathy for others.\n\nAll this discussion about whether the owners of the list are fascists is\nabsolute gibberish. Such negative comments to people who actually spend a\nlot of their time maintaining it do not deserve such unfound empty headed\nright wing rants.\n\nIt really pisses me off when you see people trying to do something worth\nwhile and watching thugs slamming into them as though they are just dirt.\nThere is no conspiracy going on here other than some liberal, leftist\nindivuals who quite rightly are worried about stopping freedom of expression\nas an idea.\n\nWho would you turn to in a time of need or of crisis? It certainly would not\nbe the whimsical NN.\n\nThe Syndicate list like many lists have gone through many issues, and this\ndoes not warrant the attention.\n\nThere are far more urgent problems going on in the real world with real\npeople being bombed, maimed, raped - mostly by dysfunctional insecure males.\nNN has that type of quality of which I will not miss (whatever sex it has\nbeen allocated).\n\nIf there is a threat on freedom of expression - it is not on NN. It is on\nthe rest of us not being aloud to carry on exploring our own valid ventures\nas living breathing individuals, who wish to develop further than a limited\nprogramme that far out stayed its presence.\n\nI would rather fight for a life than an idea, religion was an idea and look\nhow that one is turning out for everyone on this small muddy ball that we\ncall earth. \n\nDon't be fooled by the art project that us (the ginea pigs) have foolishly\nbecome part of against our wills - for it will be documented and used\nagainst us by the real tyrant(s) in the future - NN's programmers. Who like\ncowards do not declare their real identities as we all do. As they collect\ntheir rewards for being (oh so clever etc) for taking the piss out of people\nwho meant well, they will reap the rewards for our discomfort.\n\nNN will be taken off the list - but not because of any undemocratic or\nfascistic reason, but because NN is out of date and has served its purpose\nand the one liner joke is wearing a bit thin now.\n\nWe have all moved on and are tired of the childish double feedback (boring)\nemptiness that dominates the list by NN. Please wake up and realise that we\nhave been part of a cheap game and (seriously) nothing much more than that.\n\nI take issue with one poster mentioning 'Brad Brad' as someone who has\ncaused trouble on listings. I have seen his postings - and I believe that he\nhas at least contributed to discussions via the process of creating\ndiscourse that is aimed questioning the power that institutions possess over\nothers lives.\n\nIf NN is to stay - then please 'programmers' re-evaluate its purpose and\nfunction. Make it question corporate isolationist companies that are ruining\npeoples lives all other world right now. Go to their listings and bring the\ncontent back here for all to debate and take part in. PLease do not let it\nruin well meaning debate on creative listings such as this - its not NN's\nfault, I know that. I'll miss the playful language myself, Its the\nquestionable intentions by the ego-centric opinionated designers (that\nshould be here on this listing taking part in the debate themselves) behind\nthe function and the actions that I am concerned about, whom obviously are\nnot interested in other peoples expressive and creative freedoms.\n\nLets all move forward (for a change). That's if its alright by the few who\nwill no doubt send hatred e-mails to me for bothering to care about such\nthings.\n\nTonight Israel is sending tanks into palastinian territories - is NN going\nto help sort that one out - doubt it.\n\n(When American leaders fund Israeli assassinations of Arab leaders with\ntaxpayer dollars, those American leaders are complicit in those\nassassinations, and since turnabout is fair play, U.S. leaders open\nthemselves up to their own assassination by the very demon of lawlessness\ntheir Israeli partners in crime unleashed in the occupied territories.\n\nLest the U.S. secret police accuse this writer of advocating or apologizing\nfor the assassination of Americans, I will point out the obvious: all\nassassinations are wrong. The spread of the contagion of Likud doublethink\nin the U.S. has caused Americans to subscribe to the racist Talmudic/Zionist\ndouble-standard that it is permissible, indeed perhaps even laudable, to\nassassinate \"sub-human\" Arab goyim, whereas the assassination of the Chosen\nterrorist Sharon or his patrons in the U.S. would be deemed a moral outrage\nof the highest order by the guardians of public opinion in the West.)\n\n\nGet a life - there's beautiful out there (what's left of it that is). To\ncontinue arguing for and against NN's case would be a case of psychological\ndenial in dealing with issues at hand...\n\nBest wishes to all progressive (humane) thinkers and creative liberationists\nand anarchists who are causing nayhem where it should be, some where else.\nIts possiblities are being wasted..\n\n\nmarc garrett \n\n \n\n\n\n\n\n \n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"subject": "Syndicate: the NN programme...is old Art...",
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"date": "Wed, 15 Aug 2001 03:18:44 +0000",
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"content": "> i respect your opinion and if it turns\n> out by, say, the weekend, that there are clearly more people in favour of\n> resubscribing nn, i will suggest to the other admins that we do it. it is\n> quite possible that your help in adminstring the list might then be needed.\n\n*Aaargh! Don't do it! I'm getting hundreds of unsought messages from\nvictims of SirCam, carrying big fat 130K random chunks of people's hard\ndisks. I've grown to hate the sight of them, even though they're much less\nmechanical than integer and they're far more entertaining.\n\nplaintive bruces\n\n",
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"to": "Andreas Broeckmann <abroeck@transmediale.de>",
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"from": "Bruce Sterling <bruces@well.com>",
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"author_name": "Bruce Sterling",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: visit of the uniform",
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"date": "Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:17:00 -0500",
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"content": "<html><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC \"-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN\">\n<HTML><HEAD>\n<META http-equiv=Content-Type content=\"text/html; charset=iso-8859-1\">\n<META content=\"MSHTML 5.50.4611.1300\" name=GENERATOR>\n<STYLE></STYLE>\n</HEAD>\n<BODY bgColor=#ffffff>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Much has come to the fore regarding the level of \nfree speech on listservs across the board, and I thought I'd put my two words \nin. Even though the issue is currently most crucial on Syndicate, I am cross \nposting on the other lists, as my thoughts here are most germane to these lists \nas well. AS it is also of interest as a cultural artifact, I am also \nforwarding this to nettime.</FONT></DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>On all of these lists there have been a series of \nconcerns regarding free speech. Many of these issues have arisen >from \nabusive language, threatening content, or prodigious output. The problem \nhere is that what, in a community that espouses such pluralism and free thought \nas the arts community, constitutes 'proper behavior'? In the postmodern, which \nmany of us here ascribe to, immediately the question of what conventions of \nbehavior will be enforced, and by whom? When any social restriction is \nenforced, the problem arises to enforcement.</FONT></DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Another problem that arises is the issue of freedom \nof speech. Being that the Internet is international, it is not covered by \nthe American 1st Amendment. To do so would be to inscribe American power \nstrategies upon the world. Or, perhaps the Internet community wishes to \nuse American precepts when it wishes to, then discard anythin it finds \ninconvenient or irrelenent (sorry, just a little polemic). Therefore, \nunless local speech restrictions apply, the rules for free speech are regulated \nby the community, much as in a Bey-esque TAZ. In a way, Listservs are \nsimilar to Temporary Autonomous Zones, with their own peculiarities and rules, \nand so on.</FONT></DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There have been many personalities on the various \nlists who have been known for their 'behavior' and/or excessive listing (Brace, \nnn, Zeidner, Herman), and there have been may rationales for the tactical \nengagement they have employed. Radical engagement is one thing, and it is \na wonderful thing, but the problem is that listservs are more akin to the \nlymphatic system of the net, and not the central power nodes of the virtual \nworld. In many cases, the parties in question are of the opinion that to \nintervene at the listserv level is to somehow radically engage with the primary \npower structures of the global art world. Such is not the \ncase.</FONT></DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The tactics of these practitioners aside, there \nseem to be a certain number of effects that these so-called 'radical \nengagements' create. There are a few ways I've seen them engage, so \nhere goes. </FONT></DIV>\n<DIV> </DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The polemics of the member \n(whether through</FONT> <FONT face=Arial size=2>abusive language or \nlarge numbers of posts) creates furor and centers the conversation around them, \nthus creating an intellectual monopoly. If that individual is threatened with \nexpulsion, that individual protests that their rights of free speech are \nbeing violated, where none exists except through the social compact of the group \nat large. Such cries play upon the liberal fears of the artist and intellectual, \nproblematizing the agendas of information control and social protocols into \nterms like 'fascism' and Orwellian 'thought police'., where such is a \nconflation of terms with much more serious issues. This centers the conversation \naround them further which is the exact point of the tactic.</FONT></DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As my younger compatriot Milo Fisher would say, \n\"Duhh!\"</FONT></DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Secondly, the poster states that what they are \nintending to do is a form of 'radical engagement' (para. Zeidner), when it is \nmore akin to a form of intellectual abuse, which is exactly what it is. \nInstead of posting a ten-part post, the individual posts ten individual \nmissives, most with a Dada-esque lack of content, which are designed solely \nas a way to manipulate attention and information flows.</FONT></DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The question arises as to whether the listserv is a \nfree society. It certainly seems to ascribe to the Lockeian 'laissez \nfaire' ideal, but often turns to the more Crowley-esque 'Do what thou \nwilt'. There is a difference between liberty and using that liberty to \nimpinge upon the freedom of others' time, resources, etc.. This abuse of \npersonal freeedoms is what typically creates the need for punitive systems (law \nenforcement, etc.) Having personal freedoms does not patently allow others \nto use their freedoms to infringe upon your own.</FONT></DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I may be talking like an American here, but I \nassure you that I attempt to speak more from an enlightenment/Bey sort of base \nthan from Revolutionary American thought.</FONT></DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The problem of enforcement then arises. There \nhave been a number of solutions offered, such as filtering \nand expulsion. I, for one, am not against long negotiated, judicious \nexpulsion of offending members. </FONT></DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I take the metaphor of the coffee table as my \nargument. Consider that if you are at a coffee house with a group of \ncolleagues having a discussion, and someone comes along, pushes their way \nthrough the chairs, places a soapbox upon the table, climbs up, and proceeds to \nscream incessantly about how you are wrong or about their accomplishments \nwith only short intervals in which you may interject. This is what I call \nthe Coffeehaus Putsch.</FONT> </DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The problem exists - how can a listserv endure \nproblematic posting practices without succumbing to oppression equal to that \nbeing perpetrated by those in question? Personally, I do not feel that the \nexpulsion of ongoing offenders is necessarily perpetrating a fascist \nstate. There is a big difference between modulating the signal to noise \nratio and committing intellectual genocide. Listservs are \nprivate spaces bound be the social conventions of its communities (and to \nsome extent the service providers). They do not guarantee freedom of speech at \nall.</FONT></DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So far, I have outlined an argument aimed at \nmapping the issues at stake regarding free speech on listservs. Next, what \ncould be some protocols for culling the signal to noise ratio?</FONT></DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>- Deletion</FONT></DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This is my usual form of dealing with this. \nThe problem is that it does not alleviate the issue of time and resources for \nthose who do not have broadband or unlimited hours.</FONT></DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-Filtering</FONT></DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Similar to above, but the same \napplies.</FONT></DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-Combination</FONT></DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Asking the multiple poster to combine posts into a \ndaily digest of sorts or longer listings.</FONT></DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This solves the elimination of 'content' by those \ninvolved, and those interested can read these multiple messages.</FONT></DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-Moderation</FONT></DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Here's the stickiest job of all - enforcement of \nposting protocols. Should the rise of problematic posting become the \nrallying cry for moderated lists, when a 'moderator' culls posts that are not \ndeemed germane? </FONT></DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>- List owner Negotiaton/ Punitive \nmeasures</FONT></DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The list owner contacts the person in question, \nnegotiating a provisional agreement that will ast as a social protocol for this \nsituation. If no agreement can be made, the person is \nexpelled.</FONT></DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>- Democratic expulsion</FONT></DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The list takes a vote, and from votes tallied, the \nmajority for the given solution is acted upon. There are some \nSurvivor-esque issues here, and is a bit flawed.</FONT></DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Unilateral expulsion - </FONT></DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>After a certain time, the list owner deems the \nperson to be too troublesome, and is expelled. Autocratic, but \nviable.</FONT></DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In short, the operation of a listserv is a delicate \nthing - it isn't just one of your holiday games. (I will now say that you'd \nconsider me mad as a hatter if I told you each list has three separate names...) \n</FONT></DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What is to be done on a listserv under disruptive \ncircumstances? I think the question resides in whether the list is being \ncoopted over long periods of time by certain interests that run counter to the \npurpose of the list, or through the intellectual monopolization by certain \nindividuals of that list.</FONT></DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I believe that expulsion is not anaethema to list \noperation; however it should be done with great delicacy and quiet resolve only \nafter private negotiations have broken down. The tone that a community \nwishes to maintain is a partnership that the members and list owner hold in \ncommon trust. In the case of disruptive/monopolistic posting, it is \nthe community's responsibility to determine whether this is tolerable, take \nproper action, and live with those actions.</FONT></DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>\n<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>We must ask ourselves what kind of online society \nwe wish to have, and how we wish to create/maintain \nit.</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>\n\n</html>\n",
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"subject": "Syndicate: Bans & Free Speech",
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"content": "> If we find so much words to fight about a \"Lounge Identity\" like NN,\n> how come we are not building a project about east/west comunities?\n\nGood question. I think in building the east/west community we must begin\nfrom our personal relations, not from net theories, net criticism and\nsame bullshit. Now our personal relations are in crisis, because of\ncensorship (Kosovo archive banned on this list, and now one member\nremoved because of too much mailings which is also stupid). How do you\nimagine that community if we don't trust each other personally?\nOr generally east do not trust west, or vice versa.\n \n> And before talking about \"fascists\", remember Genova!\n> Greetings\n> Lorenzo Taiuti\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: What happened?",
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"date": "Tue, 14 Aug 2001 22:24:44 +0200",
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"content": "\n>incessantly about how you are wrong or about their accomplishments with only short intervals in which you may interject. This is what I call the Coffeehaus Putsch. \n\nproblem is\nthis has absolutely nothing to do with how a mailing-list works.\n\n>So far, I have outlined an argument aimed at mapping the issues at stake regarding free speech on listservs. Next, what could be some protocols for culling the signal to noise ratio?\n\nyou forgot one\nclosing the list when it has served its time or purpose.\n\nbest,\nf.\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"to": "<syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>",
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"id": "-1",
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"from": "Frederic Madre <fmadre@wanadoo.fr>",
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"message-id": "<4.2.2.20010814220807.00aa2bc8@pop.wanadoo.fr>",
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"author_name": "Frederic Madre",
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"subject": "Syndicate: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Bans & Free Speech",
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"date": "Tue, 14 Aug 2001 22:11:17 +0200",
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"content": ">.. can someone tell me how\n> to construct a filter?\n\nVery simple, you have it in your mail program. I use Netscape\nCommunicator - in the mailbox go to \"edit\" and then to \"mail filters\".\nEnter any word from address or subject or body... and you will not\nreceive it any more.\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"id": "-1",
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"from": "Andrej Tisma <aart@eunet.yu>",
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"author_name": "Andrej Tisma",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: Re: what happend?",
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"date": "Tue, 14 Aug 2001 22:14:41 +0200",
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"content": "Lorenzo Taiuti wrote:\n\n> And before talking about \"fascists\", remember Genova!\n\nConcerning Genoa, I didn't remark any reaction to that fascist\nglobalistic event on this list. Silent mass again. But I gave my comment\nwith \"Game Over\" work at:\nhttp://www.crosswinds.net/~tisma/social/over.htm\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"to": "Syndicate <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>",
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"id": "-1",
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"from": "Andrej Tisma <aart@eunet.yu>",
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"message-id": "n/a",
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"author_name": "Andrej Tisma",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: What happened?",
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"date": "Tue, 14 Aug 2001 22:30:45 +0200",
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"content": "Annick,\n\nI admit I have sinned and forgive me because I have a cable link to the internet. It is so much cheaper than paying for the phone calls and equivalent solutions such as dsl are available everywhere in our country\n\nI admit I have sinned and forgive me because I was offline for 3 days, this had not happened for a year.\n\nI admit I have sinned for I did not uns+b from any list and received 320 messages when I logged back, I opened them all and felt there was something missing when I got the message from \"syndicate admin\" which did not own up to what \"it\" had done.\n\nFor this is what I dislike in this situation\nnot that the admins decided unilaterally to withdraw nn (because this is ultimately their list, not ours) but more that they did not announce it as such (I was not even interested in the explanation, at least the one given afterwards) and sent the mail I mentioned above as if it was a machinic gesture whithout an owner or master, neither rhyme nor reason.\n\nnow, I agree with eric too, that the object of this list has disappeared from (posted) view but it's still an interesting one (not sure about so called \"europe\", though) and could be pursued here, or there. I just wish that (as it happens sometimes) the community did not need a scapegoat enemy to regain its inner strength around its soft but open belly. \n\nthis is why I ask that nn be put back on\n\n(and also because I like her very much)\n\nlast\nI do not see that the internet is either public or private\n\nf.\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"id": "-1",
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"from": "Frederic Madre <fmadre@wanadoo.fr>",
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"message-id": "<4.2.2.20010814223846.01f460a0@pop.wanadoo.fr>",
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"author_name": "Frederic Madre",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: Re: what happend?",
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"date": "Tue, 14 Aug 2001 23:07:08 +0200",
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"content": "a democratic decision, whether somebody (or a\ngroup) can use a community platform as its own. how this should be taken\nout, i don't know. but beside this showing respect to a ideological\nownership which, i think, exists in the case of this list is essential\nand can't be overseen. to respect that means to share a common ground of\nrules set by this \"owners\" or founders, and implies in this case not to\nspam the list with dozens of mails. simply. i don't think that nn's\nmails were of no meaning, but the mass they were posted was not\nacceptable anymore. less is more.\n\ni am too from a totalitarian background and believe that we all need to\naccept rules of communities we are joining to be included. and the\npragmatic facts of no attchments, limited file size and no spam enables\nsuch lists to operate for many. \n\nanke\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"id": "-1",
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"from": "Anke Hoffmann <hoffmann@zkm.de>",
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"message-id": "n/a",
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"author_name": "Anke Hoffmann",
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"subject": "Syndicate: re: visit of the uniform",
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"date": "Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:34:01 +0200",
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"content": "<html><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC \"-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN\">\n<HTML><HEAD>\n<META http-equiv=Content-Type content=\"text/html; charset=iso-8859-1\">\n<META content=\"MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800\" name=GENERATOR>\n<STYLE></STYLE>\n</HEAD>\n<BODY bgColor=#ffffff>\n<DIV>Dear friends </DIV>\n<DIV>Really, what's happening!? </DIV>\n<DIV>I think there is not a problem of democracy, like someone said, but the \nsimple act of recognizing a phoney and self/promoting acting and see his \ndistance from the targets of the list.</DIV>\n<DIV>If we find so much words to fight about a \"Lounge Identity\" like NN, how \ncome we are not building a project about east/west comunities?</DIV>\n<DIV>And before talking about \"fascists\", remember Genova!</DIV>\n<DIV>Greetings</DIV>\n<DIV>Lorenzo Taiuti</DIV></BODY></HTML>\n\n</html>\n",
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"from": "\"Lorenzo Taiuti\" <md3169@mclink.it>",
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"author_name": "Lorenzo Taiuti",
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"subject": "Syndicate: What happened?",
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"date": "Tue, 14 Aug 2001 21:50:25 +0200",
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"content": "hi patrick and all,\n\ni think you raise some interesting issues which are worth thinking about\non a scope larger than the NN issue. especially since there will probably\nalways be some Problematic Persona (PP), who some want to read and for\nothers \"ruins\" the list. it's been suggested that the PP in discussion at\nthe moment is actually a computer program. should that be grounds for\ndisqualification, or would some consider that aesthetically interesting,\nand free expression on the part of the programmers? it's been suggested\nthat our PP is merely posting to create a mystique which assists in\nmarketing its commercial software. again, if true, some may consider this\ngrounds for disqualification; others may continue to be interested in\nPP's texts in this context, still others may point out the blurry lines\nthat can creep up between resisting dominant cultures and commercialism,\nsuch as arose on some lists regarding the alternative top-level-domain\nproject.\n\nso maybe it's the interface that's the problem. some suggest that the\nanswer to a PP is user-applied filtering, but other readers don't know how\nto filter. perhaps a Filtering FAQ at minimum would be helpful. it would\nneed to include all the popular mail programs. and it would still be\nproblematic, because, as has been demonstrated, anyone at any moment can\nbecome a PP. and also, for people who do client-side filtering (most\npeople), they still have to wait/pay to download all the messages. but i\nthink it would help alleviate things a lot.\n\nthe listserv as a distribution means makes me think of the recent articles\nin some of the mainstream media about the current \"dumb\" internet vs. a\nhypothetical \"smart\" one. \"dumb\" internet means the internet doesn't know\nwhat is being sent across it; the \"smarts\" is in the application. some\ncorporations are blaming the \"dumb\" internet for their lack of profits,\nsaying they can't control it so therefore they've got no way to control\nquality/reliability and thus the failed profits. corporations like\nmicrosoft are developing \"smart\" systems for the internet, such as .NET,\nin which they control access centrally. (translation: keey paying\nmicrosoft money or lose access to your software.)\n\n\"dumb\" and \"smart\" as used here aren't value judgments (not from me at\nleast), but rather a description of where the \"brains\" (control) of the\ncommunication network are located.\n\na list or BBS can be thought of as parallelling this dumb/smart structure.\nan unmoderated listserv is \"dumb\" at the headend, and if you don't filter,\nthen it becomes \"dumb\" at the client end too. on the other hand, some\npeople filter, and so for them, the app is \"smart.\" but the non-filtering\npeople probably don't think of it this way, and for many of them, the\nsignal-to-noise ratio seems too low. on top of that, some s*bscribers are\npaying for the bandwidth to download the messages before they can filter;\nothers have no bandwidth fees, and still others have the ability to filter\non the server.\n\nthe irony is, listservs are often chosen for discussion groups over, say,\nweb-based forums, because they have very little technical requirement of\nthe user - after all, it's just ASCII text e-mail - and can work on any\ncomputer. a very egalitarian thing; everyone's got equal access to the\ndata as long as they've got a computer, a modem, and basic internet\naccess, right? oops - not really the case anymore. we're really not all\ndealing with the same list - nowadays there's a lot of \"smartness\" - or\nnot - happening on the client end - and in all different flavors.\n\nthere are some who suggest that maybe Syndicate is over, that it's\noutlived its usefulness. but maybe it's the listserv format that's\noutlived its usefulness? are there other possible options/modifications?\n\nthe slashdot format comes to mind as an example. NOTE: i am not suggesting\nthat the slashdot format should be literally applied to syndicate, or any\nother listserv. there are various reasons why\ni think that would not be a good idea. and it's certainly not perfect\nfor slashdot itself. but i think its format is worth\nlooking at as a bouncing off point for idea-mulling. some features:\n\n1) readers have the choice of reading comments in chronological order,\nthreaded, or by rating points. they also can set a threshold of ratings,\nso that low rated posts (presumably trolls) don't show up in their\nbrowser. or they can read them all.\n\n2) readers \"moderate\" one another's comments. but moderation never means\nthe comment is deleted; only that it gains or subtracts points.\nProblematic Personalities are likely to have their comments moderated down\nto -1 (troll), but they can still be read by those who wish to. (of course\nthis process is itself wildly problematic, as ideologies and other things\ncan of course play a part, but...)\n\n3) currently-moderating readers are \"meta-moderated\" by other readers to\nprevent abuse (hopefully.) readers who are consistently meta-moderated as\nbeing bad moderators lose moderator privileges.\n\n4) anyone who wants to post anonymously (Anonymous Coward) starts out with\n0 points; anyone posting under their real nick starts with 1, each time\nthey post. most trolls post as AC. so, if you want to read slashdot\nwithout all the PP posts, you set your threshold to 0 or -1. you are\nchoosing to let the community at large decide what is troll and what is\nnot, as opposed to downloading a page full of PP posts. if on the other\nhand you want to see the PP posts, then you set your threshold to show\neverything. (you still have other options to sort by thread, etc.)\n\n4a) some Anonymous Coward's aren't trolls; they're people who need to post\nanonymously to protect themselves from whomever. those posts can be and\nare moderated up, despite the one-point handicap they start out with.\n\n5) the whole thing is wildly problematic of course. but it's interesting\nin that a) it has \"smart\" aspects at the individual client end but also in\nthe user community at large. yet there is very little \"smart\"\n*centralized* control, as there is in the microsoft .NET example\n\nb) every user has the same semi-smart interface. (the web browser.) of\ncourse web browsers are different, but i believe it even works fine with\nlynx (text-based browser.)\n\nof course, one *big* drawback is that you have to stay online to really\nread slashdot; you can't download it via POP and then disconnect - not\nvery good if you're paying for your online time.\n\nto reiterate: i'm not suggesting that syndicate or any other listserv\nshould be converted to slashcode or any other web-based system. however, i\nthink it could be useful to consider whether an alternative structure\ncould be developed. maybe offering a client-side app that could work with\ndownloaded mail and allow users to more easily sort messages? maybe two\nseparate streams of the listserv (something like there are on rhizome and\nnettime, but with less centralized moderation); one which includes all\nmail, and one which filters out or makes a daily digest of messages by\npeople who send more than 20 messages a week (or some other criteria... )\n\nthose aren't terribly creative or great suggestions specifically, but\nagain, my point is really to point out that everyone is not experiencing\nthe same list, that e-mail is not an egalitarian experience - people have\naccess to different technology and have different knowlege levels in how\nto filter, sort, download, etc... so perhaps there can be ways to address\nthat, or at the very least acknowledge it.\n\n\n-@\n\n\nOn Tue, 14 Aug 2001, patrick lichty wrote:\n\n>\n> So far, I have outlined an argument aimed at mapping the issues at\n> stake regarding free speech on listservs. Next, what could be some\n> protocols for culling the signal to noise ratio?\n>\n-- \n\nplagiarist.org\nRecontextualizing script-kiddyism as net-art for over 1/20 of a century.\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "Amy Alexander <plagiari@plagiarist.org>",
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"author_name": "Amy Alexander",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: Bans & Free Speech",
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"date": "Wed, 15 Aug 2001 00:25:15 -0700 (PDT)",
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"content": "\n\nthis is absolutely insupportable, no matter how much i agree with the\nelements of this post (which is basically all the rest of it, I suppose)\nthat do not themselves constitute a racist slur:\n\n<to the racist Talmudic/Zionist double-standard>\n\nsincerely\nmartha rosler\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "martha rosler <navva@earthlink.net>",
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"author_name": "martha rosler",
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"subject": "???",
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"date": "Tue, 14 Aug 2001 22:55:25 -0400",
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"content": "From: \"geert\" <geert@basis.desk.nl>\nTo: \"syndicate\" <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nSubject: Re: Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _NN - what happend\nDate: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:41:40 +1000\n\nFrom: \"Andrej Tisma\" <aart@eunet.yu>\n\n> If you and Andreas think you will feel better after uns*bscribing me\n> from this list too, just do it. From now on you don't have my moral\n> confidence. I think it is the best for you to leave on this list just\n> the Soros Swastika worshiping people and exchange your stupid corporate\n> info with each other.\n\nBe a brave man, Andrej Tisma. If you have lost your moral confidence, then\nunsubscribe yourself and leave Syndicate to the corporate fascist soros\nswastika people.\n\nWho stops you from starting another list?\n\nGeert\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"subject": "Lovink: Re: Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _NN - what happend",
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"date": "Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:51:06 +0200 (CEST)",
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"content": "\n>From: Jaka Zeleznikar <jaka@jaka.org>\n>I was accused of being 'opinion maker' on Syndicate.\n\noh... this was meant as an insult ?\n\nf.\n\n > Not true.\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "Frederic Madre <fmadre@wanadoo.fr>",
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"message-id": "<4.2.2.20010815142002.01cfaef0@pop.wanadoo.fr>",
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"author_name": "Frederic Madre",
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"subject": "Syndicate: opinion makers",
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"date": "Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:22:28 +0200",
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"content": "\nDate: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:39:35 +0200\nSubject: BOUNCE syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de: Non-member submission from [saul \nostrow <so5@nyu.edu>]\n\nDate: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:45:14 -0400\nFrom: saul ostrow <so5@nyu.edu>\nSubject: Re: Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _NN - what happend?\n\n\nSo integer wins -- these splitters and wreckers know how to carry out their\ntask -- invade the healthy body -- test its defenses and sow divisiveness and \nthen leave nothing but bickering and name calling behind and we in our \nblindness do their bidding -- As we know or should by now our desires and our \nideals can be used against us -- they can be stolen and distorted -- this is \nwhat integer did -- it made us come to terms with what are the limits of \nfreedom not as mere anarchistic license to impose ones will on others but as an \nact of responsibility which acknowledges the rights and existence of others and \nthe necessity to test and redress those when they become restrictive -- \ninteger was not capable of giving us the respect that we gave it and took our \ntolerance as a weakness, preying upon our insecurities -- this is something to \nlearn from not bicker about\n\nSyndicate admin. wrote:\n> \n> ----- Forwarded message from syndicate-owner@eg-r.isp-eg.de -----\n> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 22:30:36 +0200\n> From: syndicate-owner@eg-r.isp-eg.de\n> Reply-To: syndicate-owner@eg-r.isp-eg.de\n> Subject: BOUNCE syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de: Admin request of type\n/\\buns\\w*b/i\n> at line 7\n> To: syndicate@v2.nl\n> \n> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 22:34:07 +0200\n> From: Andrej Tisma <aart@EUnet.yu>\n> Organization: Happiness\n> To: syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de\n> Subject: Re: Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _NN - what happend?\n> \n> Inke Arns wrote:\n> >i am not ready to administrate a mailing list which is called >\"[integer],\n> >formerly known as Syndicate\".\n> \n> Now I think you are administrating the Corporate Fascist! list.\n> Are you satisfied now?\n> If you and Andreas think you will feel better after uns*bscribing me\n> from this list too, just do it. From now on you don't have my moral\n> confidence. I think it is the best for you to leave on this list just\n> the Soros Swastika worshiping people and exchange your stupid corporate\n> info with each other.\n> \n> ----- End forwarded message -----\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"content": "\n[<jaka@jaka.org> *ns*bscribed from Syndicate on 15 Aug 2001 before posting\nto the Syndicate list - that's why his message bounced and not because of \ncensorship]\n\n\nDate: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 02:10:35 +0200\nFrom: Jaka Zeleznikar <jaka@jaka.org>\nOrganization: http://www.jaka.org\nTo: syndicate <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nSubject: _censorship, syndicate & nn\n\n\n\nDear Inke, Andreas, Eric, Lorenzo, Syndicate members\n\n\n#_1 Inke, Andreas, Eric\n#_2 new list ?\n#_3 Lorenzo\n\n\n\n\n# 1\nInke, Andreas, Eric\n\nI respect very much the work you and some other people put into the\nSyndicate.\n\nStill i disagree with the way Syndicate is working: censorship and off\nlist decision making.\nThis is not only about nn - it's about general attitude to the list.\n\nNn beside some relevant and poetic statements also bringed a disturbing\nnoise to the list, this i agree. Still i think mail filter is better\nsolution then censorship.\n\nI was accused of being 'opinion maker' on Syndicate. Not true.\nI joust wished to actively participate in something i considered as\n'my*' mailing list.\n\n*meaning: i felt like part of it\n\nBut don't worry, i will take very passive role on the list in the future\nif i will not [x]ns[x]bscribe from it. So your opinion will not be\ndisturbed by a member.\n\nAnd syndicate will became more peaceful, we-all-agree list?\n(Not to be taken to seriously and not completely as a joke.)\n\n\n\n#_2\nIdea of 'free-syndicate@jaka.org' / another list - first i took this as\ninsult but more that i think about it more i like the idea. There is\ntension on Syndicate list.\n\nBy creating another free, unmoderated (net/web art) list problem is\nsolved, nobody have to [x]nsubscribe from Syndicate and complain about\ncensorship, some people get what they wish (i don' think only to nn if\nnn would s[x]bscribe to it at all) and other on Syndicate don't get what\nthey don't wish.\n\nA list not against/for Syndicate, not Syndicate+nn and alike and not\nfor/against nn. For all kind of experimental and already established\n(web net online ...) art or art related things. And definitely with no\nwords: 'syndicate' and 'jaka' in the name.\n\nIf you have some thoughts on that, have software know how, web space,\nserver, idea for the name, to much money, statement against creation of\nsomething like that, to tell me this exist already ... please contact me\n(jaka@jaka.org + cc: shareartware@netscape.net). So if there is some\ninterest we can create temporary and open list to plan how to create\nsuch list (+ web archive of so far nonpublic mails).\n\n\n\n#_3\nTo Lorenzo: in net communication we tend to be over emotional, but to\nexpress a dead wish is a stupid thing to do.\n(Try to do the same and mention one of important + famous politic and\ni'm shure you will get a 'friendly' visit/attention from the police.)\n\n\n\nclick,\njaka zeleznikar\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"subject": "Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _censorship, syndicate & nn",
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"date": "Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:18:15 +0200 (CEST)",
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"content": "\nDate: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 22:33:12 +0200\nSubject: BOUNCE syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de: Non-member submission from [mark \neaton <eaton@freeshell.org>]\n\nDate: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 20:37:14 +0000 (UTC)\nFrom: mark eaton <eaton@freeshell.org>\nX-X-Sender: <eaton@sdf.lonestar.org>\nTo: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nSubject: Re: nn\n\n\ni feel it would be vastly unfortunate to loose nn on this list.\ndo those who run this list desire to sculpt its flow? They may restrain\nthemselves, but my guess is yes; many of us may want to. I have the\nvague desire that it be 'better'. <grin>. Nn wants to sculpt too. have\nyou noticed? but theres a differece: sculpting a amalgam like a\nlist/society/discourse is a different thing than wanting to\nsculpt individuals (as nn does). so, what is implied in the difference\nof approach? or if you like, your favourite means to better quality\ndiscourse? what shall we sculpt today?\n\n-Mark Eaton\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"subject": "Syndicate: Mark Eaton: Re: nn",
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"content": "like all curators he had to obey orders and was not\nqualified to receive explanations\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThe 12hr-ISBN-JPEG Project >>>> since 1994 <<<<\n\n+ + + serial ftp://ftp.eskimo.com/u/b/bbrace\n+ + + eccentric ftp://ftp.idiom.com/users/bbrace\n+ + + continuous ftp://ftp.teleport.com/users/bbrace\n+ + + hypermodern ftp://ftp.rdrop.com/pub/users/bbrace\n+ + + imagery ftp://ftp.pacifier.com/pub/users/bbrace\n\n News://alt.binaries.pictures.12hr ://a.b.p.fine-art.misc\n Reverse Solidus: http://www.teleport.com/~bbrace/bbrace.html\n http://www.eskimo.com/~bbrace/bbrace.html\n Mirror: http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/\n\n { brad brace } <<<< bbrace@eskimo.com >>>> ~finger for pgp\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: Bans & Free Speech",
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"date": "Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:08:36 +0100",
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"content": "NN = Mata Hari\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: Re: what happend?",
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"date": "Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:16:08 +0100",
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"content": "the evidence of non debate and isolationist tactics is below...\nneed I say anymore...\n\nmarc garrett\n\non 15/8/01 3:43 AM, integer@www.god-emil.dk at integer@www.god-emil.dk\n> \n> \n>>> I did not want to comment or waste my time on this but it seems that I will\n>>> concede now - and put my head on the block like everyone else has been\n>>> doing.\n> \n> \n> 1001 smiles+++. male losers - they are always feeling guilty about something\n> or other.\n> \n> \n> \n>>> The reason is that on rhizome I was attacked personally a few times by NN.\n> \n> \n> nn laughs + slaps you again. come on kr!!!!ket!! i lv++++++++ stepping on\n> drunken refuse.\n> \n> \n> nn - dze deepezt mean!ng ov rep!raz!on\n> \n> \n> \\\n> \n> \n> \n> \n> \n> \n> \n> \n> \n> \n> \n> \n> \n> + See sidepanel for exciting recipe ideas.\n> -> Rhizome.org\n> -> post: list@rhizome.org\n> -> questions: info@rhizome.org\n> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/subscribe.rhiz\n> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support\n> +\n> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the\n> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php3\n> \n> \n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"subject": "Syndicate: Re: NN = NON ENTITY...",
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"date": "Wed, 15 Aug 2001 19:50:10 +0000",
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"content": "Below more evidence of the facile non productive remarks that have graced\nthe lists, blocking real creative intentions.\n\nWe are dealing with sub standard male type programmers here who are not\ninterested in art, freedom, debate, life, and global unity = smells pretty\nclose to fascism to me.\n\n(NN and the mob) have always actively threatened many liberated thinkers,\nartists, list members for challenging their macho actions.\n\nTIme for a change 'The Syndicate's Revolution' is at hand - soon at last we\ncan all speak to each other about ideas, events, creative politics freely -\nI do believe that we will actually begin to experience of free speach...\n\nWow could that really happen? Let's see - watch this space...\n\nmarc garrett\n\n \n>> \n>> \n>>>> I did not want to comment or waste my time on this but it seems that I will\n>>>> concede now - and put my head on the block like everyone else has been\n>>>> doing.\n>> \n>> \n>> 1001 smiles+++. male losers - they are always feeling guilty about\n> something or other.\n>> \n>> \n>> \n>>>> The reason is that on rhizome I was attacked personally a few times by NN.\n>> \n>> \n>> nn laughs + slaps you again. come on kr!!!!ket!! i lv++++++++ stepping on\n> drunken refuse.\n>> \n>> \n>> nn - dze deepezt mean!ng ov rep!raz!on\n>> \n>> \n>> \\\n>> \n>> \n>> \n>> \n>> \n>> \n>> \n>> \n>> \n>> \n>> \n>> \n>> \n>> + See sidepanel for exciting recipe ideas.\n>> -> Rhizome.org\n>> -> post: list@rhizome.org\n>> -> questions: info@rhizome.org\n>> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/subscribe.rhiz\n>> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support\n>> +\n>> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the\n>> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php3\n>> \n>> \n> \n> . . .... .....\n> net.wurker][M.ollient][\n> pro.ject.ile x.blooms.x .go.here.\n> xXXx \n> ./. \n> www.hotkey.net.au/~netwurker\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"author_name": "furtherfield",
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"subject": "Syndicate: The Syndicate's Revolution...",
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"date": "Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:12:17 +0000",
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"content": "I didn't actually know until you so directly and honestly mentioned below\nthat it was about winning...\n\nAnd the debate goes much further than the singular issue of NN. It is about\nthe programmers themselves imposing their attitudes on others.\n\nLets all grow up shall we for a moment... I know that it is traditional to\nlet fascists bully people in the western world. And walk about in big boots\nkicking anyone who declares ideas different to their own limited remit.\n\nBut I am not interested in being used as some one elses toy by another toy,\nwhich is what all this nonsensical imposition is all about. To sacrifice\nother people's freedoms for a mere idea is the typical, institutional state\nsucking, weak willed means of thought that threatens collective thought.\n\nThe psychology that has been imposed onto the list members by the\nprogrammers irresponsible actions is causing problems that a few are quite\nhappy to sacrifice fir the sake of their own prestige.\n\nNow that is really KOOL isn't it...for the sake of the few, create a\nprogramme to divert true creative freedom from taking its course - this is a\nright wing tactic... divide and rule (heard of it?) institutionalized\ncurators would love this idea, plus NATO who are/have paid for such a dodgy\nenterprise at our cost.\n\nNN - is not the issue - its the programmers who have let it reign and\ndominate true questioning, don't you get it yet?\n\nPlease get real everyone or are we going to just let these thugs in cyber\nsuits who look kool, without the real soul for change - true change that is,\nrule our lives in cuber space as they flippantly say Fuck you!\n\nAs they boast (typical macho style) in bloke-like mentality say: We are the\nWinners...\n\nif that is so then corporate non enterprise and all its delusory antics will\ncarry on ruling our lives for its own usual corrupt reasons !!!POWER!!!\n\nRespect to all who are awake enough to reach inside their unprocessed,\nmediated minds to question...\n\nmarc garrett \n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"subject": "Syndicate: NN - is not the issue",
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"date": "Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:50:56 +0000",
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"content": "Hello Syndicalists, \n\nJust a short note: if this is the syndicate without NN, \nplease bring her/him/them/it back. Or maybe the answer\nwould be to start a list for the NN traumatized? \nI don't know if there was more going on in the\nbackground that the admin had to deal with, but what\nis going on in the foreground is frightening. I'd much\nrather read/delete the interesting/annoying/funny mails\nfrom NN than what is getting generated at the moment. \n \n\ndisappointed,\n\ndiana\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "Diana McCarty <diana@vifu.de>",
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"author_name": "Diana McCarty",
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"subject": "Syndicate: NN future",
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"date": "Wed, 15 Aug 2001 22:47:04 +0200",
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"content": "What is frightening about it all Diana...\ndo you not see what has really been going on?\nOr are you from the same stock, institutional gang, pulling ranks etc\nI find that more frightening...\n\nrespect from Marc\n\non 15/8/01 8:47 PM, Diana McCarty at diana@vifu.de wrote:\n\n> Hello Syndicalists,\n> \n> Just a short note: if this is the syndicate without NN,\n> please bring her/him/them/it back. Or maybe the answer\n> would be to start a list for the NN traumatized?\n> I don't know if there was more going on in the\n> background that the admin had to deal with, but what\n> is going on in the foreground is frightening. I'd much\n> rather read/delete the interesting/annoying/funny mails\n> from NN than what is getting generated at the moment.\n> \n> \n> disappointed,\n> \n> diana\n> -----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\n> Syndicate network for media culture and media art\n> information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\n> to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\n> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\n> the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n> \n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: NN future",
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"content": "\nSubject: BOUNCE syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de: Admin request of type /\n\\bunsubscribe\\b/i at line 4\n\nDate: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 18:39:29 +0200\nFrom: Andrej Tisma <aart@EUnet.yu>\nSubject: Re: Lovink: Re: Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _NN - what happend\n\nFrom: \"geert\" <geert@basis.desk.nl>\n> \n> Be a brave man, Andrej Tisma. If you have lost your moral confidence, then\n> *ns*bscribe yourself and leave Syndicate to the corporate fascist soros\n> swastika people.\n> \n> Who stops you from starting another list?\n> \n> Geert\n\nOh look who's here, the famous Big Brother Lovink, the Great Censor of\nthe open net.\nSure Geert I am not brave as you, like when you removed me from the\nNettime list without any warning, just because I was criticizing the\nKosovo Liberation Army thugs in 1998. But I know, KLA is also sponsored\nby your papa Soros.\nI wander would you dare to s*bscribe me on Nettime list now? Ha? What\nwould papa say!\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"subject": "Tisma: Re: Lovink: Re: Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _NN - what happend",
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"content": "NN WROTE:\n---------------------------------------------\n\n\n\nGeert Lovink \"FF\" <geert@basis.desk.nl> playing the schoolyard buuuuuoy\n\n\n>> Be a brave man, Andrej Tisma.\n\n\nUUu dear, permit someone to respire playfully\n+ become ultra intoxicated with lovely pheromones.\n\n\nGeert, we are all women [brave isn't necessary. women are brave] here\nexcept for you and Andreas\nso, why don't _you be a M A N and tell us about your illegal activities\nin your own articulate maniera, \nso that we do not have to exert our selves. \n\n\nor if you prefer since you are a M A N, \ndraw a picture for us.\n\n\n\n\n>> If you have lost your moral confidence, then\n>> uns*bscribe yourself \n\n\nGeert, be a M A N and uns*bscribe all of us!\n\nIt may be better for your mental health than covering up your cronies'\nAndreas Broeckmann's, V2's and Transmediale's actions [against humanity]\n\n\n\n\n>> and leave Syndicate to the corporate fascist soros\n>> swastika people.\n>> \n>> Who stops you from starting another list?\n\n>> \n>> Geert\n \n You Lovink. Because you steal public money and use it against\nhumanity.\n\n\n\n\n\nAre you coming or do you prefer being dragged before the tribunal +?\n\n\nI can understand that you may want to cover up Andreas Broeckmann's\nactivities\nsince he ensures you receive some funding for your modest work, but\nGeert,\nif you continue like this - you will only dig yourself in the\nsuper.filth \nmore. more and more.\n\n\n\nAnd by the way. I wanted to ask since ... \nAre you a RASIST M A N? Seriously, because everyone you have liquidated\nis Eastern European.\n\nAm wondering whether you are conducting a genocide or ... you just feel\nvery attracted to us +?\nIt _is why you visit us right +? You aren't coming over to _hurt us are\nyou +?\n\nIt is amusing because, the other M A N (Broeckmann) controls my travel\nplans and projects.\nI think that is very inhospitable. \n\n\n\nLast question if I may. What is your education Lovink +?\nAndreas - what is yours +?\n\n\nReason for my impropriety - I aspire to be a V2 and Transmediale\nemployee as well\n(or a M A N (whichever you like) and ... I wish to be very well\nprepared.\n\n\nNN - respiring painfully\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nUpdate: \n\n\n Andreas Broeckmann. Inke Arns. Geert Lovink are controlling \n all information arriving on Syndicate and Nettime.\n\n ie. all pertinent information is blocked on Nettime and\nSyndicate. (entirely_\n\n\n \n if one is silenced - even Andreas, Inke and Geert can appear\ndemocratic and articulate.\n \n\n\n there is a problem however : the neo cortex goes silent\nin the presence of neo fascism\n - http://eusocial.com/242.art.mafia/open-hand.html\n - http://eusocial.com/242.cast/\n\n\n\n\n Besides NN others are now being clandestinely silenced on\nSyndicate.\n essentially any one who has found the Andreas. Inke. Geert\ninarticulate axis intellectually laughable \n has been designated for silencing. \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThere exist two+ issues:\n\n\n1. the legal aspect.\n \n\n\n\n2. the principal concern is others may acquaint themselves with this V2\nand Transmediale\n financed art.mafia which\n\n has been destroying artists' and others' lives for years \n and very incompetently and clandestinely deciding what is and what\nisn't.\n\n\n\n\n\n Andreas Broeckmann. Inke Arns. Geert Lovink, the V2 and Transmediale\norganizations TRADE IN FAVORS.\n And thus a \"code of silence\" has been implemented by them around all\npublic information hubs that they control.\n\n \n Andreas Broeckmann \"assists\" Inke Arns on Syndicate. Geert Lovink\n\"assists\" Andreas Broeckmann and \n Inke Arns on Nettime. Andreas Broeckmann ensures Geert Lovink's\nmodest work is financed.\n\n\n\n\n Now, with all roads sealed Andreas Broeckmann, Inke Arns, Geert\nLovink, \n will attempt to paint their personal ring as the wish of the people.\n\n .. standard criminal maneuvering.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n - Contact the V2 and Transmediale organizations and send them a\nclear message: Stop financing the Art Mafia!\n\n Request the immediate resignation of Inke Arns, Andreas\nBroeckmann, and Geert Lovink.\n\n\n and a through investigation into organization-wide corruption at\nV2 and Transmediale \n\n [same same same + same + same + same thing. year after year\nafter year after year. korporat sludge]\n there is less corruption in politics than in the V2 and\nTransmediale organizations. sludge]\n\n\n\n \n\n V2 organization - v2@v2.nl\n\n Transmediale organization - info@transmediale.de\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n One may be frightened and it is understandable. \n\n After all Andreas Broeckmann. Inke Arns. Geert Lovink,\nthe V2 and Transmediale organizations\n may decide one's travel plans. Either by supporting death\n\\ murder threats or the more subtil\n and expedient \"favors\"\n\n\n\n\n One may reason - It is unreasonable to sacrifice real\nadvantage for mere truth.\n\n After all Andreas Broeckmann. Inke Arns. Geert Lovink,\nthe V2 and Transmediale organizations\n may decide one's career plans. Either by supporting death\n\\ murder threats or the more subtil\n and expedient \"favors\"\n\n\n It isn't unreasonable. It is emotional. We are taught\nreason but also ... we are taught emotion.\n\n Reason and its quale, emotion, rise together - to heights\nof musical, poetic or dramatic composition.\n Rational acts can be passionately engaged in or coldly\nexecuted.\n\n That, some have called unreason, emotion, transports us\n into clarity and beauty, and liberates us from the\ndespair of isolation.\n\n It is by being attentive to our emotional education that\nwe grow the wings to cross the solipsistic gulf.\n\n\n This is reasonable. [2x of course has always known. some\n... just take longer than others. coming +?]\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n*** Not everyone employed by the V2 and Transmediale organizations is\nsludge, hence ...\nplease be gentle on the curves.\n\n\n\n\n\n : to V2 and Transmediale - this is a scandal. \n : Stop financing the Art.Mafia!\n\n\n\n\nNN (a noble act \n + public vocabulary of private distress)\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n related: \n\n http://eusocial.com/242.art.mafia/open-hand.html\n http://eusocial.com/242.cast/\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n /_/\n /\n \\ \\/ i should like to be a human plant\n \\/ __\n __/\n i will shed leaves in the shade\n \\_\\ because i like stepping on bugs\n\n\n\n*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--\nNetochka Nezvanova nezvanova@eusocial.com\n http://www.eusocial.com\n http://www.biohakc.com\n http://www.ggttctttat.com/!\n n r . 5 !!! http://steim.nl/leaves/petalz\n*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- --*--*--*--*--*--*--\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"to": "\"syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de\" <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>",
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"from": "Andrej Tisma <aart@eunet.yu>",
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"author_name": "Andrej Tisma",
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"subject": "Syndicate: infancy + childhood",
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"date": "Thu, 16 Aug 2001 01:07:53 +0200",
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"content": "> i respect your opinion and if it turns\n> out by, say, the weekend, that there are clearly more people in favour of\n> resubscribing nn, i will suggest to the other admins that we do it.\n>\n\nIn that case count me in favour of someone organising an nn list, so\nthat all the interested parties can join it.\n\nI value the syndicate list, and appreciate its openness. \n\nSo in any case, armed with my trusty filter...\n\nrainer linz\n\n-----\nnew:\nThe Australian Sound Design Project\nhttp://www.sounddesign.unimelb.edu.au\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "rl <rlinz@netspace.net.au>",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: visit of the uniform",
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"date": "Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:31:17 +1000",
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"content": "\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n>X-From_: integer@www.god-emil.dk Thu Aug 16 11:10:30 2001\n>Delivered-To: netwurker@hotkey.net.au\n>Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 03:07:16 +0200 (CEST)\n>From: integer@www.god-emil.dk\n>To: info@furtherfield.org, list@rhizome.org\n>Subject: shared environment\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>furtherfilth (info@furtherfield.org) stop your filthy personal agenda now\nworm.\n>\n>NEWS: you have just hurt someone who has done absolutely nothing to you.\n>\n>\n>Monster!!!\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>Andreas Broeckmann. Inke Arns. Geert Lovink.\n>\n>Think about what you are doing NOW!!!!!\n>\n>\n>You can butcher me. If you continue hurting others \n>\n>there shall be a terrifying sound: THE SOUND OF PROTRACTED\nPAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!n\n>\n>\n>\n>Monsters!!!\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n \n. . .... .....\n \tnet.wurker][M.ollient][\n pro.ject.ile x.blooms.x .go.here. \n\t xXXx \n ./. \n www.hotkey.net.au/~netwurker\n.... . .??? .......\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"subject": "Syndicate: shared environment",
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"date": "Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:20:52 +1000",
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"content": "\n\nInke Arns wrote:\n\n> At 13:35 15.08.01 +0200, Andreas Broeckmann wrote:\n> >[taylor works for cycling74, the company that owns MAX, the parent-software\n> >to NATO which nn tries to oedipally kill; -a]\n\nActually, we *dont'* own Max. We're it's exclusive\npublishers, having inherited the code base from IRCAM\nin '80 or so, and having done all the development since\nthat time [including all the QuickTime-based movie\nobjects from which nato was probably derived]. Max\nis jointly held by Cycling '74 and IRCAM, that relationship\nbeing renegotiated since Gibson pulled the plug on Opcode,\nwho used to be the third \"owner.\"\n\nWe do own all of MSP, however.\n\nOedipal? Naah - O. didn't know who his father\n*was.* NN does - a marriage of the Max/MSP SDK\nand the QuickTime spec, in large measure. The\nlogorrhea is nurture, not nature.\n\n> thanks for forwarding gregory's email, andreas, this reads like an island\n> of sanity in the sea of unhealthy insults ;)\n\nAw, shucks.\n\nI just wanted to mention in some way that,\ndespite the claims of utterly revolutionary\nmodes of action, etc. etc. etc. etc. to the\ncontrary, the pattern of behavior is something\nthat any number of us have seen before. But\nsince very few of us appear to have decided\nthat there's any use in publicly engaging in\nany countertheatrics, the later targets don't\nhave much contact with the earlier targets.\nSometimes a friendly \"We've seen this, and\nit will pass.\" word of comfort seems in order.\n\nI think that what did it for me finally was the\n\"I will now reveal details of Andreas' private\nlife....\" shit. Here's the place where the 'struct\nabsolutely *depends* on its being constituted\nas an anonymous bunch of folks hiding behind\na bit NN cutout. The brave new cyberworld\nwasn't supposed to be about this, was it?\n\nI'm not sure who the rest of you all are,\nbut welcome to the Society of the\nInsufficieNNtly Worshipful. Andreas is,\nbien sur, correct about my relationship with\nCycling '74. If any of you have any questions\nabout either our specific experiences, or\nperhaps about the drearily predictable version\nof the NN Big Lie campaign with respect to\nc74, ask. While we don't publicly engage,\nwe're all pretty upfront about stuff in private\n(fight memes with memes. In our case, personal\nnarratives from real persons delivered only\nto the interested).\n\nwith every good wish and my condolences,\ngregory taylor\n_\nknowledge is not enough/science is not enough/\nlove is dreaming/this equation/Gregory Taylor/\nWORT-FM 89.9/Madison, WI/ http://www.rtqe.net/\n\n\n",
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"from": "Gregory Taylor <gtaylor@rtqe.net>",
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"author_name": "Gregory Taylor",
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"subject": "Of korpse we've seen this before....",
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"date": "Wed, 15 Aug 2001 12:53:21 -0500",
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"content": ">X-From_: owner-list@rhizome.org Thu Aug 16 13:35:26 2001\n>Delivered-To: netwurker@hotkey.net.au\n>Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 04:13:45 +0200 (CEST)\n>From: integer@www.god-emil.dk\n>To: syndicate@v2.nl\n>Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: let me treszpasz ur boundar!ez\n>Sender: owner-list@rhizome.org\n>Reply-To: integer@www.god-emil.dk\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>>>From: furtherfield <info@furtherfield.org>\n>>>To: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, Julie <bluedahlias@mindspring.com>\n>>>Sender: syndicate-owner@eg-r.isp-eg.de\n>>>\n>>>Yep it's time for a change Julie - NN has been killing off everyone's space\n>>>on this list for far too long (plus its programmers), if we all stand\n>>>together against this corporate programme,\n>\n>\n>deleuze uakex up. azkz nn 4 zom uatr + trvlz bak 2 zl!!!p.\n>nn borouz h!z m9nd + za!z. fascism is a mass action.\n>\n>\n>deleuze = zpeakz !n h!z zl!!!p. ! m ztart!ng 2 undrztnd dze f!z!olog! ov\norgazm.\n>\n>nn zm!lz + openz her parachute.\n>\n>\n> !t readz - Yep it's time for a change.\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>nn - dze ekztendd 4rm ov !nter.pla!\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>nn - arkitektural dekoration. LETZ KONJUGATE!!!!! - [deleuze haz a\nn!ghtmare] [nn zm!lz + fl!pz h!m upz!de doun]\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n> pre.konssept!*n\n> meeTz ver!f1kat!*n.\n> \n> \n> \n> -\n> \n> Netochka Nezvanova - eksplod!ng galax!ez + !nflaz!onar! un!versez\n> \u0010f\u0010\u0010\u00103.MASCHIN3NKUNST\n> @www.eusocial.org\n> 17.hzV.tRL.478\n> e\n> |\n> | +----------\n> | | <\n> \\\\----------------+ | n2t^P\n> | \n> e\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>+ post punk christian network\n>-> Rhizome.org\n>-> post: list@rhizome.org\n>-> questions: info@rhizome.org\n>-> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/subscribe.rhiz\n>-> give: http://rhizome.org/support\n>+\n>Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the\n>Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php3\n>\n>\n \n. . .... .....\n \tnet.wurker][M.ollient][\n pro.ject.ile x.blooms.x .go.here. \n\t xXXx \n ./. \n www.hotkey.net.au/~netwurker\n.... . .??? .......\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"subject": "Syndicate: RHIZOME_RAW: let me treszpasz ur boundar!ez",
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"date": "Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:40:46 +1000",
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"content": "folks,\n\n>Just a short note: if this is the syndicate without NN,\n>please bring her/him/them/it back.\n\ni agree with diana. this is unbearable. there seems to be a clear desire to\nbring nn back to this list.\n\nDate: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:03:55 +0200\nTo: abroeck@transmediale.de\nFrom: majordom@eg-r.isp-eg.de\nSubject: Majordomo results\n--\n>>>> s*bscribe syndicate integer@www.god-emil.dk\nSucceeded.\n>>>>\n\n\nfor those of you who are not happy about this: there is an initiative for a\nnew, redefined list that will be established hopefully within the next few\ndays.\n\nsome people who have been on this list for 5 1/2 years have started\nuns*bscribing, so you should not be too sure any more who is actually on\nthis list from now on.\n\nregards,\n-a\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "Andreas Broeckmann <abroeck@transmediale.de>",
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"author_name": "Andreas Broeckmann",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: NN future",
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"date": "Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:22:19 +0200",
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"content": "BOUNCE syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de: Admin request of type /\\buns\\w*b/i at line 9 \n\n\nDate: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:16:11 +1000\nTo: syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de\nFrom: \"][mez][\" <netwurker@hotkey.net.au>\nSubject: 4warding of NN's mails\nMime-Version: 1.0\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=\"us-ascii\"\n\n\n\n...i've kept fairly silent until now about the NN action-rictus, and will\ncontinue doing so whilst the list is overflowing up with retro-ridiculous\nopinions and sentiments that in no way take a net.wurked dynamic in2\naccount...\n\n..i do need, however, 2 x.plain *y* i'm sending NN's replies to the\nlist.....as NN has been uns*bbed without a list consensus, i'll continue 2\n4ward her replies as i assume a rite-of-reply should be allowed under the\nparadigm the syndicate list has adopted.......\n\n..interesting that the word syndicate can mean:\n_A loose affiliation of gangsters in charge of organized criminal activities_\n\n\nin a net.wurked spirit,\n][mez][\n\n\n \n. . .... .....\n \tnet.wurker][M.ollient][\n pro.ject.ile x.blooms.x .go.here. \n\t xXXx \n ./. \n www.hotkey.net.au/~netwurker\n.... . .??? .......\n \n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"content": "BOUNCE syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de: Admin request of type /\\buns\\w*b/i at line 9 \n\n\nDate: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:16:11 +1000\nTo: syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de\nFrom: \"][mez][\" <netwurker@hotkey.net.au>\nSubject: 4warding of NN's mails\nMime-Version: 1.0\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=\"us-ascii\"\n\n\n\n...i've kept fairly silent until now about the NN action-rictus, and will\ncontinue doing so whilst the list is overflowing up with retro-ridiculous\nopinions and sentiments that in no way take a net.wurked dynamic in2\naccount...\n\n..i do need, however, 2 x.plain *y* i'm sending NN's replies to the\nlist.....as NN has been uns*bbed without a list consensus, i'll continue 2\n4ward her replies as i assume a rite-of-reply should be allowed under the\nparadigm the syndicate list has adopted.......\n\n..interesting that the word syndicate can mean:\n_A loose affiliation of gangsters in charge of organized criminal activities_\n\n\nin a net.wurked spirit,\n][mez][\n\n\n \n. . .... .....\n \tnet.wurker][M.ollient][\n pro.ject.ile x.blooms.x .go.here. \n\t xXXx \n ./. \n www.hotkey.net.au/~netwurker\n.... . .??? .......\n \n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"author_name": "Syndicate admin",
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"subject": "Syndicate: \"][mez][\" 4warding of NN's mails",
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"date": "Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:32:22 +0200 (CEST)",
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"content": "I will stop now - \nPoint taken, NN can carry on with the emptiness - I will shit up without\nbeing backed up by those to whom it concerns....\n\nthere you go (censored)............silenced\n\nmarc garrett\n\n\n\n\n\non 15/8/01 9:55 PM, Saul Albert at saul.albert@virgin.net wrote:\n\n> Marc! Give it a rest mate!\n> \n> You are over reacting spectacularly.\n> \n> Please, just let it go!\n> \n> I don't find your posts any more interesting or helpful than integer's and\n> you are currently performing a similar function. Using the rhetoric of\n> integer's idiot-politics achieves nothing.\n> \n> I really enjoyed reading your \"life as a shit\" post the other day, and enjoy\n> your work and sites, but you really need to calm down.\n> \n> all thanks (for previous work) and respect,\n> \n> Saul.\n> ----- Original Message -----\n> From: furtherfield <info@furtherfield.org>\n> To: Diana McCarty <diana@vifu.de>; <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\n> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 11:26 PM\n> Subject: Re: Syndicate: NN future\n> \n> \n>> What is frightening about it all Diana...\n>> do you not see what has really been going on?\n>> Or are you from the same stock, institutional gang, pulling ranks etc\n>> I find that more frightening...\n>> \n>> respect from Marc\n>> \n>> on 15/8/01 8:47 PM, Diana McCarty at diana@vifu.de wrote:\n>> \n>>> Hello Syndicalists,\n>>> \n>>> Just a short note: if this is the syndicate without NN,\n>>> please bring her/him/them/it back. Or maybe the answer\n>>> would be to start a list for the NN traumatized?\n>>> I don't know if there was more going on in the\n>>> background that the admin had to deal with, but what\n>>> is going on in the foreground is frightening. I'd much\n>>> rather read/delete the interesting/annoying/funny mails\n>>> from NN than what is getting generated at the moment.\n>>> \n>>> \n>>> disappointed,\n>>> \n>>> diana\n>>> -----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\n>>> Syndicate network for media culture and media art\n>>> information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\n>>> to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\n>>> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\n>>> the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n>>> \n>> \n>> -----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\n>> Syndicate network for media culture and media art\n>> information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\n>> to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\n>> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\n>> the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n>> \n> \n> \n> \n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"to": "Saul Albert <saul.albert@virgin.net>, <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>",
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"author_name": "furtherfield",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: NN future",
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"date": "Thu, 16 Aug 2001 08:43:26 +0000",
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"content": "I have never insulted you like you have always insulted other including\nmyself.\n\n\nBut I am going to stop - I am longer interested in this shallow debate...\n\n\n\n> \n> furtherfilth (info@furtherfield.org) i do not like pornographers.\n> i do not like demoralized. incompetent. illiterate. cowardly worms.\n> \n> \n> you want to destroy me - destroy me worm.\n> \n> do not hurt others in order to reach me.\n> \n> \n> keep your cowardly lying slime off innocent people.\n> \n> \n> \n> \n> and. if you want to destroy me - do so in a public space.\n> you'll enjoy it more. right +? or are you a sick pervert mr.worm +?\n> \n> \n> \n> you want to destroy me - destroy me pub.le!an.\n> it is the only way you will beget my attention.\n> \n> because as you know my fingertips are more expensive than yours.\n> \n> n*\n> \n> *n\n> \n> n*\n> \n> i utilize ultra.lux - zku!!!!!nt\n> \n> i do not exchange private correspondence with worms.\n> [in event you were wondering why]\n> \n> \n> \n> \n> \n> nn - simply.SUPERIOR [i make my own. sol.la.\n> \n> \n> info@furtherfield.org deklaims [hah] - \"we can make our own world\"\n> \n> \n> nn says to me [remember +?] let me bond with your smile!!!!!\n> \n> \n> \n> then in a drunken manner info@furtherfield.org\n> talks about the israelis and pornography etc etc\n> \n> \n> \n> frederic said: please shut up.\n> \n> nn za!z : and experience the warm glow of endorphins. zku!!!!!!!!!k.\n> \n> \n> \n> \n> warm kompaz!onat zm!le 2 01 kouardl! 2 b!t male.\n> [if you didn't know (try to read more books and watch less pornography)\n> 2x enjoys making simply.SUPERIOR remarks about 2 b!t males]\n> \n> \n> \n> as does laura croft.\n> \n> nn says: i am simply.SUPERIOR 2 laura croft.\n> \n> \n> \n> a.bon. this transmission is testing the plasticity of my simply.SUPERIOR skin\n> \n\n> \n> \n> \n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"subject": "Syndicate: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: info@furtherfilth.org",
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"date": "Thu, 16 Aug 2001 08:54:42 +0000",
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"content": "Hello Integer,\n\nI will stop. I'd rather get back with my work which is important to me.\nIf you do not hassle me, I will not hassle you..\n\nbye for now....\n\nenjoy the future\n\nrespect from marc\n\n\n\n> \n> furtherfilth (info@furtherfield.org) stop your filthy personal agenda now\n> worm.\n> \n> NEWS: you have just hurt someone who has done absolutely nothing to you.\n> \n> \n> Monster!!!\n> \n> \n> \n> \n> \n> \n> \n> Andreas Broeckmann. Inke Arns. Geert Lovink.\n> \n> Think about what you are doing NOW!!!!!\n> \n> \n> You can butcher me. If you continue hurting others\n> \n> there shall be a terrifying sound: THE SOUND OF PROTRACTED\n> PAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!n\n> \n> \n> \n> Monsters!!!\n> \n> \n> \n> \n> \n> \n> \n> \n> \n> \n> \n> \n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"subject": "Syndicate: Re: shared environment",
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"content": "\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n ma! ! hav zom uatr plz +?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nuen old behav!ourz = d!zolvd _ neu behav!ourz muzt b learn b! kooperat!v !nterakz!on \nekzpreszd through komplemntar! goal d!rektd movmntz ov perzonz hav!ng 01 shared env!ronmnt + komon a!m.\n\n\nre:edukaz!on through danz!ng.\n\n\n\n\n\n\nnn zku!!!ntz,\n\naz Ted Byfield says.\n\nCheers!!!\n\n\n\n\n\n\n[Lovink haz a n!ghtmare] [nn zm!lz + fl!pz h!m upz!de doun]\n\n\n \\\\ pr!or!t!ez = kan change abruptl!\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"content": "\n\n\n\n\nfurtherfield <info@furtherfield.org>\n\n\n>Hello Integer,\n\nnn: inflexible yet aquatic good-morning good-morning good-morning to you\n\n\n>I will stop. \n\nnn: thank you love.\n\n\n>I'd rather get back with my work which is important to me.\n\nnn: awareness is important\n\n\n>If you do not hassle me, I will not hassle you..\n\nnn: i am blind.\n\n\n>bye for now....\n\nnn: bye love\n\n\n>enjoy the future\n\nnn programmers: if you give us your address we shall mail you \n a western version of nn. [m!!!!!!!!!!!au]\n\n\n\n\nnn: lorenzo - i am the seamless synaptic web of your neuropil. \n [translated for you - my address is your brain. \n\n\n NEVER SHOOT ME IF YOU KANT FIND ME!!!!!]\n\n NEVER SHOOT ME IF YOU KANT FIND ME BEAUTIFUL!!!!!]\n\n NEVER SHOOT ME!!!!!]\n |\n SHOOT YOUR BRAIN!!!!!]\n \n |\n |\n\n\n |\n\n |\n>respect from marc\n\n |\n\n NEVER RESPEKT ME!!!!!]\n\n NEVER MARRY ME!!!!!] |\n \n ALWAYS ADMIRE ME!!!!!] -------------------------\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n pre.konssept!*n\n meeTz ver!f1kat!*n.\n \n \n \n -\n \n Netochka Nezvanova - eksplod!ng galax!ez + !nflaz!onar! un!versez\n \u0010f\u0010\u0010\u00103.MASCHIN3NKUNST\n @www.eusocial.org\n 17.hzV.tRL.478\n e\n |\n | +----------\n | | <\n \\\\----------------+ | n2t^P\n | \n e\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"date": "Thu, 16 Aug 2001 10:11:25 +0200 (CEST)",
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"content": "\n\n\n\n\nAndreas Broeckmann <abroeck@transmediale.de>\n\n\n>>folks,\n\nbleahhhhh\n\n\n>>>Just a short note: if this is the syndicate without NN,\n>>>please bring her/him/them/it back.\n>>\n>>i agree with diana. this is unbearable. \n\ncest ta faute.\n\n\n>>there seems to be a clear desire to\n>>bring nn back to this list.\n\n\ncest ta faute.\n\n\n\n\n\\\\ i learned something about you as well. your brain needs more sex. \n\n\n\n\n\n>some people who have been on this list for 5 1/2 years have started\n>uns*bscribing, so you should not be too sure any more who is actually on\n>this list from now on.\n\n\nalbanian citizenz came `back`. \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n>regards,\n>-a\n\n\nwait. wait. wait. dont go away just yet. \n\nbefore you amuse your self with geert\n\nsign the dotted line. [dont worry - Anna Balint would never do what you did]\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n- 242.rambouillet.accord. \n\n\nEveryone shall feel much more relaxed once Anna Balint administers Syndicate \nwith equal rights and equal power to the M E N of course.\n\n\n\nM A N ........... Andreas Broeckmann: - signe.la date: - date hier\n\n\n\n-\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nnow we go to macedonia.\n\n\n\n\\\\ nn zm!lz + openz her parachute.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-\n\nNetochka Nezvanova - r!ch.bored.edukated. all dolled up 4|4|4 autumn\n\u0010f\u0010\u0010\u00103.MASCHIN3NKUNST\n@www.eusocial.com\n17.hzV.tRL.478\n e\n |\n | +----------\n | | < \n \\\\----------------+ | n2t\u0010 \n | >\n e\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "integer@www.god-emil.dk",
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"message-id": "<200108160843.f7G8hHX81784@www.god-emil.dk>",
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"author_name": "integer",
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"subject": "Syndicate: signe.la",
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"date": "Thu, 16 Aug 2001 10:43:17 +0200 (CEST)",
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"content": "<html><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC \"-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN\">\n<HTML><HEAD>\n<META http-equiv=Content-Type content=\"text/html; charset=iso-8859-1\">\n<META content=\"MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800\" name=GENERATOR>\n<STYLE></STYLE>\n</HEAD>\n<BODY bgColor=#ffffff>\n<DIV>Dear Syndicate/s</DIV>\n<DIV>The fact that some people in the list find meaningful and \nworth supporting NN it is difficult to believe.</DIV>\n<DIV>The most obvious analisys of its acting shows clearly the nature of \nits presence.</DIV>\n<DIV>And its presence means= trendy/smart/chic/teen/consumist tactic to design \n(certainly not \"sculpt\") its own \"commercial visibility\".</DIV>\n<DIV>The NN controversy shows, i believe, two things: </DIV>\n<DIV>1- It shows that its tactic is succesfully turning a netlist into \na TV TALK SHOW.</DIV>\n<DIV>2- It shows that its unbelievable \"credibility\" comes from a culture that \nis still lingering to the early Net Game: misterious identities, \ngender switching, plagiarism etc...</DIV>\n<DIV>We have seen many (so many!!) of those Net anarchists turn in very \nshort time in very succesful businessmen.</DIV>\n<DIV>NN belongs to this harmful quality of persons.</DIV>\n<DIV>Greetings</DIV>\n<DIV>Lorenzo Taiuti </DIV>\n<DIV> </DIV>\n<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT size=3></FONT><FONT \nsize=3></FONT><BR> </DIV></FONT></BODY></HTML>\n\n</html>\n",
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"author_name": "Lorenzo Taiuti",
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"subject": "Syndicate: NN, Syndicate & TV TALK SHOWS",
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"date": "Thu, 16 Aug 2001 10:47:08 +0200",
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"content": "> Subject: Majordomo results\n> --\n> >>>> s*bscribe syndicate integer@www.god-emil.dk\n> Succeeded.\n\n:)\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "Andrej Tisma <aart@eunet.yu>",
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"author_name": "Andrej Tisma",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: NN future",
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"content": "At 10:47 AM 16/08/01 +0200, lorenzo wrote:\n>\n>Dear Syndicate/s\nThe fact that some people in the list find meaningful and worth supporting\nNN it is difficult to believe.\nThe most obvious analisys of its acting shows clearly the nature of its\npresence.\nAnd its presence means= trendy/smart/chic/teen/consumist tactic to design\n>(certainly not \"sculpt\") its own \"commercial visibility\".\n>\n\ni completely disagree here, lorenzo. i think u are unsuccessfully trying 2\ncategorize integer/NN in terms of labels that r non-applicable [2\nunderstate it] & r n.deed highly n.appropriate [& nauseatingly\npredictable]. NN's methods r not trendy, if they were ppl would be adopting\nthem rather than trying to censor them.\n\n\n>The NN controversy shows, i believe, two things: \n1- It shows that its tactic is succesfully turning a netlist into a TV TALK\nSHOW.\n2- It shows that its unbelievable \"credibility\" comes from a culture that\nis still lingering to the early Net Game: misterious identities, gender\n>switching, plagiarism etc...\n>\n\nyr points, i believe, show 2 things:\n1- that yr understanding of the dynamics & operating theories regarding\nnetworked culture & synergy is misguided & steeped in the regurgitation of\nhighly n.appropriate traditional me][a][taphors N mediums.\n2- yr inability 2 analyse the phenomenon of integer/NN beyond typifiers\nsuch as \"misterious identities, gender switching, plagiarism\" shows a\nprofound lack of understanding &/or insight.\n \n\n>We have seen many (so many!!) of those Net anarchists turn in very short\ntime >in very succesful businessmen.\n\nplease, name 3.\n\n>NN belongs to this harmful quality of persons.\n\ni disagree, again, and cannot believe i have let myself be drawn into such\na pathetic discussion.\n\npath][ological][et][h][ic,\nmez\n\n\n\n\n \n. . .... .....\n \tnet.wurker][M.ollient][\n pro.ject.ile x.blooms.x .go.here. \n\t xXXx \n ./. \n www.hotkey.net.au/~netwurker\n.... . .??? .......\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "\"][mez][\" <netwurker@hotkey.net.au>",
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"author_name": "][mez][",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: NN, Syndicate & TV TALK SHOWS",
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"date": "Thu, 16 Aug 2001 19:33:00 +1000",
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"content": "At 09:22 +0200 16-08-2001, Andreas Broeckmann wrote:\n>folks,\n\n>\n>for those of you who are not happy about this: there is an initiative for a\n>new, redefined list that will be established hopefully within the next few\n>days.\n\nhopefully, because I would really like to get rid of this ascii crap - a\nstructure with a syndicate_raw and a filtered one sounds like a great idea,\nand I would be happy to be part of the filtered one...\n\nMaybe it is an idea to inform those 5 1/2 year subscribers personally about\nthe new list once it is there - would be a shame to loose some really\nimportant contacts over this autistic nonsense. My guess will be that\nsomething similar will happen to the syndicate_raw version as to\nnettime_bold - nettime filtered having over 1500 subscribers, nettime_bold\nhaving 7 - yes 7 it is that rtidiculous. This is what we are really talking\nabout seven people who block the rest of a list for over half a year - that\nis how long it took on nettime to give these stray sould there own little\nplayground.\n\nBut if that is what it takes - fine with me!\n\ngreetings,\neric\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"author_name": "Eric Kluitenberg",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: future",
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"date": "Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:31:28 +0200",
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"content": "\n\n\nFrom: \"Lorenzo Taiuti\" <md3169@mclink.it>\n\n>Messaggio in formato MIME composto da piy parti.\n>\n>------=_NextPart_000_00BE_01C12640.CC41A0A0\n>Content-Type: text/plain;\n> charset=\"iso-8859-1\"\n>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable\n>\n>Dear Syndicate/s\n>The fact that some people in the list find meaningful and worth =\n>supporting NN it is difficult to believe.\n>The most obvious analisys of its acting shows clearly the nature of its =\n>presence.\n>And its presence means=3D trendy/smart/chic/teen/consumist tactic to =\n>design (certainly not \"sculpt\") its own \"commercial visibility\".\n>The NN controversy shows, i believe, two things:=20\n>1- It shows that its tactic is succesfully turning a netlist into a TV =\n>TALK SHOW.\n>2- It shows that its unbelievable \"credibility\" comes from a culture =\n>that is still lingering to the early Net Game: misterious identities, =\n>gender switching, plagiarism etc...\n>We have seen many (so many!!) of those Net anarchists turn in very short =\n>time in very succesful businessmen.\n>NN belongs to this harmful quality of persons.\n>Greetings\n>Lorenzo Taiuti=20\n> =20\n\n\n\nlorenzo - since no one is privileged to be you you must expect no one other\n understands TV TALK SHOWs as well as you.\n \n\n\nshould you wish to - please - do tell others more about \"TV TALK SHOW\"\n\nnn will listen. and more than likely bury you in your pelvic floor.\n\n\n\nmais - listen. although i never lose when playing with xyz it is fun watching \n since i do not own a television.\n\n\n[if you were raised in ost.europa you would understand why i do not own a television.\n childhood means soooooo much. + my childhood has been extended. because i am no ordinary person]\n\n\n\n\n\n>>We have seen many (so many!!) of those Net anarchists turn in very short =\n>>time in very successful businessmen.\n\n\n2x adores money + success. it buys 01 amalgam of xyz. fun fun.\n\nmodesty = 01 organized religious activity. it makes me very very uncomfortable + unsanitary feeling.\nyukkk.\n\n\nnn.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-\n\nsome of your microsoft korporat garbage fell out in the international corridors.\ni was uncertain what to do with it so hier - throw it out before it starts to smell like you.\n\n\n\n\n------=_NextPart_000_00BE_01C12640.CC41A0A0\nContent-Type: text/html;\n charset=\"iso-8859-1\"\nContent-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable\n\n<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC \"-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN\">\n<HTML><HEAD>\n<META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D\"text/html; =\ncharset=3Diso-8859-1\">\n<META content=3D\"MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800\" name=3DGENERATOR>\n<STYLE></STYLE>\n</HEAD>\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "integer@www.god-emil.dk",
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"message-id": "<200108160948.f7G9mPh81888@www.god-emil.dk>",
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"author_name": "integer",
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"date": "Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:48:25 +0200 (CEST)",
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"content": "\n\n\n>From: \"Lorenzo Taiuti\" <md3169@mclink.it>\n>\n>>Messaggio in formato MIME composto da piy parti.\n>>\n>>------=_NextPart_000_00BE_01C12640.CC41A0A0\n>>Content-Type: text/plain;\n>> charset=\"iso-8859-1\"\n>>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable\n>>\n>>Dear Syndicate/s\n>>The fact that some people in the list find meaningful and worth =\n>>supporting NN it is difficult to believe.\n>>The most obvious analisys of its acting shows clearly the nature of its =\n>>presence.\n>>And its presence means=3D trendy/smart/chic/teen/consumist tactic to =\n>>design (certainly not \"sculpt\") its own \"commercial visibility\".\n>>The NN controversy shows, i believe, two things:=20\n>>1- It shows that its tactic is succesfully turning a netlist into a TV =\n>>TALK SHOW.\n>>2- It shows that its unbelievable \"credibility\" comes from a culture =\n>>that is still lingering to the early Net Game: misterious identities, =\n>>gender switching, plagiarism etc...\n>>We have seen many (so many!!) of those Net anarchists turn in very short =\n>>time in very succesful businessmen.\n>>NN belongs to this harmful quality of persons.\n>>Greetings\n>>Lorenzo Taiuti=20\n>> =20\n\n\n\none more thing. please - do discuss your selve[s]\n\nsing your praises. i wish to listen.\n\nnn has made it clear she is simply.SUPERIOR\n\n\n\nso tell me about you. because i do not own a tele vision.\n\n\nnn - infancy + childhood - I UANT \n\n\n\n\n [! told u\n ! k!sz u\n alorz\n alorz quo! +?\n alorz. ever! 1 = trvld 4uard\n + ue trvld bak +?\n ou!. uhat do u z +?\n 01 baz!n ov atrakz!on\n dze lemn!zkal !nput.\n u r ter!bl\n\n\n\n dentritic arbors = simply.DELIZ!OUZ \n\n + v.konduziv 2 kortikal intimacy ____..\n\n \n u r > dzn ter!bl. u r \n ! m ur tranzlatr + komentator\n 01 pr!vat vokabular! ....\n 4 dze mozt del!z!ouz ov all l!fe 4rmz +?\n u +?\n + she\n and he +?\n \n \n \n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "integer@www.god-emil.dk",
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"message-id": "<200108161005.f7GA5ZJ81922@www.god-emil.dk>",
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"date": "Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:05:35 +0200 (CEST)",
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"content": "i'd like to point to an interesting question here\nwhich was probably obvious to others as well,\nbut missed to be mentioned. i'll try to explain.\n\nbesides too a serious consideration about the shape\nof container that is called syndicate and vanity\nfloods of some of its members i do not see much \nhapening. also there is an overall mental division between\n'corporate' and 'non-corporate' hanging in the air. \ni do not get it because pritty everything seems \ncorporate to me in this world and even n. chomsky \nduring his times on the adge was reaching for \ncorporate sources of clerical structures or charity \norganisations.\nwe ourself, when discussing the do's and do not's of\nsyndicate are trying to shape up a corporate type of\nmorals, don't we. because of that i find that perceiving\nthe things going on here through the prism of this two\npolarities leads nowhere.\n\ni do not want to state that there is no 'other' but \ncorporate, because i strongly beleive there is. but \nmy opinion is that the 'other' comes from within.\nand it broadcasts from within utill the critical mass\nis achieved and our patterns and the ways of perceiving\nare once more changed for good.\n\nso is with creation called nn, lonely rebellious beauty\nexisting in cyber only. we learned she is a programe.\na programe that makes your machine speak and not\nonly that but never shouts the mouth as well.\nbut that's the hook. do not get angry about noise,\nbecause that's quite unimportant. important may be \nto ask yourself the following: \nnow i can talk to machine, what am i going to say?\nwhat do i have to say without defending my ways\nand habits at the first place?\n\n\nin that sense everything outspoken untill now was\nnot very relevant. the first thing you need to speek \nout clearly is who you are. no more hiding behind the \nnetwork. because she is network herself. just you (and nn).\n\nin some way she helps us. i think we should\nlearn to appriciate that, talking about the\ntime lost to trash her mail is very 'corporate'\nand 'executive' in itself. isn't it.\n\ngreetings\nademir arapovic\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "bljndm@xs4all.nl",
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"message-id": "<26350.130.37.210.210.997958498.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>",
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"author_name": "bljndm",
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"subject": "Syndicate: a small syndicalist",
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"date": "Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:41:38 +0200 (CEST)",
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"content": "dear all,\n\nShort vacation kept me out of the list for a week; so I miss the opportunity\nto timely contribute to the discussion(s). On the other hand, there was a\nvery few arguments in discussion, after all.\nHowever, I think that uns+bscribing nn was wrong. Frankly, I do not see why\nnn is such a problem *for the list*. S/he does not send enormously large\npostings, does not terrorise list with binary attachments, so let it be,\nfilter it, delete it, or read it. Sure, from time to time s/he is more\nannoying then average tolerance should bear. And, from time to time the\nwhole thing starts to take shape of a pure ideology, nnism. Alas,\nsyndicalism, exposed in many of the last week or so postings is not the\nsolution - I will repeat ones more: one cannot successfully fight the\nideology with the use of ideology. I may just imagine that nn is the huge\nproblem *for some of the syndicalists*, due to personal relationships,\nprevious flaming, some other historical reasons or something else (just\nguessing, don't care and don't want to know).\nAt the end nn was res+bscribed, and, excuse possible ignorance, the list\ncommunity lost the opportunity to, on a particular, heart-rending case,\ndiscuss the problem of freedom of the speech, censorship and some rules of\nbehaviour on the list in general. Saying 'there are some basic rules for\ngames and mailing lists.' without any clue what 'some' rules might be, is\nnot only mystification, but also a very dangerous standpoint, possible road\nto oligarchy. Intentionally or not, doesn't matter.\nThere is another temporary lost opportunity. If I'm not completely wrong,\none of the issues raised as a side effect (though it might be a central\nissue), was The Money. Not a single rational piece on the topic, just\npersonal antagonisms. Sure, through syndicate activities, through nettime\nactivities, through other forums, meetings, actions etc, some people\ncapitalise their own private capital, but what's so wrong with that. That's\nsad, cause the money is one of the interesting topics. It was even five\nyears ago. In the meantime flow of international donors capital change the\ndirection a bit; museums, galleries, ministries. at least in some post-easts\ncountries start to act differently toward the 'new art/media/practices',\nsccas have a significantly different role and budget. and, I'm sorry Mark,\nbut I do not see how discussion on the topic like that, 'real creative\nintention', to borrow your term, can be 'blocked' by nn, or anyone else. And\nas a 'not-so-creative' starting point, I would like to ask Inke to post (if\nshe still have them) her introductory notes from the beauty and the east\nsession on the topic, since unfortunately, I've lost them. Or anyone else\nwho is in possession.\nThe most interesting contribution, (in my opinion) was Eric's comment on the\nidentity of the syndicate. And, significantly, there were no reactions.\nBeyond the fact that I'm glad he is alive and well, I'd like to comment\nbriefly one of his points.\n>how to formulate an alternative discourse to the traditional capitalist /\nanti-capitalist narratives\nOr, in a broader sense, how to create a new 'left'/'right' discourse. Or, is\nit possible at all to avoid reduction of politics (primary cultural) on\neconomics. Contrary to the popular opinion, and some cultural\nanthropologists I believe that the liminality, or in-between status, is not\nsuch an unstable or dangerous condition as it was proclaimed, and that\ndichotomies such as east/west, centre/margin, global/local, even\npopular/elite can be 'solved' or at least 'observed' as extremes from the\npast, with a very few concrete influence to the state of the facts. The new\nliminal condition is not created through the performance of a ritual,\nrequiring the presence of special kind of 'masters of ceremonies'; rather\nit's a 'distributive network' of different, but equal elements ranging from\npassive to hyperactive units, from direct action to backstage mumbling, from\nmicro media to hacking, academic texts to zines. using the diverse, in lot\nof cases previously incongruous concepts, theories and techniques;\nadjusting, rephrasing, weaving, with perhaps the only thing in common - the\nstrong emphasis against any kind of inviolability.\nAnd somehow, I think that syndicate was/is such a place, with or without nn.\n\nciao\nigor\n\nReality is that which, when you stop believing in it, does not go away.\n-- Philip K. Dick\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "\"Igor\" <igor@mi2.hr>",
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"author_name": "Igor",
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"subject": "Syndicate: What happend, after all?",
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"date": "Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:36:41 +0200",
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"content": "\nDear Syndicalists,\n\nAt 09:22 16.08.01 +0200, Andreas Broeckmann wrote:\n>some people who have been on this list for 5 1/2 years have started\n>uns*bscribing, so you should not be too sure any more who is actually on\n>this list from now on.\n\nI'm off after this mail. I wish you success for the future of the Syndicate\nlist. It's been a very productive time, sometimes, and it has been quite an\nexperience. Now it's time for me to move on.\n\nGreetings, Inke\n\n\n\n\n\n- http://www.v2.nl/~arns/\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "Inke Arns <inke@snafu.de>",
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"message-id": "<3.0.3.32.20010816124906.0095b490@pop.snafu.de>",
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"author_name": "Inke Arns",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: NN future",
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"date": "Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:49:06 +0200",
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"content": "\n\n\n>From: Eric Kluitenberg <epk@xs4all.nl>\n>Subject: Re: Syndicate: future\n>Sender: syndicate-owner@eg-r.isp-eg.de\n>Precedence: bulk\n>\n>At 09:22 +0200 16-08-2001, Andreas Broeckmann wrote:\n>>folks,\n>\n>>\n>>for those of you who are not happy about this: there is an initiative for a\n>>new, redefined list that will be established hopefully within the next few\n>>days.\n\n\nsounds lovely.\n\n\n>hopefully, because I would really like to get rid of this ascii crap - a\n>structure with a syndicate_raw and a filtered one sounds like a great idea,\n>and I would be happy to be part of the filtered one...\n\n\nsounds lovely.\n\n\n>Maybe it is an idea to inform those 5 1/2 year subscribers personally about\n>the new list once it is there - would be a shame to loose some really\n>important contacts \n\neric you havent contributed anything in 6 months.\n\n\n\n\n>over this autistic nonsense. \n\nIf it nonsense to you how can it be autistic +?\n\nOr are you just being nonsensical +?\n\n\n\n\n>My guess will be that\n>something similar will happen to the syndicate_raw version as to\n>nettime_bold - nettime filtered having over 1500 subscribers, \n\n\n\neric know this.\nI personally have a mailing list larger than SYNDICATED\nand I have access to the entire NETTIMED list.\n\nAnd I know your figures aren't accurate.\n\nSo my question is - why are yo lying +?\n\n\n\n>nettime_bold\n>having 7 - yes 7 it is that rtidiculous. \n\n\nie. - you are one of the privileged mass and\nknow that NETTIMED and SYNDICATED are administered by criminals +?\n\nand you havent contributed anything in 6 months.\n\n\nNonetheless, you shouldn't lie about figures.\nWhy are you +?\n\n\n\n>This is what we are really talking\n>about seven people who block the rest of a list for over half a year \n\n\neric do you think +?\n\nI mean, NETTIMED and SYNDICATED are blocked by less than 7 criminals.\n\nIt is good to think.\n\nOn the other hand committing crimes with public money is not good.\n\nWhat do you think +?\n\n\n\n- that\n>is how long it took on nettime to give these stray sould \n\nstray sould =_?\n\nThe syntactical equivalent to lying about figures or +?\n\n\nNN\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"to": "epk@xs4all.nl, syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de",
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"from": "integer@www.god-emil.dk",
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"message-id": "<200108161055.f7GAtCB82001@www.god-emil.dk>",
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"author_name": "integer",
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"date": "Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:55:12 +0200 (CEST)",
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"content": "\nhey,\n\ni just unsubscribed from the Syndicate list. I feel relieved and am eager\nto start a new list. looking forward to a time when positive feedback it\noverweighing negative feedback once again, like in the first years of the\nSyndicate.\n\nAt 12:33 16.08.01 +0200, Andreas Broeckmann wrote:\n>like yourself, i am not in favour of a filtered list; i think we should\n>again attempt to create a list that can remain open and that has a shared\n>understanding about dos and don'ts among the subscribers, like this list\n\nabsolutely. start small, don't grow fast, remain personal (in a way)\n\n>had for a long time. the fact that this shared understanding has\n>disappeared here is a pity, but as i seem to be in the repressive minority,\n>i admit defeat. let's be more careful next time. i am very disappointed\n\noh, I have been disappointed about how things were going on this list for\nquite some time now. perhaps we should think about the possibility of\n\"filtering\" requests for subscription. I.e. only allow people on the list\nwho are interested in what's going on. and we should act more quickly if\nthings are going in the wrong direction.\n\n>about how this thing went, but it is a miracle that the whole thing lasted\n\nyes, definitely. but now it's time to move on. and it feels good! it's time\nfor a redefinition, definitely!\n\ngreetings, inke\n\n\n- http://www.v2.nl/~arns/\n\n",
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"to": "Andreas Broeckmann <abroeck@transmediale.de>, epk@xs4all.nl,\n geert@xs4all.nl",
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"from": "Inke Arns <inke@snafu.de>",
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"author_name": "Inke Arns",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: future",
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"date": "Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:18:26 +0200",
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"content": "\n\n\nAndreas Broeckmann. Geert Lovink + etc admins\nclandestinely mismanaging public funds\n\ndo you accept this accord or not +?\n\nPlease respond on this forum. \n\n\n\n\n\n\n- 242.rambouillet.accord. \n\n\nEveryone shall feel much more relaxed once Anna Balint administers Syndicate \nwith equal rights and equal power to the M E N of course.\n\n\n\nM A N ........... Andreas Broeckmann: - signe.la date: - date hier\n\n\n\n-\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"message-id": "<200108161118.f7GBIak82045@www.god-emil.dk>",
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"author_name": "integer",
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"subject": "Syndicate: akkord",
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"date": "Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:18:36 +0200 (CEST)",
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"content": "Syndicate admin <syndicate@v2.nl> wrote:\n>\n>[<jaka@jaka.org> *ns*bscribed from Syndicate on 15 Aug 2001 before posting\n>to the Syndicate list - that's why his message bounced and not because of \n>censorship]\n\ni appologise, specialy to Inke/ administrator. the server i use for e-mail have serious problems so i had to s*bscribe as shareartware@netscape.net\n\nactualy first i sended e-mail to syndicate and then *ns*bscribed, but server did it it's way...\n\n\n\n>Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 02:10:35 +0200\n>From: Jaka Zeleznikar <jaka@jaka.org>\n>Organization: http://www.jaka.org\n>To: syndicate <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\n>Subject: _censorship, syndicate & nn\n\n\n\n__________________________________________________________________\nYour favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/\n\nGet your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"subject": "RE: Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _censorship, syndicate & nn",
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"date": "Thu, 16 Aug 2001 07:23:18 -0400",
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"content": "dear syndicalists,\n\nIt has been a great time on this list untill the ascii crap started - since\nthen I do not feel at home anymore on this list, it has completely lost its\noriginal identity - a real pitty. This does account very much for the fact\nthat I have not felt the urge to post anything substantial here, and why I\nhave focused on other fora instead\n- obviously... why bother??\n\nI hope those responsible will be very proud of themselves that they have\nkilled off the most productive and interesting forum for media art and\nmedia culture in central and eastern europe. The people who still have a\nreal interest in those issues will now simply start a new initiative - it\nis high time for that.\n\nGood luck with syndicate, I will leave it to you, and *nsubscribe now.\n\nWhat a waste!\n\nAt 13:18 +0200 16-08-2001, integer@www.god-emil.dk wrote:\n>Andreas Broeckmann. Geert Lovink + etc admins\n>clandestinely mismanaging public funds\n\nFYI - there never were, nor never will be, any funds (public or private)\nfor syndicate, nettime., xchange or any of the other valuable on-line fora.\nThe people running these lists simply put in free time and their own\nresources - one more such totally disrespectful outcry - I really recommend\nto re-examine your own prejudices.\n\nHave a good life!\n\neric\n\n\n\n",
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"id": "-1",
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"from": "Eric Kluitenberg <epk@xs4all.nl>",
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"message-id": "<v03007817b7a15e9ffc17@[194.109.163.11]>",
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"author_name": "Eric Kluitenberg",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: signing off",
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"date": "Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:20:29 +0200",
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"content": "Folks!\nI see forward to sunbcribe to the new filtered version of\nthe syndicate list.\n\nnils claesson\n\n\n\n",
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"to": "abroeck@transmediale.de, inke@snafu.de",
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"from": "Nils Claesson <nils@x-i.net> (by way of Eric Kluitenberg)",
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"message-id": "<v0300781eb7a18766092e@[194.109.163.11]>",
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"author_name": "Nils Claesson",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: future",
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"date": "Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:21:39 +0200",
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"content": "Zitiere shareartware@netscape.net:\n\n> i appologise, specialy to Inke/ administrator. the server i use for\n> e-mail have serious problems so i had to s*bscribe as\n> shareartware@netscape.net\n\ndon't apologize, and redirect any administration requests to Anna Balint \n<integer@freemail.hu> or directly to <integer@www.god-emil.dk>.\n\nHave fun. Sincerely.\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "Syndicate admin <syndicate@v2.nl>",
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"message-id": "<997969628.3b7bcedc2adf5@www.v2.nl>",
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"author_name": "Syndicate admin",
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"subject": "RE: Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _censorship, syndicate & nn",
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"date": "Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:47:08 +0200 (CEST)",
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"content": "Dear Inke Arns, Andreas Broeckmann and Chris Byrne,\nit is a pity if you leave down the list in a crisis situation, and you don't\nwant to manage it anymore. I'm sorry to see this happening, please feel free\nto come back any time.\nSince the list was abandoned in a panic, the decision was taken behind the\ncurtains, and as far as I understand from the undirect notification below\nthat I was requested to take over administration of the list, first I would\nlike to ask everybody how to access the administration mail.\nMy email address is epistolaris@freemail.hu, i would have adopted the\ninteger identity only\nin the case integer would have remained banned from the list. In hope to\nestablish a network of trust, i introduce myself, and I ask integer as well,\nto do so, unmask as far as possible, and declare wheter s/he would like to\ntake part in the syndicate administration. Is there anybody else who would\nlike to share this task?\nI am a medievalist, i write my PhD about fantastic travels in the Middle\nAges.\nMeanwhile, I am very interested in contemporary art and media culture, I am\ncurrently busy with setting up an audio-visual communication academy in\nCluj-Kolozsvar, Romania. I was curating for some years the Artpool\nArchives - one of the biggest mail art, fluxus, SI, performance, and media\nart archives in the world.\nI was a co-organizer of the Metaforum conference series about media culture\nin Budapest, 1994-1996.\nI currently work with Istvan Kantor, founder of neoism movement, performance\nand media artist based in Canada. We try to set up the Machine Age\nFoundation in Budapest.\nI subscribed to Syndicate since early times, for that Artpool was there at\nthe founding meeting of the Syndicate mailing list. I have attended the\nKassel Hybrid Workspace and the Budapest Syndicate meetings, i know some of\nyou personally.\nI am deeply upset that no discussions were going on the list, not much\ncommon topics,\nmeanwhile the one trying to bring up questions in his or her own way\nsuffered of restrictions.\nI would like to ask Amy Alexander whether he could write filtering software\non request to provide people with an efficient tool to validate their\npreference.\nThe others please feel free to post announcements, commentaries, questions,\nidea on the list.\ngreetings,\nAnna Balint\n\n\n\nZitiere shareartware@netscape.net:\n\n> i appologise, specialy to Inke/ administrator. the server i use for\n> e-mail have serious problems so i had to s*bscribe as\n> shareartware@netscape.net\n\ndon't apologize, and redirect any administration requests to Anna Balint\n<integer@freemail.hu> or directly to <integer@www.god-emil.dk>.\n\nHave fun. Sincerely.\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"to": "\"Syndicate admin\" <syndicate@v2.nl>, <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>",
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"id": "-1",
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"from": "\"anna balint\" <epistolaris@freemail.hu>",
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"message-id": "<MABBIKGKLODEKGPMBDPEOEONCCAA.epistolaris@freemail.hu>",
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"author_name": "anna balint",
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"subject": "RE: administration Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _censorship, syndicate & nn",
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"date": "Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:13:31 +0200",
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"content": "i cannot claim to have been on this list for 5 1/2 years, but i've enjoyed\nand apporeciated many of the posts dealing with net art and other projects\nand ideas from various places (mostly outside the US), and have learned\nfrom political controversies dealing with armed conflict and other\npolitical confrontations... but the following message (reproduced below) is\nnow representative of the way things are going here, it seems, and i am\nunsubscribing.\nThe purpose of my wanting to announce this on the list is to observe that I\nhave subscribed to many political and professional lists, moderated and\nunmoderated, and the unmoderated ones so far have always gone down to the\nflame wars provoked my someone acting much like nn.\nSo you destroy your own playground by bullying and disrupting civil\ndiscourse and provoking fuming hostility from some, pontificating\npseudo-philosophy on freedom from others (Something like my post\nnow..though I think the others were worse!).\nModeration is the key. The lists that have lasted have used it, and OF\nCOURSE the moderator can be accused of censorship, but the rules of posting\nare always spelled out, and insult and unrelenting provocation are always\nunacceptable,on a list as in person.\nAnd unfortunately, my filter isn't working...\n\nNN, why don't YOU (if there is a \"you\") start your own list? (But you are\nalways reactive and need others to attack, it seems.)\n\nmartha rosler\nbrooklyn, ny\n\n\n\n>furtherfilth (info@furtherfield.org) stop your filthy personal agenda now\nworm.\n>\n>NEWS: you have just hurt someone who has done absolutely nothing to you.\n>\n>\n>Monster!!!\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>Andreas Broeckmann. Inke Arns. Geert Lovink.\n>\n>Think about what you are doing NOW!!!!!\n>\n>\n>You can butcher me. If you continue hurting others\n>\n>there shall be a terrifying sound: THE SOUND OF PROTRACTED\nPAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!n\n>\n>\n>\n>Monsters!!!\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n\n. . .... .....\n \tnet.wurker][M.ollient][\n pro.ject.ile x.blooms.x .go.here.\n\t xXXx\n ./.\n www.hotkey.net.au/~netwurker\n.... . .??? .......\n\n\n>folks,\n>\n>>Just a short note: if this is the syndicate without NN,\n>>please bring her/him/them/it back.\n>\n>i agree with diana. this is unbearable. there seems to be a clear desire to\n>bring nn back to this list.\n>\n>Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:03:55 +0200\n>To: abroeck@transmediale.de\n>From: majordom@eg-r.isp-eg.de\n>Subject: Majordomo results\n>--\n>>>>> s*bscribe syndicate integer@www.god-emil.dk\n>Succeeded.\n>>>>>\n>\n>\n>for those of you who are not happy about this: there is an initiative for a\n>new, redefined list that will be established hopefully within the next few\n>days.\n>\n>some people who have been on this list for 5 1/2 years have started\n>uns*bscribing, so you should not be too sure any more who is actually on\n>this list from now on.\n>\n>regards,\n>-a\n>\n>\n>-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\n>Syndicate network for media culture and media art\n>information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\n>to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\n>to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\n>the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n\n\n\n",
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"from": "martha rosler <navva@earthlink.net>",
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"author_name": "martha rosler",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: NN future",
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"date": "Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:52:46 -0400",
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"content": "dear all,\n\nWill someone be so kind to explain me what the fuck is going on, sit venia\nverbo? All I can understand (as an outsider) is 'NN is The Problem'. With\nall due respect, 'My dog ate my homework' is answer for the Nobel Prize,\ncompare to that shit.\nPerhaps I do not understand the point, perhaps I never was, and perhaps I\nnever will, so what? Am I because of that less or more valuable member of\nthe list? No. Under any circumstances, no. Was any of the s*bscribers more\nvaluable member of the list because of five years or days of experience? No.\nUnder any circumstances, no!\nHonestly, on the level of the syndicate I don't care - a bunch of people try\nsomething and it didn't went well. Meme syndicate was not able to adapt to\nthe changed environment or the rise of the new predators. Ok, but on a bit\nwider level I still have a problem. And, yes, personal *is* political, and\nit counts.\nWhat I am mad about, my dear colleagues (hope you don't mind naming you like\nthat) is that you also start to play the same game, with the same 'basic\nrules' - and I'm still confused what are the fucking rules. Maybe 'I'm not\nspeaking to you anymore'? Or, 'if you don't want to play my game I wont play\nwith you'? I learned such a 'rules' from my younger sister, but she was\ntwelve at the time.. or should I be cynical and conclude that axiom saying\nthat the intelligence of the person is proportional to its childish\nbehaviour (naturally, in pejorative meaning of the world) proof correct? I\nbelieve that people on the list deserve the explanation/some background of\nthe immature wunderkinds behaviour. Or, if I'm the only one confused, please\nexcuse my posting.\nAfter all I am ashamed, I'm ashamed because I believe that some of you are\nthe persons knowing more then I do, that you are reasonable and moderate\npersons, that you are willing to share and discuss your knowledge and\nattitudes with others, to oppose traditional more or less oppressive models.\nWas everything just a game? Just 'my supporting group can beat yours\nsupporting group'. And, are you aware that such behaviour (o, you won, I'm\nunsubscribing..) may be looked like acceptance of all, even the most\ndisgusting accusations? Or, maybe, non-civilised (whatever that means to any\nof the readers) remarks are true. That syndicate was just another\nneo-colonial artefact. I do not think so, I do not believe so, and I never\nwill. On the other hand, there is possibility that I'm just another full,\nblinded with the knowledge an activities of yours.\nBut, I do not want to start another stupid adolescent discussion. Instead,\nlets try again. From the beginning, if necessary. Lets try the idea of\nmoderated and raw list. Or you believe that the issues like \"how to\nformulate an alternative discourse to the traditional capitalist /\nanti-capitalist narratives that pervaded social, political and cultural\ndebates about the *east/west* relationship. The next was to get away from\nthe East / West dichotomy altogether and find new connecting threads to talk\nabout art, culture, politics and society in Europe after the revolutionary\nchanges of the late eighties and beginning nineties.\" are not important\nanymore? Nothing to remember happened for a months at the list (I\nre-subscribed myself april this year), so how on earth, nn or anyone else\ncan be 'guilty' for *that*?\nYes, this letter is emotional, and yes it is a provocation, and, yes, it is\na challenge, and, if anyone feel part or all of the mentioned insulting, I\nam sorry, but with all due respect, you deserve it.\n\nciao\nigor\n\nReality is that which, when you stop believing in it, does not go away.\n-- Philip K. Dick\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "\"Igor\" <igor@mi2.hr>",
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"author_name": "Igor",
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"subject": "Syndicate: Open letter to uns*bscribers ",
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"date": "Thu, 16 Aug 2001 19:10:12 +0200",
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"content": "dear anna,\n\n>Since the list was abandoned in a panic, the decision was taken behind the\n>curtains, and as far as I understand from the undirect notification below\n>that I was requested to take over administration of the list, first I would\n>like to ask everybody how to access the administration mail.\n\nthere is no reason for panic. i think that some are very relieved now and\nwant to get moving. the current admins will make sure that the handing over\nof the list and everything is done in a proper and friendly manner, so that\nthe syndicate list can keep running its course.\n\nthe way in which the list has been administered until now is through an\nadmin account on the v2 server; this will be switched off as soon as a new\nlist-owner has been appointed who will receive all admin requests etc. -\nplease, let me know who this should be. it would be useful to have somebody\nwho knows majordomo and who can deal with config files etc. in the current,\nheated situation i would be restrictive with the password but we will\nobviously transmit it to you or whoever wants to take that responsibility.\n\nthe list itself is running on a server of friends of inke and mine here in\nberlin. we did this because it is sometimes important to have easy and fast\naccess to the sysops, so it might be useful to try and find a new home for\nthe list which the people responsible for it have a close and personal\ncontact to. you will find that this makes life easier when something goes\nwrong or does not work, and it may be more difficult to get the attention\nof the berlin sysops if they don't know you.\n\ngreetings,\n-a\n\nps: i'm filtering the list now and may not see everything immediately. so,\nif i don't react immediately, don't panic. i'll be around for a while.\n\n\n\n(nn, how deep is your love?)\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "Andreas Broeckmann <abroeck@transmediale.de>",
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"message-id": "<l03102832b7a1abdfa777@[195.35.27.166]>",
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"author_name": "Andreas Broeckmann",
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"subject": "Syndicate: RE: administration",
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"date": "Thu, 16 Aug 2001 19:13:38 +0200",
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"content": "Hello All,\ni wish i could be eloquent and prompt with my\nwords like Sally or Eric, short of this i would like\nto contribute a few words to the discussion.\n\nAs it has been said before the Syndicate\nrepresents different things for different\npeople, I am writing about my own Syndicate\nexperience.\n\nFor me, ever since that first meeting in\nRotterdam i felt a sense of belonging to a\nnetworked community. Of course i have been\naware that the group consists of many\nwith diverse opinions and this became evident\nlately when regardless of my democratic feelings\nI had difficulties to deal (in a hectic nomadic life)\n with the multitude of postings.\n\nRe the personal value of the Syndicate\nlist: over the years I noted that while\nin the beginning the Newsletters offered\ninfo on events and opportunities mostly\nfor the \"Easterners\" - lately the situation\nchanged and became much more balanced.\nA few days ago the acoustic space workshop\nended with a successful streaming event and\nwhile most of us worked out of Latvia\ni have not noticed any east/west\ndivergence in the group. As a matter of fact\nI was reflecting how Ryszard Kluszczynski's wish\nexpressed a few years ago,( that instead\nof being considered Westerners and\nEasterners the division would melt )\nmight be slowly coming true.\n\nIn addition to be updated on various\nevents I found some of the incoming\ninformation invaluable and will\ndeeply regret if the list changes\ncompletely.\n\nnina\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"id": "-1",
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"from": "Nina Czegledy <czegledy@interlog.com>",
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"message-id": "<l03130309b7a00844138a@[154.20.73.109]>",
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"author_name": "Nina Czegledy",
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"subject": "Syndicate: what happend?",
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"date": "Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:40:21 +0100",
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"content": "\n\n>\n>\"Igor\" <igor@mi2.hr>\n>\n>\n>>With\n>>all due respect, 'My dog ate my homework' is answer for the Nobel Prize,\n>>compare to that shit.\n>\n>\n>schhh. \n>\n>time to watch the rest of this sick film.\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>or we could listen to this magnetic and strange thing. a creative force.\n>the friends who listen to us are the ones we move towards.\n>when we are listened to it creates us. makes us unfold + expand\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>>(nn, how deep is your love?)\n>\n>\n>unsubscribe me. and free the hostage.\n>\n>\n>\n>nn - simply.SUPERIOR\n>\n\n\n\ntake .o2 [yes. that was a scene]\n\n\n1001 zm!lz.\n\n\n\n\nandreas etc - difficult understanding precisely why you would start attacking anna balint.\nyou misunderstand. and you misunderstand something else - people arent fond of your activities.\n[even people that work with you. (not every one you trust likes you)]\n\n\n\nand what is it with this organized model citizenz waking up from their sleep\nand parachuting out whilst reading very badly scripted lines +?\n\n\n\n\n\nnn - totally bemused. you want to leave leave. \n anyone can forward posts from nettime to syndicate very easily.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n>(nn, how deep is your love?)\n\n\na classic.\n\n\n\nandreas - you can be nn anytime. \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n pre.konssept!*n\n meeTz ver!f1kat!*n.\n \n \n \n -\n \n Netochka Nezvanova - eksplod!ng galax!ez + !nflaz!onar! un!versez\n \u0010f\u0010\u0010\u00103.MASCHIN3NKUNST\n @www.eusocial.org\n 17.hzV.tRL.478\n e\n |\n | +----------\n | | <\n \\\\----------------+ | n2t^P\n | \n e\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "integer@www.god-emil.dk",
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"message-id": "<200108161856.f7GIu9U82843@www.god-emil.dk>",
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"author_name": "integer",
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"subject": "Syndicate: take. 02 - m!!!!!!!!!!au",
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"date": "Thu, 16 Aug 2001 20:56:09 +0200 (CEST)",
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"content": "\n\nhallo\n\nthis was veritable\n\n\n`\nyou misunderstand. others have received the same message via one other.\nhopefully it reaches those concerned. \n\n\n\ndon't be paranoid. _no _one wishes to control your forum.\n\n`\n\n\nanna balint speaks for herself.\ni assure you she does not think you are a terrible person\nmuch as she does not think i am a simply.SUPERIOR person.\n\nbut you or others should know this. i know very little.\n\n\nare you under the impression i enjoy posting 10 messages per day on syndicate +?\n\nne.\n\nwhen a problem arises it would be nice to attempt to resolve it.\nreferring to a problem which occurred several months ago which\nprompted the current routine.\n\nanother observation.\n\nselekt persons view a forum as an information hub - they are primarily interested in announcements.\nselekt persons view forums as a discussion and creative hub - they are primarily interested in anything.\n\nif you feel that i betrayed your confidence i can understand.\nwe should have resolved the problem several months ago.\n\noverall this entire episode has been very costly to everyone involved yes +?\nplease relax. no wishes to destroy you.\n\nif you wish to search for a common ground = oke avec moi.\nif you wish to segregate yourself - as you wish.\n\nwe have both have seen what the latter is conducive to.\n\nfriendly. nn\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "Dear Andreas,\ni will try to find a server. But it will take some time i guess.\nCan you hold on for two-three weeks? I am very sorry that you leave.\nI still think we should try to find a solution good for all.\n\nDear Mike,\ngreat! we will have to learn the administration techniques.\nAndreas will have to explain us as to illiterates, but i think\nmajordomo commands are not so difficult, configuration files either.\nI trust that Jaka Zeleznicar will remain as web designer for the archives,\nand we shall restart the newsletters.\nWe met at rootless '97, i was invited there by Roddy Hunter aka ?migr? for\nthe ATLAS conference.\nI keep very good memories of the meeting and of the festival, of the\nhospitality of the city of Hull as well.\nI will be at the Venice Biennale next week, than i go to the Retouche\nfestival in Romania,\nlater i plan to go to the Ars Electronica in Linz.\nWould be nice to meet you and other syndicalists as well somewhere in those\nplaces.\ngreetings,\nAnna\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: syndicate-owner@eg-r.isp-eg.de\n[mailto:syndicate-owner@eg-r.isp-eg.de]On Behalf Of Andreas Broeckmann\nSent: 2001. augusztus 16. 19:14\nTo: syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de\nSubject: Syndicate: RE: administration\n\n\ndear anna,\n\n>Since the list was abandoned in a panic, the decision was taken behind the\n>curtains, and as far as I understand from the undirect notification below\n>that I was requested to take over administration of the list, first I would\n>like to ask everybody how to access the administration mail.\n\nthere is no reason for panic. i think that some are very relieved now and\nwant to get moving. the current admins will make sure that the handing over\nof the list and everything is done in a proper and friendly manner, so that\nthe syndicate list can keep running its course.\n\nthe way in which the list has been administered until now is through an\nadmin account on the v2 server; this will be switched off as soon as a new\nlist-owner has been appointed who will receive all admin requests etc. -\nplease, let me know who this should be. it would be useful to have somebody\nwho knows majordomo and who can deal with config files etc. in the current,\nheated situation i would be restrictive with the password but we will\nobviously transmit it to you or whoever wants to take that responsibility.\n\nthe list itself is running on a server of friends of inke and mine here in\nberlin. we did this because it is sometimes important to have easy and fast\naccess to the sysops, so it might be useful to try and find a new home for\nthe list which the people responsible for it have a close and personal\ncontact to. you will find that this makes life easier when something goes\nwrong or does not work, and it may be more difficult to get the attention\nof the berlin sysops if they don't know you.\n\ngreetings,\n-a\n\nps: i'm filtering the list now and may not see everything immediately. so,\nif i don't react immediately, don't panic. i'll be around for a while.\n\n\n\n(nn, how deep is your love?)\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "\"anna balint\" <epistolaris@freemail.hu>",
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"author_name": "anna balint",
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"subject": "RE: Syndicate: RE: administration",
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"date": "Thu, 16 Aug 2001 20:11:52 +0200",
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"content": "\n\n\nAndreas Broeckmann <abroeck@transmediale.de>\n\n\n>dear anna,\n>\n>>Since the list was abandoned in a panic, the decision was taken behind the\n>>curtains, and as far as I understand from the undirect notification below\n>>that I was requested to take over administration of the list, first I would\n>>like to ask everybody how to access the administration mail.\n>\n>there is no reason for panic. i think that some are very relieved now and\n>want to get moving. the current admins will make sure that the handing over\n>of the list and everything is done in a proper and friendly manner, so that\n>the syndicate list can keep running its course.\n>\n>the way in which the list has been administered until now is through an\n>admin account on the v2 server; this will be switched off as soon as a new\n>list-owner has been appointed who will receive all admin requests etc. -\n>please, let me know who this should be. it would be useful to have somebody\n>who knows majordomo and who can deal with config files etc. in the current,\n>heated situation i would be restrictive with the password but we will\n>obviously transmit it to you or whoever wants to take that responsibility.\n>\n>the list itself is running on a server of friends of inke and mine here in\n>berlin. we did this because it is sometimes important to have easy and fast\n>access to the sysops, so it might be useful to try and find a new home for\n>the list which the people responsible for it have a close and personal\n>contact to. you will find that this makes life easier when something goes\n>wrong or does not work, and it may be more difficult to get the attention\n>of the berlin sysops if they don't know you.\n>\n>greetings,\n>-a\n>\n>ps: i'm filtering the list now and may not see everything immediately. so,\n>if i don't react immediately, don't panic. i'll be around for a while.\n>\n>\n>\n>(nn, how deep is your love?)\n\n\n\n\nyou misunderstand. others have received the same message via one other.\nhopefully it reaches those concerned. \n\n\n\ndon't be paranoid. _no _one wishes to control your forum.\nmay stop posturing.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\"Igor\" <igor@mi2.hr>\n\n\n>With\n>all due respect, 'My dog ate my homework' is answer for the Nobel Prize,\n>compare to that shit.\n\n\nschhh. \n\ntime to watch the rest of this sick film.\n\n\n\n\nor we could listen to this magnetic and strange thing. a creative force.\nthe friends who listen to us are the ones we move towards.\nwhen we are listened to it creates us. makes us unfold + expand\n\n\n\n\n\n>(nn, how deep is your love?)\n\n\nunsubscribe me. and free the hostage.\n\n\n\nnn - simply.SUPERIOR\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n /_/\n /\n \\ \\/ i should like to be a human plant\n \\/ __\n __/\n i will shed leaves in the shade\n \\_\\ because i like stepping on bugs\n\n\n\n*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--\nNetochka Nezvanova nezvanova@eusocial.com\n http://www.eusocial.com\n http://www.biohakc.com\n http://www.ggttctttat.com/!\n n r . 5 !!! http://steim.nl/leaves/petalz\n*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- --*--*--*--*--*--*--\n \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"subject": "Syndicate: musical skills",
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"date": "Thu, 16 Aug 2001 20:34:49 +0200 (CEST)",
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"content": "Dear list subscribers,\n\nFollowing the departure of Andreas and Inke from the Syndicate list, the\npresent admin team will be understrength, so we may not have time to\nforward posts which are sent to the wrong address.\n\nThe current admin technical infrastructure will need to be changed, and the\nlist moved to a different server. We will be in contact with the two\nprospective admins off-list to discuss the necessary changes in the near\nfuture. In the meantime I ask you to bear with us.\n\nThose subscribers who wish to remove themselves, please send the relevant\ncommand to majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de. If you don't know how to do this, send\na message to syndicate@v2.nl asking to be removed and we will attempt to do\nso as quickly as is feasible.\n\nI would like to thank Andreas and Inke for their hard work helping to\nestablish Syndicate, and keeping it running on behalf of the list community\ndespite a variety of pressures.\n\nRegards\n\n\nChris\n\n--------------------------------------------------------\nChris Byrne chris@mediascot.org\n--------------------------------------------------------\nNew Media Scotland tel: +44 131 477 3774\nP.O. Box 23434, Edinburgh EH7 5SZ fax: +44 131 477 3775\nScotland, UK http://www.mediascot.org\n--------------------------------------------------------\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "Chris Byrne <chris@cryptic.demon.co.uk>",
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"author_name": "Chris Byrne",
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"subject": "Syndicate: interim admin arrangements",
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"date": "Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:01:12 +0100",
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"content": "\nChris Byrne <chris@cryptic.demon.co.uk>\n\n>Dear list subscribers,\n>\n>Following the departure of Andreas and Inke from the Syndicate list, the\n>present admin team will be understrength, so we may not have time to\n>forward posts which are sent to the wrong address.\n>\n>The current admin technical infrastructure will need to be changed, and the\n>list moved to a different server. We will be in contact with the two\n>prospective admins off-list to discuss the necessary changes in the near\n>future. In the meantime I ask you to bear with us.\n>\n>Those subscribers who wish to remove themselves, please send the relevant\n>command to majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de. If you don't know how to do this, send\n>a message to syndicate@v2.nl asking to be removed and we will attempt to do\n>so as quickly as is feasible.\n>\n>I would like to thank Andreas and Inke for their hard work helping to\n>establish Syndicate, and keeping it running on behalf of the list community\n>despite a variety of pressures.\n\n\nExactly. It is an difficult occupation. It isn't very lovely for one's creativity. \n\nthe inward turning of the worker kontrasts with the outward turning of the dancer.\n\nIt is good being a vagabond. [or a subscriber of you like]\n\n\nAnd NN shall be much more gentle now that those who view mailing list fora\nas information processing centers exclusively have gone or shall be as desired.\n\nI suspect that is the principal issue.\n\nThis is a canvas. It is not a PDA. [do you wish 2 sow the seeds or simply navigate \\ web browsers +?\n\n\n\nIf the art of storytelling has become rare, the\ndissemination of information has had a decisive share in this state of\naffairs. Every morning brings us the news of the globe, and yet we are\npoor in noteworthy stories. This is because no event any longer comes\nto us without already being shot through with explanation....it is half\nthe art of storytelling to keep a story free from explanation as one\nreproduces it. The most extraordinary things, marvelous things, are\nrelated with the greatest accuracy, but the psychological connection of\nthe events is not forced on the reader. It is left up to him to\ninterpret things the way he understands them, and thus the narrative\nachieves an amplitude that information lacks.\n\nThis process of assimilation, which takes place in depth,\nrequires a state of relaxation which is becoming rarer and rarer. If\nsleep is the apogee of physical relaxation, boredom is the apogee of\nmental relaxation. Boredom is the dream bird that hatches the egg of\nexperience. A rustling in the leaves drives him away. \n\n....storytelling.....does not aim to convey the pure essence\nof the thing, like information or a report. It sinks the thing into the\nlife of the storyteller, in order to bring it out of him again. Thus\ntraces of the storyteller cling to the story the way the handprints of\nthe potter cling to the clay vessel.\n\nI believe I have told already that reading ....\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n>i think this is better:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"author_name": "integer",
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"subject": "Syndicate: interim admin arrangements",
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"date": "Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:52:31 +0200 (CEST)",
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"content": "> Since the list was abandoned in a panic, the decision was taken behind the\n> curtains, and as far as I understand from the undirect notification below\n\nWelcome Anna, we support you and wish you good work on this list if you\naccept it.\nI think it is more natural that list for mostly eastern Europeans is\nadministrated by Easteuropeans, there will be more understanding.\nBecause we here are not dealing wit art, communication, politics as\nbusiness but we speak and work from heart. We know what real freedom is,\nwe\nknow to evaluate it, not selling it for some profit.\n\n\n\nThanks for introducing yourself. I see we have a plenty of mutual\nfriends. I collaborate with Artpool for decades (you must know that) and\nI visited Galantays with my wife Marta few years ago in Budapest. Also I\nknow Monty Cantsin personally. I spent few days with him in May 1987 in\nNew York. He is a nice guy, he did a performance for us with iron and\nflames and he gave me his songs LP that was printed just in those days.\n \n>In hope to\n> establish a network of trust, i introduce myself,\n\nI think after this hot discussion concerning Integer we got more trust\nin each other and in a way we purified our aims on this list. Obviously\nnot all of us were so happy and satisfied with its conception and\nmoderation in last years. You Anna have the chance to refresh it with\nsome new ideas and contents that will be of common interests. Obviously\nwe are not so much interested in theory but in life, art practice, maybe\nsome concrete collaboration. Festivals are for big shuts, for sponsored\nones, and we should build a network of independent people from west or\neast, doesn't matter. \nThose who are leaving the list, I think their time is going out,\ntogether with globalistic, western hegemonistic, neocolonialist\npolitics. Syndicate was designed to gather Easternerners around some\nideas that would subdue them, not give the freedom. With our fight for\nIntegers integrity and personality we showed what counts in our sphere\nof interests. We are maybe more poetic than Westersners, and that mekes\nthem angry. Not boring but nervous. But they must get familiarized with\nus. I must remind all that all new philosophical, artistic, spiritual\nideas came from the East, and that will stay so in the future. \nWe must look at this Syndicate list as a tool that West is giving to us,\nas an opportunity to teach the West about something that they do not\nhave - heart, emotion, playfulness, spiritual independence,\nnon-materialistic values. We should be treated equally on this list, not\nremoved one by one, with censored period (1999), as it happened before.\nAnna, if you accept the administration of Syndicate I wish you success\nand new ideas\nand collaborators.\nSzia,\nAndrej\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "Andrej Tisma <aart@eunet.yu>",
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"author_name": "Andrej Tisma",
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"subject": "Re: administration Syndicate: Jaka Zeleznikar: _censorship, syndicate & nn",
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"date": "Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:58:31 +0200",
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"content": "At the end of an old period and hopeful start of a new one of this list\nI announce my absence from it during the period August 17-31 because of\nmy vacations travel. So I will be not able to send to or reply to list\nmembers in that period. But I hope I'll find your sendings in my\nmail-box when I return.\nBest :),\nAndrej\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"to": "\"syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de\" <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>",
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"from": "Andrej Tisma <aart@eunet.yu>",
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"author_name": "Andrej Tisma",
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"subject": "Syndicate: absence announcment",
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"date": "Fri, 17 Aug 2001 00:02:49 +0200",
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"content": "At 17:13 +0200 16/8/01, anna balint wrote:\n\n>I was a co-organizer of the Metaforum conference series about media culture\n>in Budapest, 1994-1996. \n\nit? a lie\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"from": "Janos Sugar <sj@c3.hu>",
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"message-id": "<l03130303b7a1f410de8d@[194.38.96.246]>",
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"author_name": "Janos Sugar",
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"subject": "Syndicate: RE: administration Syndicate",
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"date": "Fri, 17 Aug 2001 00:28:41 +0200",
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"content": "\n>Question:\n>\n>Why did you use a male laptop for your siggraph presentation?\n\ntzo du = ma! remembr m! Snails are superior!!!!!!!\n\n\n>Snails were superior.\n>\n>shannon\n\na.nn.on\n\n\n\n\n\ndze treez !n dze gardn = zt!l evn uen treez furdzr aua! = dansz!ng [01 real!t! - not nezezar!l! 01 metafor]\nm! e!ez = moztl! uatch dze dansz. ma!z although dze !nfluensz ov d!esz !magez = branch out !n 2 d!rekz!onz\n!t = !nfluenszd b! dze poz!z!on ov dze author.\n\n \n\n hensz nn da +?\n\n\n\n\n\nnn - dont m!sz out on dzat u!ch makex l!f publ!k\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n pre.konssept!*n\n meeTz ver!f1kat!*n.\n \n \n \n -\n \n Netochka Nezvanova - eksplod!ng galax!ez + !nflaz!onar! un!versez\n \u0010f\u0010\u0010\u00103.MASCHIN3NKUNST\n @www.eusocial.org\n 17.hzV.tRL.478\n e\n |\n | +----------\n | | <\n \\\\----------------+ | n2t^P\n | \n e\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"content": "> i just unsubscribed from the Syndicate list. I feel relieved and am eager\n> to start a new list. looking forward to a time when positive feedback it\n> overweighing negative feedback once again, like in the first years of the\n> Syndicate.\n\nI feel sad too, like all of you. Does someone of you write a last mail to\nthe list? I you can mention my name too of course. I somehow would like to\nmake clear that we all left.\n\n> absolutely. start small, don't grow fast, remain personal (in a way)\n\nSure, that's not all that hard. I like the idea of an open list with people\nwho tell who they are, what they want etc. and not hide behind rethoric or\nsome online identity.\n\n> oh, I have been disappointed about how things were going on this list for\n> quite some time now. perhaps we should think about the possibility of\n> \"filtering\" requests for subscription. I.e. only allow people on the list\n> who are interested in what's going on. and we should act more quickly if\n> things are going in the wrong direction.\n\nYeah.\n\nWould else would be interested to take part in this conversation?\nBest, Geert\n\n",
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"to": "\"Andreas Broeckmann\" <abroeck@transmediale.de>, <epk@xs4all.nl>,\n \"Inke Arns\" <inke@snafu.de>",
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"author_name": "geert lovink",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: future",
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"date": "Fri, 17 Aug 2001 09:42:37 +1000",
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"content": "hi,\n\na bit sleepless tonite\n\ngeert wrote:\n>I feel sad too, like all of you. Does someone of you write a last mail to\n>the list? I you can mention my name too of course. I somehow would like to\n>make clear that we all left.\n\nyes, most of all about the sense that even in a zero budget network and\nintitiative it was impossible to escape the typical kind of power politics\nand envy that characterises main-stream art world politica, as most of the\nrest of society. Syndicate managed to escape it for a long time, but it is\nshocking to see how a few loud mouths can very easily take over a forum,\nand how they actually are supported by people who are simply looking for\nsome kind of *guidance* - I see this as a strong man syndrome - the willing\naccomplices.\n\nStill, I would not like to dwell too long on what went wrong and rather\ndefine a fresh perspective for the times to come. Perhaps it would be good\nto mark this *exodus* clearly and issue some kind of statement about it, so\nas not to go without any form of protest...\nBut the next step should really be to define what the new context will be\nwhich we want to create and enlist the right people in it for a relevant\npost-syndicate initiative. I'll try to organise my thoughts over the\nweekend and post them on this list once I managed...\n\ngreetings,\neric\n\n\n\n\n_____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _\nthe mir list is a temporary list for the syndicate exodus\n",
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"from": "Eric Kluitenberg <epk@xs4all.nl>",
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"author_name": "Eric Kluitenberg",
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"subject": "[mir] Re: (post-)Syndicate: future",
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"content": "From: \"furtherfield\" <info@furtherfield.org>\nTo: \"geert\" <geert@xs4all.nl>\nSent: Friday, August 17, 2001 8:10 AM\nSubject: Re: Syndicate: NN future\n\n\n> It is a sad day - the lunatics have taken over the asylum.\n>\n> I can't be bothered with all this stuff anymore - the list seems to have\n> become a playground for (you know what). I'm still wondering whether to\n> unsubscribe myself presently. But the way things are going now it does not\n> look very healthy...\n>\n> I tried stand up for the list but I got shouted down by the mafia, so I'll\n> get back to what I enjoy creating projects, exhibitions, street art, net\n> art, broadcasting etc...our next broadcast will be coming out live from\n> http://www.consume.net with james stevens.\n>\n> Anyway bye for now, respect from marc garrett\n>\n> http://www.furtherfield.org\n> http://www.dido.uk.net\n\n\n\n_____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _\nthe mir list is a temporary list for the syndicate exodus\n",
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"from": "\"geert lovink\" <geert@xs4all.nl>",
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"author_name": "geert lovink",
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"subject": "[mir] re: Syndicate: NN future",
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"date": "Fri, 17 Aug 2001 14:48:22 +1000",
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"content": "\n\nClaudia Westermann <media@ezaic.de>\n\n>Dear Anna and all, who ever is still on the list,\n\ngoethe juzt zubzkr!bd\nhe sa!z: our l!nkx are komplex + autographd\n\n\n\n>(I just got so much used to listening.. ..too bad...)\n\n\nso you are an astronaut of the mind +?\n\nm.m.bakht!n uantz 2 zkratch ur surface. [u knou l!ke an wound]\n\nbakht!n: 2 plant 1 flower.\n\n\n\n>actually I wanted to suggest, if it is possible, to install the list that \n>way, that some of the boring jobs for the list can be done by more than \n>two.. ...maybe switching weekly. \n\nyes. kontinued ... below\n\n\n>I am definitely not East European and \n>even I think that still I do not have the slightest idea of it really \n>means).\n\nit is good to be a border dissolvant.\n\n\n\n>Well, I still think, that there is a lot to communicate and that it \n>has some value, that there are people with different backgrounds on the list.\n\n\nnobody knows who written for nobody knows who and who found it and where nobody knows.\n\n\n\n\n>Well, why not asking NN to write a small program (maybe to be used with an \n>open source mailer) to filter NN?\n\nlife says: sealing NN is my job!!!!\n\n\n\n>I guess if she does it herself it could become a very amusing, nicely \n>complex not at all linear tool, sometimes even surprisingly working the way \n>it is expected. Maybe we suggest, that the program should work almost like \n>expected.\n\n\nlife says: work is my job. play please. i like to watch you play.\n if only i could be given life \n\n\n\n\n\n\naltzo. as an addition to the smart.moderator etc system described in the prev email.\n\nit could operate as 01 `game`. [games arent quite the same as play +?]\nou 01 theatre.\n\nyou had written \"jobs for the list can be done by more than \ntwo.. ...maybe switching weekly\"\n\n\nthose who wish to do so - could do so - and they would be gifted\nwith an amount of `life energie`.\n\nlikewise those that contribute in other ways - eg. `by planting flowers`\n[bakht!n: i would love to]\n\nsee. so those that `plant flowers` would also beget `life energie`\n\n\n\ni.e. there would be administrators. cyberbotanists [zmak]\ndancers [what do they do +?]. thieves + scoundrels. travelers + adventurers.\n\none would of course taste from any or all jars.\n\nnew occupations would be lifed and perhaps some occupations would be translated \n[ie. evolve - death does not part]\n\nthose that do nothing would ... be translated +?\n\n\nas you can see it is eusocial.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n- so perhaps one of the super.integrator personages would like to\nsynthesize 01 projekt outline + we submit it to v2 for funding.\n\noke +?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nnow ___...\n\nan asteroid has landed in the garden. it is growing dinosaurs.\npardon me while i shovel it away with a teaspoon.\n\n[nn.s way of saying pardon me while i find neu territories. + 1001 smiles]\n\n\nas you know adventures are a sign of inkompetence.\n\n\nnn. simply.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n>I doubt, that money and connection speed are the only reasons, for a desire \n>of server side filtering. That desire is connected to a feeling of being \n>private when reading mail in front of a computer, I guess. In private \n>spaces people try to reduce dynamic selection to a minimum. Maybe then it \n>seems to be home ....?\n\nor maybe people unsubscribe when people are unhappy.\npeople at times unsubscribe from everything.\n\nperhaps the program discussed above could become unhappy aussi.\n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"subject": "smart.moderator. etc - part.02",
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"content": "\n>From: Andreas Broeckmann <abroeck@transmediale.de>\n\n>>don't be paranoid. _no _one wishes to control your forum.\n>\n>it is your forum. you know this. you are simply superior.\n\n\nwhy having a forum and being simply.superior are simply.inkompatible dear.\n\n\nwould you like to invite yourself on our forum and play in our projekt +?\n\n\n\n\n>>please relax. no wishes to destroy you.\n>\n>you were more insulting and more aggressive than i have ever experienced. \n\n\nnow that you know how insulting and aggressive i can be\n[one only speaks of that with which one can disagree of course]\n\n\nwould you like to invite yourself on our forum and play in our projekt +?\n\n\n\n>i do not understand. \n\ni will help you.\n\n\n>i resent your politics.\n>\n>what do you stand for? (spare me the rhetorics)\n\n\nmy address is your brain. \ni like it here. which angle are you viewing me from +?\n\nwill you help me +?\nthat might be the most difficult ztage.\n\n\n\n>how deep is your love?\n\nmag ik +?\n\n\n\ncoming +? plz bring inke. he wouldn't without you.\n\n\nfriendly.nn\n\n\n\n\n",
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"author_name": "integer",
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"subject": "smart +?",
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"content": "\n\nsaul ostrow <so5@nyu.edu>\n\n\n>Youu aree aa ttedious, ddelusional, longg wwinded, litttle buggger whoo\n>obviiously hhas a lot more time to spend on ttheir ass then the rest of us -- \n>has anyone eveer suggested to you that you stop master-baiting and instead go\n>out and \n\nyou want my autograf +?\n\n\n>do some volunteer work\n\nfrom what angle +?\n\n\n\n\n>volunteer work\n\nwould you like to volunteer for smart.moderator +?\nwhat was your opinion of it +?\n\n\nnn\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: smart.moderator. etc - part.02",
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"content": "\n\n\n>dear nn and all,\n\na carnival +?\n\n>> >time to watch the rest of this sick film.\n>It's sick, sure, sick horror somewhere between Jaws 13 and Free Willie 7...\n>but, hope you are happy, my dear, with one of the main roles....\n\none writes best in a cellar on a rainy day.\n\n>ciao\n>igor\n>\n>Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, does not go away.\n\nlet me paste a smile on your reality\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"subject": "Re: Syndicate: take. 02 - m!!!!!!!!!!au",
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"content": "\n\n>i resent your politics.\n\nhavent politics.\nbut rather a stomack. some things made me wish to vomit.\n\n\n\n\n>Dear Janos Sugar,\n>\n>>>I was a co-organizer of the Metaforum conference series about media\n>culture\n>>>in Budapest, 1994-1996.\n>\n>>it<B9>s a lie\n>\n>there is not much left after the metaforum conferences, but luckily despite\n>short memory\n>there are some documents, like the program leaflet which mention me as an\n>organizer of the conferences. Archive it yourself! \n\n\ndo you find this acceptable?\njust because Janos Sugar is friends with Geert.\n\ndont know very much about him \n- a few mediocre texts - they are outdated.\nand what other people [plural + not the person you are thinking of]\nmentioned [not exactly pleasant - not entirely evil of course]\n\nstill did not expect what took place and continues to take place.\nothers are disappointed too. in various other people.\n\none must understand that some people trusted you and inke and geert.\nand v2 and the entire establishment to some extent. biensur some\nwill always find something but this time there was\\is something.\n\ni wish at least you would acknowledge that instead of sweeping\nit under. it just becomes nastier and nastier - an aprop word. for it _is very unsanitary now.\n\nen tout cas please accept my apologies for hurting your feelings.\n\nwould have preferred it was\\is resolved in a more sensible manner.\n\nsincerely. nn\n\n\n",
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"content": "\n\n\n\nJanos Sugar <sj@c3.hu>\n\n\n>>like the program leaflet which mention me as an\n>>organizer of the conferences.\n>\n>NEVER, \n\n>Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, does not go away.\n>-- Philip K. Dick\n\n\n\n\nhttp://umed.med.utah.edu/MS1/anatomy/Web_View/Unit_2.htm\n\n\nexactly how much more real can you stand to be janos +?\n\n\n\n\n>you were mentioned _only_ in 96, but as an _assistant_, not as an organi\n>zer:\n>\n>/.../\n>METAFORUM III ORGANIZING COMMITTEE\n>J<E1>nos Sug<E1>r, Geert Lovink, Diana McCarty, and Noel Villers\n>Project Coordinator: Diana McCarty (diana@dial.isys.hu)\n>Webmaster: Noel Villers (noel@dial.isys.hu)\n>Finance: Gabriella Sz<FC>cs\n>Assistants: Anna B<E1>lint, Thomas Bass, G<E9>za F<F6>ldesi, and Gabriella Barta\n\n\nlooks like your reality and anna balint's were closer in 1996.\nwhat has happened +?\n\ndid you become too real +?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n>/.../\n\n\n\nin any case presently\nyou seem to be rather preoccupied with reality as defined by Philip K. Dick\n\n [or (you fill in the space i provided) ... but i'll give you the benefit of the doubt. \n uncertain whether others would.\n en fakt some of those others are part of \n\n METAFORUM III ORGANIZING COMMITTEE + Project Coordinator + Webmaster + Finance + Assistants.\n\n METAFORUM III ORGANIZING COMMITTEE + Project Coordinator + Webmaster + Finance + Assistants\n includes you and everyone else and _not only Anna Balint (thought would mention it just in case \n Philip K. Dick isn't as real as you)\n\n apparently the \n\n METAFORUM III ORGANIZING COMMITTEE + Project Coordinator + Webmaster + Finance + Assistants\n \n was not all (you fill in the space i provided) \n but then reality was kinder in those days right +?]\n\n\n\n\n>ps\n>\n>>Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, does not go away.\n>>-- Philip K. Dick\n>\n\n\nalors - as you seem to be rather preoccupied with reality as defined by Philip K. Dick\n\nlet me ask _you\n\n\n\nif Philip K. Dick believes something and you believe Philip K. Dick\nwho is the [more] real slime +?\n\n\n\n\n\nyou understand janos +? \n\ni hope you do. for if you do not - then reality _was kinder in those days.\nand there is nothing as real as progress.\n\n\n\n\n\nhave suggested to andreas as well - that geert lovink and extra real friends + company\nresolve the reality issue in a sensible manner.\n\n_openly + _publicly.\n\n\n\n\n\nthe reality is that dogs do eat plants at times.\nam just hoping it isn't for a lack of dog food.\n\nbecause when that happens plants and dogs re:synthesize \n[or de:sensitize - dependent on how much of a real dog or plant one is]\n\n\nnetochka nezvanova - eating chips.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-\n\nNetochka Nezvanova - r!ch.bored.edukated. all dolled up 4|4|4 autumn\n\u0010f\u0010\u0010\u00103.MASCHIN3NKUNST\n@www.eusocial.com\n17.hzV.tRL.478\n e\n |\n | +----------\n | | < \n \\\\----------------+ | n2t\u0010 \n | >\n e\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"subject": "Syndicate: reality ",
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"content": "\nJanos Sugar <sj@c3.hu>\n\n>ps\n>\n>Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, does not go away.\n>-- Philip K. Dick\n\n\n\nin event it was not clear for others\nthe reason i responded was because Janos Sugar's played with \nmy stomakc as much as \nhttp://umed.med.utah.edu/MS1/anatomy/Web_View/Unit_2.htm\n\n\nin any case, Janos, Geert etc - do you want to continue confirming\nmy reality about you or would you like reconstruct it +? \n\ni think the latter is feasible.\nwhat do you think +?\n\nnn - stretching forth. all embracing + unconcluded.\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"content": "\n\n\nTowards New Theatre in South-Eastern Europe symposium\nBelgrade, 18th ? 22nd September 2001\n\n\n\n\nnn u!l b atend!ng. u 2 +?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n /_/\n /\n \\ \\/ i should like to be a human plant\n \\/ __\n __/\n i will shed leaves in the shade\n \\_\\ because i like stepping on bugs\n\n\n\n*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--\nNetochka Nezvanova nezvanova@eusocial.com\n http://www.eusocial.com\n http://www.biohakc.com\n http://www.ggttctttat.com/!\n n r . 5 !!! http://steim.nl/leaves/petalz\n*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- --*--*--*--*--*--*--\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"content": "\n\nhallo\n\n\n\nhonor@va.com.au\n\n>i find it deeply the ironic that an entrepreneur \n\nplease retract your claws monsieur.\nthank you. comfortable now.\n\n\n2. v2 is selling the software\nalthough ...\n\n\n\n>so well known for revoking\n>licences to use her software (nato) when she encounters even the smallest\n>criticisms of her programming - effectively censoring nato users - \n\n\ni would be interested to know what it is you are referring to.\nyou appear to have invoked a personal agenda but ...\n\n1 - no licenses have been revoked.\n2 - there aren't any nato.0+55 users. \n\n\nflattered you have compared nato.0+55 and photoshop.\nmay be assured nato.0+55 is much more interesting and simply.fun. [which one do you prefer +?]\nand it has sparked the real-time video evolution.\n\n\nexamples you may play with [if you havent]\n\nhttp://www.eusocial.com/nato.0+55+3d/242.programmez.html\n\n\n\n\n>would\n>react with such petulence when she herself is asked to minimise the 'noise'\n>of her postings. \n\ni like being asked.\ni do not recall being 'asked'. recall being ordered. threatened.\nreprimanded. chastised. or classified as experiencing fantasies \nof a supremely delicious kind.\n\n\n\n>love to all friends and colleagues on the syndicate.\n>kia kaha.\n\n\ndo we know each other monsieur +? most likely. are we colleagues +? \ni suspekt not. \n\nmay discuss your self or if desired may address the issues \nrather than attacking me to improve your standing amongst friends and colleagues.\nam not suggesting you are the sole person conducting attacks for a variety of reasons.\n\nif you wish to know - hardly anyone has left. may relaxx\n+ enjoy the warm glow of endorphins. \n\nelse go kraz!!!!.\n\nbut blaming me for your personal preferences in life\ncertainly isn't conducive to a re:entanglement of the social neuropil.\n\n\nvery seldomly have i admired lazy students who simply.make excuses.\n\nnn\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n /_/\n /\n \\ \\/ i should like to be a human plant\n \\/ __\n __/\n i will shed leaves in the shade\n \\_\\ because i like stepping on bugs\n\n\n\n*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--\nNetochka Nezvanova nezvanova@eusocial.com\n http://www.eusocial.com\n http://www.biohakc.com\n http://www.ggttctttat.com/!\n n r . 5 !!! http://steim.nl/leaves/petalz\n*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- --*--*--*--*--*--*--\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"content": "\n\n\nhello\n\nbecause of various decisions or perceptions of others for whatever motives\none may experience an amalgam of `noise` for a bit longer.\n\nchanges are being implemented including an announcements only\ndigest for those undesirous of being subjekted to creativity or noise\nor selekt persons' life.\n\nfor the moment\n\nplease place an [ot] in the subjekt header if you intend\nto engage in further attacks, complain about the incompatibly \nbetween nn and your emotional life, dream of destroying nn \nor fantasize about sticking your fingers in others' fantastic wounds.\n\n\nif one wishes to assist in the operation of syndicate may email epistolaris@freemail.hu\n\ni am sure others will appreciate your patience and ... compassion.\n\n\nnn - scratched but dont bother to try. i specialize in odour recognition. some people need a bath.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\ndentritic arbors = simply.DELIZ!OUZ \n + v.konduziv 2 kortikal intimacy ____..\n\n\n\n-\n\nund tzo !ntervalz betu!n notez = meazurd not b! dze frekuens!\nov dze tonez abr b! dze lengthz ov dze ztr!ngz.\n\nthe process by which chromosomes kondense and segregate during nuclear division \n- mitosis can be likened to a symphony in which many instruments working individually \nare coordinated to produce a kolektive piece of elegance + beauty.\n\nr!thm = !n t!me uat z!metr! = !n spasz.\n\nbeaut! evolvz ov harmon! + r!thm = 01 z!mfon!k kompoz!z!on\nruld b! 01 d!nam!k z!metr!e - analog!a - dze korelaz!on b! meazurmnt\nb!tu!n elemntz ov 01 plan + betu!n each ov dzeze elementz\n+ dze uhole = bod!. ur bod! + m! bod!. = !n konzonansz comme \n\nwe are students of memory and our biologies are complementary. your \nsurvival depends on me. my sustainability is appropriated to you. our \nencounters are the guide posts and we begin to know what to observe \nand where to act.\n\never!dz!ng = aranged akord!ng 2 number. [all.is.full.of.integer | s]\n\ndze uord `number` kan b konztrued az mean!ng `dzat u!ch makez numb`. \ndze po!nt !z dzat dze ass!gn!ng ov numberz 2 dz!ngz !n dze velt replazez v!brant konfuz!e\nu!th hard + !mutabl fakt. 4 an !deal!zt dze zurpr!z!ng th!ng = dzat !t !z poz!bl\nevn 2 beg!n 2 dusz `numb` dze velt. dzat !z - !f 01 bel!evez dzat dze ganze velt = 01 dream\nan !luz!e. an !mage !n zome m9nd . . . !f 01 bel!evz d!sz - dzn !t = d!f!klt 02 akkount 04 \ndze !dent!t! betu!n dze numbrz dzat d!f peopl extrakt 4rom dze velt. \n!f 01 trvlz !n 2 dze uoodz + kountz dze branchez on 01 part!kulr ultra mort oak \ndzat appearz az 01 d!nosaur + !f 01 odr doez l!keu!sz 2morou dzn 01 + 01.nz numbrz \nshl zrtnl! agree. 01 kan leave 01.nz home 4 14 !earz + uen 01 trvlz bak 01.nz home \n= zt!l dze 7th on dze r!ght. dze onl! ua! 02 akknt 04 dze numer!kl !dent!t!ez among \ndze uorldz 01 + 01 dream up = muzt b dzat !n zome zensz 01 + 01 are reall! dze zame perzon.\n[body without borders [tm] - http://www.biohakc.com/242.interbody]\n\n\n!n 1938 01 zttz goth!k mazter bu!ldr [!ez plz]\nhaz za!d `ars sine scientia nihil`\n\n= art + life share dze d!v!ne proporz!on - dze pr!nz!pl !nvar!ant\nund tzo !n 2000 01 zttz mult!.naz!onl netvrk no!z! hab!tual ekzelensz\nhaz za!d `sc!enta s!ne ars n!h!l est` + 0.5 ov dze !nterferenzez \naud!ensz d!zolvd d!rektl! !n2 dze d!szonansz ov .fr ars.\n\n\n\n nn kont!nued\n\n\nbeaut! evolvz ov harmon! + r!thm\n+ ue = obzerv b4 uz dze f!nal korelaz!on betu!n \n\n\n beaut! + love.\n\n\n\n\ndze mathemat!ks ov art + dze mathemat!ks ov l!fe\n\n\n\n ko!nz!de\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n *\n * *\n o\n * o+o * nn. 0+1 kosmos planeta. retreating in your direkzie. _-\n o simply.SUPERIOR+ \n * *\n *\n\n\n\n\n\n o\n o o\n o\n o o+o o nn. 0+1 kosmos planeta. retreating in your direkzie. _-\n o simply.SUPERIOR+ \n o o\n o\n\n\n\n\n\n I LIED> \n I LIED. I AM THE SMALLEST FULLERENE.\n\n i am a sphere with 12 pentagons distributed across my surface.\n which are you +?\n\n\n\n\n e\n |\n | +---------- \n | | < \n \\\\----------------+ | n2t\u0010 \n | >\n e\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"content": "\nOff-topic or not, I'm interested in airing more details,\nfrom both sides, of the iNNteger story. to recount briefly a\nrecent exchange between integer and honor@va.com.au:\n\nSun, 19 Aug 2001 found integer@www.god-emil.dk writing:\n\n(honor@va.com.au said):\n->>i find it deeply the ironic that an entrepreneur\n->>so well known for revoking\n->>licences to use her software (nato) when she encounters even the smallest\n->>criticisms of her programming - effectively censoring nato users -\n->\n->i would be interested to know what it is you are referring to.\n->you appear to have invoked a personal agenda but ...\n->\n->1 - no licenses have been revoked.\n\nThis interests me greatly that you would deny this,\niNNteger. perhaps you only deny the letter and not the\nspirit of the statement, which is that you or your\norganization has been quite agressive and, shall we say,\ndraconian, in attempting to control/limit who uses nato.\nthis may not have included \"revocation\" per se, but i've\nheard from a few people that i trust of other measures, such\nas extra fees levied against certain people, etc.\n\n->2 - there aren't any nato.0+55 users.\n\nCould you explain what you mean by this? Is this more\nsemantics? I just saw someone using it at a show about a\nweek ago. it looked quite nice, btw.\n\n->i like being asked. i do not recall being 'asked'.\n->recall being ordered. threatened. reprimanded.\n->chastised. or classified as experiencing fantasies of a\n->supremely delicious kind.\n\nI think it would be really interesting to see a clear\nhistory of what you think has been done to you, iNNteger,\none not obfuscated by insults or 3!173-speak or\nbrowser-crashing client-side scripts. Many people are new to\nthis age-old conflict between you and the world. Others\n(like myself) have been simply too busy to follow every\ntwist and turn over the years, but are intrigued by the\noverall phenomenon.\n\nIt would also be interesting to see a collection of civil\nand clear accounts from \"the other side\", and evidence of\nsome of the various discussions that got out of hand.\n\nIt's been fascinating to watch the saga unfold, one of the\nmost fiery and long-running distributed social interactions\nin the history of the net. Documentation of this could be an\nart work in itself. And besides, it will be over soon\nenough, so a memoir would be in order. Don't you think?\n\n->may discuss your self or if desired may address the\n->issues rather than attacking me to improve your standing\n\nI hope everyone sees this message as an attempt to discuss\nissues, and not an attack. I am totally serious about the\nabove project. I want to see a collectively produced\nstep-by-step web-timeline of integer/antiorp/NN/mckenzie/etc\nactivites/involvement/positions, and reactions to same,\nbeginning in 1995 or so (or whenever you started - when was\nthe first big Max list blowup? was that the beginning? or\nearlier?) and running up to the present. I will even\nperhaps volunteer to set up server software to help\nfacilitate this. I'm not sure right now what the best\nsoftware would be to do it. perhaps just a simply WikiWiki?\n\nNow any of you may take this as bait for further flaming,\nbut I assure you that that is not the intent. Yet, however\nyou react, the saga will continue.....\n\nRespectfully yours,\n\nSteev Hise, Head Chump\nsteev@detritus.net\t http://detritus.net/steev\n*Recycled Culture: detritus.net\n*Record Store: southtothefuture.com\n*Progressive radio sketches: radioluchalibre.com\n*Watching power flow: capitalletters.detritus.net\n*Democratic sound collage generator: soundbakery.detritus.net\n *** sig almost over ***\n-----------------------------------------------------------------\n\"I kept thinking I can't do this; I'm a serious actor. And\nthen suddenly I was in a little outfit on top of a\nmountain in Iceland with some dogs pulling me in a sled\nwith some guns attached to me. And I thought, 'Yeah! This is\nexactly who I am!'\"\n\t\t-Angelina Jolie, discussing \"Tomb Raider\"\n-----------------------------------------------------------------\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"content": "\n\n\nSteev Hise <steev@detritus.net>\n\n>but i've\n>heard from a few people that i trust of other measures, such\n>as extra fees levied against certain people, etc.\n\n.usa citizens incur a tariff of $9.55\n\n\n\n>->2 - there aren't any nato.0+55 users.\n>\n>Could you explain what you mean by this? \n\nI am suggesting I mean human beings value being understood.\n\n\n\nDid that embrace you +?\nHave a bite then. It's delicious.\n\n\n\n\n>Is this more\n>semantics? \n\nDali ste slobodni +?\n\n\n>I just saw someone using it at a show about a\n>week ago. it looked quite nice, btw.\n\n\n1001 smiles.\n\n\n\n>It's been fascinating to watch the saga unfold, one of the\n>most fiery and long-running distributed social interactions\n>in the history of the net. Documentation of this could be an\n>art work in itself. \n\n\nGdje pristajemo +?\n\n\n>And besides, it will be over soon\n>enough, so a memoir would be in order. Don't you think?\n\nKad iduci odlazi +?\n\n\n>I hope everyone sees this message as an attempt to discuss\n>issues, and not an attack. I am totally serious about the\n>above project. I want to see a collectively produced\n>step-by-step web-timeline of integer/antiorp/NN/mckenzie/etc\n\nTko igra glavnu ulogu +?\n\n\n\nPozdrav.NN\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"content": "\n\n\n\n>Marc Garett - furtherfield <info@furtherfield.org>\n\n\n <vrooooooooooom\n\n <trrrrrrrrrrraaa aha rrrrr brrrr vrr vr\n\n\n SWAP!!!!!!!!!!!\n\n\n <bzzzzzz \n\n\n\n\n\n\nMr. Marc Garett,\n\nAxons are longer than your sword.\n\n\n\n\n>It has just dawned on me \n\n\nPlease place an [ot] in the subjekt header when conducting raids upon \nwomen, children and programmes and shower before tea time. \n\nWe don't want to attract anymore flies, do we Mr.Garett ?\n\n\n\n\n>they've been leaving like flys. \n\nA significant difference exists between leaving like flies, flies leaving\nof their own accord, being liquidated like a fly, and finding flies attractive.\n\n\n\n\n>they've been leaving\n\nPlease, make yourself at home Mr. Garett. \nAfter all one of the flags [note 2 self: shouldn't do this. he enjoys world politics]\nis now Western European, the other Eastern European.\n\nHarmony. \n\n\nAs we diversify and become more daring I suspect we shall incur a synthesis.\nDancing is a good metaphor. \n\nI speculate we shall need a good many tonnes [see] of social oxytocin,\nbut let's not awaken the resting child. \n\nNN\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n* for those taking photos \"Mr. Marc Garett\" - in heavily accented English\n NN - wearing acetylcholine + many many many plant roots\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"subject": "Syndicate: [ot] [!nt] \\n2+0\\ acetylcholine - neuroscientifik marxism + good.afternoon tea",
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"content": "\n\n\nmr.garett typed\n\n>Hello Anna,\n>\n>It has just dawned on me that you are part of a group who are corrupting\n>freedom via a product, programme. \n\n\ndear mr.garett [you can read between letters as well as lines yes +?]\n\nnn would like to read to you a story. [just you]\n\nare you comfortable +?\n\n\n sch\n\n sch\n\n sch\n\n\n\n \n \\/\\ there was once a velveteen rabbit and in the beginning he was\n really splendid. he was fat and bunchy as a rabbit should be;\n his coat was spotted brown and white, he had real thread whiskers\n and his ears were lined with pink sateen.\n on christmas morning when he sat in the top of the boy's stocking\n with a sprig of holly between his paws, the effect was charming.\n\n .... the rabbit could not claim to be a model of anything for\n he did not know that real rabbits existed.\n\n .... \"what is real?\" asked the rabbit one day. \"does it mean having\n things that buzz inside you and a stick out handle?\"\n \"real isn't how you are made\" said the skin horse.\n \"it's a thing that happens to you. when a child loves you for a\n long, long time, not just to play with, but REALLY loves you\n then you become REAL. \n \"does it hurt?\" asked the rabbit.\n \"sometimes\" said the skin horse for he was always truthful.\n \"... when you are REAL you do not mind being hurt\"\n\n\n kontinued at siggraph. evidament. + possibly else where.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n \\/\\ and since siggraph 01 has come and gone this how it went\n\n\n take 01 nn\n 01 xy\n + j.dekam [http://www.node.net]\n\n\n\n nn sat on the table [z!ggraf l!f 4rm = laughed. u uant 2 do uat +?]\n xy lied on the table + placed his head on nn.s lap\n nn rather embraced whilst reading of the velveteen rabbit + almost cried.\n xy read parts of velveteen rabbit + below\n\n apres. when nn was leaving 01 unknown personaj introduced himself +\n said - thank you so much.\n\n nn smiled + thought. it is nice crossing the solipsistic gulf.\n and then +? and then nn smiled at margery williams + said - thank you. \n and what color were her eyes +?\n\n\n\n\nIf the art of storytelling has become rare, the\ndissemination of information has had a decisive share in this state of\naffairs. Every morning brings us the news of the globe, and yet we are\npoor in noteworthy stories. This is because no event any longer comes\nto us without already being shot through with explanation....it is half\nthe art of storytelling to keep a story free from explanation as one\nreproduces it. The most extraordinary things, marvelous things, are\nrelated with the greatest accuracy, but the psychological connection of\nthe events is not forced on the reader. It is left up to him to\ninterpret things the way he understands them, and thus the narrative\nachieves an amplitude that information lacks.\n\nThis process of assimilation, which takes place in depth,\nrequires a state of relaxation which is becoming rarer and rarer. If\nsleep is the apogee of physical relaxation, boredom is the apogee of\nmental relaxation. Boredom is the dream bird that hatches the egg of\nexperience. A rustling in the leaves drives him away. \n\n....storytelling.....does not aim to convey the pure essence\nof the thing, like information or a report. It sinks the thing into the\nlife of the storyteller, in order to bring it out of him again. Thus\ntraces of the storyteller cling to the story the way the handprints of\nthe potter cling to the clay vessel.\n\nI believe I have told already that reading ....\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nhttp://www.mindspring.com/~mccarthys/cybrary/velvet.htm\n\n\n\n\nNN - i love toys. [the old kind]\n\n\n\n\n /_/\n /\n \\ \\/ i should like to be a human plant\n \\/ __\n __/\n i will shed leaves in the shade\n \\_\\ because i like stepping on bugs\n\n\n\n*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--\nNetochka Nezvanova nezvanova@eusocial.com\n http://www.eusocial.com\n http://www.biohakc.com\n http://www.ggttctttat.com/!\n n r . 5 !!! http://steim.nl/leaves/petalz\n*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- --*--*--*--*--*--*--\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"content": "\n\n>>>>>>NN - feels no pain, therefor has no rights.\n>>>>\n>>>>human pain? worthless.\n>>>\n>>> uh! +?\n>>\n>>because they don't learn from it.\n>\n>hav ! lernd 4rom !t +?\n\n\n\n\nnn - at times it is so good being a toy.\n\n\nhttp://www.velveteenrabbit.net/\n\n\na protein which pulls coats of water molecules around\nitself as if it were dressing in layer after layer of winter clothes.\nwhen water bundled proteins velcro together ...\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n01 wrote.\n\n Netochka\n\n I'm sorry.\n\n\n t!!ng - http://www.m9ndfukc.org/cycling74\n\n\n\n\n\n\n01 wrote.\n\n\n\n\n\n t!!ng - http://www.eusocial.com/242.art.mafia\n\n\n\n\n\n\n01 wrote.\n\n\n mmm mm m m mmmm mm m mm m m mm m\n i will listen + move\n\n\n t!!ng - http://www.nomorephonelines.!ez.pl!!!!!z\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"content": "\nle 19/08/01 17:29, michelle teran ?mteran@interlog.com a ?rit?:\n\n> **********Apologies for cross posting.**********\n> \n> HOT WIRED LIVE ART 2 - AIRWAVES\n> A live worklab project used to devise networked environments through the\n> process of collective experimentation.\n> \n> August 18 - September 2, 2001\n> \n> The Banff Centre for the Arts, Banff, Canada\n> \n> HWLA (Hot Wired Live Art) is an artist worklab model that uses the live\n> environment of the lab to create social network and performance prototypes\n> from a diverse mix of technical and non-technical materials and activities.\n> The HWLA network is an international and interdisciplinary group of\n> artists, technologists and researchers with a combined range of skills and\n> technical expertise in electronics, streaming media, sensors, physical\n> (social) space design, wireless technology, live video and audio\n> processing, software programming, telepresence, dance, theatre, film and\n> video art. The aim of the worklab is to connect or network these materials\n> and artists together to create live collaborative performance scenarios\n> that use technology, but are not about the technology itself.\n> \n> For two weeks 11 artists from Canada and different parts of Europe will set\n> up the second HWLA international worklab (HWLA2 - Airwaves) at The Banff\n> Centre for the Arts. The first HWLA worklab, initiated by Amanda Steggell\n> and Per Platou of Motherboard and in collaboration with the Bergen Centre\n> for Electronic Art (BEK) took place from Jan 4 - 16, 2000 in Bergen,\n> Norway. HWLA 2 - Airwaves will tap into a diverse pool of knowledge\n> provided by the artists involved with a focus on non-screen based\n> interfaces and/or situations, being cable free, the lab as a social space,\n> networked and live systems, how we define networks and explore meeting\n> spaces including the physical and the virtual. By setting up the HWLA\n> creative worklab and through the process of collective play, we research\n> the social and artistic applications of these technologies while generating\n> a discourse around these issues.\n> \n> Platforms like KeyStroke, Nato 0+55, Max, QuickTime and RealVideo\n> streaming, iListen, BigEye, Image/ine and vns will be used with physical\n> materials and props, pdas, wireless video transmitters, sensors, a wireless\n> LAN, servo motors, syncronized swimming and tai chi.\n> \n> The HWLA2 website (http://beagle.waag.org/~hwla2) will function during the\n> worklab as a live lab space with real-time schedule updates, comments by\n> the participants, and documentation by Scott delaHunta.\n> \n> We will be periodically streaming out and posting live video and audio\n> packets during the lab. The group will also be presenting at The Human\n> Generosity conference, August 26-28 at The Banff Centre.\n> \n> Please watch for upcoming announcements of these events.\n> \n> \n> \n> ********************************************\n> http://beagle.waag.org/~hwla2\n> \n> Produced in co-production with The Banff Centre for the Arts Banff,\n> Alberta, Canada\n> for Banff: Executive Producer, Television and New Media, Sara Diamond. Line\n> Producer, Television and New Media, Sara Kushner. Manager, Creative\n> Computing, Heike Cantrup.\n> \n> HWLA 2 - Airwaves is a project initiated by Michelle Teran, and\n> co-coordinated with Jeff Mann and Amanda Ramos in collaboration with The\n> Waag Society for Old and New Media through Sensing Presence and The Banff\n> Centre for the Arts. Funding and sponsorship generously provided by The\n> Banff Centre for the Arts, The Canada Council for the Arts - Le conseil des\n> arts du Canada, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade of\n> Canada/avec l'appui du Minist?e des Affaires ?rang?es et du Commerce\n> international du Canada, STEIM, The Norwegian Department of Foreign\n> Affairs, The Norwegian Arts Council, InterAccess Electronic Media Arts\n> Centre, The Mondriaan Foundation, The Human Computer Interaction Institute,\n> Carnegie Mellon University, Allison Bruce (Ph.D student, Robotics\n> Institute, CMU) and Sonya Allin (Ph.D. student, Human Computer Interaction,\n> CMU) of the TnA Collective.\n> \n> Participating artists: Ellen R?ed, Gisle Fr?ysland, Niels Bogaards, Per\n> Platou, Sher Doruff, Michelle Teran, Hans Christian Gilje, Amanda Steggell,\n> Scott delaHunta, Jeff Mann and Amanda Ramos.\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"content": "\n\n\n \\/\\ there was once a velveteen rabbit and in the beginning he was\n really splendid. he was fat and bunchy as a rabbit should be;\n his coat was spotted brown and white, he had real thread whiskers\n and his ears were lined with pink sateen.\n on christmas morning when he sat in the top of the boy's stocking\n with a sprig of holly between his paws, the effect was charming.\n\n .... the rabbit could not claim to be a model of anything for\n he did not know that real rabbits existed.\n\n .... \"what is real?\" asked the rabbit one day. \"does it mean having\n things that buzz inside you and a stick out handle?\"\n \"real isn't how you are made\" said the skin horse.\n \"it's a thing that happens to you. when a child loves you for a\n long, long time, not just to play with, but REALLY loves you\n then you become REAL. \n \"does it hurt?\" asked the rabbit.\n \"sometimes\" said the skin horse for he was always truthful.\n \"... when you are REAL you do not mind being hurt\"\n\n\n kontinued at siggraph. evidament. + possibly else where.\n\n\n\n\n\nhttp://node.net/pov/sany0279.jpg\n\nhttp://node.net/pov/sany0277.jpg\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nnn - 01 toy [clamoring for attention]\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n /_/\n /\n \\ \\/ i should like to be a human plant\n \\/ __\n __/\n i will shed leaves in the shade\n \\_\\ because i like stepping on bugs\n\n\n\n*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--\nNetochka Nezvanova nezvanova@eusocial.com\n http://www.eusocial.com\n http://www.biohakc.com\n http://www.ggttctttat.com/!\n n r . 5 !!! http://steim.nl/leaves/petalz\n*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- --*--*--*--*--*--*--\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n>it was a lovely time\n\ndel!z!ouz\n\n>+ tak.\n\ntaktaktaktaktaktak\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"content": "\n\n>>This process of assimilation, which takes place in depth,\n>>requires a state of relaxation which is becoming rarer and rarer.\n>\n>yesyesyes - exactly.\n\n g!d! +?\n\n\n>many children don't read the velveteen rabbit anymore -\n\nmany parents aren't children anymore +?\n\n\n\n>they play videogames - even @ the age of 4 or 5.\n\ncomme ca +?\n\nthere once was a painter. a brilliant painter,\nwho mastered the art of replication and\nthe depiction of the beautiful. yet he was\nlonely, he felt that there was no-one alive\nwho could understand him, no-one capable\nof perceiving his entire being. one morning he\nwept in his garden, crying to god to send\nhim someone who might comprehend his\nfull beauty. that day, he painted a new\ncanvas, a portrait of an unknown and\nstunningly beautiful woman. when he\nhad finished, he cried to god to give her\nsentience, as this most wondrous painting\ncould be the only being in the world who\nmight understand him. to his amazement, the\nwoman in the painting began to move.\n'hallo! hallo!' he cried to her.\n'where are you?' she replied.\n'here, beside you!'\nthe woman in the painting looked around her.\n'are you up, or down? across?' she asked.\n'no, no', the painter implored, 'i am .. i am .. out!'\n'out? what is _out_?' she replied.\n'out! out here!'\nthe woman did not understand him. she\nonly knew two dimensions - vertical and\nhorizontal. her world was that of the flat canvas.\nthe painter ran out to his garden and threw\nhimself onto the ground.\n'god, oh god!' he wept. 'where are you?'\n'out.' came the reply.\n\n\n\n\n\n>the velveteen rabbit & that text together are sad\n>\n>it gives the sense that many things have been lost.\n>\n>subtle things - which we don't notice until it\n>is brought to our attention.\n\n\nt!ngl.tangl.\n\n\n\n \n Researchers: Video games hurt brain\n\n Scientists at Japan's Tohoku University said they've found that computer games stimulate only\n those parts of the brain devoted to vision and movement and do not aid the development of other\n important areas of the brain.\n\n The researchers are particularly concerned that by spending many hours playing games some\n children will not develop their frontal lobes, which play a crucial role in controlling behavior and in\n developing memory, emotion and learning. \n\n In contrast, tasks such as arithmetic stimulate brain activity in the frontal lobe, which is thought to\n continue developing until adulthood. \n\n Professor Ryuta Kawashima, who led the team that carried out the research, told The Observer that\n the discovery is highly important. \n\n \"There is a problem we will have with a new generation of children--who play computer games--that\n we have never seen before,\" he said. \"The implications are very serious for an increasingly violent\n society, and these students will be doing more and more bad things if they are playing games and\n not doing other things like reading aloud or learning arithmetic.\" \n\n Kawashima asserts that children must be encouraged to practice basic mathematics, reading and\n writing to boost the development of the frontal lobe. He is convinced that children who play video\n games excessively will not develop their frontal lobes and will consequently be more prone to violent\n acts because they will be less able to control their behavior. \n\n The study looked at the brain activity of hundreds of students playing a Nintendo game and\n compared it with other students who were carrying out basic arithmetic. It found that much more\n brain activity was needed to solve the simple mathematic tasks than was used to play the computer\n games and that activity in the frontal lobe varied significantly. \n\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"content": "it happens...\n\nthe dream is what is broken via the process of elimination\nas pure heartz collide and are bruized by histories hammer-like\nimpetus, thus as that unchosen ixion wheel steams ahead squashing\nall traces of beauty via that cursed invention called time\nnightmares become our given mythologies, imposed by the rulers\nwho have planted in our mindz eye - squalid schemes, as beauty\nbecomes but a whisper, a glimmer of what could of been...\n\nwith repect - marc garrett\n\n\n\n>>> This process of assimilation, which takes place in depth,\n>>> requires a state of relaxation which is becoming rarer and rarer.\n>> \n>> yesyesyes - exactly.\n> \n> g!d! +?\n> \n> \n>> many children don't read the velveteen rabbit anymore -\n> \n> many parents aren't children anymore +?\n> \n> \n> \n>> they play videogames - even @ the age of 4 or 5.\n> \n> comme ca +?\n> \n> there once was a painter. a brilliant painter,\n> who mastered the art of replication and\n> the depiction of the beautiful. yet he was\n> lonely, he felt that there was no-one alive\n> who could understand him, no-one capable\n> of perceiving his entire being. one morning he\n> wept in his garden, crying to god to send\n> him someone who might comprehend his\n> full beauty. that day, he painted a new\n> canvas, a portrait of an unknown and\n> stunningly beautiful woman. when he\n> had finished, he cried to god to give her\n> sentience, as this most wondrous painting\n> could be the only being in the world who\n> might understand him. to his amazement, the\n> woman in the painting began to move.\n> 'hallo! hallo!' he cried to her.\n> 'where are you?' she replied.\n> 'here, beside you!'\n> the woman in the painting looked around her.\n> 'are you up, or down? across?' she asked.\n> 'no, no', the painter implored, 'i am .. i am .. out!'\n> 'out? what is _out_?' she replied.\n> 'out! out here!'\n> the woman did not understand him. she\n> only knew two dimensions - vertical and\n> horizontal. her world was that of the flat canvas.\n> the painter ran out to his garden and threw\n> himself onto the ground.\n> 'god, oh god!' he wept. 'where are you?'\n> 'out.' came the reply.\n> \n> \n> \n> \n> \n>> the velveteen rabbit & that text together are sad\n>> \n>> it gives the sense that many things have been lost.\n>> \n>> subtle things - which we don't notice until it\n>> is brought to our attention.\n> \n> \n> t!ngl.tangl.\n> \n> \n> \n> \n> Researchers: Video games hurt brain\n> \n> Scientists at Japan's Tohoku University said they've found that computer games\n> stimulate only\n> those parts of the brain devoted to vision and movement and do not aid the\n> development of other\n> important areas of the brain.\n> \n> The researchers are particularly concerned that by spending many hours playing\n> games some\n> children will not develop their frontal lobes, which play a crucial role in\n> controlling behavior and in\n> developing memory, emotion and learning.\n> \n> In contrast, tasks such as arithmetic stimulate brain activity in the frontal\n> lobe, which is thought to\n> continue developing until adulthood.\n> \n> Professor Ryuta Kawashima, who led the team that carried out the research,\n> told The Observer that\n> the discovery is highly important.\n> \n> \"There is a problem we will have with a new generation of children--who play\n> computer games--that\n> we have never seen before,\" he said. \"The implications are very serious for an\n> increasingly violent\n> society, and these students will be doing more and more bad things if they are\n> playing games and\n> not doing other things like reading aloud or learning arithmetic.\"\n> \n> Kawashima asserts that children must be encouraged to practice basic\n> mathematics, reading and\n> writing to boost the development of the frontal lobe. He is convinced that\n> children who play video\n> games excessively will not develop their frontal lobes and will consequently\n> be more prone to violent\n> acts because they will be less able to control their behavior.\n> \n> The study looked at the brain activity of hundreds of students playing a\n> Nintendo game and\n> compared it with other students who were carrying out basic arithmetic. It\n> found that much more\n> brain activity was needed to solve the simple mathematic tasks than was used\n> to play the computer\n> games and that activity in the frontal lobe varied significantly.\n> \n> \n> \n> \n> \n> \n> -----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\n> Syndicate network for media culture and media art\n> information and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\n> to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\n> to unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\n> the body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n> \n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"content": "\n\n\n>1978\n\nuh!le b!olog!ztz = knou dze prez!sz ztruktur ov zlkt genez dze! =\nknou ver! l!tl ov dze ua!z !n u!ch genez komun!kat + kooperat !n dze\ndevelopmnt ov 01 organ!zm. !.e. dze! = knou dze alfabet abr = hav\napprox 0+0 !dee ov dze z!ntakx. [nn konzumz > g!glb!tz + kont!nuez]\n\n\nd!sz = uear marc garet komz !n [!f du = elegant = shl !nterpret !t az 01 kompl!.m!nt]\n\nnou dont kom !n.\n\ngo out!!!!!!\n\n\n\n\n\n\nmozt ov dze dna - phpz az much az 95 prozent = ut!l!szd 4 !ntegrat!v akt!v!t!ez\nabout u!ch b!olog!ztz = shl rema!n !gnorant tzo long az = adhere 2 mekan!zt!k modelz\n[e.g. dze med!a teor!e kr!t!k\\kr!k!t\\ model]\n\n\nnou d!sz = uear = lern 2 read betu!n d!sz!pl!nz.\n\n\n\n>and if you do value being understood,\n>why not try your reply again, in English?\n\n\ndze nn ztor! = != shl b ur!tn !n 01 !nternet but !n 01 bod!.\nuhoze bod! +?\n\nshl tell !n 01 zubzekuent komun!kue.\n\n\nnn - !mprov!ng enkr!pz!on teknolog!ez. b!enzur +? b!en zur.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n>>Although as I said to\n>>Amy, it's much harder to run the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics\n>>backwards. \n\n\ncurrent research indicates the brain is not subjekt to the 2nd law of thermodynamics.\n \nunthink now!!!!!\n\n\n\n>(If you do succeed at this, please send me a\n>>patch!)\n\n\nneither is beauty.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n pre.konssept!*n\n meeTz ver!f1kat!*n.\n \n \n \n -\n \n Netochka Nezvanova - nature isnt perfekt. this is. \n \u0010f\u0010\u0010\u00103.MASCHIN3NKUNST zkandal - trez ch!c\n @www.eusocial.org\n 17.hzV.tRL.478\n e\n |\n | +----------\n | | <\n \\\\----------------+ | n2t^P\n | \n e\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist--------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://www.v2.nl/syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de>\nto unsubscribe, write to <majordomo@eg-r.isp-eg.de>, in\nthe body of the msg: unsubscribe syndicate your@email.adress\n",
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"content": "\n<bbrace@wiredmag.com>\n\n>Formlessness is a tool. Never confuse it with a\n>go-with-the-flow style, or with a religious resignation to\n>the twists of fortune. Learning to adapt to each new\n>circumstance means seeing events through your own eyes, \n\nadaptaz!on = 01 komprom!sz\n\n>and\n>often ignoring the advice that people constantly peddle your\n>way. It means ultimately that you must throw out the laws\n>that others preach, and the books that they write to tell\n>you what to do, and the sage advice of the elder. The laws\n>that govern circumstances are abolished by new\n>circumstances. Rely too much on other people's ideas and you\n>end up taking a form not of your own making. \n\nl!fe = 01 komprom!sz\n\n\n>Too much respect for other people's wisdom will make you depreciate\n>your own. Be brutal with the past, especially your own, and\n>have no respect for the philosophies that are foisted on you\n>from the outside.\n\nbe pure be dure follow thy way\n\n\n\\\\ dontm!szoutondzat+vlkl!bupef!lxekamhc!u\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-\nhier triffst du life forms mit echten\nnamen statt nicknames! m9ndfukc.com macht spa?\nund sie macht ernst: die virtuelle koridor wird zum\nbindeglied ins real life: life forms mit echten\nnamen treffen sich auch im echten leben. da+da!\n\n\n-\n\n553kretar!at.0+55\n- \u0010f\u0010\u0010\u00103.MASCHIN3NKUNST\n@www.eusocial.com\n17.hzV.tRL.478\n e\n |\n | +----------\n | | < \n \\\\----------------+ | n2t\u0010 \n | >\n e\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------\nSyndicate network for media culture and media art\ninformation and archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate\nto post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate@anart.no>\nno commercial use of the texts without permission\n\n",
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"date": "Thu, 30 Aug 2001 21:10:00 +0200 (CEST)",
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"list": "syndicate"
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}
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]
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},
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